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So then you have no comment as far as the source of the "Presidential IQ" being totally bogus?

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I did respond to it, you jerk. And there is no excuse for you to make misleading and derogatory inferences to try to make yourself look good. No matter what, you have a quite ugly attitude and a rude demenor.

Can't you read either?

I NEVER accepted thaat lit of proposed IQs as valid.

Just in case you missed it (or didn't miss it, but can't understand, as is your normal state), look back at the 7:19 am post.

You really do need to learn to pay attention to something other than the garbage from the RNC.

Even more, you need to stop being a pain and learn some manners and respect for those not cloned to be parrots of the RNC.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
I did respond to it, you jerk. And there is no excuse for you to make misleading and derogatory inferences to try to make yourself look good. No matter what, you have a quite ugly attitude and a rude demenor.


Where as you, Bdgee, are as eager to delight as always.
At some point you must let the bitterness pass and sleep it off.

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As is normally the case, R, like NR, you have butted in with irrelavent nonsense and egotistical assessment where you weren't invited, offering unwanted attack in order to cause trouble.

but, what the h--, you live in your own little world of bitterness and ego and have little to offer other than crude unsubstantiated and insulting innuendo.

I won't suggest you sleep off what clearly is a personality flaw.

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well atleast you have avoided namecalling
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Chickenhawks:
Barking Head Brigade




Name: Rep. Joseph "Joe" Scarborough (R-FL)
Born: April 9, 1963
Employer: MSNBC
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: A former Republican congresman (1995-2002) turned MSNBC motormouth, Joe qualifies as a politician and a barking head. Where were you during Desert Storm, pal?




Name: Michael Savage
Born: Unk.
Employer: UNK.
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: We're not sure if this frothing lunatic is still on the air. Didn't he get canned for saying all gays should contract AIDS and die? If only he could have channeled all that animosity against Ho Chi Minh - we'd be selling Big Macs in Vietnam today!




Name: Michael Reagan
Born: March 18, 1946
Employer: Yack Radio
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: What are the odds anyone would know who he is if everybody didn't know who his daddy was? What are the odds he would have escaped the draft if his name had been Manual Rodriguez?




Name: William "Bill" O'Reilly
Born: 1949
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Bill O’Reilly loves to come off as a straight-talking, blue-collar kind of guy. Funny, a lot of guys who fit that description and graduated high school the same year he did - 1967 - went straight to Vietnam. Not our Bill - he went to college. And he didn’t just go to college, he spent his junior year, 1969-1970, in London. He graduated in 1971, briefly exposing him to the draft again, but Bill was miraculously spared.




Name: Rush Limbaugh
Born: 1951
Employer: Yack Radio
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Where to begin ... a joke about the Hindenburg? No, let's go right to the reason he had to stay home from the war - the world's most famous anal cyst. He's denied it, but www.snopes.com, the Urban Legends Reference Pages, has got the goods on him.




Name: David Limbaugh
Born: December 11, 1952
Employer: newspapers with low standards
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: David's no fool - he stayed in school! Straight from high school to college in '71, where he stayed 'till '75, when the war was safely over. Poly sci major, wouldn't you know? The least annoying of the Limbaugh brothers, but only because he's more obscure.




Name: Sean Hannity
Born: December, 1961
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Plenty of guys his age were in Desert Storm - what's his excuse?




Name: Rep. Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich (R-GA)
Born: June 17, 1943
Employer: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: A virtuoso in the art of hypocrisy, the former Speaker of the House now claims the Vietnam War was a splendid idea, but at the time he opposed going himself. Newtie also speaks highly of morality, but as a serial adulterer he doesn’t want to get too close to it himself.




Name: Frank Gaffney
Born: 1953
Employer: Indeterminate
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Frank here is a very clever boy. Built a thing called the Center for Security Policy, which apparently keeps him in nice suits so he will look good in front of the TV cameras, which can't seem to get enough of him. As far as we can tell, Frank is a freelance salesman for the defense industry who is paid by an elaborately circuitous process. For all his obsession with the military, it's funny he never served.




