posted
The following are excerpts from an investigation by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba (which was ordered by Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of Joint Task Force-7. (Complete text of the Taguba report is posted at the MSNBC site.) **************** In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses
a. Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;
b. Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
c. Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
d. Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;
e. Threatening male detainees with rape;
f. Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;
g. Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.
h. Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.
(T)he intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts:
a. Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;
b. Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;
c. Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;
d. Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;
e. Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear;
f. Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
g. Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;
h. Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and pen1s to simulate electric torture;
i. Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
j. Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;
k. A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;
l. Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;
m. Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.
These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and witness statements.
The various detention facilities operated by the 800th MP Brigade have routinely held persons brought to them by Other Government Agencies (OGAs) without accounting for them, knowing their identities, or even the reason for their detention. The Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center (JIDC) at Abu Ghraib called these detainees “ghost detainees.”
On at least one occasion, the 320th MP Battalion at Abu Ghraib held a handful of “ghost detainees” (6-8) for OGAs that they moved around within the facility to hide them from a visiting International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) survey team. This maneuver was deceptive, contrary to Army Doctrine, and in violation of international law.
-------------------- "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
posted
h. Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.
l. Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee.
____________________________________
TIP:
Proof-Read. Don't just spell check...
-------------------- One is never completely useless. One can always serve as a bad example.
IP: Logged |
posted
This is not an error. These are similar accounts from two different witnesses. Are you slow?
quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: h. Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.
l. Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee.
____________________________________
TIP:
Proof-Read. Don't just spell check...
-------------------- "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
posted
Ahmadinejad appears to be more reasonable than Bush...
LONDON - Iran on Wednesday freed the 15 detained British sailors and marines in what President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called an Easter gift to the British people. Prime Minister Tony Blair said he bore “no ill will” toward the Iranian people.
posted
Once again GB turning a blind eye....What about this poor Brit?
By Al Webb THE WASHINGTON TIMES April 13, 2007
The young seaman complained that during his capture, the Iranians stole his IPod and he conceded that he had cried himself to sleep after his captors nicknamed him "Mr. Bean," a comically nerdish figure in British entertainment. To his dismay, his critics back home have now eagerly seized on it. "It's perfectly fair to criticize Mr. Bean," said one Rum Ration contributor. "Not for being unattractive ... but for being a complete numpty wimp who blubbed [cried] when they took his iPod, blubbed when they flicked the back of his neck, blubbed when they called him Mr. Bean and asked Faye for a big huggy-wuggy when they met up." Another suggested on the British Army Rumour Service site that "Mr. Bean will be known as that for the rest of his life, so I hope the cash was worth it."
-------------------- "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication"
IP: Logged |
posted
OMG...you really think iran was going to do what they normally do to prisoners with the WHOLE WORLD watching them? please...i cant believe this is being compared
gordon you are portraying a sick comparison as if iran is some humble nation.
does everyone forget they still stone people to death in iran? i cant even imagine torture chambers there...
and i cant imagine a war with iran and usa and how soldiers would be treated in iranian prisons.
-------------------- It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.
IP: Logged |
posted
Hostage Roeder: "Ahmadinejad Threatened to Kidnap My Son" The newly elected president of Iran has been accused of being involved in the 1980 American hostage crisis. Former hostage David Roeder, 66, told SPIEGEL ONLINE, that Ahmadinejad threatened to kidnap his handicapped son and cut off his fingers and toes. "You don't forget someone like that," the former Assistant Air Force Attache says. Roeder: I decided that initially I wasn't going to respond in any way, shape or form. They had me handcuffed to a chair and at least during the first few sessions, blindfolded as well. But once the blindfold came off, they had developed a plan that Ahmadinejad was instigating.----------------------- yes the Iranian president is a real swell guy!, they realy know how to make a prisoner feel comfortable!!!! the Iranians are no saints! and as for abu graib - yes it WAS wrong to photograph the abuse of prisoners how ever it should be born in mind that although the propogandist media neglected to say so the fact is that the prisoners who were abused were themselves FAR from saints! they were for the most part the worst of the worst! KNOWN rapists and murderers of thier own and our people! they were scum and probably should have been shot for thier crimes!!! ( and would have been under sadams rule!! without a doubt!!!) all things considered I can understand why it happened when you stop to remember what was heppening to AMERICAN prisoners at the time, who were being executed, tortured and beheaded!! before we get all misty eyed over the abuse of prisoners we might take a moment to remember THEM ( U.S. servicemen ) and nick berg a civilian contractor who was beheaded on camera along with too many others or those poor b*st*rds in falluja who were killed, burned ( maybe alive for all we know ) and hung by thier necks at the bridge leading into falluja! not to mention the THOUSANDS of civilians who have been and continue to be slaughtered daily in Iraq! in the name of allah!. we should have taken the gloves off after falluja or before when berg was killed! this is what you get for trying to wage a "kinder gentler" war!!( no such thing) and remember the Iranians used chemical weapons in thier war against Iraq and commited attricies that would make hitler sqeamish!! the media has brainwashed america. the best friend the insugents have is the U.S. evening news!! how very sad!!!
