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CLARKSBURG, W. Va. - The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a project that would give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the United States and abroad.

Digital images of faces, fingerprints and palm patterns are already flowing into FBI systems in a climate-controlled, secure basement here. Next month, the FBI intends to award a 10-year contract that would significantly expand the amount and kinds of biometric information it receives. And in the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the world will be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars and perhaps even the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes and identify criminals and terrorists. The FBI will also retain, upon request by employers, the fingerprints of employees who have undergone criminal background checks so the employers can be notified if employees have brushes with the law.

"Bigger. Faster. Better. That's the bottom line," said Thomas E. Bush III, assistant director of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division, which operates the database from its headquarters in the Appalachian foothills...

the story continues on... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22366208/

Man, that sounds like some futuristic stuff.
Something like that, you can only hope it's used for good and not evil...

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Unfortunately we all know it won't be.
Freedom is vanishing not to screams of horror but to eager applause.

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http://hsgac.senate.gov/_files/BushTestimony.pdf

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U.S. and Britain: “Endemic Surveillance Societies”

Kurt Nimmo
Truth News
Tuesday, January 1, 2008

According to Privacy International, a human rights group an watchdog on surveillance and privacy, Britain and the United States are in the lowest category when it comes to privacy and government snooping. “Greece, Romania and Canada had the best privacy records of 47 countries surveyed by Privacy International, which is based in London. Malaysia, Russia and China were ranked worst,” reports the Associated Press.

Simon Davies, director of Privacy International, said the “general trend is that privacy is being extinguished in country after country” and even “those countries where we expected ongoing strong privacy protection, like Germany and Canada, are sinking into the mire… The last five years has seen a litany of surveillance initiatives.”

In the United States, nothing had changed after the Democrats gained control of Congress. “We would expect the cancellation of some programs, the review of others, but this hasn’t occurred,” Davies said.
Of course not, because the Democrats take their orders from the same global control freaks as the Republicans. It should come as no surprise even the holdouts, Canada and Germany, are beginning to implement “surveillance initiatives,” as the idea is a worldwide control grid with no nation excluded. The report indicates “privacy protection was worsening across Western Europe, although it was improving in the former Communist states of Eastern Europe,” the latter once known as rigid surveillance societies.

“The fact is that the modern implementation of the prison planet has far surpassed even Orwell’s 1984 and the only difference between our society and those fictionalized by Huxley, Orwell and others, is that the advertising techniques used to package the propaganda are a little more sophisticated on the surface,” writes Paul Joseph Watson. “Yet just a quick glance behind the curtain reveals that the age old tactics of manipulation of fear and manufactured consensus are still being used to force humanity into accepting the terms of its own imprisonment and in turn policing others within the prison without bars.”

The Privacy International report would have us believe a “concern about terrorism, immigration and border security was driving the spread of identity and fingerprinting systems, often without regard to individual privacy,” when in fact these are nothing short of a manufactured pretense, part and parcel of “the age old tactics of manipulation of fear and manufactured consensus,” as Watson indicates.

“People shouldn’t feel despondent about the results,” Davies of Privacy International said. “Our view is that privacy-friendly systems will emerge in coming years and that consumers will soon begin to see privacy as a political issue.”

Sadly, this is wishful thinking, as government increasingly moves toward the ultimate intrusion — surveiling and monitoring our very physiology with biometrics and, as in the case of the Mexican government, tracking humanity like cattle with biochip technology.

Our rulers are determined to impose a scientific dictatorship on the masses and this begins with surveillance and tracking. “This is the prison without bars. This is the panopticon, a prison so constructed that the inspector can see each of the prisoners at all times, without being seen. This is a portrait of the accelerating movement by western governments to erect giant, powerful, all-pervading mass surveillance, tracking and control grids that will keep all populations firmly under the baleful and watchful gaze of Big Brother,” writes Watson. “Orwell’s 1984 was a picnic in comparison to the wielding cogs of the prison planet infrastructure that are being put in place all around us.”

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Our rulers are determined to impose a scientific dictatorship on the masses and this begins with surveillance and tracking. “This is the prison without bars.

It's not a prison if there are no bars. Here in the United States, we have almost complete FREEDOM (except for the government taking our money in taxes). We are free to do what we want, when we want, and go where we want. I don't know what could be more free than that?