Name: Ann Coulter
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Critics will howl that a woman can’t be a chickenhawk. In Ann Coulter’s case, that doesn’t matter; anyone with her level of bellicosity deserves to be held to a higher standard.




Name: William "Bill" Bennett
Born: 1943
Employer: Empower America
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Bill's occupation used to be "public scold," but since his gambling habit was exposed, he's a little less noisy on that front. Bill's a triple-crown winner as a former bureaucrat, a propagandist, and a barking head. (All barking heads are propagandists, but not all propagandists are barking heads.)

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Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

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quote:
Originally posted by jat35:
Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Weird!
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I wonder what that means in relation to this topic
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right-wing,patriotic, b.s.?

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Could be....or about anything else.

Weird!

So many of those fruitcakes have tried to redefine "patriotism" to try to make it mean unquestioned obedience to the administration's and the republican party's lies and propaganda.


And that turns my stomach.

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quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
Chickenhawks:
Barking Head Brigade




Name: Rep. Joseph "Joe" Scarborough (R-FL)
Born: April 9, 1963
Employer: MSNBC
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: A former Republican congresman (1995-2002) turned MSNBC motormouth, Joe qualifies as a politician and a barking head. Where were you during Desert Storm, pal?




Name: Michael Savage
Born: Unk.
Employer: UNK.
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: We're not sure if this frothing lunatic is still on the air. Didn't he get canned for saying all gays should contract AIDS and die? If only he could have channeled all that animosity against Ho Chi Minh - we'd be selling Big Macs in Vietnam today!




Name: Michael Reagan
Born: March 18, 1946
Employer: Yack Radio
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: What are the odds anyone would know who he is if everybody didn't know who his daddy was? What are the odds he would have escaped the draft if his name had been Manual Rodriguez?




Name: William "Bill" O'Reilly
Born: 1949
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Bill O’Reilly loves to come off as a straight-talking, blue-collar kind of guy. Funny, a lot of guys who fit that description and graduated high school the same year he did - 1967 - went straight to Vietnam. Not our Bill - he went to college. And he didn’t just go to college, he spent his junior year, 1969-1970, in London. He graduated in 1971, briefly exposing him to the draft again, but Bill was miraculously spared.




Name: Rush Limbaugh
Born: 1951
Employer: Yack Radio
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Where to begin ... a joke about the Hindenburg? No, let's go right to the reason he had to stay home from the war - the world's most famous anal cyst. He's denied it, but www.snopes.com, the Urban Legends Reference Pages, has got the goods on him.




Name: David Limbaugh
Born: December 11, 1952
Employer: newspapers with low standards
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: David's no fool - he stayed in school! Straight from high school to college in '71, where he stayed 'till '75, when the war was safely over. Poly sci major, wouldn't you know? The least annoying of the Limbaugh brothers, but only because he's more obscure.




Name: Sean Hannity
Born: December, 1961
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Plenty of guys his age were in Desert Storm - what's his excuse?




Name: Rep. Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich (R-GA)
Born: June 17, 1943
Employer: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: A virtuoso in the art of hypocrisy, the former Speaker of the House now claims the Vietnam War was a splendid idea, but at the time he opposed going himself. Newtie also speaks highly of morality, but as a serial adulterer he doesn’t want to get too close to it himself.




Name: Frank Gaffney
Born: 1953
Employer: Indeterminate
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Frank here is a very clever boy. Built a thing called the Center for Security Policy, which apparently keeps him in nice suits so he will look good in front of the TV cameras, which can't seem to get enough of him. As far as we can tell, Frank is a freelance salesman for the defense industry who is paid by an elaborately circuitous process. For all his obsession with the military, it's funny he never served.




