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I heard about Ford cutting jobs. Before you know it alot of people will be losing thru homes going into foreclosure.
I have heard that Chinese is a plus for those that can pick up on the language, its in the future, I've heard this over and over again in the past year.
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Well, according to DCX, they expect that gas prices to stay between $3-4 for the rest of the decade. GM agreed with DCX's prediction. But Ford said, "ONLY A FOOL WOULD PREDICT GAS PRICES".
So, with that in mind....maybe that is why Ford is in the jam they are today.
I personally think its cheap because of the winter and elections. Now $2.08 in Columbus, OH.....WOW!!!
Also, DCX is really pushing the envelope on bio-fuels (CORN). Corn can actually be used to make gasoline and we all know....you can grow corn but you can't make oil.
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its ETHONAL....which is blended with gasoline. They say you can blend it to make the octane 85% and it will still run just fine. MOBIL and other jugernauts are 100% against it calling it "UNFAIR". How much did MOBIL make this year....more in billions than all the automotive companies in the WORLD put together.
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Ill take this bdgee...ETHONAL is to0 expensive to refine and I dont remember the exact number but the formula was somthing like 100sq yards of corn is what it would take to power a single car for a year. (im sure bdge know the correct answer)
F*&K ethonal.......HYDROGEN is th answer!
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Had a guy at the local BBQ joint tell me that the *original trader* who predicted $3 per gallon this year is *now* predicting $1.15 per gallon for next spring...
Caveat: this is total gossip...
supposedly this came over a popular radio show...
to me? rumor, rumor, rumor...
just saying--that's the rumor I heard.
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To check this out, go find a catalog of a wholesale drug distributer or a chemical supply dealer and order 4 liters (that's a little more than a gallon) of 95% denatured alcohol. That's the purest distillation product possible, 95% ethyl alcohol and 5% water, with some legally required crap in it so it isn't fit for human consumption (you can't, via distillation, get it purer, because water and alcohol form an azeotrope). I haven't bought any in years, but back when i still did chemistry, I got it for about 20 cents a liter (in bulk.....by the tank car it is cheaper), and that included the profits for the distiller and all the middle men before it was dilivered and the cost to diliver it. (It's the taxes they put on the non-denatured stuff that makes it cost so much at the liquor store.)
And, though it burns cleaner than gasolene and diesel fuel, it still produces smog, soot, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and some unburned hydrocarbons when burned......polution and global warming, in other words.
Hydrogen burns leaving ONLY pure water as a combustion product.
Fuel cells, supplied with hydrogen produced from solar, wind, and water power (or some other non-poluting method) is the way to go and, in spite of the claims to the contrary, would not be too expensive or even as expensive as what we do now.
Imagine the cost of producing just one or maybe just a dozen 350 chevy V8s from scratch and a 57 Chevy for them to power, from scratch, and by hand, i.e, with that cost not cut up by making millions of them. It would be hundres of thousands of dollars per car. That's about equivalent to quoting the price of a feul cell powered car of today and calling that a realistic price. That's not the realistic cost if they were mass produced.
There is a way out of this thermal trap we have made, if we start now and devote every effort to it. Half hearted or politically generated and controlled efforts won't work.
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if we want to get it cheaper than 1.50$ gallon? we need to find some new enzymes to break cellulose down into sugars....
the most likely place to "find" these enzymes is in the insect world or the fungi....
i did quite a bit of reading into termites hoping they would have a "magic potion" they don't ...their digestion is several stages and involves a couple of symbionts...
look at what makes trees rot... that's where the answers are...
once the proper enzymes are discovered? then we'll genetically engineer yeasts or fast growing fugi to do the fermenting or digesting for us....
celulose is a chain of sugars, but they are tightly linked, and bound ...hence the strength
the price problem is the raw materials... Brazil is using sugar cane and they can produce alcy for about 1$ a gallon... but they produce sugar cane so cheaply we can't come close to competing...
then you have to factor in that alcy is about 1/3 less efficient than gasoline so you use more gallons per mile...
i found that there is a sugar cane that grows well in the Southern US...
but? there is an ugly side to sugar-cane production too.. harsh labor conditions and they burn the feilds.... lots of air pollution...
