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"Correct me if I'm wrong, Bdgee, but doesn't the Hindu\Budhist\Communist cultures of Asia also frown upon our 'decadence?' Numerically(at least if one is considering population), they outnumber us by far. If so, then trying to achieve a global position on obscenity must take that into account I would think. "
Consider yourself corrected. That is a stretch I'm certainly not surprised to see coming from you.
Yes, they are different from us. But just because you want to find them (or anyone else that isn't a rich fanatic far right-wing white republican male) subhuman doesn't warrant a belief that they would act similarly with respect to us.
Mostly, they concern themselves with the normal activities and thoughts necessary to wind through the local scenery of day to day life and spend, essentially, no time or energy worrying or wishing for an opportunity to look and see if you are enjoying non-missionary playtime in the back office with your secretary.
"I actually agree with Islam on many points, Bdgee. Not most of the radical ideas that have been used to paint it as evil of course, but much good can be found in it as well."
Ahhh, but it was one of the radical ones you jumped aboard.
I haven't seen many of their radical and extreme views that are much different in substance from almost all of your views, which is hardly surprising, as both varieties of extreme radical views are dependent on contempt of anyone not of your own kind. Snobbery and bigotry are normal in the socially intolerant.
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Since when is referring to people as wacko liberals and demeaning them with that obnoxious and arrogant right-wing slander you are so fond of passing around even an attempt at being polite?
Don't accuse others of your habits.
You are a victim of the atmosphere you created.
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Since when is referring to people as wacko liberals and demeaning them with that obnoxious and arrogant right-wing slander you are so fond of passing around even an attempt at being polite?
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Yet again I present you with the same request, Bdgee...
Quote me.
On any topic, any thread, any time...that I've used the term 'wacko liberal'. Show me some of that 'arrogant right-wing slander' that I've posted.
Quote me.
Don't accuse others of your habits.
I rarely accuse; and when I do I make sure to post something to back it up. You should try it.
You are a victim of the atmosphere you created.
Good to know you're not trying to justify bad behavior with other's bad behavior (real or imagined)...Oh, wait...never mind...
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You read just about any of your post and you can see the arrogant insulting rhetoric you are addicted to.
I assume you are claiming to not recognize it. So, am I supposed to be surprised that you don't even know what you are doing? Nope, it is just more of the arrogance.
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Correct me if I'm wrong, Bdgee, but doesn't the Hindu\Budhist\Communist cultures of Asia also frown upon our 'decadence?'
I don't know about that considering where the Kama Sutra came from lol And just because publicly they say we are decadent and/or frown upon it... privately these same societies are the more perverted ones because of their culture or gov't suppression of such things... Ever been to thailand?.. Not much frowning upon about sex in that country though publicly the powers that be denounce such things...
Again, once you start censorship of one industry ,that imo adults have a right to see, read or hear, it leads to censorship of the mainstream down the road. Case in point is The Catcher in the Rye. It is rather tame compared to writings of nowadays yet conservatives to this day are still trying to get it banned/censored.
It's rather sad when in this day and age Conservatives are taking away our right to free thought that we put on paper with pen. Also rather sad that we are told what we can or can't see in the privacy of our homes of a "ADULT" nature that is strictly for adults... Afterall I find the Bible and other publications in our society obscene but I would never take away your right to view or read them... here's a case in point when Censorship of one thing may leads to censorship other things down the road:
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It's rather sad when in this day and age Conservatives are taking away our right to free thought that we put on paper with pen. Also rather sad that we are told what we can or can't see in the privacy of our homes of a "ADULT" nature that is strictly for adults... Afterall I find the Bible and other publications in our society obscene but I would never take away your right to view or read them... here's a case in point when Censorship of one thing may leads to censorship other things down the road:
It's all a matter of priorities I guess. Conservatives hold that 'obscene' material is dangerous (morally) and thus seek to combat it despite others' interpretation of the 1st amendment. Notice in our previous conversation on this thread about how the Supreme Court upheld that the 1st amendment is not absolute. In the same vein, the 2nd amendment has had many challenges that have gone to the Supreme Court as well. The Heller vs. DC ruling is just as relevant in that there are groups in the country that believe that the 2nd amendment isn't absolute either. Thus these groups try and limit our right to keep and bear arms. Same thing, different cause. They truly believe that the guns are dangerous in common citizens' hands and thus seek to curb it accordingly.
