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if that's one of the new options that Chrysler is planning on to bring in new customers? i think i'd rather have a CD player than a live performer,
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Could you DOPES(Bill Maher) and company please stop with saying "waaaa oh they do the jobs nobody else wants too waaa"
Im sick of hearing this lame argument. This is how simple it is. Americans always did do "their" jobs, they just did it for cheaper rates. Thats it plain and simple.
These morons would make you think that Americans never cut lawns or cleaned houses or baby-sat or dug ditches.
They just got put out of business by CHEAP-LABOR! funny part is...their not even cheap anymore. My friend told me he went to go buy one for the day and the guy wanted 15 bucks an hour for painting and light yard work. He told him to Fcuk off
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Could you DOPES(Bill Maher) and company please stop with saying "waaaa oh they do the jobs nobody else wants too waaa"
Im sick of hearing this lame argument. This is how simple it is. Americans always did do "their" jobs, they just do it for cheaper rates. Thats it plain and simple.
These morons would make you think that Americans never cut lawns or cleaned houses or baby-sat or dug ditches.
They just got put out of business by CHEAP-LABOR! funny part is...their not even cheap anymore. My friend told me he went to go buy one for the day and the guy wanted 15 bucks an hour for painting and light yard work. He told him to Fcuk off
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quote:Originally posted by rimasco: Could you DOPES(Bill Maher) and company please stop with saying "waaaa oh they do the jobs nobody else wants too waaa"
Im sick of hearing this lame argument. This is how simple it is. Americans always did do "their" jobs, they just do it for cheaper rates. Thats it plain and simple.
These morons would make you think that Americans never cut lawns or cleaned houses or baby-sat or dug ditches.
They just got put out of business by CHEAP-LABOR! funny part is...their not even cheap anymore. My friend told me he went to go buy one for the day and the guy wanted 15 bucks an hour for painting and light yard work. He told him to Fcuk off
And most people are tired of hearing the lame simple argument you just put out.
Every one of us has heard from our brother or cousin or uncle or a friend or at the barbershop a tale "proving" WE are right.
I know a guy whose brother has a bowling buddy that has a sister than was married to an illegal alien Mexican jazz guitarist in Tulsa whose second cousin in Juarez worked in the U.S. and sent money back each month for 12 years, then once he turned 65 went home to Mexico to collect U.S. Social Security checks and enjoy the proceeds of the half a million dollars that accumulated in the bank from the deposits of the money he sent back home every month that he earned at $15 an hour.
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: It was yielding to The Church that permitted the rampant curruption and it is The Church, not socialism (which, there, is the only faction that dares defy The Church) that prevents them from "shaping up".
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Your posts really show how little you don't know... The Church may have some influence in Latin America but it does not by any means control politics in said countries.... I been to two Latin American countries and i can say confidently that the Church has no control in Costa Rica and Nicaragua... you just come up with sh*t out of your azz... and you don't think socialism is prevalent? it is spreading in Venezuela and Bolivia... I also suspect it's a matter of time before it returns in Nicaragua especially since Daniel Ortega was elected president again.. he happens to be friends with Chavez, Castro and Bolivia's leader.... if were not careful Socialism will be another problem in Latin America other then illegal immigration...
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: It was yielding to The Church that permitted the rampant curruption and it is The Church, not socialism (which, there, is the only faction that dares defy The Church) that prevents them from "shaping up".
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Your posts really show how little you don't know... The Church may have some influence in Latin America but it does not by any means control politics in said countries.... I been to two Latin American countries and i can say confidently that the Church has no control in Costa Rica and Nicaragua... you just come up with sh*t out of your azz... and you don't think socialism is prevalent? it is spreading in Venezuela and Bolivia... I also suspect it's a matter of time before it returns in Nicaragua especially since Daniel Ortega was elected president again.. he happens to be friends with Chavez, Castro and Bolivia's leader.... if were not careful Socialism will be another problem in Latin America other then illegal immigration...
Spoken like a tried and true assumer of the "facts" of popular urban legends and other wishings and desires.
But thank you for your sharing vast knowledge with we illiterates and lesser mamals.
Here is the results of a Canadian study on conditions in Cost Rica in the 1990s. Note that with almost every incident or concern reported on, there is the Catholic Church directing the Government, the Legislature, the courts, the police, etc., how to act or not to act. The Catholic Church is the officially recognized religion in Costa Rico.
In the case of Nicaragua, the subject of the influence on the Government by the Catholic Church has been one of concerted study for decades. Here is one brief link, there are MANY on the net, from highly credible authors and study groups.
