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Ooopps... LOL look Mike we took the Nukes by mistake...oh well

[Eek!]

By Michael Hoffman, Military Times
A B-52 bomber mistakenly loaded with at least five nuclear warheads flew from Minot Air Force Base, N.D, to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, resulting in an Air Force-wide investigation, according to three officers who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to discuss the incident.
The B-52 was loaded with Advanced Cruise Missiles, part of a Defense Department effort to decommission 400 of the ACMs. But the nuclear warheads should have been removed at Minot before being transported to Barksdale, the officers said. The missiles were mounted onto the pylons of the bomber's wings.

Advanced Cruise Missiles carry a W80-1 warhead with a yield of 5 to 150 kilotons and are specifically designed for delivery by B-52 strategic bombers.

Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Ed Thomas said the transfer was safely conducted and the weapons were in Air Force custody and control at all times. However, the mistake was not discovered until the B-52 landed at Barskdale, which left the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3-1/2 hour flight between the two bases, the officers said.

"Air Force standards are very exacting when it comes to munitions handling," Thomas said. "The weapons were always in our custody and there was never a danger to the American public."

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An investigation headed by Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, director of Air and Space Operations at Air Combat Command Headquarters, was launched immediately to find the cause of the mistake and figure out how it could have been prevented, Thomas said.

Air Force officials wouldn't officially specify whether nuclear weapons were involved, in accordance with long-standing Defense Department policy regarding nuclear munitions, Thomas said. However, the three officers close to the situation did confirm the warheads were nuclear.

The crews involved with the mistaken load at the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot have been temporarily decertified from performing their duties involving munitions pending corrective actions or additional training, Thomas said.

The Associated Press reported Wednesday that the munitions squadron commander also was relieved of his duties. The AP also reported that the bomber was carring six nuclear warheads, not five as sources told the Military Times.

Officials at Minot immediately conducted an inventory of its nuclear weapons after the oversight was discovered, and Thomas said he could confirm that all remaining nuclear weapons at Minot are accounted for.

At no time was there a risk for a nuclear detonation, even if the B-52 crashed on its way to Barksdale, said Steve Fetter, a former Defense Department official who worked on nuclear weapons policy in 1993-94. A crash could ignite the high explosives associated with the warhead, and possibly cause a leak of the plutonium, but the warheads' elaborate safeguards would prevent a nuclear detonation from occurring, he said.

"The main risk would have been the way the Air Force responded to any problems with the flight because they would have handled it much differently if they would have known nuclear warheads were onboard," he said.

The risk of the warheads falling into the hands of rogue nations or terrorists was minimal since the weapons never left the United States, according to Fetter and Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, an independent research and policy think tank in Washington, D.C.

Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission stand down Sept. 14 to review their procedures in response to this oversight, he said.

"The Air Force takes its mission to safeguard weapons seriously," he said. "No effort will be spared to ensure that the matter is thoroughly and completely investigated."

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good article...
and this is the real point..

"The main risk would have been the way the Air Force responded to any problems with the flight because they would have handled it much differently if they would have known nuclear warheads were onboard," he said.


otherwise? i see nothing else to get excited about...

some people need to be decertified, and the problem needs to be put in the training manuals... [Roll Eyes]

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LOL....I bet you the Iraeli's knew wqe had nukes on that flight.

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yeah, and they flew into the north of Syria yesterday and "dropped" munitions...

sheeesh...

IMO, when you have a screw-up leading any organisation? there's gonna be more screw-ups in the organisation...

did you notice that the "German Terrorists" really are Germans?

we now have islamofascists named Fritz born in the Bavarian Alps...

our policies are leading US to hell in a bucket


The three men, all of whom are in their twenties, were identified by German law-enforcement officials as "Daniel S. from the state of Saarland and Fritz G. from Neu-Ulm in Bavaria, both of whom are German converts to Islam, as well as Adem Y., who is believed to be from Turkey. The three, who had apparently founded a terrorist cell, have been under intensive investigation for several months. All three men were considered radical Islamists and had contact with Islamist groups in Germany and Pakistan." They had been staying together in a vacation apartment and, according to a local newspaper in the area where the residence was located,
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/****s/sfgate/detail?****id=15&entry_id=20048

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They had a profile on these guys saying that non-born muslims tend to be more radical.

I personally think its because they have suicidals gravitating towards "dieing for a cause" rather then just taking their belt and getting it over with.