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and if we don't keep up the pressure to maintain those freedoms? they'll be gone in a New York minute.

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Several New York minutes have ticked off in the past 7 years.
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Several freedoms have gone in the past 7 years.
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much like the preceding 100.
But nothing compared to the next 100.

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I don't think the United States will survive another 100 years. The best of the United States is in the past.

Mike

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and Men like Ron Paul show up and start FORCING the other candidates to be more honest, and make voters think..
interestingly, Huckabee is beginning to sound more to me like Ron Paul than any of the other candidates...
it's working... lessee how far it goes...

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Hmmm, lets see how far it goes...
It will go exactly far enough to get Hillary elected.
It's all a scam.
I'd love to believe Ron Paul is legit.
I just can't.

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It's all coming down to the New World Order folks.s(Google it or search for it on You Tube). Its going to be one big police state. Control of the masses ladies and gentlemen.

Everyone please give up your freedoms for a false sense of security!

I love air travel, those 2oz little bottles hahaha! Napalm is easy to make and you can do a lot of damage with a few 2oz bottles of Napalm.

I have this 2.5in fold out knife on my key chain, it just goes right in my carry on. Never been noticed in the last dozen flights I've taken.

Ever since 9/11 (inside job) It's just more bulls**t on more bulls**t.

Hillary = Antichrist.

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Ever since 9/11 (inside job)

Inside job?

Hillary = Antichrist.

She's not smart enough to be the AntiChrist. She's just another wacko-leftist socialist who wants the government and the UN to control our money.

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Propertymanager, Kinda obvious don't you think?

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Kinda obvious don't you think?

It's obvious to me that muslim radical terrorists are responsible for 911. Are you trying to say that the United States Government did it?

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Saudi Arabians did it, before this picture was taken:

with very very close ties to members of this guys family:

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that's kinda obvious affection isn't it? [Roll Eyes]

you gots alots taloin propman, but you seem a willing student.

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Inside job?
Ludicrous?
Just watch building 7 fall symmetrically from mild to moderate asymmetrical damage.
All you need to know.

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don't try to confuse him DQR,
first you just have to make him ask why dubya is groping the "enemy"...
then after that problem won't compute, you can begin to introduce more complex concepts that don't seem to make sense at first either...

before you know it? we'll have him convinced he did it himself [Big Grin]

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So, how much kool-aid did you guys drink? Do you believe that the United States wired the twin towers with explosives? Do you believe the Jews did it?

Mike

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i prefer purple kool-aid and i use it in ever-clear with no water.... that way it looks the same when you see it again while praying at the porcelain altar...

seriously?

there's something rotten in 9-11 and there's just too many coincidences..

it's old news now, but when Bush acted surprised at the way the attack went down? he was either lying or stupid (prolly both)

looky here, what disbe?

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this was published in '97 by the US Govt Printing office... etc etc etc ad nauseum.... there are so many smoking guns that the battle of Trafalgar would be like a clear windy day in winter by comparison....

at the G8 summit in Italy in the summer of '01? the set up anti-aircraft batteries to protect against "remote control" airplanes being used to crash into the meeting place...

gee, i think it was the President of Egypt that PERSONALLY TRIED to warn them....

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i have a question for you propman.

if Gore had won the electoral college too and become president? wouldn't you have BLAMED HIM for the errors that allowed 9-11?

and? if he had started the Iraq war? you would be saying how he did it for money so he could tax and spend more....
but? since you support the team? they can do no wrong.....

be honest.

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If Gore had won we would not have all this trouble because he would have driven the globe in a shiny new Prius spreading Chlorophyll all over our enemies... including himself and they would all be green and happy.
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if Gore had won the electoral college too and become president? wouldn't you have BLAMED HIM for the errors that allowed 9-11?

I don't blame Clinton or Bush for 911. I blame the Islamic Terrorists who actually did it! After being attacked on 911, I would have been in favor of the Iraq war regardless of who started it.

what disbe?

What disbe? Do you find it surprising that the government would publish a study on the emergency response to terrorism (and the world trade center) after the world trade center was bombed in 1993? I certainly don't!