Perhaps you are a proud Catholic and were taught in near infancy that the Church cannot be wrong and that enables you to overlook its abuses of the Latin American peoples. (It happened to a lot of us.) I don't know that to be the fact, but I do know that the ill effects of the Catholic Church on the whole of the Americas south of our border is one that has been documented and thoroughly investigated and results that show the reasons for the concern.
"if were not careful Socialism will be another problem in Latin America"
Socialism isn't the problem in Latin America. It is, in those countries, the abuses of it that is a problem (socialism does not base itself on non-democracy) and, for us and how those nations view us, our unwarranted assumption that socialism and corruption are equivalent, followed by us dictating to them how to "correct" or "un-corrupt" things, only hardens their resolve toward anti-Americanism.
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And most people are tired of hearing the lame simple argument you just put out.
Every one of us has heard from our brother or cousin or uncle or a friend or at the barbershop a tale "proving" WE are right.
I know a guy whose brother has a bowling buddy that has a sister than was married to an illegal alien Mexican jazz guitarist in Tulsa whose second cousin in Juarez worked in the U.S. and sent money back each month for 12 years, then once he turned 65 went home to Mexico to collect U.S. Social Security checks and enjoy the proceeds of the half a million dollars that accumulated in the bank from the deposits of the money he sent back home every month that he earned at $15 an hour.
There outta be a law!!! [/QB][/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? You're telling me you think this is ALL RUMOR? Trust me, I had the pleasure of working with a bunch when I was a younger lad. The bulk of their money goes to MEHECO whats left goes to the miniscule rent they pay (theirs about a dozen of them shacked up in a one bedroom) and booze.
You livin in a bubble? Are you that sheltered down there?
Come up here and ill take you a few miles from my house and drop you off. Their you can try to explain to them "in english" how you support their fight here...as they cut you up and leave you for the kids to play with...
Get yo head out yo azzz theres been some severe changes over the last 5, yes'um thats right 5 years. When it comes to the amount of illegals here.
Tell me im exaggerating then Go drum up some DNC bogus numbers on the subject and try to explain to US how the low-ball numbers of the UNACCOUNTED for are accurate.
REMEMBER THE ALAMO? OH THATS RIGHT....YOU WERE THERE!!!
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Here you go.. a nice quote from your buddy thats been pretty much on target with uhhhhhh nothing
While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.
case closed
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: It was yielding to The Church that permitted the rampant curruption and it is The Church, not socialism (which, there, is the only faction that dares defy The Church) that prevents them from "shaping up".
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Your posts really show how little you don't know... The Church may have some influence in Latin America but it does not by any means control politics in said countries.... I been to two Latin American countries and i can say confidently that the Church has no control in Costa Rica and Nicaragua... you just come up with sh*t out of your azz... and you don't think socialism is prevalent? it is spreading in Venezuela and Bolivia... I also suspect it's a matter of time before it returns in Nicaragua especially since Daniel Ortega was elected president again.. he happens to be friends with Chavez, Castro and Bolivia's leader.... if were not careful Socialism will be another problem in Latin America other then illegal immigration...
Spoken like a tried and true assumer of the "facts" of popular urban legends and other wishings and desires.
But thank you for your sharing vast knowledge with we illiterates and lesser mamals.
Here is the results of a Canadian study on conditions in Cost Rica in the 1990s. Note that with almost every incident or concern reported on, there is the Catholic Church directing the Government, the Legislature, the courts, the police, etc., how to act or not to act. The Catholic Church is the officially recognized religion in Costa Rico.
In the case of Nicaragua, the subject of the influence on the Government by the Catholic Church has been one of concerted study for decades. Here is one brief link, there are MANY on the net, from highly credible authors and study groups.
Perhaps you are a proud Catholic and were taught in near infancy that the Church cannot be wrong and that enables you to overlook its abuses of the Latin American peoples. (It happened to a lot of us.) I don't know that to be the fact, but I do know that the ill effects of the Catholic Church on the whole of the Americas south of our border is one that has been documented and thoroughly investigated and results that show the reasons for the concern.
"if were not careful Socialism will be another problem in Latin America"
Socialism isn't the problem in Latin America. It is, in those countries, the abuses of it that is a problem (socialism does not base itself on non-democracy) and, for us and how those nations view us, our unwarranted assumption that socialism and corruption are equivalent, followed by us dictating to them how to "correct" or "un-corrupt" things, only hardens their resolve toward anti-Americanism.