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I say watch out. One day a walrus is going to come out of nowhere wearing a hardhat and driving a front end loader and then BAM! We'll all be singing Beatles songs and walking wiener dogs. And that's just the beginnging, watch out for shady trees on sunny hills!

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Someone, operating under a special chain of command within the United States Air Force, just stole a nuclear weapon.




Some History

Barksdale Missile Number Six deserves far more public attention than it's received to date. Missile Number Six is potentially the major story of at least this year.

Until 1968 under the Airborne Alert Program, informally called Operation Chrome Dome, the Air Force routinely kept about a dozen strategic bombers with nuclear weapons flying at all times.

One predictable result was crashes and incidents. In 1968 the Department of Defense published a list of 13 serious nuclear weapons accidents that occurred between 1950 and 1968. In 1980 the list was revised to include 32 incidents through that year.

Notably, the Pentagon has not acknowledged any accidents since 1980. This alone highlights the importance the Pentagon is placing on the recent transportation of nuclear weapons from North Dakota to Louisiana.

Through 1968, several reported incidents involved plane crashes or malfunctions, beginning with the crash of a B-29 near Fairfield, California in August 1950. The resulting blast was felt 30 miles away.

In July 1950 a B-50 crashed near Lebanon, Ohio. The high-explosive trigger for the nuclear weapon detonated on impact. The blast was felt over 25 miles away.

In May 1957 a nuclear weapon fell from the bomb bay of a B-36 near Albuquerque, New Mexico. Parachutes malfunctioned and the weapon was destroyed on impact.

In October 1957 near Homestead, Florida a B-47 crashed. The nuclear weapon was burned.

In March 1958 a B-47 accidentally dropped a nuclear weapon near Florence, South Carolina. The high-explosive trigger detonated on impact.

In November 1958 a B-47 crashed near Abilene, Texas. The trigger of the nuclear weapon exploded upon impact.

In July 1959 a C-124 crashed near Bossier City, Louisiana. Both plane and nuclear weapon were destroyed.

In October 1959 a B-52 with two nuclear weapons was involved in a mid-air collision near Hardinsburg, Kentucky. One weapon partially burned.

In January 1961 a B-52 broke apart in mid-air near Goldsboro, North Carolina. Two nuclear weapons were released. The parachute on one weapon malfunctioned, and contamination was spread over a wide area. The uranium core was never recovered. Daniel Ellsberg reported that detonation was a very real risk because five of six safety devices failed.

In that month near Monticello, Idaho a B-52 carrying nuclear weapons exploded in mid-air. No information was made available as to the weapons.

In March 1961 a B-52 with two nuclear weapons crashed near Yuba City, California.

In January 1964 a B-52 carrying two nuclear weapons crashed near Cumberland, Maryland.

In January 1966 a B-52 carrying four hydrogen bombs crashed after a mid-air collision near Palomares, Spain. Two weapons exploded on impact, with resulting plutonium contamination. A months-long program was undertaken to locate and extract the other two weapons from the ocean. Major policy changes were taken under consideration.

In January 1968 a B-52 carrying four hydrogen weapons crashed and burned near Thule AFB in Greenland. Explosives in one bomb detonated, spreading plutonium contamination. Apparently, the other three weapons have never been accounted for.

Following large public protests Denmark, which owns Greenland and prohibits nuclear weapons on or over its territory, filed a strong protest. A few days later the Secretary of Defense ordered the removal of nuclear weapons from planes. After that order was issued, all aircraft armed with nuclear weapons were grounded but kept in a constant state of alert.

In 1991 by Presidential order, nuclear weapons were removed from all aircraft. Bomber nuclear ground alerts, during which nuclear weapons are loaded onto bombers during test and training exercises, were halted. After that time, all nuclear weapons to be delivered by plane were permanently maintained in secure storage facilities.


August 30, 2007

All of which makes the transport of nuclear weapons in combat position on a combat plane so newsworthy.

On August 30, for the first time since 1968, nuclear warheads in combat position were carried by an American bomber. Numerous international treaty provisions were violated in the process.

That Thursday, a B-52H Stratofortress flew from Minot AFB in North Dakota to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana while carrying twelve cruise missiles. Either five or six of those missiles were armed with nuclear warheads.


Cruise Missiles

The missiles on the B-52 were AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missile units, specifically designed to be launched from wing pods of B-52H planes.

