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Wal-Mart Stores Inc is mobilizing U.S. store managers to lobby against Democrats in November's presidential election, fearing they will make it easier for workers to unionize, The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.
In recent weeks, thousands of Wal-Mart managers and department heads have been summoned to mandatory meetings at which the retailer stresses the downside for workers if store workers unionize, the paper said.
About a dozen employees who attended meetings in seven states said executives stressed employees would have to pay hefty union dues and get nothing in return, and might have to go on strike without compensation, and warned that unionization could force the company to cut jobs as labor costs rise, the Journal reported.
The Wal-Mart human-resources managers who have run the meetings didn't tell those attending how to vote in the November elections, but made it clear that voting for the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, would be tantamount to inviting unions in, the Journals said.
Wal-Mart could not be reached immediately for a comment.
(Reporting by Purwa Naveen Raman in Bangalore; editing by Jeffrey Benkoe)
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I would be worried if I was Wal-Mart as well.
However im not a big fan of Wal Mart anymore. I think they should sell only products made in the USA. That would help their image out a ton if they started advertising that.
Im tired of funding China's military expansion through the purchase of Chinese products at Wal Mart
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Im tired of funding China's military expansion through the purchase of Chinese products at Wal Mart
and we are funding their gasoline at the pump, which just encourages their consumers to buy more and artificially force prices higher on the world market...
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The workers should be unionized at Wal-Mart... if one company should be the poster boy for unfair labor practices it sure the hell should be them... I wonder what they will do if any of the Managers do not comply with supporting the GOP over the Dems? I hope they fired the managers and then get sued...
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quote:if one company should be the poster boy for unfair labor practices it sure the hell should be them...
RIDICULOUS! What unfair labor practices?
My son, who is in college, works full time (3 days a week) for Walmart loading trucks and makes $16 per hour (good money for manual labor in my opinion). My son-in-law is a Supervisor at a Walmart Distribution Center and does very well. What is unfair about that?
Moreover, why is it that you lefties enjoy freedom of speech but you don't think Walmart should enjoy that freedom also? If Barack Hussein Osama Obama, an overt socialist, would be bad for their business, why can't Walmart say so??? I guess only you lefties are free to speak!
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Moreover, why is it that you lefties enjoy freedom of speech but you don't think Walmart should enjoy that freedom also?
LOL. i didn't see anybody saying this at all...
walmart has done everything in their power to block union formation and not all of it has been legal..
i would not shop at walmart if i had choices, the existence of the walmart in a small town decreases my choices too...
it's really funny that someone claiming to be mature enough to have married and college age kids feels compelled to add the name of the worlds most wanted terrorist to obama's name and call everybody else besides himself leftists...
funny in a bathroom humor kind of way....
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quote:it's really funny that someone claiming to be mature enough to have married and college age kids feels compelled to add the name of the worlds most wanted terrorist to obama's name and call everybody else besides himself leftists...
If elected, Osama Obama will do more damage to the United States than 100 Bin Ladens. Obama wants to topple our entire system in favor of Socialism.
I don't call everyone else leftists - I only call you lefties leftists!
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quote:it's really funny that someone claiming to be mature enough to have married and college age kids feels compelled to add the name of the worlds most wanted terrorist to obama's name and call everybody else besides himself leftists...
If elected, Osama Obama will do more damage to the United States than 100 Bin Ladens. Obama wants to topple our entire system in favor of Socialism.
I don't call everyone else leftists - I only call you lefties leftists!
LOL, Bush already did that...
i'm not even sure that Obama or McCain can fix what Bush did by de-regulating everything by proxy..(looking the other way)
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What Wal-mart is really doing is the same thing employers do all the time is use unemployment as a weapon against employee's.
That is the biggest reason that unions should formed all over the country and give empolyee's fair representation.
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quote:i'm not even sure that Obama or McCain can fix what Bush did by de-regulating everything by proxy..(looking the other way)
I'm sure! Neither Osama Obama nor McPain will fix anything! All they are going to do is make things MUCH WORSE!
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quote:i'm not even sure that Obama or McCain can fix what Bush did by de-regulating everything by proxy..(looking the other way)
I'm sure! Neither Osama Obama nor McPain will fix anything! All they are going to do is make things MUCH WORSE!
i like Mccain. i wish he was my uncle...
obama? he gives good speeches...
when Clinton got elected i was living SE VA... just a few miles from Moyock NC where blackwater is today... i don't think i knew anybody who wasn't in the military, married to it, retired from it or contracting to it...
when Clinton won? i heard so many people say the same stuff about him and socialism that you are saying about Obama... i'm trying to remember if any of it came true.... nah, i don't think it did...
yawn... SSDD
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quote:when Clinton won? i heard so many people say the same stuff about him and socialism that you are saying about Obama... i'm trying to remember if any of it came true.... nah, i don't think it did...
