By Anne Applebaum Tuesday, December 12, 2006; Page A27
Yesterday the Iranian Foreign Ministry held an international conference. Nothing unusual in that: Foreign ministries hold conferences, mostly dull ones, all the time. But this one was different. For one, "Review of the Holocaust: Global Vision" dealt with history, not current politics. Instead of the usual suspects -- deputy ministers and the like -- the invitees seem to have included David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan leader; Georges Theil, a Frenchman who has called the Holocaust "an enormous lie"; and Fredrick Toeben, a German-born Australian whose specialty is the denial of Nazi gas chambers.
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Haven't heard David Dukes name in quite a long time. Used to live 5 miles from him when I was in Shreveport, La. At the time he was in Bossier City. Really nice house and plot of land. Nothing good to say about him...
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I'm sure he had one. He spends a lot of time in Europe. He teaches at a Ukraine University as well. Also does a lot of interviews all over Europe. I think he was recently in Budapest, Flanders, and Hungaria. I read his speech off his site that he gave in Iran. Says he isn't denying the holocaust. In his speech he says he doesn't take a stand either way on it and it should be up to historians to decide/debate. He biggest gripe it sounds like is that people he knows who question whether the official death toll of 6 million is correct, have been locked up in jail for just saying that not as many people may have died as it is written. www.davidduke.com
quote:Originally posted by glassman: well? if he didn't get one? he might have some trouble getting back in the USA.. that would be a good thing IMO
thing is? they passed those laws because the atrocities committed were institutionalised..
the laws are there to remind people that when you perpetrate atrocities as a nation? you lose something... in this case a certain amount of free speech.. just as a felon loses the right to gun ownership and voting (in most states) here in th eUS...
it's a meager attempt, but an attempt nonetheless to define a "natioanl conscience"
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: the laws are there to remind people that when you perpetrate atrocities as a nation? you lose something... in this case a certain amount of free speech..
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well GB, i don't think we can equate the Holacaust with Removing Sadam. You know i have issues with how it was done, and who lied, but there is no comparison IMO....
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The holocuast was very real and all know this, all thinking people, in case anybody tries to rewrite history which seems to be the thing to do latley. here is what I say
The only proof that I need is my Fathers first hand eye wittness he saw the death camps in WWII. His outfit liberated some of them he said it was terrible tears were filling every American soldiers eyes that saw.
At that time he said nobody had to say anything,they really understood at that time why they were there.
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A lot of these people do not question people died, or that a "Holocaust" happened. They want to debate the matter in which people had died/or were killed, and they want to be able to debate the "official story" without having to go to jail for it. Because of this, from the start they are labeled as "Holocaust Deiners" when in fact that is not true at all. I see nothing wrong in debating the facts in past war, and in fact see that as a good thing. Just think if it was off limits for us to critize/question the Iraq war and to do so would put you in jail. Kinda sucks.
quote:Originally posted by bond006: The holocuast was very real and all know this, all thinking people, in case anybody tries to rewrite history which seems to be the thing to do latley. here is what I say
The only proof that I need is my Fathers first hand eye wittness he saw the death camps in WWII. His outfit liberated some of them he said it was terrible tears were filling every American soldiers eyes that saw.
At that time he said nobody had to say anything,they really understood at that time why they were there.
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I find it interesting that the conference for "free speech" was held in a country with the death penalty for homosexuals.... or is that more Zionist Lies? sheesh...
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I know, kinda funny. IMO the only reason why Iran's President held this conference was to piss off the US, Israel, and Europe. I mean come on...
It is written a lot in the papers about how repressive the Iranian government is. The point I think he was trying to make is your (America, Europe) freedom is not that free either. You lock people up for talking too! Of course that is not how he said it though.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: I find it interesting that the conference for "free speech" was held in a country with the death penalty for homosexuals.... or is that more Zionist Lies? sheesh...
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The deaths of approximately 2,000 American soldiers and 50,000 Iraqi civilians (so far) resulting from Bush's unprovoked attack and invasion of a sovereign nation does warrant sanctions and a thorough investigation though, don't you think?
(Let's not forget the hundred thousand or so wounded as well.)
quote:Originally posted by glassman: well GB, i don't think we can equate the Holacaust with Removing Sadam. You know i have issues with how it was done, and who lied, but there is no comparison IMO....
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well i think i will be flayed to differ. the atrocities of hitler are in my opinion been the worst kind of systematic extermination committed in modern history.. the total death toll falls close to almost 20M , and included a variety of races and religions including jews, poles, russians, serbs, and many other east european christians. having a sane discussion about it in my opinion should be allowed. i dont think people should be gagged when they speak for or against it. I see all these bush's and blair's, screaming on very organizing of the holocaust conference. however, i dont see similar outrage when japanese prime minister visits japanese war shrines. arguably, around 30-50M south east asians were victims of thier atrocities, and the heads of those states are still allowed to honour the perpetrators of those crimes. double standards or one genocide is inferior to another..
lets face the facts.. we are fighting for isreals agenda and are fighting its wars.
david duke is full of himself and I have never been his fan, yet he still has to be admired for showing some courage to stand upto all power american media. here is his interview with wolf blitzer.
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: The deaths of approximately 2,000 American soldiers and 50,000 Iraqi civilians (so far) resulting from Bush's unprovoked attack and invasion of a sovereign nation does warrant sanctions and a thorough investigation though, don't you think?
(Let's not forget the hundred thousand or so wounded as well.)
quote:Originally posted by glassman: well GB, i don't think we can equate the Holacaust with Removing Sadam. You know i have issues with how it was done, and who lied, but there is no comparison IMO....
i patiently await justice GB... starting with a full accounting of how the intel was (mis)handled and why the Plame affair happened.
We'll see what happens with Libby first.
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Iran is just furthering their own agenda in this conference. The point is to remove Israel from the area completely. Denying the reason for it being re-created in the first place is just another way to put pressure on Israel and be seen as a regional power that dares to defy.
Any non-doubter who is just looking for a safe place to discuss the topic should examine the secondary motives of this meeting and wait for another venue.
If Iran is serious about taking Israel down militarily they will need to make a move within the next 5 years while they are still seen as a dominant power. After Iraq starts to regain footing and world attention begins to shift Iran will lose much of their influence.
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