A total of 460 units were manufactured by Raytheon. A total of 394 units are currently maintained by the Air Force. Apparently, 38 are to be modernized and upgraded in Fiscal Year 2008 and the other 356 are to be decommissioned pursuant to the 2002 Moscow treaty.

Raytheon has publicly announced the AGM-129 missiles are to be modified to accomplish a "classified cruise missile mission". This has widely been interpreted to mean conversion to bunker-busters, most likely for use in Iran. This widely accepted explanation is being used to explain why armed cruise missiles are being flown in American airspace.


Nuclear Warheads

The AGM-129 was specifically designed to deliver a W-80 nuclear warhead. The W-80 weapon has a variable yield capability, of 5 to 150 kilotons. For comparison purposes, the bomb used on Hiroshima was 13 to 15 kilotons, or equivalent to 13,000 to 15,000 tons of TNT explosive.


News Stories and Flawed Explanations

The story of the B-52 flight was first reported by Army Times, owned by Gannett, on Wednesday September 5. Gannett relied on information provided by "anonymous officers". The story was picked up by Yahoo Wednesday morning, published by USA Today and The Washington Pos, and then quickly spread.

In response, the Pentagon quickly spread an official explanation.

The Air Force admitted to an inadvertent error: The intent was to transport ACMs without weapons. According to military officers, the nuclear warheads should have been removed before the missiles were mounted on the pylons under the wings of the bomber.


In the words of the Pentagon:

"There was an error which occurred during a regularly scheduled transfer of weapons between two bases. The weapons were safe and remained in Air Force control and custody at all times."

For almost the first time in the history of the nation, the military has publicly and promptly admitted it "made a mistake". This in itself is truly astounding.

To reinforce the military's claim that a mistake was made, a system-wide stand-down was ordered for September 14.

That official explanation was quickly explained away. The mistake was made intentionally, so a "deliberate leak" of a secret operation could occur.

The CIA and the Office of Counter-Terrorism in the State Department explained that Barksdale AFB is a "jumping off point" for re-supply of the Middle East.

The "deliberate leak" was intended to serve as a veiled warning to Iran. This deliberately misleading explanation is evidently intended to lead the public or Iran or both to logically conclude the missiles are bound for Iran.

Bluntly, State and the CIA converted a whistleblower leak by true American patriots into a deliberate leak by official Washington, to scare Iran.

By this means Washington has led the public to forget or overlook the real issue.

To begin, the multiple official explanations reek to high heaven. They collectively read suspiciously like flimsy cover stories concocted in hasty desperation. And no amount of pretty lipstick will be able to make the official explanations pretty.


Transportation Violations

More conflicting explanations followed. These missiles are part of a group scheduled to be decommissioned. This would explain why they were shipped out of North Dakota.

But the missiles were not transported on their way to decommissioning. Missiles are normally decommissioned at Davis-Monthan AFB at Tucson. Nuclear weapons are decommissioned at the Department of Energy's Pantex facility near Amarillo, Texas, accessed through Kirkland AFB in New Mexico.

And military policy requires minimization of the number of flights made with nuclear weapons aboard. So the weapons should not have been mounted on the missiles, flown to Louisiana, un-mounted and flown to New Mexico.

The mode of transportation is also a major issue not defused by official explanations. Per standard operating procedures, or SOPs, both missiles and nuclear warheads are transported primarily by air, in specially modified C-130s or C-17s. Under no peacetime circumstances do military SOPs allow transport of nuclear weapons mounted in cruise missiles mounted in combat positions on combat planes.

Department of Defense Directive Number 4540.5, issued on February 4, 1998, regulates logistic transportation of nuclear weapons.

By delegation of Commanders of Combatant Commands, movement of nuclear weapons must be approved by commanders of major service commands.

Commanders of Combat Commands or service component commanders must evaluate, authorize and approve transport modes and movement routes for nuclear weapons in their custody.

The Air Force is required to maintain a Prime Nuclear Airlift Force capability to conduct the logistic transport of nuclear weapons.

Under SOPs, combat planes with combat-ready nuclear weapons can only be flown on the authority of the Commander in Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff or the National Military Command Authority.

All of these transportation regulations were flagrantly violated on August 30.


Handling Violations

Violations of regulations concerning handling of the nuclear weapons in North Dakota are worse.