It's all about perspective on what is 'safe' and ok from the majority.
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It's all a matter of priorities I guess. Conservatives hold that 'obscene' material is dangerous (morally) and thus seek to combat it despite others' interpretation of the 1st amendment. Notice in our previous conversation on this thread about how the Supreme Court upheld that the 1st amendment is not absolute. In the same vein, the 2nd amendment has had many challenges that have gone to the Supreme Court as well. The Heller vs. DC ruling is just as relevant in that there are groups in the country that believe that the 2nd amendment isn't absolute either. Thus these groups try and limit our right to keep and bear arms. Same thing, different cause. They truly believe that the guns are dangerous in common citizens' hands and thus seek to curb it accordingly.
don't you see the hypocrisy of both views?
of course guns are dangerous, that's the point.
as for "moral dangers" isn't God's "compact" about choosing "his way" ? if you are forced to follow Him? you have made NO CHOICE. therefore it's worthless.
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i meant more like not allowing us as adults to make our own decision to read/watch something and treating us like children... "protecting" children from viewing such things is just a BS excuse as you say to "legislate morality"... free will is advocated in the Bible but yet these bible thumpers of today do not want us to have free will to decide for ourselves so that is why I said about throwing it into the gutter...
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1. Sports fans do their homework. They know the statistics of the players and teams are deeply involved in analyzing strategies and tactics on the playing filed.
The same cannot be said about most voters. Half of them do not even know the name of their member of Congress. Half of them do not even come to the game on Election Day to register their opinion
2. Fans hold the hierarchy responsible from the players to referees (umpires), to the coaches, managers and owners.
Voters, on the other hand, have allowed top down forms of no-fault government. This is true even when votes are not properly counted or elections are stolen. Presidents, Governors and Senators, Representatives are rarely held accountable for their most series boondoggles, failures or wrongheaded policies. Smiles and rhetoric go a long way on the likeability index in contrast to studying their actual voting records. Voting records recede into the dark mists while the propaganda materials of the politicians shine in the bright lights.
3. Fans analyze reasons for defeat or victory not just on what happened in the ninth inning or in the last two minutes of the final quarter. They understand that the seeds of winning or losing are planted throughout the game
Voters just look at the final voting count at the end of Election Day. As a result, they miss the dynamics before elections to understand what were the influential factors. Focusing on the latter had led some scholars to conclude that Al Gore cost me more votes than I cost Al Gore in the 2000 election
4. Fans evaluate the dual performance of the teams offensive and defensive.
5. Fans understand that chronically losing teams need different players and managers.
Voters, many of whom are on automatic because they are hereditary Republicans or hereditary Democrats, seem resigned to the same field year after year. After ten years of losses to the Republicans at the local, state and federal level, Democratic voters still meekly go to the polls sensing they are voting for the least worst choices. Instead of asking "why not the best?" voters too often appear resigned, not demanding a new game plan, new players and managers.
6. Sports fans complain loudly, and engage in robust arguments with opposing fans. They have a long memory.
One thing is for certain. If fans were as serious about politics as they are about sports they, as taxpayers, would not be paying for stadiums and arenas that should be paid for by private capitalists and the wealthy owners of professional sports teams.
Written by a man with some rather good views, Ralph Nader
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MPR tried to start a Fantasy Politics League completely premised off the above notion CCM.
The thought was that in playing the game folks would learn the rules of politics and it would engage the public more.
Problem is it hard to create a points system for what they do, it's still too complicated. Only the die-hards who are already involved in politics were signing up. In fact...I don't think MPR is still active with their league.
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