IMO? they should harvet it all and use the "silage" to fuel the 'still
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They have been growing sugar cane for a couple of hundred years and more down east of Houston and into Louisianna. And I'm told it will grow equally well in that part of Arkansas that grows rice.
There are a number of "facilities" now being built that won't depend on corn or cane or any special crop, but will use whatever plant growth that is available to produce a "mash' for distilling and the reports of pilot studies are quite favorable.
That $1.50 a gallon would drop way down if they went into serious production, be it via corn, sugar cane, or whatever.
Of course, if you look close, the cost of production and a healthy profit for gasoline is way down under $3 a gallon. And I suppose that with the politicians adding on taxes, that ethanol would end up around $3 or more a gallon too. Like always, the politicians like hiding taxes within the cost of something and telling us they are lowering taxes (actual studies show that the tax burdon on the average citizen has gone up after each "major" so called lowering of taxes by the feds.....only those able to afford tax lawers and accountants get any break).
But I wasn't intending to talk up ethanol fuel, even if it could "help" lower the attack on the environment. I advocate spending several billion a year on fuel cell research (including hydrogen poroduction), by the government, now, so that within a few years, we can "lessen" the attack and actually reverse it. Do that and it will repay the investment over and over.
Locally, almost every city, county, and federal vehicle, including busses and many comercial vehicles sport painted on statements that they are running on natural gas (methane)or propane. Individuals are disuaded from doing so (kits to do it are available in auto parts stores) via having to pay for a special permit to have a non-gaqsoline/non-diesel engine in a vehicle. (I am informed one does so with income tax filings.) Such restrictions need to be eliminated also.
Three really obvious things need to be drummed into the public's mind:
1. Government is necessary to protect us from attack from without, from each other, and from government.
2. Government that is sufficient to do those things is not without taxes.
3. Disguising taxes as part of the cost of various things needed or used by the people destroys any hope of a fair system of collecting taxes and leads to favoritism by government and currupt politicians.
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Glass and Bdgee I love watching you two go at it. Its like clash of the titans of stats and figures. C'mon guys put'em on the table. Whip out those IQ scores. Im seriously curious.
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ewww... I hope not--my tendency would be to wonder about anybody who kept track of something so arbitrary as an IQ score...handed out somewhen, somewhere, by Gawd knows who...
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I used to know the history of IQ test, but I don't remember it now. Personally, I think only people with low IQs still accept it as reiable.
Standardized test of all kinds are flawed terribly. Just look at what is currently happening with the standard college entrance exams. And why not get rid of them, they don't predict and they cost a fortune.
It's like the common question you find on all such test. They give you a sequence of three numbers, such as 1, 2, 3, - - -, and tell you to chose from among the following choices for the forth term of the sequence, a) 4, b) 5, and c) 6.
They assume, without saying, the 4th term will be an integer and also assume you will make that same assumption.
Even under that assumption, there are infinitely many possible 4th terms and no one of them is more or less likely that any other and that includes all the possible answers they supplied, i.e., there is no "answer" to the question, let alone a correct answer.
Sadly, I must report that the questioners are apparaantly not bright enough to recognize that mistaqke. I bet they believe in IQ scores.
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bdgee is correect.. in order to do well on any test? one only need understand what it is the questioner WANTS to see/hear... even if it's wrong...