A sophisticated computerized tracking system is used for nuclear weapons. Multiple sign-offs are required to remove the weapons from their storage bunkers.

The AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missile was designed to carry nuclear weapons. No non-nuclear warhead is available for this missile. So the only possible error could have been loading nuclear warheads on the missiles instead of practice dummies.

The practice warheads have standard blue and yellow signs declaring "Inert, non-nuclear". The nuclear warheads have at least three distinctive red warning signs. This error is therefore highly improbable, absent tampering with signage.

Nuclear weapons are transported from the storage bunker to the aircraft in a caravan that routinely includes vehicles with machine guns front and rear and guards with M-16s. All steps in the process are done under the watchful eyes of armed military police.

Rules require that at least two people jointly control every step of the process. If one person loses sight of the other, both are forced to the ground face-down and temporarily "placed under arrest" by observant security forces. All progress stops until inspections are made to assure the weapons weren't tampered with.

All nuclear weapons are connected to sophisticated alarm systems to prevent removal or tampering. They could only be removed from the storage bunker by turning the alarm off. And the squad commander clearly would not have authority to turn off the alarm.


The Impossible Mistake

Bluntly, the mistake of loading nuclear weapons on a combat aircraft in combat-ready position is simply not possible to make. Safeguards are far too stringent and far too many people would be involved. Particularly given that the mounting was in violation of policy that's been in place without exception for almost 40 years.

No discipline is expected to be meted out. The New York Times tried to imply the commanding general had been fired. Actually, the squad commander in charge of munitions crews at Minot was "relieved of duty pending an investigation". He has not been removed from his position or disciplined. The crews involved have been "temporarily decertified pending corrective actions or additional training" but have not been disciplined. No mention has been made of the wing commander.

Note carefully: These actions amount to nothing at all. The wing and squad commanders are still in place and the crews can easily be re-certified.


Successful Confusion

Washington's efforts to confuse the public have been successful. Attention has shifted from the crucial issue.

This news has already become non-news. The August 14 stand-down will momentarily become news, followed by announcements of more stringent restrictions, improved safeguards and additional training. The public always has been and always will be safe.


One of the major issues will be avoided:

Someone in an irregular chain of Air Force command authorized loading and transport of nuclear weapons.

And that would never have been done without a reason. Given the magnitude of regulatory violations involved, the reason must be extremely important.

The paramount issue will be avoided, if necessary with repetition of the reassurance that the Air Force was in control at all times. The weapons were only missing during the 3.5-hour flight.

At Barksdale, the missiles were considered to be unarmed items headed for modernization or the scrap heap, and of no particular importance. They were left unguarded for almost ten hours.

According to one report, almost ten hours were required for airmen at Minot AFB to convince superiors that the nuclear weapons had disappeared. According to information provided to Congress, this time lapsed before airmen at Barksdale "noticed" the weapons were present. News reports will continue to overlook this fact also.

Even here the focus is on time. The number of missiles and warheads issue was overlooked.

Early news reports spoke of five nuclear warheads loaded onto the bomber. Apparently, this information was provided from Barksdale.

That number was later updated to six weapons missing from Minot, apparently based on anonymous tips provided to Military Times by people at Minot. This information has also been forgotten.


Conclusion

Six nuclear weapons disappeared from Minot AFB in North Dakota.

Five nuclear weapons were discovered at Barksdale AFB in Louisiana.

Which leads to my chilling conclusion:

Someone, operating under a special chain of command within the United States Air Force, just stole a nuclear weapon.


What next?

The answer has been provided several times, most recently by CIA Director and General Michael Hayden. On September 7, dressed in full military uniform, Hayden told assembled members of the Council of Foreign Relations:

"Our analysts assess with high confidence that al-Qaida's central leadership is planning high-impact plots against the U. S. homeland."

"We assess with high confidence that al-Qaida is focusing on targets that would produce mass casualties, dramatic destruction and significant aftershocks."

An eye for an eye. Use of nukes will justify use of nukes. A perfect excuse to wage nuclear war against Iran.

