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O.J. Simpson is very stupid, indeed, but has committed no crime. He should have known that every Police Department in the USA wants a peace of him. O.J. Simpson or anyone doesn't have any rights, once you beat or clear yourself of a crime. They're out to get O.J., no matter what. Also, it is truly a dark day for our justice system, when a man or woman is cleared of committing a crime, but is guilty of being responsible for the crime in a civil suit.imo
How can the police dept bring charges against a person recovering stolen property? I smell a setup.imo
They are going to throw the book at him because of who he is for doing something that is not a crime, such as, recovering stolen property. The Police Department should be congratulating him for finding and recovering stolen property. The good ole USA unfair justice system. I guess he will have an all white jury, too. Here we go all over again.imo
Good for killer George Bush (I am not accusing Bush for personally killing someone, but he gave the orders to) this will get the focus off the Iraqi War for a while. Supposely, almost a million people killed in Iraq, alone, by one estimate. George Bush is more of a threat to the USA and the world than O.J. Simpson.imo
I Smell a Setup! Setup! Setup!imo
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First off buddy.....alot of the items O.J. Doesn't own...he just believes himself that he deserves to have them.
The only income he has that the brown family cant go after is his football pensions and house. He wanted the items to sell. That's all!!!
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The question here is how can you steal property you own? If O.J. won those items, those items are his and his alone, period!!!
The Police Department should have arrested the people possessing the stolen property but instead they arrested the person owning the property. It smells like entrapment or stupidity on the Police Department. Out of all the millions of hotels rooms in Vegas, how could they know O.J. went to a particular room to retrieve his, repeat, his, stolen property? No crime committed, period!!!
They are watching him beyond belief in order to find something and bring trumped-up charges against him -- this is a conspiracy. Shame, shame, shame on the Law Enforcement Administration of this ole Country!!! But, I can't expect any better from a country that for centuries enslaved, discriminated, and held down the African people in America for financial gain without an apology. Shame on America!!!
To respond to your comment. O.J. believes he deserves the stolen property because he is the owner of the stolen property. Ownership of property you earned is the oldest form of accruing and protecting wealth. Maybe, you can tell me why he doesn't deserve to own something he clearly earned or you can tell me which items he did not own?
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Perhaps you should pay more attention to the news about this incident instead of acting like a raving lunatic like Bgeesus ... Birdsoff:
The items likely belonged to Simpson at one point, Fromong said, "but these were things that belonged to him a long time ago."
Police said they weren't sure who now owned the memorabilia.
"Whether or not the property belonged to Mr. Simpson or not is still in debate," Lt. Clint Nichols said Sunday. "Having said that, the manner in which this property was taken, we have a responsibility to look into that, irregardless of who the property belonged to."
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Machiavelli, the police is the problem and don't believe what a police Lt. says. Second, stolen property always belongs to the owner, period. There is no time limit. That is the law -- look it up for yourself, if you want. The law applies to everyone and not just a select few.
Whether O.J. had a gun or knew some of the other men had guns I don't know. But many on these boards have a reprobate mind towards O.J's rights and I can name a few, that will never change.
If O.J. knew his, repeat, his stolen property was in a room, how many policemen would recover the items? None. O.J. is at the point where the police is out to get him and doesn't uphold the law. This is where O.J. was stupid. He should have known the sting was a setup.
Many of the items stolen where taken by individuals that did the same thing to him. They burst in (broke in) took (stole) what they wanted. Now the Police Department supports these bast*rds, which makes them bast*ards, as well. This is government supported crime.
Mr. rimasco, O.J. was cleared of the murder charges. I personally, watched that case from the beginning to the end. There was too many holes that the prosecutor could not prove, too many. There were too many other people involved that did not come out in the trial, that were close to Nicole, including her roommate that was involved in drugs. Why don't some investigate Nicole's roommate. No, the police was fixed on O.J. As a police investigator, you have to follow-up on all, repeat, all possibilities.
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quote:Originally posted by birdsoffire: Mr. rimasco, O.J. was cleared of the murder charges. I personally, watched that case from the beginning to the end. There was too many holes that the prosecutor could not prove, too many. There were too many other people involved that did not come out in the trial, that were close to Nicole, including her roommate that was involved in drugs. Why don't some investigate Nicole's roommate. No, the police was fixed on O.J. As a police investigator, you have to follow-up on all, repeat, all possibilities.
this much is true...
the case was very poor, and the evidence collection was worse than sloppy..
