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For all those religious fanatics that keep claiming reading and understanding of the bible is required before arguments against it is acceptable, read this!
It has always been true that the bible thumpers attack Darwin without any knowledge of his work other than hearsay from other biased sources, while those who advocate evolution are not unfamiliar with the bible.
This will give the bible thumpers a chance at a level playing field.
Anyway, Darwin is a splendid read and just the expansion of one's horizon and scope is a worthy and pleasing passtime.
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OK... for those of you that say we have never observed the "evolution" of a new species?
i have two simple examples:
Lions and tigers...
they can breed together to produce tigons and ligers... yet they are differnt species..
Male ligers are sterile, but female ligers are fertile and can breed with tigers (resulting in ti-ligers) or to lions (resulting in li-ligers). Ti-ligers are more tiger-like, having a greater percentage of tiger genes. Li-ligers are more lion-like, having a greater percentage of lion genes. The fertility of hybrid big cat females is well-documented across a number of different hybrids. This is in accordance with Haldane's rule: in hybrids of animals whose gender is determined by sex chromosomes, if one gender is absent, rare or sterile, it is the heterogametic sex (the one with two different sex chromosomes e.g. X and Y).....
then you have horse and donkey which produce mules and hinnies....
while it is rare? there have been about 50 cases where female mules have successfully reproduced...
i propose the novel idea that these two cases are more than enough evidence to show that they are in the procees of speciation....
there are in fact dozens of examples in the Class Insectae... Kingdoma plantae has many many more...
Fungii are so indistinct in their "speciation" that mycologists have a hard time trying to define many of them...
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they have venom... them and shrews are the only mammals that (i know of) have venom...
mammal? yeah...
they produce milk. but have not got breasts.. they secrete milk thru pores in the skin..like ah well, like we sweat.... actually? milk is just a specailised sweat in all mammals..
evolutionary biologists believe that playtpi and other egg-laying mammals branched off the mammal line before the placental and marsupial mammals diverged from each other... egg-laying mammals are called monotremes...
i watched one of my all-time favorite movies from my child-hood again today... Creature From the Black Lagoon.... i havdn't seen it since the early 70's when i wa sin Jr high, but back then? we used to all wait for it to come on TV... we'd be talking iabout it for weeks at school waiting...
anyway? the movie is 1954... one of hte things they repeated several times is that the "creature" was an evolutionary "dead-end"...
several other animals were mentioned as being evolutionary dead-ends too...
i find it interesting: that use of the term dead-end could be applied to quite a few animals...
maybe? they aren't dead-ends at all.. maybe they don't NEED to evolve anymore.. no, i'm not suggesting they are perfect, just observing that they have no NEED to evvolve they are doing just fine in their current form and niche...
however? a good example of a creature that has evolved into such a specialised from and niche that it will probably become extinct is the Giant Panda Bear.. it is now so specailised that it can only eat bamboo shoots, and is endangered because it cannot can't find enough food and it requires a lot of privacy... DNA analysis of the giant panda compared with other bears shows a split from the main bear lineage 18 to 15 million years ago.
check out this pangolin:
pretty wild huh?
i guess having armadilloes around makes an armour plated mammal seem a little less odd...
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I think humans only use somthing like 2% of their brain capacity. Glass I think you are using at least 3%.lol
The oldest fossils of monotremes are closely related to the modern platypus. The Steropodon fossil is composed of an opalised lower jawbone with three molar teeth, and was discovered in New South Wales, Australia (whereas the contemporary platypus is toothless.) The fossil is thought to be about 110 million years old, which means that the platypus-like animal was alive during the Cretaceous period, around the time of the dinosaurs. It is the oldest mammal fossil found in Australia so far.The evolutionists generally theorize that the opossum was the primitive ancestor of the mammals before the continental breakup of a southern landmass called Gondwanaland. It is thought Australia and South America were once connected, and following geographic separation the opossum developed into the various marsupials which are now on Australia.
In the entire history of man, no one has ever been brainwashed and REALIZED OR BELIEVED that he had been brainwashed. I think somewhere in the bible and evolution we can co-exist. There is so much we don't know.
Darwin taught that many little changes over a long period of time will add up to big changes. Darwin predicted that the fossil record would either prove or falsify his theory. Darwin realized the difficulty the fossil record (missing links) gave his theory when he said, "Why, if species have descended from other species by fine graduation, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion, instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?" Today, top evolutionists know that Darwin's predictions of what the fossil record would reveal have failed.
I've read only 37 percent of the polled Americans were satisfied with allowing room for both God and Darwin—that is, divine initiative to get things started, evolution as the creative means. (This view, according to more than one papal pronouncement, is compatible with Roman Catholic dogma.) Still fewer Americans, only 12 percent, believed that humans evolved from other life-forms without any involvement of a god.
i think that the more you understand about how the universe works? the more in AWE you must become..
however? i have a hard time with folks saying you can do anything you want and get forgived..
i also have a hard time accepting that ther eis only one choice in the next life..heaven or hell..
i strongly beleive that God would grant reincarnation here to those that request it...
Mother Teresa? i bet she's already back, and at 7 or 8 yrs old? already working hard at puttin' herself in a position to make a difference to more people in need... not that she didn't already make a huge deposit in the Greater Universal Bank of Karma? but i doubt that she's interested in making a withdrawal.. i wouldn't blame her for it tho...
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i think that the more you understand about how the universe works? the more in AWE you must become..
however? i have a hard time with folks saying you can do anything you want and get forgived..
i also have a hard time accepting that ther eis only one choice in the next life..heaven or hell..
i strongly beleive that God would grant reincarnation here to those that request it...
Mother Teresa? i bet she's already back, and at 7 or 8 yrs old? already working hard at puttin' herself in a position to make a difference to more people in need... not that she didn't already make a huge deposit in the Greater Universal Bank of Karma? but i doubt that she's interested in making a withdrawal.. i wouldn't blame her for it tho...
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