I suspect Hayden is absolutely correct, except for his mistaken identification of the "central leadership" that is planning detonation of a nuclear weapon on American soil.
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i guess dubya and dick's cover are blown now and they won't be able to pursue any more of this particular evil plot [Big Grin]

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OK, now i found something interesting:

from the Whitehousedotgov:

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
May 8, 2001

Statement by the President
Domestic Preparedness Against Weapons of Mass Destruction
Protecting America's homeland and citizens from the threat of weapons of mass destruction is one of our Nation's important national security challenges. Today, more nations possess chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons than ever before. Still others seek to join them. Most troubling of all, the list of these countries includes some of the world's least-responsible states -- states for whom terror and blackmail are a way of life. Some non-state terrorist groups have also demonstrated an interest in acquiring weapons of mass destruction.
Today, numerous Federal departments and agencies have programs to deal with the consequences of a potential use of a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapon in the United States. Many of these Federal programs offer training, planning, and assistance to state and local governments. But to maximize their effectiveness, these efforts need to be seamlessly integrated, harmonious, and comprehensive.

Therefore, I have asked Vice President Cheney to oversee the development of a coordinated national effort so that we may do the very best possible job of protecting our people from catastrophic harm.
Specifically it will coordinate all Federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies.


also? from the New Yorker, July 2006

Last Stand
by Seymour M. Hersh

In late April, the military leadership, headed by General Pace, achieved a major victory when the White House dropped its insistence that the plan for a bombing campaign include the possible use of a nuclear device to destroy Iran’s uranium-enrichment plant at Natanz, nearly two hundred miles south of Tehran. The huge complex includes large underground facilities built into seventy-five-foot-deep holes in the ground and designed to hold as many as fifty thousand centrifuges. “Bush and Cheney were dead serious about the nuclear planning,” the former senior intelligence official told me. “And Pace stood up to them. Then the world came back: ‘O.K., the nuclear option is politically unacceptable.’ ” At the time, a number of retired officers, including two Army major generals who served in Iraq, Paul Eaton and Charles Swannack, Jr., had begun speaking out against the Administration’s handling of the Iraq war. This period is known to many in the Pentagon as “the April Revolution.”


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now add this huge RUMOR from a couple weeks ago:

Someone is betting billions on a catastrophe that the markets will crash and burn before 9/21/07

Here's something that is snowballing through the internet today getting a lot of people spooked.
Since they now find the Fed's are going to their undergrounder bunker retreat for a weekend pow wow.
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Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting?

The two sales are being referred to by market traders as "bin Laden trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these short-sell options valuable.

There are 65,000 contracts * $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700 points away from current value. No one would buy that deep "in the money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity that I haven't seen before.

The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over $1 billion just for engaging in these contracts!

Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21.


seems crazy huh? [Big Grin]

but a nuke "accident" would definitely have paid big on that bet huh?

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An obvious and strong desire to nuke Iran from the administration.
United resistance from upper millitary.
Seems some convincing is in order.

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i've been trying to find some presidential orders outlining what powers Bush gave Cheney in specific...

the WMD "preparedness" order in May of '01 gives dick some pretty broad powers to direct agencies...

per your article? The mode of transportation is also a major issue not defused by official explanations. Per standard operating procedures, or SOPs, both missiles and nuclear warheads are transported primarily by air, in specially modified C-130s or C-17s. Under no peacetime circumstances do military SOPs allow transport of nuclear weapons mounted in cruise missiles mounted in combat positions on combat planes

this seems to be common sense, why would you ship a missile on the wing? they never shoulda been taken out of their shipping containers to be transported, esp for decommissioning...

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Not exactly like they are a set of keys easily lost in the couch cushions...
There have been FAR too many coincidences in the last six years.

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wonder why i'm looking so hard at dick? [Confused]


Secrecy Shrouded Bush Trip to Iraq

By DEB RIECHMANN – Sep 3, 2007

AL-ASAD AIR BASE, Iraq (AP) — President Bush slipped out a side door at the White House and ducked into a waiting car. No motorcade or helicopter this time — that would attract unwanted attention.

His schedule said Bush was spending Sunday evening in Washington before traveling the next morning to Australia. Instead, Air Force One lifted off from Andrews Air Force Base after dark Sunday night on a secret flight to Iraq.

Only one other car accompanied Bush to Andrews — not the usual contingent of security, communications, staff and VIP vehicles and media vans.

The trip was conceived five or six weeks ago as White House officials deliberated strategy for dealing with a Democratic-led Congress trying to force Bush to begin troop withdrawals. Next week will be pivotal because Bush has to give lawmakers his assessment of the progress of the war since his buildup announced in January of some 30,000 troops.