You've got to be kidding with this crap. Your nothing more than a liberal Catholic basher. You've blamed every social ill in Costa Rica on the Catholic Church and this article is your sorry source. I actually read this garbage and the only reference to the church is by some guy named Bruce, I hardly think this guy's mention of the Catholic church in two paragraphs of this ridiculous article constitutes enough evidence to blame the catholic church for anything wrong in Costa Rica or anywhere else in Central America.
You try and pass yourself off as some kind of intellectual, when all you are is some bow tie wearing know it all with your pants jacked up your rear end. Stick to your rants about how much you think you know about the constitution.
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"Are you kidding me? You're telling me you think this is ALL RUMOR?"
No, not rumor.....FICTION.
"Trust me, I had the pleasure of working with a bunch when I was a younger lad."
I have worked with them all my life, so I don't need you to tell me about them.
I do trust you. Surely you believe the slant you profess. But that doesn't make it true.
"Come up here and ill take you a few miles from my house and drop you off. Their you can try to explain to them "in english" how you support their fight here."
I don't support their "fight".
Hell, of all those I know, not a single one has any interest in any "fight" and sure as the devil doesn't want to be engaged in one.
You need to stop assuming you know or understand people not leaning on the same end of the rope you are pulling.
Nope, wasn't at the Alamo, but I had forbears at both Goliad and San Jacinto and later on some that drew black beans (doubt you have ever heard of those).
(Before you get to claiming superiority, out of ignorance, I had some named Adams involved in The Boston tea Party and some others at Valley Forge).
Rim, I don't have a dog in "this fight".
Moreover, I don't think "this fight" is an appropriate way to go about trying to decide the future of the Nation. "This fight" is nothing but another artificial smoke screen to hide ugly realities from the people.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lockman: ____________________________________________________ You've got to be kidding with this crap. Your nothing more than a liberal Catholic basher. You've blamed every social ill in Costa Rica on the Catholic Church and this article is your sorry source. I actually read this garbage and the only reference to the church is by some guy named Bruce, I hardly think this guy's mention of the Catholic church in two paragraphs of this ridiculous article constitutes enough evidence to blame the catholic church for anything wrong in Costa Rica or anywhere else in Central America.
You try and pass yourself off as some kind of intellectual, when all you are is some bow tie wearing know it all with your pants jacked up your rear end. Stick to your rants about how much you think you know about the constitution. ______________________________________________________________
Simply because a person isn't playing the tune taught to theme by the Catholic nuns when he was still too innocent to form his own thoughts and opinions does not constitute catholic bashing.
The Catholic Church has fostered most of the wars that have happened and involved the western world since it became influential, and almost all it fostered it dod so for devious and selfish reason.
Most of the illiteracy in the western world was forced on the people by the Catholic Church and then, the resulting abject poverty.
Your post point out that you do not read the materials you claim you do.
For example that "guy named Bruce", as you refer to him, passing him off as not worthy of consideration is identified as
"Bruce Harris, (Bruce) Executive Director of Covenant House Latin America (Casa Alianza) (Francisco Rico-Martinez) FRM".
Therein, Mr. Bruce's first mention of the Catholic Church is in reference to abuse and murder of women and the fact that the police do not investigate those abuses, where it is said, "The real problem is that the Catholic Church does not allow it to occur."
Later on, rthe second time Bruce referred to the Catholic church he said, "There is no education, even in the schools because the Church does not allow it. The Church has a lot of priests that abuse girls and boys. In the Don Bosco School, a 14-year-old girl went for confession and the priest abused her during her confession. A girl wrote a note complaining about the abuse and left it for her principal at the college. The priest was sent to Guadalajara. We found out that the Church has a place in Guadalajara for pedophile priests. They did nothing about the case. The girls began to get lower grades and her parents asked what was wrong with their girl.
Bruce made a third reference to the Church in response to the question, "Are there any repercussions for covering up a sexual abuse crime?", by saying, "There is a difference between theory and things carried out. The first is trying to prove that the principal covered up the crime, which is difficult. In this case it was not difficult because they found the girl's letter."
Then there is another page of sexual abuse cases discussed, all flowing from the fact that the Church, which is the official church of the country, refuses to allow investigations.
A later section of the report deals with mistreatment of people because of sexual orientation and it is said, "It was incorrectly characterized by the Catholic Church, which, being the official church of the state recommended to the President that international homosexuals not be allowed into the country."
"The problem is not political but it is also the huge influence that the church has within the Legislative Assembly. A call from the Archbishop goes a long way."
"The same happens in the Legislative Assembly. The Ministers, the church has too much power, it is involved in everything"
I have only pointed to a very few of the direct references in that article to the Catholic Church in Costa Rica and pointed out that they were not made " by some guy named Bruce", as if he were of no notice or stature, but by him and other actual authorities on Costa Rican relations with the Catholic Church.
