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The Mitchell report is supposed to come out today around 1:00, supposedly it names names in the big steroid ring. My question to you is, what, if any, impact is it poing to have on the game of baseball as we know it?
Fans love going to the park and watching the big boys hit dingers outa the park, thats why I think that some of these players felt that they had to get juiced up. Thoughts?
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I think Mitchel has been an honorable advocate of whatever he has entered in the past.
BUT!!!!
He voluntary divorced himself from that when he became part of Major League Baseball's machinery, by working for the Red Sox. So, I expect his report to present a whitewashed picture, structured mostly to retain the power of Major League Baseball and lay non-specific blame on whomever else it can.
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The Mitchell Report might make a few players uncomfortable but will probably have little impact on the game.
Players will also try and get an edge anyway they can, it 's the nature of the beast. The problem with steroid's is the trickle down effect it has in the lower levels of sports.
College and high school athletes are influenced to believe they can't compete with a fellow player who uses steroids so they do what they have to keep up.
As long as there's big money to be made illegal forms of drugs will make there way into sports.
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one question i have is how many other rings havnen't been popped, and IMO? the only people that have a true biotch are the ones that didn't get to play cuz they didn't juice..
they should sue.... i don't know how they could win, but the principle is there...
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I want a list of all the players named as users and possible or probable users in the report and haven't yet been able to find it.
So far, the ones I have found aren't all guys that came suddenly to look like the Pillsbury Doughboy, but so many of those that I find named do look like that it looks to be a tale tale of the guilty.
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No Ken Griffey Jr. or A-Rod I see, but there sure are some home run kings on that list...
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So what does this list prove? Except for the low level player that probably wouldn't get a contract anyway, all these active players will still get the millions in guarantted contracts.
Paul Lo duca just signed for 5 mil. are they going to retract his contract? Do the drug testing show and move on.
Don't want homerun records broken, move the fences back and stop juicing the ball.
It's interesting how some odd behavior at certain times of a guys career can almost be linked to the times they are suspected of juicing themselves.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: It's interesting how some odd behavior at certain times of a guys career can almost be linked to the times they are suspected of juicing themselves.
Chuck Knoblauch...LMAO! I remember when he couldn't throw from 2nd to 1st without sailing it in about the 13th or 14th row of the stands. I saw him bust some poor unsuspecting woman in the nose like that one time.
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That list doesn't even scratch the surface.
And I have no doubt that Major League Baseball has no intention of actually eliminating the problem.
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quote:Originally posted by IMAKEMONEY: IF PITCHERS WERE DOING IT AND HITTERS WERE DOING IT, WELL SEEMS FAIR TO ME?
One problem with that thinking is all the 6 to 16 year old kids who are looking at this and want to play in the big leagues someday.
If it seems fair, then they (kids) might want to get a jump on the competition and start tomorrow.
There is a big message baseball will be sending these young future players in what they do or not do about roids.
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Just another good reason to cheat at something else.
When the kids start taking these drugs at 12 and 13 years old, what kind of health problems are they going to have early in life?
It will happen and it will not be scattered cases. With the pressures that the parents put on their kids and the way these select programs are geared by some of the coaches, you will see it big time in the coming years. Someone needs to come up with a remedy in a hurry.
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I wonder, if it were possible to construe a "smart" pill (like Algernon the lab rat and Charlie the janitor got), would these parents that push and pull their kids to get better grades and get into better schools at the cost of the children's childhood, be feeding them to the kids, even knowing it would shorten their lives?
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We had a basketball coach i coached against and he was a Doctor. If he was in a big game and one of his key players got hurt he would give him a cortisone shot right at the game. These were 13 year olds.
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Cortisone takes awhile to kick in as i am sure you know, sometimes it hits fairly fast. I guess he figured they would be ready for the next game if not that one.
The parents of the kid who got the cortisone were there the time i saw it. But they must have ok it other times when they were not there.
I think it would kind of stretch that medical release form we get from parents as coaches.
His son was a good athlete and pretty smart. But he could not keep it together under pressure in the sports games. I think that had to do with the dad's pressure all his early life.
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Those forms would protect him as a coach, but not as the doctor, should something go awry.
I used to forge those tournament forms that were extra, added expense...cuz my kids either couldn't afford Notary Public trip, or their parents weren't involved enough to take 'em...
The relatively few times I had to take kids to the hospital, I just used the original medical release they submitted during registration. I hoarded those and their birth certificates like gold coins from a famous shipwreck... If I were going to do it again, I'd have TWO COPIES, in separate places...
Pressure? should never be applied by a youth coach, as you know. First, players apply enough, on their own. Then, you got goofy parents...
Coach's job is 1) emphasizing fundamentals & safety 2) creating an environment in which the game itself teaches 3) maintaining an atmosphere that rewards the continual, exuberant pursuit of risk vs benefit.
Doctor's job is to assure health, period. In professional sports, I understand how the lines get blurred. In youth sports? No blur...any doubt, and you defer to the kid's future, not "this game."
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I wonder, if it were possible to construe a "smart" pill (like Algernon the lab rat and Charlie the janitor got), would these parents that push and pull their kids to get better grades and get into better schools at the cost of the children's childhood, be feeding them to the kids, even knowing it would shorten their lives?
isn't the ADHD pill like that?
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For some reason those medical release forms would end up in all kinds of places, i always had to dig through something to find them when needed.
Those early years before cell phones and faxes sure made it even harder on coaches.
Hard to remember before those luxuries.
I would have begged for a cell phone the days those parents were suppose to pick up their kid and they were 45 minutes late. So many times there was not a pay phone close to the field where we were practicing.
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