Bill Clinton was not a socialist and I don't recall anyone saying that he was. He was an opportunistic politician. He was a tax and spend politician. As you may recall, he governed based on the latest polls and focus groups and from what I could tell had no real values of his own. Trianglulation was the buzzword for Bill. His only belief was being in power and, of course, in playing with the women.
Hillary on the other hand IS a socialist, although certainly not as bad as Osama Obama. She is all for socialized medicine and believes that it takes the government to manage our lives. Remember her "it takes a village" nonsense?
Osama Obama is a pure socialist. He is VERY DANGEROUS and could easily DESTROY OUR COUNTRY!
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for the sake of argument? let's say Obama has more "socialist" tendencies, he was a community organiser.
in what specific ways (other than health care) do you beleive he is dangerous?
health care is so screwed up anyway... i've been in the VA system, i have had kaiser (sucked) and i have BCBS...
i see huge bills from the doctors and i see the insurance people paying much less...
i personally have had surgeons that want to cut when it isn't needed... in specific? they were dying to release the ulnar nerve entrapment on my left hand, but i'm right handed, the nerve conduction study was not conclusive to any but one doctor ( a surgeon)...
doctors charge whatever they want, and there's no real competiton in the market. in other words? we don't have a free market system now...
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Hah.... I wonder if Wal-Mart would "mobilize against Democrats" if Hill-Bill was the Dem candidate... I doubt it...
If Obama decides to pick Shillary as his running mate, look for Wal-Mart's "anti-democrat" campaign to fade into the shadows.
JMO, of course, NR.
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"What Wal-mart is really doing is the same thing employers do all the time is use unemployment as a weapon against employee's.
That is the biggest reason that unions should formed all over the country and give empolyee's fair representation."
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I have been very surprised that Unions have not gotten a stronghold in the last 15-20 years.
I am not a person that is necesssarily in favor of Unions but i do think they help level out the playing fields in larger companies that feel that only a few should benefit.
I do not even hear of unions trying to organize labor in companies anymore. What's up with that?
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Obama has the support of: Robert Wolf, CEO of UBS America, one of his major Wall Street “bundlers,” responsible for bringing in millions in donations from fellow multi-millionaires to finance what Obama refers to as his “movement.” According to estimates made by the Center for Responsive Politics, 80 percent of the money raised by the Obama campaign last year came from donors affiliated with business, with Wall Street leading the pack. More than half of the money came in the form of donations totaling $2,300 or more.
In addition to Wolf, Obama stays in regular touch with Warren Buffett, the second-wealthiest individual in America, with a net worth of some $52 billion. Among his leading economic advisors is Austan Goolsbee, a University of Chicago professor and prominent advocate of free market policies.
the source? LOL: The World Socialist Web Site... they are complaining that Obama is two faced...
Robert Wolf is the President & Chief Operating Officer for UBS Investment Bank. He also serves as Chairman & CEO for UBS Group for the Americas.
Robert is currently a member of the UBS Group Executive Board. He is also a member of the Group Managing Board and the UBS Investment Bank Executive Committee. Robert served as Global Head of Fixed Income from 2002 – 2004. He joined the firm in 1994 after spending approximately 10 years at Salomon Brothers.
In addition to his roles at UBS, Robert is on the Undergraduate Executive Board of the Wharton School and sits on the Athletics Board of Overseers at the University of Pennsylvania. He is on the Executive Leadership Council for the Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation and was recently honored with Lance Armstrong for his work on cancer research and awareness. He also sits on the Board of Trustees for the Children's Aid Society, the Board of Directors for the Partnership for NYC, the Board of Directors for the National Sports Museum and on the Board of Directors for the Financial Services Round Table. Robert is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and on the Committee Encouraging Corporate Philanthropy and participated on the panel at the inaugural Wall Street Forum for HIV and AIDS alongside former UN Secretary Kofi Annan.
Robert graduated from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania with a B.S. in Economics in 1984. He is married with 2 children and currently resides in Purchase, New York.
