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i read this and found it interesting. i know this winter 'round these parts were cold and we got lots more snow, in fact locals are worried about the spring melt flooding the towns because we have so much mountain snow.
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Don't worry turbo, the wacko leftists saw this coming. That's why they changed their "global warming" predictions to "climate change". With "climate change", they can blame humans regardless of what the weather does. In fact, I'm predicting here and now that the wackos will change their terminology again to "climate change and/or climate stagnation". That way, Up, Down, or Sideways - they're covered!
Even if all this climate stuff turns out to be solar activity, the wackos will claim that it's man's fault!
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p.s. If you're pretty sure about this ice age stuff Turbo, I'm going to get a new snowboard!
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no no no PM, The new term was discussed last month at the wacko leftist convention (WLC for short) and we decided that to be more modern we are going to call it 'Global Stagflation'!
An ice age will happen TK. When the pendulum starts swinging it goes to both sides of the spectrum before it comes to rest. A warming trend 'globally' will happen first but there will be areas of the globe that see an increase in extreme weather(i.e. increased snowfall, arctic blasts, severe thunderstorms) as well during this time. The warming trend is what will eventually become the catalyst for the next ice age.
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quote:Only a few looney right wing think tanks and odd balls still don't believe
Apparently not, did you read the links provided by turbokid?
Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age
Lorne Gunter, National Post Published: Monday, February 25, 2008
Lorne Gunter is now ****ging at Full Comment, the online home of the National Post editorial board. You can read all his entries here. Please update your bookmarks accordingly.
sorry prop Man, you are trying to "pit" a ****ger against PhD's... grow up.
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I do say the weather ways of the last 6 months have been curious to say the least. It will be interesting to see what summer brings.
I am not above admitting that if solar levels decline it could have a larger affect in our climatology than man made pollutants. Same thing if the Super Volcano were to blow at Yellowstone.
But I am not prepared to say that one winter equals and trend reversal. It could just be that this is a taste of the dramatic swings in temp that we have to look forward to in the future since we have unbalanced global systems with our need for fossil fuels.
P.S. I don't know that they have correctly accounted for wind in their systems but I am glad to read that they are taking it more seriously. It is a hard force to predict and I think it plays a more important role than they have been willing to admit in the past.
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the temperatures on the ground do not matter.
here's where the temps matter:
The thermosphere, named from the Greek θερμός (thermos) for heat, begins about 80 km above the earth. At these high altitudes, the residual atmospheric gases sort into strata according to molecular mass (see turbosphere). Thermospheric temperatures increase with altitude due to absorption of highly energetic solar radiation by the small amount of residual oxygen still present. Temperatures are highly dependent on solar activity, and can rise to 2,000°C. Radiation causes the air particles in this layer to become electrically charged (see ionosphere), enabling radio waves to bounce off and be received beyond the horizon. At the exosphere, beginning at 500 to 1,000km above the earth's surface, the atmosphere blends into space.
The mesosphere (from the Greek words mesos = middle and sphaira = ball) is the layer of the Earth's atmosphere that is directly above the stratosphere and directly below the thermosphere. The mesosphere is located from about 50 km to 80-90 km altitude above Earth's surface. Within this layer, temperature decreases with increasing altitude.[1] The main dynamical features in this region are atmospheric tides, internal atmospheric gravity waves (usually just called "gravity waves") and planetary waves. Most of these waves and tides are excited in the troposphere and lower stratosphere and propagate upward to the mesosphere. In the mesosphere, gravity-wave amplitudes can become so large that the waves become unstable and dissipate. This dissipation deposits momentum into the mesosphere and largely drives its global circulation.
The stratosphere is layered in temperature because it is heated from above by absorption of ultraviolet radiation from the Sun. Within this layer, temperature increases as altitude increases (see temperature inversion); the top of the stratosphere has a temperature of about 270 K (−3°C or 26.6°F), just slightly below the freezing point of water. This top is called the stratopause, above which temperature again decreases with height. The vertical stratification, with warmer layers above and cooler layers below, makes the stratosphere dynamically stable: there is no regular convection and associated turbulence in this part of the atmosphere. The heating is caused by an ozone layer that absorbs solar ultraviolet radiation, heating the upper layers of the stratosphere. The base of the stratosphere occurs where heating by conduction from above and heating by convection from below (through the troposphere) balance out; hence, the stratosphere begins at lower altitudes near the poles due to the lower ground temperature there.
The troposphere is the lowest portion of Earth's atmosphere. It contains approximately 75% of the atmosphere's mass and almost all of its water vapor and aerosols.
The average depth of the troposphere is about 11 km (7 miles) in the middle latitudes. It is deeper in the tropical regions (up to 20 km (12 miles)) and shallower near the poles (about 7 km (4 miles) in summer, indistinct in winter). The lowest part of the troposphere, where friction with the Earth's surface influences air flow, is the planetary boundary layer. This layer is typically a few hundred meters to 2 km (1.2 miles) deep depending on the landform and time of day. The border between the troposphere and stratosphere, called the tropopause, is a temperature inversion.[1]
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quote:this dramatic drop and bad weather is a sign that the rate of change may be increasing dramatically
The truth is that this drop in temperature may or may not mean anything. Even if there were convincing evidence that global warming was just a big mistake and that the sun is actually causing any change in weather, the wacko left is going to fight it. They've already made a stand that man is the root of all evil with respect to the environment and they won't change that easily.
If we believe the scientists, the earth has been warmer and colder than it is now. I've seen programs on the discovery channel (and others) that claim the transition from a warm climate to the little ice age may have occurred in only a few years.