OJ was not convicted because the case was not good enough to convict him...
the trial never should have been put on TV either... too many people formed opinions that are not based in fact...
the media hypes this crap all to hell..
it wasn't that long ago that some nut "confessed" to being with Jon Benet Ramsey when she was killed and half the country was ready to cut his doodads off...
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quote:Originally posted by birdsoffire: Machiavelli, the police is the problem and don't believe what a police Lt. says. Second, stolen property always belongs to the owner, period. There is no time limit. That is the law -- look it up for yourself................................................................ Mr. rimasco, O.J. was cleared of the murder charges. I personally...............
First off, possesion is 9/10ths blah, blah, blah. If there is no clear ownership documents, such as a vehicle title, it's very difficult to prove ownership. Secondly, was that a hint of munchkin man coming out there "Mr" birdsoffire?
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quote:Originally posted by birdsoffire: Second, stolen property always belongs to the owner, period. There is no time limit. That is the law -- look it up for yourself, if you want. The law applies to everyone and not just a select few.
So let me get this straight. You agree with the verdict in OJ's murder trial because the Prosecutor in your mind couldn't prove guilt (let's not forget the jury was 8 black and i believe two white and two hispanic) but you believe OJ about his property without him PROVING it is stolen and he rightfully owns it (let's not forget he had massive legal bills in his murder trial and he SOLD alot of memoribilia and personal items to pay his bills)? Not to mention that the Goldman's have a verdict against OJ for wrongful death in which they more then likely could own the items themselves so he can settle his debt in the civil case. So anyways did I pretty much sum up my case?
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oh and 8 black jurors who partied with OJ and his lawyers after the verdict didn't at least a tincy wincy had a thing to do with it... 8 black jurors who perhaps said, you know what.. the whiteman has been screwing the blackman for ages... let's screw the white man on this one...
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Granted it was a sloppy trial and many mistakes were made but I think most people agree he was guilty. I wish his current offense was one he could fry for. If he goes to trial and is found guilty, I've got a feeling he's going to get the maximum sentence allowed. I for one sure hope so.
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[qb]Mr. rimasco, O.J. was cleared of the murder charges. I personally, watched that case from the beginning to the end. There was too many holes that the prosecutor could not prove, too many. There were too many other people involved that did not come out in the trial, that were close to Nicole, including her roommate that was involved in drugs. Why don't some investigate Nicole's roommate. No, the police was fixed on O.J. As a police investigator, you have to follow-up on all, repeat, all possibilities.[/qb}
Anybody who thinks that OJ didnt murder Nicole and Ron....YOUR CRAZY!!!
How bout this, ill keep it simple.... the victims families believe he did so im gonna go with their gut on that one.
So you think the cops were trying to frame an innocent OJ? Or maybe could it be they knew he did it and feared he would get off?
You watched a trial from beginning to end with America's top lawers doing what they do best. Confusing and scrutininzing the system into focusing the guilt on everybody else but but their client. All the while, bakrupting their client.
DNA analysis of the blood found in, on, and near Simpson’s Bronco revealed traces of Simpson’s, Nicole’s, and Ronald Goldman’s blood. DNA testing of the blood under Nicole's finger nails was from an unidentified person who was never found. DNA analysis of bloody socks found in Simpson's bedroom were proven to be Nicole’s blood; however, the blood on the socks had the same identical shape on both sides. Leading medical examiner Dr. Henry Lee of the New Jersey State Medical Examiners Office testified in court that the only way this could happen was if he had a "hole" in his ankle and that the more likely scenario was that someone intentionally placed the blood on the socks while they were on the floor of OJ Simpsons' bedroom. Lee also noted the collection procedure of the socks was inappropriate and caused contamination[3]. Simpson’s hair was found on Goldman’s shirt even though Simpson claims to have not been at the house and to have never met Goldman. DNA analysis of blood on the left-glove, found outside Nicole Simpson's home, was proven to be a mixture of Simpson’s, Nicole’s, and Ronald Goldman’s. However, even though the