I certainly have identified more than the two references to the Catholic Church you allow.
I don't think you read that article or you read it with a jaundiced eye. Are you a Catholic?
I don't rant, but you have clearly proved you do with your post ranting falsehoods and skewed accusations rather than fact or information and blurting foul language and hatred.
I don't post to offend (which you seem to do) and I don't wish to play silly games with a hothead.
By the way, I don't quite fit into the liberal category you hate so irrationally and don't quite make it as one of a right wingers you so passionately adore and follow.
To every extremist, I appear to be an opposite, because they see open minded discussion as opposition rather than interest.
I assume you consider yourself to be "some kind of intellectual" and thereby qualified to judge such.
So does dubya. He too considers himself to be a scholar and a scientist and a historian and an anthropologist and a meteorologist and a whole bunch of other things and beyond question and reproach. Pointing out his idiocy does not make me a democrat or a liberal or anything but honest. and open minded.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: boy, howdy... am lost...
tried to read a few posts back, but can't make sense...
anybody around to summarize?
I'll try Tex.
I cannot buy into either extreme and do not buy into the "immigration problem" being sufficiently serious to distract from things discussing immigration "smoke-screens"
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Lockman: ____________________________________________________ You've got to be kidding with this crap. Your nothing more than a liberal Catholic basher. You've blamed every social ill in Costa Rica on the Catholic Church and this article is your sorry source. I actually read this garbage and the only reference to the church is by some guy named Bruce, I hardly think this guy's mention of the Catholic church in two paragraphs of this ridiculous article constitutes enough evidence to blame the catholic church for anything wrong in Costa Rica or anywhere else in Central America.
You try and pass yourself off as some kind of intellectual, when all you are is some bow tie wearing know it all with your pants jacked up your rear end. Stick to your rants about how much you think you know about the constitution. ______________________________________________________________
Simply because a person isn't playing the tune taught to theme by the Catholic nuns when he was still too innocent to form his own thoughts and opinions does not constitute catholic bashing.
The Catholic Church has fostered most of the wars that have happened and involved the western world since it became influential, and almost all it fostered it dod so for devious and selfish reason.
Most of the illiteracy in the western world was forced on the people by the Catholic Church and then, the resulting abject poverty.
Your post point out that you do not read the materials you claim you do.
For example that "guy named Bruce", as you refer to him, passing him off as not worthy of consideration is identified as
"Bruce Harris, (Bruce) Executive Director of Covenant House Latin America (Casa Alianza) (Francisco Rico-Martinez) FRM".
Therein, Mr. Bruce's first mention of the Catholic Church is in reference to abuse and murder of women and the fact that the police do not investigate those abuses, where it is said, "The real problem is that the Catholic Church does not allow it to occur."
Later on, rthe second time Bruce referred to the Catholic church he said, "There is no education, even in the schools because the Church does not allow it. The Church has a lot of priests that abuse girls and boys. In the Don Bosco School, a 14-year-old girl went for confession and the priest abused her during her confession. A girl wrote a note complaining about the abuse and left it for her principal at the college. The priest was sent to Guadalajara. We found out that the Church has a place in Guadalajara for pedophile priests. They did nothing about the case. The girls began to get lower grades and her parents asked what was wrong with their girl.
Bruce made a third reference to the Church in response to the question, "Are there any repercussions for covering up a sexual abuse crime?", by saying, "There is a difference between theory and things carried out. The first is trying to prove that the principal covered up the crime, which is difficult. In this case it was not difficult because they found the girl's letter."
Then there is another page of sexual abuse cases discussed, all flowing from the fact that the Church, which is the official church of the country, refuses to allow investigations.
A later section of the report deals with mistreatment of people because of sexual orientation and it is said, "It was incorrectly characterized by the Catholic Church, which, being the official church of the state recommended to the President that international homosexuals not be allowed into the country."
"The problem is not political but it is also the huge influence that the church has within the Legislative Assembly. A call from the Archbishop goes a long way."
"The same happens in the Legislative Assembly. The Ministers, the church has too much power, it is involved in everything"
I have only pointed to a very few of the direct references in that article to the Catholic Church in Costa Rica and pointed out that they were not made " by some guy named Bruce", as if he were of no notice or stature, but by him and other actual authorities on Costa Rican relations with the Catholic Church.
I certainly have identified more than the two references to the Catholic Church you allow.
I don't think you read that article or you read it with a jaundiced eye. Are you a Catholic?