And the winner is Leo Davinci....I think thats accurate
Name Description Country IQ
Abraham Lincoln President USA 128 Adolf Hitler Nazi leader Germany 141 Al Gore Politician USA 134 Albert Einstein Physicist USA 160 Albrecht von Haller Medical scientist Switzerland 190 Alexander Pope Poet & writer England 180 Andrew J. Wiles Mathematician England 170 Andrew Jackson President USA 123 Andy Warhol Pop artist USA 86 (typo or drugs?) Anthonis Van Dyck Artist Belgium 155 Archure Musician Artist Writer USA 147+ Arnauld Theologian France 190 Arne Beurling Mathematician Sweden 180 Arnold Schwarzenegger Actor Austria 135 Baruch Spinoza Philosopher Holland 175 Benjamin Franklin Writer, scientist & politician USA 160 Benjamin Netanyahu Israeli Prime Minister Israel 180 Bill (William) J. Clinton President USA 137 Bill Gates CEO, Microsoft USA 160 Blaise Pascal Mathematician & religious philosopher France 195 Bobby Fischer Chess player USA 187 Bonaparte Napoleon Emperor France 145 "A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon" -Napoleon Buonarroti Michelangelo Artist, poet & architect Italy 180 Carl von Linné Botanist Sweden 165 Charles Darwin Naturalist England 165 Charles Dickens Writer England 180 Christopher Langan Bouncer & scientist & philosopher USA 195 David Hume Philosopher & politician Scotland 180 Dolph Lundgren Actor Sweden 160 Donald Byrne Chess Player Irland 170 Dr David Livingstone Explorer & doctor Scotland 170 Emanuel Swedenborg " Sweden 205 Felix Mendelssohn Composer Germany 165 Friedrich Hegel Philosopher Germany 165 Friedrich von Schelling Philosopher Germany 190 Galileo Galilei Physicist & astronomer & philosopher Italy 185 Garry Kasparov Chess player Russia 190 Geena Davis Actress USA 140 George Berkeley Philosopher Ireland 190 George H. Choueiri A.C.E Leader Lebanon 195 George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) Writer England 160 George Friedrich Händel Composer Germany 170 George Sand Writer France 150 George W. Bush President USA 125 George Washington President USA 118 Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz " Germany 205 H. C. Anderson Writer Denmark 145 Hillary Clinton Ex-President wife USA 140 Hjalmar Schacht Nazi officer Germany 143 Honoré de Balzac Writer France 155 Hugo Grotius Writer Holland 200 Hypatia Philosopher & mathematician Alexandria 170 Immanuel Kant Philosopher Germany 175 James Cook Explorer England 160 James Watt Physicist & technician Scotland 165 James Woods Actor USA 180 Jayne Mansfield " USA 149 Jean M. Auel Writer Canada 140 Jodie Foster Actor USA 132 Johann Sebastian Bach Composer Germany 165 Johann Strauss Composer Germany 170 Johann Wolfgang von Goethe " Germany 210 Johannes Kepler Mathematician, physicist & astronomer Germany 175 John Adams President USA 137 John F. Kennedy' Ex-President USA 117 John H. Sununu Chief of Staff for President Bush USA 180 John Locke Philosopher England 165 John Quincy Adams President USA 153 John Stuart Mill Universal Genius England 200 Jola Sigmond Teacher Sweden 161 Jonathan Swift Writer & theologian England 155 Joseph Haydn Composer Austria 160 Joseph Louis Lagrange Mathematician & astronomer Italy/France 185 Judith Polgar Chess player Hungary 170 Kim Ung-Yong " Korea 200 Leonardo da Vinci Universal Genius Italy 220 Lord Byron Poet & writer England 180 Ludwig van Beethoven Composer Germany 165 Ludwig Wittgenstein Philosopher Austria 190 Madame De Stael Novelist & philosopher France 180 Madonna Singer USA 140 Marilyn Vos Savant Writer USA 186 Martin Luther Theorist Germany 170 Miguel de Cervantes Writer Spain 155 Nicolaus Copernicus Astronomer Poland 160 Nicole Kidman Actor USA 132 Paul Allen Microsoft cofounder