glove was soaked in blood, there were no blood drops leading up to, or away from the glove. No other blood was found in the area of the glove except on the glove. LA Police Detective Phillip Vanatter also could not give a reasonable explanation why after taking Simpsons blood, and before recording this part of the evidence, he walked around for hours with the 10 cc's of OJ Simpsons' blood on his person. Most police departments require that evidence custody logs be kept and that no one officer and detective hold evidence of this type on their person for any extended period of time. The LA County District Attoney's Office and the Medical Examiners Office never had an explanation as to why there were 4 cc's of blood missing from the original 10 cc amount taken from Simpson and placed into evidence[4]. LA Police Detective Phillip Vanatter also testified that he saw photographs of press personnel leaning on and contaminating the Bronco before the evidence was collected. The exchange recorded on the trial transcript between Vanatter and Shapiro listed below: MR. SHAPIRO: AND YOU LATER FOUND OUT THAT THE PRESS WAS NOT ONLY IN THE VICINITY OF THE BRONCO, BUT HAD SPILLED COFFEE ON THE HOOD OF THE BRONCO WHILE IT WAS BEING SECURED BY YOUR OFFICERS, DID YOU NOT? MR. VANNATTER:I SAW THAT THERE WERE COFFEE STAINS TO BE DISREGARDED IN THE TOW REPORT, YES. MR. SHAPIRO: AND YOU ALSO HAVE SEEN PHOTOGRAPHS OF A CIVILIAN RUNNING UP AND TOUCHING THE EXACT AREA WHERE YOU SAW THE BLOOD, DID YOU NOT? MR. VANNATTER: I SAW PHOTOGRAPHS OF A -- WHAT APPEARED TO BE A WOMAN LOOKING INTO THE VEHICLE, YES[5]. The gloves also contained particles of Goldman’s hair and carpet fibers from Simpson’s Bronco. Officers found arrest records indicating that Simpson was charged with the beating of his wife Nicole. Photos of Nicole’s bruised and battered face emerge. Simpson was sentenced with 3 years of community service for this crime. Police discovered the dome light in the Bronco had been removed. A search of the vehicle revealed the light was carefully placed under the passenger seat and was in good working condition. Puzzling blood smears on the passenger floorboard indicate that Simpson may have purposely removed the light and placed it under the seat before the murders. Then, after the murders, he may have unsuccessfully tried to find it to put it back in the socket. Police on stakeouts routinely remove the dome lights from their vehicles to avoid detection when the car doors are opened. [citation needed] It was discovered that Nicole had one set of keys to her home missing. She had indicated to several family members and friends that she feared Simpson had stolen them to gain entry into her home. The keys were later found in Simpson’s home. Paula Barbieri indicated that she had broken up with Simpson the day of the murders. She indicated he seemed very disturbed at the news. Phone records proved that Simpson attempted to contact her shortly before the murders from his Bronco’s cellular phone. The lions share of the evidence - bloody glove, bloody socks, blood on the Bronco - was found by LA Detective Mark Fuhrman, who in turned committed perjury on the witness stand and then pleaded the 5th Amendment against self incrimination to avoid questioning after his integrity came into question[6]. The left-hand glove found at Nicole’s home and the right-hand glove found at O.J.’s home proved to be a match. They also proved to be Simpson’s size. Even though Simpson claimed under oath that he did not own a pair of Aris Isotoner gloves, several media pictures emerged showing Simpson wearing these exact gloves. The bloody footprints are quite easily identified as being made from a pair of Bruno Magli shoes. These shoes are quite expensive and extremely rare[4]. The large size 12 prints matched Simpson’s shoe size. An LAPD criminologist, Dennis Fung's collection of the evidence came under criticism. He admitted to "having missed a few drops of blood on a fence near the bodies," but said that he "returned several weeks afterwards to collect them" on the stand[7]. Despite deviating from standard methodology, this was admitted into evidence for the trial. Fung also admitted that he had not used rubber gloves when collecting some of the evidence[8]. Following his testimony, Fung was greeted with handshakes and hugs from the defense table where he was viewed as a hero[9]. Friends and family indicated that Nicole was quite consistent in her claims that Simpson had been stalking her. She claimed that everywhere she went she noticed Simpson would be there, watching her. She was afraid because Simpson had already told her he would kill her if he ever found her with another man. [citation needed] Ross Cutlery provided store receipts indicating that Simpson had purchased a 12 inch stiletto knife six weeks before the murders. A replica of the knife was purchased by the police and provided an exact match to the wounds on Nicole and Ronald Goldman.