I don't rant, but you have clearly proved you do with your post ranting falsehoods and skewed accusations rather than fact or information and blurting foul language and hatred.
I don't post to offend (which you seem to do) and I don't wish to play silly games with a hothead.
By the way, I don't quite fit into the liberal category you hate so irrationally and don't quite make it as one of a right wingers you so passionately adore and follow.
To every extremist, I appear to be an opposite, because they see open minded discussion as opposition rather than interest.
I assume you consider yourself to be "some kind of intellectual" and thereby qualified to judge such.
So does dubya. He too considers himself to be a scholar and a scientist and a historian and an anthropologist and a meteorologist and a whole bunch of other things and beyond question and reproach. Pointing out his idiocy does not make me a democrat or a liberal or anything but honest. and open minded.
Are you Catholic? You now have the church starting wars? You make all these claims and your source is an article from 1990 by some unknown Canadian named Bruce. This is poor even by your anti-american standards.
And of course you had to put in a reference about how much you hate our President.
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I never claimed that the Catholic Church ever started any war, so lets get the facts straight.
However, when I point out that it has created the atmosphere and served willingly as a reason for wars through centuries. I don't state that based on some one or some single citing, as you seem to want to leave as an insult. It is a matter of long accepted and soundly established historical fact, needing no reference citing by me or any other person (much like the fact that the Earth revolves about the Sun needs no reference citing).
Are you so dismissive of history that you can ignore the Crusades? The rape of the Americas for the glory of the Church and claiming it's wealth for the coffers of European Church sponsered royalty?
What about Nicaragua? Are you dismissing that war, too?
I'm sorry, but you are showing your bias or ignorance....or both.
I don't hate Bush. I do hate the fascism he promotes, as any honest and patriotic American should.
So, since you are pointedly ignoring the question, while quoting it without answer, I can assume you are, indeed, Catholic and I can understand your inability to evaluate the Church and its activities without the instilled bigotry of early childhood indoctrination that the Church cannot be wrong, that requires you to insist any statement, question, or thought otherwise isn't allowed. (Of course, that means Galilio was wrong and the Sun orbits the earth and Joan of Arc was a witch and England was supposed to be conquered by the Spanish Armada.)
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by Bdgee The Catholic Church has fostered most of the wars that have happened and involved the western world since it became influential, and almost all it fostered it dod so for devious and selfish reason.
I don't know, this statement sure indicates you feel the Church is starting wars. Do you follow any religion? Or are you a non-believer?
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It is clear you aren't able to read or don't want to.
Your interpretation is like declaring that someone that knowingly drives a car without functioning brakes is innocent of the wreck that resulted when he couldn't stop for a traffic light. He caused the the situation that made the wreck inevitable, i,e,. he fostered the results.
I was long ago made a member of a world wide established religion and remain recognised by that religion as a member.
I have my beliefs, and one tenet, thereof, is that I do NOTHING to foster its acceptance by others....a corollary is that I do not advertise or promote it, in any way. The world would have been so very much better off had yours been so generous.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: It is clear you aren't able to read or don't want to.
Your interpretation is like declaring that someone that knowingly drives a car without functioning brakes is innocent of the wreck that resulted when he couldn't stop for a traffic light. He caused the the situation that made the wreck inevitable, i,e,. he fostered the results.
I was long ago made a member of a world wide established religion and remain recognised by that religion as a member.
I have my beliefs, and one tenet, thereof, is that I do NOTHING to foster its acceptance by others....a corollary is that I do not advertise or promote it, in any way. The world would have been so very much better off had yours been so generous.
So what the heck are you saying, Is the catholic church starting wars. YES or NO. Stop dancing around the subject and answer it.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "Are you kidding me? You're telling me you think this is ALL RUMOR?"
No, not rumor.....FICTION.
I don't support their "fight".
Hell, of all those I know, not a single one has any interest in any "fight" and sure as the devil doesn't want to be engaged in one.
Rim, I don't have a dog in "this fight".
Moreover, I don't think "this fight" is an appropriate way to go about trying to decide the future of the Nation. "This fight" is nothing but another artificial smoke screen to hide ugly realities from the people.
Im not talking about the people that came over 10-15 years ago....Theirs a differrent breed coming over now. Im not gonna get into this discussion again about the B team...
THE ONE THATS NOT COMING HERE TO WORK! The ones that heard of our systems and it vulnerabilities. THE "VATOS" THAT ARE HERE STRICTLY TO EXPLOIT.
I cant help but be distracted by this THEIR ALL OVER THE PLACE!
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