USA 160 Philip Emeagwali Mathematician Nigeria 190 Phillipp Melanchthon Humanist & theologian Germany 190 Pierre Simon de Laplace Astronomer & mathematician France 190 Plato Philosopher Greece 170 Ralph Waldo Emerson Writer USA 155 Raphael Artist Italy 170 Rembrandt van Rijn Artist Holland 155 René Descartes Mathematician & philosopher France 185 Richard Nixon Ex-President USA 143 Richard Wagner Composer Germany 170 Robert Byrne Chess Player Irland 170 Rousseau Writer France 150 Sarpi Councilor & theologian & historian Italy 195 Shakira Singer Colombia 140 Sharon Stone Actress USA 154 Sir Clive Sinclair Inventor England 159 Sir Francis Galton Scientist & doctor England 200 Sir Isaac Newton Scientist England 190 Sofia Kovalevskaya Mathematician & writer Sweden/Russia 170 Stephen W. Hawking Physicist England 160 Thomas Chatterton Poet & writer England 180 Thomas Jefferson President USA 138 Thomas Wolsey Politician England 200 Truman Cloak " " 165 Ulysses S. Grant President USA 110 Voltaire Writer France 190 William James Sidis " USA 200 William Pitt (the Younger) Politician England 190 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Composer Austria 165
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: bdgee is correect.. in order to do well on any test? one only need understand what it is the questioner WANTS to see/hear... even if it's wrong...
i could write several hundred words arguing for the incorrect answer...
does that make me "less" intelligent? or more intelligent because i can formulate a strong case for the wrong answer? creativity is valuable too...
Less intellegent, Glass....
'cause you spent all that effort writing something they won't even bother to read.
Still, somehow, I too squander my energy (as I did above, tying to explain the devil of standardization) hoping to say it in a way that will get through to someone and make them wiser.
If enough of us keep at it and those we show how they too can be wiser and think on their own and, then, they, in turn, do also pass on the secret of learning, maybe, somewhere down the line, we will make it a better world.
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quote:Originally posted by rimasco: Is it composite and synthetic? LOL
And the winner is Leo Davinci....I think thats accurate
Name Description Country IQ
Abraham Lincoln President USA 128 Adolf Hitler Nazi leader Germany 141 Al Gore Politician USA 134 Albert Einstein Physicist USA 160 Albrecht von Haller Medical scientist Switzerland 190 Alexander Pope Poet & writer England 180 Andrew J. Wiles Mathematician England 170 Andrew Jackson President USA 123 Andy Warhol Pop artist USA 86 (typo or drugs?) Anthonis Van Dyck Artist Belgium 155 Archure Musician Artist Writer USA 147+ Arnauld Theologian France 190 Arne Beurling Mathematician Sweden 180 Arnold Schwarzenegger Actor Austria 135 Baruch Spinoza Philosopher Holland 175 Benjamin Franklin Writer, scientist & politician USA 160 Benjamin Netanyahu Israeli Prime Minister Israel 180 Bill (William) J. Clinton President USA 137 Bill Gates CEO, Microsoft USA 160 Blaise Pascal Mathematician & religious philosopher France 195 Bobby Fischer Chess player USA 187 Bonaparte Napoleon Emperor France 145 "A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon" -Napoleon Buonarroti Michelangelo Artist, poet & architect Italy 180 Carl von Linné Botanist Sweden 165 Charles Darwin Naturalist England 165 Charles Dickens Writer England 180 Christopher Langan Bouncer & scientist & philosopher USA 195 David Hume Philosopher & politician Scotland 180 Dolph Lundgren Actor Sweden 160 Donald Byrne Chess Player Irland 170 Dr David Livingstone Explorer & doctor Scotland 170 Emanuel