Mike

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you should blame people that don't do their jobs correctly, regardless of party, that target was right about where the plane hit..

i was not making the story up about the Italian G8 summit or President Mubariks warnings..

there was (at minimum) some collossal idiocy going on at the Oval Office... what was it Bush said about "swatting flies"? dumb.

now answer about your response to the possibility of Gore leading us into Iraq, a country that was run by a SECULAR dictator who hated religious fanaticism...

Afghanistan had to be done... Iraq was Bush's personal vendetta


don't forget, the terrorists were Saudi Arabians....

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The fog must be particularly thick there.
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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Kinda obvious don't you think?

It's obvious to me that muslim radical terrorists are responsible for 911. Are you trying to say that the United States Government did it?

Look I'm not saying the US govt in particular did it. There's a much bigger picture you have to look at, That 98% of the world is unaware of. Everything you see or hear in the media is just the surface of things, you need to go deeper than that. There are certain people in governments all over the world that are all a part of a secret society. Some call it the secret govt, some call it the Illuminati. Every president of the US besides Nixon and Kennedy have been a part of this. Google New World Order, Illuminati and go down the rabbit hole.
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Ira may of ee a personal vendeatta..but

why would the gove do 911?
i do think that is a non patriotic comment and traiterous..unless you have prooof?

With no proof, you are engaging in being a traitor ...

I do think bush and cronies miscalculated and harmed usa for their greed but 911 is not on their heads directly...

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Google New World Order, Illuminati and go down the rabbit hole.

If this is a new world order, they aren't doing a very good job. The world seems plenty screwed up to me.

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
Ira may of ee a personal vendeatta..but

why would the gove do 911?
i do think that is a non patriotic comment and traiterous..unless you have prooof?

With no proof, you are engaging in being a traitor ...

I do think bush and cronies miscalculated and harmed usa for their greed but 911 is not on their heads directly...

I am all for the USA, I love and respect the people, the way of life and our Constitution. F*** the big ugly thing our Government has become!

Vote for Ron Paul...!

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
Ira may of ee a personal vendeatta..but

why would the gove do 911?
i do think that is a non patriotic comment and traiterous..unless you have prooof?

With no proof, you are engaging in being a traitor ...

I do think bush and cronies miscalculated and harmed usa for their greed but 911 is not on their heads directly...

i blame them for being incompetent...

they had good intel.

they new alot more than is commonly understood. they knew Zack massaui was taking flying lessons and wasn't interested in taking off and landing.

they knew there were plans to use crashing jets as weapons.

then the Bush response was crazy.. take away everybody's scissors? for crying out loud, they used this to make everybody very afraid...


why is the possibility of a terror attack more scary than getting in a car wreck on the way to and from work? alot more people die of car wrecks.

even more people die from preventable "accidents" at hospitals... yet we go to the hospital when we need to..

and the worst part of all? osambinalivetoolong is still alive... that part is absolutely stupid. for a few million in gold bullion, we would already have him. it's better to keep US citizens worried about him and "scared" than it is to kill him and move on to diplomacy?

Musharef never bothered to try to help US corner him, and our troops were called off him so "they" could send in "locals".... i see it as total incompetence at minimum.

incompetence is actually the kindest criticism i can come up with, cuz after that we get into corruption and traitorousssssss activity....

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
you should blame people that don't do their jobs correctly, regardless of party, that target was right about where the plane hit..

i was not making the story up about the Italian G8 summit or President Mubariks warnings..

there was (at minimum) some collossal idiocy going on at the Oval Office... what was it Bush said about "swatting flies"? dumb.

now answer about your response to the possibility of Gore leading us into Iraq, a country that was run by a SECULAR dictator who hated religious fanaticism...

Afghanistan had to be done... Iraq was Bush's personal vendetta


don't forget, the terrorists were Saudi Arabians....

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Afghanistan had to be done
absolutely.

furthermore, it shoulda been done completely, not partially.

gotta focus...no room for cockiness.

Do the job that needs to be done.

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"Do the job that needs to be done."

Yep.

Instead of Iraq.

And leaving the job that needed doing undone, so the Taliban and Al Qaeda can take back Afghanistan and win, as they are clearly doing .

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what a dark period in U.S. history.

Is worse than the slavery era, in this respect: many folks in that era were not "enlightened."

Now? we're supposed to be...

But we're not proving up, so far.

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