Name: Ann Coulter
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Critics will howl that a woman can’t be a chickenhawk. In Ann Coulter’s case, that doesn’t matter; anyone with her level of bellicosity deserves to be held to a higher standard.




Name: William "Bill" Bennett
Born: 1943
Employer: Empower America
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Bill's occupation used to be "public scold," but since his gambling habit was exposed, he's a little less noisy on that front. Bill's a triple-crown winner as a former bureaucrat, a propagandist, and a barking head. (All barking heads are propagandists, but not all propagandists are barking heads.)

And what does this have to do with this topic?

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It has to do with pointing out that our idiot president chooses to surround himself with cowards that lie about their warrior status and knowledge.

A real bunch of brave he-man save the world (but me first) geniouses, aren't they?

Ain'tcha proud of 'em!

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Mistake number 2 is coming up soon. Whats in store for Iraq and what will happen to Iran.

What will happen here at home as a result.

I really think 2007 will be a year to remmber in America and the Mid East.

I am 57 years old and I had a teacher in the 6th grade who told us students that it would be the mid East that would be our biggest challenege as a country, and pure trouble for the rest of the world.

IMHO it all boils down to the best oil in the world and it is already developed and pumping. The people of the Mid East just happen to be sitting on it and the world not only wants it but they need it.

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What we should have been pouring billions into, instead of dubya's war, is research and developement of fuel cells, hydrogen storage and delivery, solar energy capture, wind capture, more efficient and simply MORE capture of energy via natural water movent (how very many dams do we have that must allow constant or near constant water flow, but do not turn any generator), etc,......

Energy independence, not just from the mid-east, but from fossil fuel, isn't a goal, it is a necessity. There simply are too many of the things that a modern world, with multi-billions of humans, requires that are made from petroleum and coal to continue burning it to heat homes and move traffic.

For all you nay-sayers, I don't speak of these things without the background to do so. I have been involved in studies of such things for decades and, so far, have never heard any objection raised that is based on anything that is not either ignorance ot prejudice. There is sufficient solar power in ever hiden corner of the U.S. (and the whole world) to make capturing it practical and affordable. Hydrogen burns, can explode and truely is dangerous, but not nearly so dangerous as gasoline, fuel oil, or natural gas (or any of the other low carbon count gases).

Appeals to convert to some other combustion process that burns some different petroleum or coal derived but cleaner burning hydrocarbon or hydrocarbon from some other source ignore the facts of global warming (which even dubya's yes-men are beginning to admit is real and dangerous in the extreme).

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President Carter tried to put us on that path in 1977.

He was laughed at mostly by the Reagan supporters and when Ronnie was elected President he even took down the solar pannels on the White house that Carter had installed. Carter was trying to show the country that he was serious about clean,reasonable fuel and power.

Just think if we would have kept with Carters plan and moved on it with all our good American know how. We would be energy indpendent today.

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quote:
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What we should have been pouring billions into, instead of dubya's war, is research and developement of fuel cells, hydrogen storage and delivery, solar energy capture, wind capture, more efficient and simply MORE capture of energy via natural water movent (how very many dams do we have that must allow constant or near constant water flow, but do not turn any generator), etc,......

Energy independence, not just from the mid-east, but from fossil fuel, isn't a goal, it is a necessity. There simply are too many of the things that a modern world, with multi-billions of humans, requires that are made from petroleum and coal to continue burning it to heat homes and move traffic.

For all you nay-sayers, I don't speak of these things without the background to do so. I have been involved in studies of such things for decades and, so far, have never heard any objection raised that is based on anything that is not either ignorance ot prejudice. There is sufficient solar power in ever hiden corner of the U.S. (and the whole world) to make capturing it practical and affordable. Hydrogen burns, can explode and truely is dangerous, but not nearly so dangerous as gasoline, fuel oil, or natural gas (or any of the other low carbon count gases).