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The lions share of the evidence - bloody glove, bloody socks, blood on the Bronco - was found by LA Detective Mark Fuhrman, who in turned committed perjury on the witness stand and then pleaded the 5th Amendment against self incrimination to avoid questioning after his integrity came into question
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LA Police Detective Phillip Vanatter also could not give a reasonable explanation why after taking Simpsons blood, and before recording this part of the evidence, he walked around for hours with the 10 cc's of OJ Simpsons' blood on his person. Most police departments require that evidence custody logs be kept and that no one officer and detective hold evidence of this type on their person for any extended period of time. The LA County District Attoney's Office and the Medical Examiners Office never had an explanation as to why there were 4 cc's of blood missing from the original 10 cc amount taken from Simpson and placed into evidence
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the bloody glove that didn't fit? it also didn't have a hole in it to match the hole in OJ's hand...
the missing 4 cc's of blood got spread all over the place... it'll go along way...
like i said? he may have done it but the all of evidence presented in court was a frameup from the start.... orchestrated immediately by Furhman...
when i lived in VA? the cops had somebody to put in jail for almost every crime...
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The left-hand glove found at Nicole’s home and the right-hand glove found at O.J.’s home proved to be a match. They also proved to be Simpson’s size. Even though Simpson claimed under oath that he did not own a pair of Aris Isotoner gloves, several media pictures emerged showing Simpson wearing these exact gloves.
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The bloody footprints are quite easily identified as being made from a pair of Bruno Magli shoes. These shoes are quite expensive and extremely rare[4]. The large size 12 prints matched Simpson’s shoe size.
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Friends and family indicated that Nicole was quite consistent in her claims that Simpson had been stalking her. She claimed that everywhere she went she noticed Simpson would be there, watching her. She was afraid because Simpson had already told her he would kill her if he ever found her with another man.
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It was discovered that Nicole had one set of keys to her home missing. She had indicated to several family members and friends that she feared Simpson had stolen them to gain entry into her home. The keys were later found in Simpson’s home.
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Ron Goldman is supposed to be in court seeking an order to keep OJ from getting his hands on any of the sports memorabilia that OJ is accused of stealing. Ron must think it is his now since the civil suit, and maybe it is but stil.......
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I just hate to think what Pacman Jones will have done by the time he's O.J.'s age... he's getting much earlier start.
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it sure sounds like he's done something again this time, but what is it?
OJ Simpson charged with kidnapping and robbery
Agencies Wednesday September 19, 2007 Guardian Unlimited
OJ Simpson was yesterday charged with kidnapping, armed robbery and assault arising from a dispute at a Las Vegas hotel.
i heard some o fthe tapes, and it definitley sound like assault: assault
A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault. Compare battery
i haven't figgered out how kidnaping comes into it...
kidnapping n. the taking of a person against his/her will (or from the control of a parent or guardian) from one place to another under circumstances in which the person so taken does not have freedom of movement, will, or decision through violence, force, threat or intimidation. Although it is not necessary that the purpose be criminal (since all kidnapping is a criminal felony) the capture usually involves some related criminal act such as holding the person for ransom, sexual and/or sadistic abuse, or rape.
you have to "move" someone for kidnapping is what i've always heard...
once again? the police SEEM TO ME to be getting "aggressive"...
maybe they are stacking charges in hope that he'll plea bargain?
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if they actually give the gun weilders immunity? would you beleive somebody (other than OJ) would get this treatment?
IMO this isn't a coincidence either: Just five days in release, the book is already a bestseller, having hit the number two spot on Amazon.com and on Barnes & Noble's Website, with Beaufort Books publishing an additional 50,000 copies of the hypothetical confession.
the voice tapes suggest Simpson is at minimum guilty of assault...
consider this too:
Santa Monica Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg gave Goldman one week to come up with a list of the stuff Simpson supposedly stole; the judge plans to individually rule on each item. A follow-up hearing on the matter is tentatively slated for next Tuesday, though it may take place even sooner depending on when Goldman submits his list.
if they award the "swag" to the Goldmans? isn't that confirmation that the "swag" was actually OJ's? you can't rob your own stuff...
non-felony assault charges for putting his book at the top of the best-sellers list? that's what all this crapola looks like to me....
i won't be buying, borrowing or reading this book
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Walter Alexander, 46, a golfing buddy of Simpson's arrested over the weekend for similar felony counts but since released on his own recognizance, appeared on Good Morning America Tuesday to defend his alleged coconspirator. Alexander believes Simpson's arrest was orchestrated in part by Thomas Riccio, the auction house impresario who tipped SImpson off to the items whereabouts and recorded the entire incident.
One of Riccio's recordings was reportedly sold to TMZ; he claims another has been sent to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. Riccio, whose extensive rap sheet has been documented on The Smoking Gun and includes time served for conspiracy to receive stolen goods, is reportedly attempting to get immunity in exchange for his cooperation with prosecutors.
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