Swedenborg " Sweden 205 Felix Mendelssohn Composer Germany 165 Friedrich Hegel Philosopher Germany 165 Friedrich von Schelling Philosopher Germany 190 Galileo Galilei Physicist & astronomer & philosopher Italy 185 Garry Kasparov Chess player Russia 190 Geena Davis Actress USA 140 George Berkeley Philosopher Ireland 190 George H. Choueiri A.C.E Leader Lebanon 195 George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) Writer England 160 George Friedrich Händel Composer Germany 170 George Sand Writer France 150 George W. Bush President USA 125 George Washington President USA 118 Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz " Germany 205 H. C. Anderson Writer Denmark 145 Hillary Clinton Ex-President wife USA 140 Hjalmar Schacht Nazi officer Germany 143 Honoré de Balzac Writer France 155 Hugo Grotius Writer Holland 200 Hypatia Philosopher & mathematician Alexandria 170 Immanuel Kant Philosopher Germany 175 James Cook Explorer England 160 James Watt Physicist & technician Scotland 165 James Woods Actor USA 180 Jayne Mansfield " USA 149 Jean M. Auel Writer Canada 140 Jodie Foster Actor USA 132 Johann Sebastian Bach Composer Germany 165 Johann Strauss Composer Germany 170 Johann Wolfgang von Goethe " Germany 210 Johannes Kepler Mathematician, physicist & astronomer Germany 175 John Adams President USA 137 John F. Kennedy' Ex-President USA 117 John H. Sununu Chief of Staff for President Bush USA 180 John Locke Philosopher England 165 John Quincy Adams President USA 153 John Stuart Mill Universal Genius England 200 Jola Sigmond Teacher Sweden 161 Jonathan Swift Writer & theologian England 155 Joseph Haydn Composer Austria 160 Joseph Louis Lagrange Mathematician & astronomer Italy/France 185 Judith Polgar Chess player Hungary 170 Kim Ung-Yong " Korea 200 Leonardo da Vinci Universal Genius Italy 220 Lord Byron Poet & writer England 180 Ludwig van Beethoven Composer Germany 165 Ludwig Wittgenstein Philosopher Austria 190 Madame De Stael Novelist & philosopher France 180 Madonna Singer USA 140 Marilyn Vos Savant Writer USA 186 Martin Luther Theorist Germany 170 Miguel de Cervantes Writer Spain 155 Nicolaus Copernicus Astronomer Poland 160 Nicole Kidman Actor USA 132 Paul Allen Microsoft cofounder USA 160 Philip Emeagwali Mathematician Nigeria 190 Phillipp Melanchthon Humanist & theologian Germany 190 Pierre Simon de Laplace Astronomer & mathematician France 190 Plato Philosopher Greece 170 Ralph Waldo Emerson Writer USA 155 Raphael Artist Italy 170 Rembrandt van Rijn Artist Holland 155 René Descartes Mathematician & philosopher France 185 Richard Nixon Ex-President USA 143 Richard Wagner Composer Germany 170 Robert Byrne Chess Player Irland 170 Rousseau Writer France 150 Sarpi Councilor & theologian & historian Italy 195 Shakira Singer Colombia 140 Sharon Stone Actress USA 154 Sir Clive Sinclair Inventor England 159 Sir Francis Galton Scientist & doctor England 200 Sir Isaac Newton Scientist England 190 Sofia Kovalevskaya Mathematician & writer Sweden/Russia 170 Stephen W. Hawking Physicist England 160 Thomas Chatterton Poet & writer England 180 Thomas Jefferson President USA 138 Thomas Wolsey Politician England 200 Truman Cloak " " 165 Ulysses S. Grant President USA 110 Voltaire Writer France 190 William James Sidis " USA 200 William Pitt (the Younger) Politician England 190 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Composer Austria 165
lol, wouldn't surprise me if da Vinci had a terrific IQ, no matter who measured it...
what's interesting to me? On this list, notice how many "so-so" scorers have name recogniton--yet, some top scorers are virtually unknown...
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