For security reasons, the president's trip — his third to Iraq — was a closely guarded secret.


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
wonder why i'm looking so hard at dick? [Confused]



A couple strange explanations spring to mind but I'm going with the more plain and probably more accurate, cause Bush is a raging moron and can't plan a breathe on his own.
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LOL...

i couldn't resist..

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Cheney coulda become Dicktator overnite [Big Grin]

an unexplained nuclear accident in iraq while Bush was secretly there? blamed on Amideenijad... Tom Clancy wishes he could write stuff like that [Razz]

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Yup, thrusting us into a nuke war would be grounds for allowing Cheney to stay in office till his pacemaker gives out.
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i guess this isn't a joking matter...

i'm glad you posted that, cuz there is something really wrong, and i WAS willing to accept the paperwork accident theory at first...

but i didn't do any follow-up, and i've seen enough independant verification now that i have to agree somebody gave orders to have that many people screw up...

i was a USN gunner, and i had to have armed guards to go to work too... no way would we have loaded the wrong weapon...

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Got something else...


http://www.whig.com/326765874765770.php
By David Adam

Herald-Whig Staff Writer

A national emergency alert announced on local television and radio stations throughout Illinois this morning appears to be the result of a human error in Washington, D.C.

Four alerts were heard — at 7:33 a.m., 7:49 a.m., 7:55 a.m. and 8:07 a.m. The alerts came from the National Emergency Alert System, which originates its signal with the Illinois Emergency Management Agency in Springfield.

With each alert, a message scrolled across television screens that read, "The Emergency Action Notification Network has issued an emergency action notification for the United States, beginning at ..."

Radio stations and TV stations both had the warning tone for about a minute, but radio stations had no audio. The alerts are designed to override the local audio and video in case of a national emergency.

Jim Lawrence, director of operations and engineering for WGEM in Quincy, said he talked this morning with representatives with IEMA who assured him there was no emergency.

"Apparently, there's some kind of test being run that shouldn't be going out," Lawrence said. "(IEMA) is getting besieged with phone calls from all over the state."

Lawrence said a representative from Chicago with the Illinois Emergency Alert System told him that he believed the glitch was part of a test of satellite receivers linking state emerency management agencies with the Federal Emergency Management Agency in Washington, D.C.

Rather than a test code being sent to the satellites, Lawrence said he was told that the presidential code was sent instead.

WGEM is the originating source for the alerts, which are then sent to radio stations in West-Central Illinois. After the fourth alert, Lawrence disabled the system.

"We've had probably 50 calls this morning at least, and we're still getting them," he said.

Mike Moyers, general manager for STARadio in Quincy, says neither KGRC, licensed in Hannibal, Mo., or KZZK, licensed in New London, Mo., received the alerts, but the three local stations licensed in Illinois — WCOY, WTAD and WQCY — did.

Moyers said he went on WTAD at about 8 this morning to let listeners know there was no emergency.

"Our live lines were going wild, and we had some people who were alarmed," he said. "The upside of all of this is, well, at least we know it works."

A press release sent late this morning by IEMA said the satellite warning system was installed in Illinois on Monday. The federal government hoped to conduct a test of the new system this morning, but rather than being an internal test, the message was sent to broadcast stations.

"At this time, we don't know why the federal government used a 'hot' or active code rather than a test cost when they sent out this test message," said Andrew Velasquez III, director of IEMA, in the press release.

The EAS system replaced the former Emergency Broadcast System. It can be activated by the federal government, by states or by the National Weather Service.

Lawrence says the IEMA system does normal weekly tests — WGEM does one of its own, and IEMA does one. Also, IEMA does a test on the first Tuesday of each month at varying times. Each of those alerts has audio that tells listeners that it is a test.

On the IEMA Web page, its mission statement reads, "To protect the State of Illinois through integrated approaches of Emergency Management and Homeland Security. To prepare for, respond to, mitigate against, and recover from emergencies and disasters, or acts of terrorism."


On the Net:

Illinois Emergency Management Agency: www.state.il.us/iema


Contact News Coordinator David Adam at dadam*whig.com or (217) 221-3376

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Testing the system with hot codes.. seems a bit odd.
Too many coincedences.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i guess this isn't a joking matter...

i'm glad you posted that, cuz there is something really wrong, and i WAS willing to accept the paperwork accident theory at first...

but i didn't do any follow-up, and i've seen enough independant verification now that i have to agree somebody gave orders to have that many people screw up...

i was a USN gunner, and i had to have armed guards to go to work too... no way would we have loaded the wrong weapon...