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I see the occasional Carpenter's Union local picketing non-union building projects around the metro and outlying areas. Usually it's one or two guys with lawn chairs and signs sitting near the entrance to the jobsites. Kinda sad to see actually, but maybe it helps?
I think Unions can be helpful, if done properly. But they have essentially eviscerated our Automotive and Airline industries IMO.
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"think Unions can be helpful, if done properly. But they have essentially eviscerated our Automotive and Airline industries IMO."
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It like a cycle between big business and unions, except in recent years the union side of the cycle seems to have ended.
One gets the power and kind of abuses it, not really thinking of the other then the other gets control and and goes the other way.
The worker is in the middle trying to scrap out a living.
The problem right now is that big business has control of the game without much of any repercussions except going under which again the worker losses through no fault of his own except for a few at the upper end.
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One of my friends had a really good job in a bodyshop.
This guy made aboit 70,000 a year not bad for for a highschool drop out. He was let go and replaced witha guy that did his job for 36,000 a year.
They day he was let go came without a warning they called him in the office there was three managers and him he had nobody at all his word against three not right as far as I am concerned.
Lucky for him he was though and refused to sign anything or say any thing. And i don't blame him that was the smart thing to do. Happy ending he got a better job.
It was sure amazing to me what they exspected him to sign and what they wanted.
In a union shop you would have a a union rep with you during termination
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Bond006 i had that happen to me and this company was on the big board.
They did the same thing and wanted me to sign a confidentiality agreement at the end of my employment.
I refused and they threatened me by saying they would not pay me if i did not sign. I laughed said good luck and walked out the door.
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: I tell where unions are really good.
One of my friends had a really good job in a bodyshop.
This guy made aboit 70,000 a year not bad for for a highschool drop out. He was let go and replaced witha guy that did his job for 36,000 a year.
They day he was let go came without a warning they called him in the office there was three managers and him he had nobody at all his word against three not right as far as I am concerned.
Lucky for him he was though and refused to sign anything or say any thing. And i don't blame him that was the smart thing to do. Happy ending he got a better job.
It was sure amazing to me what they exspected him to sign and what they wanted.
In a union shop you would have a a union rep with you during termination
Thats a prime example of what I was referring to as far as Unions. Fair wages are one thing, but a high school dropout cashing in 70k a year for minimal Union approved work is the problem. They ask for too much and it destroys the company, then the company goes bankrupt, guess what, their all unemployed. There has to be a balance. Trying to suck blood from a turnip just doesn't work!
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"Thats a prime example of what I was referring to as far as Unions. Fair wages are one thing, but a high school dropout cashing in 70k a year for minimal Union approved work is the problem. They ask for too much and it destroys the company, then the company goes bankrupt, guess what, their all unemployed. There has to be a balance. Trying to suck blood from a turnip just doesn't work!"
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That is the other side of the coin but i think that that has become more of an exception to the rule these days except with upper management.
Some companies are using this excuse for their failures.
It's funny how when they use this for an excuse to downsize yet they never bring up their own salaries or they buds(at the upper end) that are sucking the blood out of these large corporations.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Quote Pagan:
"Thats a prime example of what I was referring to as far as Unions. Fair wages are one thing, but a high school dropout cashing in 70k a year for minimal Union approved work is the problem. They ask for too much and it destroys the company, then the company goes bankrupt, guess what, their all unemployed. There has to be a balance. Trying to suck blood from a turnip just doesn't work!"
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That is the other side of the coin but i think that that has become more of an exception to the rule these days except with upper management.
Some companies are using this excuse for their failures.
It's funny how when they use this for an excuse to downsize yet they never bring up their own salaries or they buds(at the upper end) that are sucking the blood out of these large corporations.
Well if you actually watch and/or read the news, there is a huge bulk of ""white collar" jobs that are getting cut. My point is that everyone is affected by this. IMO, Unions should pull back and re-evaluate their positions.
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Unions are obsolete. When the United States was basically a market to itself, then unions could extort companies with the threat of a strike. They were quite successful in getting higher wages and benefits - to the point of destroying many industries. However, with a world market and globalization, workers here must compete with workers in other countries. We know the end result - outageously high wages here are not competitive with lower wages overseas and therefore businesses simply choose to move their operations overseas. Perfectly understandable and proper! The purpose of a business is to MAKE MONEY, not to provide jobs.