IP: Logged |
posted
the best friend the insugents have is the U.S. evening news!! how very sad!!!
these kinds of statements really don't make sense to me folks...
the most basic thing the terrorists (Islamic Fundamentalists) really want is to control ALL of the information to and the sensory input to their followers...
if the media had REALLY done their job after 9-11 we would NOT have invaded Iraq (because nobody asked Bush how he got his "intel") and our powder would still be dry right now..
the fact is? the media was all happy about getting to be embedded in the invasion... the fact is the media didn't ask enough questions about how Bush was making his decisions...
of course Iran is our enemy and of course we have to be prepared to make war on them, but the real problem is that very few people (worldwide)trust Bush and Cheney any more.. tha is not the fault of the media that is Bush's own fault.. no-one elses....
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise.
IP: Logged |
posted
GLASSMAN writes --------- "the fact is? the media was all happy about getting to be embedded in the invasion... the fact is the media didn't ask enough questions about how Bush was making his decisions..." -------------------- think about this statement! -- why did we allow the media to be "embedded"?? it occures to me that it was done because we TRUELY BELEIVED WMD`s would be found!! we WANTED embedded madia ONSITE when it happened so no one could accuse us of "planting them". but we did not find them. and even IF we did find them now maybe hidden in some vast burried secret bunker, who would beleive it? the REASONING for the war was sound. the reasons (publicly presented proofs) were not. the war was poorly prosocuted, polotics and public opinion have influenced tactics and objectives, for that the president and his commanders on the ground are to blame. when you are in command - COMMAND!!!! or step aside!! war is brutal. it should be fought BRUTALLY, so as to end it as soon as possible!. we have the power to win but lack the will to use that power decisively! and now it`s too late! so the question becomes, how do we exit this fiasco without criticaly damaging the credibility of U.S. military deterence in the eyes of the world?
IP: Logged |
posted
it is possible that you are correct about Bush believing the WMD would be found....
it is most likely that the Joint Chiefs wanted the rest of the world to see for itself that we could really roll to Baghdad in record time..(which we did)... it was a well-calculated threat to Iran, Lebanon and Syria, and it had impact.
you'll find that the President was probably lied to by people hand-picked and carefully promoted into position by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and a few others...
Geroge Tennette has admitted that he "garanteed" we'd find them, but Tennette was in a private battle with Cheney which still isn't very clear... for some reason Cheney has had a real problem with the CIA for years (since he was SecDef) which doesn't seem right because HAL has often (according to rumour) been a front for CIA ops... something personal musta happened ... Daddy Bush had good relations with the CIA... so Dubya was caught "in between"" a couple opposing factions... the "Commanders on the Ground" over there right now are hand-picked too... so when Bush and Cheney stand up and tell you to listen to the commanders on the ground? they are really saying "let me do whatever i want"...
the "liberal media" is owned by Disney, GE, Time Warner and well? they just aren't liberal corporations....
the terrorists really are out to destroy freedom of speech...
Collin Powell agreed with you (and me) about use your power and get the job DONE, then leave... he's out now
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise.
IP: Logged |
posted
ya, much journalismismismismos teeth-gnashing behind the scenes re embedded...what I personally noticed? Was in the Knight Ridder "war room" in downtown D.C. shortly after the public learned it was game-on... the KR columnist who wrote We were Soldiers... was right there in the room, his back to south-facing window...gave the Pentagon wheels total hell, daily, if not hourly--and broke the story re hitting the back of supply lines
my point? was he "too old, too-old-school, martini-lunch" to be embedded? Or was he too valuable to risk embedding....
-------------------- Nashoba Holba Chepulechi Adventures in microcapitalism...
IP: Logged |
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
Printer-friendly view of this topic
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