Yup,I'm sure you've noticed a change in my stance...
Been doing some investigating myself for the last year or so.
Extremely troubling.

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i can only speak from personal experience, but in the USN? we had a strict protocol that involved several people from different duty stations, i won't get specific, but it included either the CO or the XO and others besides me and whoever was my "second" that day... there is most definitely a two man rule.... we double checked each others work every step of the way...

read up on the weapon system here:
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-129.html

it gives enough specifics that make it clear they never made non-nuke models..

While a conventionally armed ACM was indeed proposed to the USAF by General Dynamics (and unofficially referred to as "AGM-129C"), this proposal was turned down.

furthermore? Raytheon doesn't maintain offices at Barksdale as far as i can find..
i checked their sites for them...
they do have somebody high up named Barksdale working for them that made the search a pain in the azz tho [Wink]

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maybe Steve Fosset took the missing nuke...

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Interesting thread guys.

Glassman-

I have read that story/rumor that you posted above, I must say, it's pretty spooky.

Here's the link to the site I read with a bit more info. http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/?q=node/715

[Massive evidence has come to our attention which shows that the backers, controllers, and allies of Vice President Dick Cheney are determined to orchestrate and manufacture a new 9/11 terror incident, and/or a new Gulf of Tonkin war provocation over the coming weeks and months. Such events would be used by the Bush administration as a pretext for launching an aggressive war against Iran, quite possibly with nuclear weapons, and for imposing a regime of martial law here in the United States. We call on the House of Representatives to proceed immediately to the impeachment of Cheney, as an urgent measure for avoiding a wider and more catastrophic war. Once impeachment has begun, it will be easier for loyal and patriotic military officers to refuse illegal orders coming from the Cheney faction. We solemnly warn the people of the world that any terrorist attack with weapons of mass destruction taking place inside the United States or elsewhere in the immediate future must be considered the prima facie responsibility of the Cheney faction. We urge responsible political leaders everywhere to begin at once to inoculate the public opinion of their countries against such a threatened false flag terror operation.]

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well wit, i have to assume the short sell is only a rumor cuz i can't find it on bloomberg..

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Wheres the media on this mishap? I think misplaced nukes should take precedence over Britney, Paris and Lindsey..JMO!!. There should be total coverage on the chain involved and we should be seeing heads roll...

Someone is betting billions on a catastrophe that the markets will crash and burn before 9/21/07

I dont know how much truth there is to this story. How would the bettors explain the placing of this BET? There should be a big hedge out there as well.

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Fox "News" is reporting today that Bush is drawing up air attack plans on Iran right now..that's where the news is [Wink]

U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan

Tuesday, September 11, 2007

By James Rosen

WASHINGTON — A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime, FOX News confirmed Tuesday.



this is Germany's fault, typical Bush propaganda...

Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

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Fox "News" is reporting today that Bush is drawing up air attack plans on Iran right now..that's where the news is

Bush couldnt draw a stick figure! Maybe this is part of the conspiracy puzzle?
[Eek!]

What the hell is going on? I think the vast majority of US is on the same page when it comes to Iran. And I believe Ron Paul said it best "This is insanity" "we should open up a better dialogue with the Iraians"

Have we even tried to speak to any of these "rogue players!!!?"

everything stinks of fish these days

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quote:
Originally posted by rimasco:
Fox "News" is reporting today that Bush is drawing up air attack plans on Iran right now..that's where the news is

Bush couldnt draw a stick figure

Sure he can - his stick figures have missing arms and legs! Just like our troops who come home from Iraq.
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http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp

Authorities are investigating the death of a Minot Air Force Base airman who died while on leave in Virginia.

Base officials say 20-year-old Airman 1st Class Todd Blue died Monday while visiting family members in Wytheville, Virginia.

Blue enlisted in the Air Force in March of last year and joined the 5th Security Forces at Minot Air Force Base the following August.

Information on how Blue died has not been released.

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i don't like how this looks at all...

if he was on duty? others that were also on duty will be quiet.

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Now that it has been communicated how serious the situation is they will.
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Might want to give this page a read.
Then ponder for a while.

http://www.legitgov.org/minot_afb_nukes_oddities.html

ponder

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