Here in Ohio, the idiot unions are trying to put an issue on the November ballot that will REQUIRE businesses to give employees a certain number of sick days each year. Our Democrat Governor Strickland (who is doing an EXCELLENT JOB), is trying to stop this ballot issue or modify it because he knows that it will make Ohio less competitive. These union wackos just don't get it! They ask for ridiculous things and then wonder why their jobs move elsewhere! Go figure!
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Unions are obsolete. When the United States was basically a market to itself, then unions could extort companies with the threat of a strike. They were quite successful in getting higher wages and benefits - to the point of destroying many industries. However, with a world market and globalization, workers here must compete with workers in other countries. We know the end result - outageously high wages here are not competitive with lower wages overseas and therefore businesses simply choose to move their operations overseas. Perfectly understandable and proper! The purpose of a business is to MAKE MONEY, not to provide jobs.
Here in Ohio, the idiot unions are trying to put an issue on the November ballot that will REQUIRE businesses to give employees a certain number of sick days each year. Our Democrat Governor Strickland (who is doing an EXCELLENT JOB), is trying to stop this ballot issue or modify it because he knows that it will make Ohio less competitive. These union wackos just don't get it! They ask for ridiculous things and then wonder why their jobs move elsewhere! Go figure!
You do realize your are an fffffffffffing moron. You have no clue. Your not a property owner, your some 11 year old kid getting a rise out of MB posters for some bizarre reason. Your are clueless and ignorant on most things. Shut up and go away. You game is over. If TEX was here, this retarded crap would be gone. You de-file him by your sickening presence on this board!!!!!!
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PM that is crazy talk simply put laws are made in reaction to criminal acts or acts that are unjust.
In other words laws are reactive they are not made because something might happen in the future.
We have child labor laws today why. Because children were worked to death.
We have a 40 hour work week with over time for anything over.Why because people were being worked to death.
We have dicrimination laws in the work place. Why? Because there was dicrimination
I could go on for two pages.
But look at the history of the country greed runs corpoate America and everytime the are not regulated they steal and put the country in the mess we are now in.
The business class really aren't Americans they are parasites that sap the wealth out of the country and send it over seas.
And this brings up a question are you really an American you sound like a person that came here to make his wealth and then leave and lord it over the folks back home another words you do both places no good.
I think Jordan is right you are a slum lord and A moral
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quote:Originally posted by Pagan: I see the occasional Carpenter's Union local picketing non-union building projects around the metro and outlying areas. Usually it's one or two guys with lawn chairs and signs sitting near the entrance to the jobsites. Kinda sad to see actually, but maybe it helps?
I think Unions can be helpful, if done properly. But they have essentially eviscerated our Automotive and Airline industries IMO.
Simply....NOT TRUE
Labor costs are a very small portion of what it costs to build an automobile.
Here is a fact...
The last plant I worked at was the Orion Assembly plant in Lake Orion, MI. We were building the Pontiac G6 and the Malibu when I left.
There were 1000 employees per shift including assemblers, skilled trades, maintenance, sanitation, and materials. We were building 500 cars per shift at an average sticker price of $22,000.00
Now lets do some math...
Hourly wage was $26.00 per hour plus benefits which works out to about $50.00 per hour per employee. At $50.00 and hour that comes to $400,000.00 per shift for labor.
Now multiply 500 cars at an average price of $22,000.00 and you come up with a gross of $11,000,000.00 per shift
Those ARE the facts....
Oh and by the way....there was damn near 1 white collar worker for every 2 blue collar workers when I retired in 2006
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I guess I messed up it was a non Union place he was an estimator and worked on commisson.
If it was a union place it would have never been three to one a union rep would have been in there to back him up.
He has a good following really knows his work and makes better at a different bodyshop.
the Dealership wanted a letter of resignation from him I would have told them to go to hell but he said and did nothing
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"Well if you actually watch and/or read the news, there is a huge bulk of ""white collar" jobs that are getting cut. My point is that everyone is affected by this. IMO, Unions should pull back and re-evaluate their positions."
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I know what your saying Pagan i agree to some degree.
As far as the big money white collar worker being effected the same as others not true unless his or her lifestyle has gotten way out of hand.
I have been at both ends of the stick(employer and employee) and i still believe you pay a worker what their worth to a company no matter what their education and background are.
This worth is calculated in many ways.
The problem today is that to many companies do not have the long term growth of a company in mind when they hand out these high wages to a few.
If these upper white collar workers were the ones that had really built these companies i feel their decisions would be a lot different.
But that is what today's business is all about in general and until it changes more and more companies will fail, it just happens much faster in bad economic times.
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