Here's a little secret: the climate is ALWAYS CHANGING! Live with it!
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Man is the root of all evil as evil is a man made concept. Philosophy 101.
And man is responsible for crazy amounts of ecological damage. Go down and tour the hypoxic waters of the Gulf of Mexico where the Mississippi drains.
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Ya wanna know why the industry wants to irradiate your beef PM?
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I like all the easy access remotes stuck to the wall, I can NEVER find mine...
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I don't know . My rememberance of ice fishing with my father was that we froze, and all my father would let us bring was a piece of cardboard so we didn't stick to the ice. It was always a good time though.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: I don't know . My rememberance of ice fishing with my father was that we froze, and all my father would let us bring was a piece of cardboard so we didn't stick to the ice. It was always a good time though.
Lock, one of the "un-spoken" rules of ice fishin is, keep your pants on when sitting on the ice, keeps you from sticking
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quote:this dramatic drop and bad weather is a sign that the rate of change may be increasing dramatically
The truth is that this drop in temperature may or may not mean anything. Even if there were convincing evidence that global warming was just a big mistake and that the sun is actually causing any change in weather, the wacko left is going to fight it. They've already made a stand that man is the root of all evil with respect to the environment and they won't change that easily.
If we believe the scientists, the earth has been warmer and colder than it is now. I've seen programs on the discovery channel (and others) that claim the transition from a warm climate to the little ice age may have occurred in only a few years.
Here's a little secret: the climate is ALWAYS CHANGING! Live with it!
Humans will destroy the planet! Some say we our close or already at unsustainable human population.
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There's an article in the newspaper today that says NASA scientists have determined that the artic ice coverage is about back to normal. So much for global warming!
Does anyone feel silly that they were duped by the Al (I invented the internet) Gore and his socialist clan. This entire thing was about creating a panic for the purpose of promoting global socialism - it had nothing to do with the weather.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: I don't know . My rememberance of ice fishing with my father was that we froze, and all my father would let us bring was a piece of cardboard so we didn't stick to the ice. It was always a good time though.
Lock, one of the "un-spoken" rules of ice fishin is, keep your pants on when sitting on the ice, keeps you from sticking
lol, Oh we kept our pants on for sure, the cardboard was also used to push each other around. My early childhood was spent up in your neck of the woods, Fridley, MN. Can't think of a better place to grow up.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: There's an article in the newspaper today that says NASA scientists have determined that the artic ice coverage is about back to normal. So much for global warming!
Does anyone feel silly that they were duped by the Al (I invented the internet) Gore and his socialist clan. This entire thing was about creating a panic for the purpose of promoting global socialism - it had nothing to do with the weather.
global socialism eh? I can think of at least 6 new industries that have popped up due to global warming and only one of them is subsidized. And that one is only popular because it uses #2 corn which our agricultural system has been promoting to the detriment of our farmers and livestock for 50 years now.
Fat Lady hasn't sung on this one yet PM. Be patient. You will see.
Glass, where did you come up with that cup of ice analogy earlier in the thread? That was good!
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: There's an article in the newspaper today that says NASA scientists have determined that the artic ice coverage is about back to normal. So much for global warming!
Does anyone feel silly that they were duped by the Al (I invented the internet) Gore and his socialist clan. This entire thing was about creating a panic for the purpose of promoting global socialism - it had nothing to do with the weather.
you mean this article?
3/5/2008 7:51:00 AM Email this article • Print this article More on global warming debate BILL STEIGERWALD Cagle Cartoon columnist
You’ve no doubt seen the stories about strange snowfalls in Saudi Arabia. A brutal winter in China. The heaviest snow cover in North America, Siberia and elsewhere since 1966.
And if you are a vigilant observer of the global warming debate, you know how inconveniently cold it is in the Arctic this winter for Al Gore and his army of climate alarmists.
But how cold is it, Johnny?
Well, NASA says recent satellite images show that the allegedly endangered polar ice cap — which will melt completely one of these summers and kill off all the polar bears if we don’t slash our greedy carbon footprints and revert to the lifestyles of medieval peasants — has recovered to near normal coverage levels.
are you so blind you can't even read who wrote it? LOL....
futhermore? it says:
That’s what Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, told Canada’s CBC News — the Canadian government’s version of NPR/PBS — on Feb. 12.
As far as Google’s search engine knows, Comiso’s comforting report has appeared nowhere but in Canada.
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President Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic is scheduled to speak Tuesday. Klaus, who knows what it is to live under a mindless tyranny, thinks he knows the motives of warm-mongers like Gore. He sees an eerie similarity between communism and what he calls the global warming "religion."
In the June 14 Financial Times he wrote: "As someone who lived under communism for most of his life, I feel obliged to say that I see the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity now in ambitious environmentalism, not communism. This ideology wants to replace the free and spontaneous evolution of mankind by a sort of central (now global) planning."
If Marx and Lenin were alive today, they'd be environmentalists
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the only Scientific comment i can find mentioning the actual condition of the arctic ice is that it is 10 to 20 centimeters thicker than LAST winter... which is due to snowing...
quote:As far as Google’s search engine knows, Comiso’s comforting report has appeared nowhere but in Canada.
You don't expect the wacko left media in the United States to cover that, do you? That is blasphemy in the U.S.!
quote:As someone who lived under communism for most of his life, I feel obliged to say that I see the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity now in ambitious environmentalism, not communism. This ideology wants to replace the free and spontaneous evolution of mankind by a sort of central (now global) planning."
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