Appeals to convert to some other combustion process that burns some different petroleum or coal derived but cleaner burning hydrocarbon or hydrocarbon from some other source ignore the facts of global warming (which even dubya's yes-men are beginning to admit is real and dangerous in the extreme).

Hey brainiac...

Still wondering what makes you so sure this "global warming" is caused by humans, rather than being a result of a natural cycle of the Earth, Sun or some other force aren't aware of yet....

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What I like about posting on the Presidents IQ board is when it comes to good old George W. Bush there is not much to talk about
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Yeah, not much to say when all you do is beat a dead horse over and over again.....

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quote:
Originally posted by NaturalResources:Hey brainiac...

Still wondering what makes you so sure this "global warming" is caused by humans, rather than being a result of a natural cycle of the Earth, Sun or some other force aren't aware of yet....

there's this thing called CO2, it traps solar radiation...

it isn't complicated.... it's just "inconvenient" LOL...

every gallon of gasoline burned thru anything, say, a car engine, no matter how efficiently, produces over 15 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere... it's simple math...

here's natural gas, a very simple one, and easily the cleanest burning carbon based fuel : CH4 + 2xO2 = CO2 +2xH20
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"Still wondering what makes you so sure this "global warming" is caused by humans, rather than being a result of a natural cycle of the Earth, Sun or some other force aren't aware of yet...."

I guess you are going to be "still wondering" even longer, since explaing how the cow ate the cabbage and that's all the groceries there was in the cupboard makes supper just a dream, is too complicated a sequence of events for your mind to corral.

So, as you can plainly see, it would be easier to teach a three foot tall miget to dunk a basketball or to explain the "events and excitement" of sex to a virgin than to teach you what you are missing about global waarming.

"Dead horse", you say?

In case you are having difficulty understanding it, without any assistaance from the republican Supreme Court or even Katherine Harris, the democrats won a decisive victory in the November election and to still be pumping that BS you get from the extreme far right wing fanatics is whipping a dead horse a bit too long.

It is time for both you and dubya to let go of "stay the course" crap (under whatever guize you are repeating it) and grow up and face the music.

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99% of science agree that we are very harmful to the ecology of the world and it will soon reach the point of perment damage and affect our lives so very dearly. And may kill ourselves off.

Good luck to us no matter what you think you political battle is right or left,it does not mean a thing if we loose the planet.
Politics should be out of this battle. To bad that is not the case as we should all be focused on this one

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what i fail to understand is how so many people are DUPED into believing that the there is a choice between being "green" and having a strong, thriving economy...

there are many examples of this flawed thinking in history...

the South was convinced their economy would collapse without slaves... since they refused to deal with the problem in ANY way? their economy did collapse with the civil war...

it really comes down to people making a CONSCIOUS decision that resources and capital will be redirected to a different set of goals, and then just doing it...
the added costs associated with any new system are only expensive in a relative way... once the new technology permeates the system everyone bears the portion of the costs in a more or less equal fashion and the economy moves on...

in other words? the real choice isn't about how much it costs, it's about how the profits will be directed...

there is no question that CO2 levels are rising too fast for the botanical biomass of the world to re-sequester the C02...

that is what burning fossil fuels is doing, releasing previously sequestered C02 into the atmosphere.

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As long as we have oil barons in charge of the government there can be very little hope.

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I know that this sounds over simple but when you do open the doors and let new thinking and investment thrive. With the govnment ready to help all this you would be very surprised at the amount of jobs you would be creating.

Look for example the oil industry look at there new tax program billions and billions ofdollars that they never had. It just lines there pockets and they invest some where eles with that money.

If thoes tax dollars did not go to big oil but start up capitol and tax credits for the developement of new engery Ideas and improvement just think of how much that would do for our economy and health.

Why look at this I live in Arizona this whole sate could be run on solar energy at or current tech. levels.

suppose what people would come up with if they could run free with it and get protection of there Idea's

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