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I am a republican and support the President. I just wish the country had the same unity and patriotism that we had on 9/11/01. For the good of the country I wish both parties would set aside their differances and focus on the task at hand.....defending our nation from Terrorist and making this country safer. YES....I AM TIRED OF ALL THE FINGER POINTING AND BLAME FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT GOING RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY. Why cant the idiot politicians stop the insanity between the parties. I blame both republicans and democrats for the mess we are in. Will we ever have that unity again?
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quote:Originally posted by gagged_n_burried: its a shame that someone has a final answer as "No".. that Bas$%^& Osama is smiling right now as he reads this post..
Think so? I'd bet he hasn't seen it. I just posted it an hour or so ago.
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We have an evil egomaniac in the Presidency and simple minded idiots want me to set asside differences and support the lying as$hole?
You must be a dim witted as he is.
You want me to believe that supporting a president that lied to start a war to cover up the investigation of how he stole the 2000 election is patriotic?
The Hell it is.
In my understanding of the term, it is the extreme of treason, rather than patriotism, to support a sham of a war that endangers our future so that you pea-braained far right wing social misfits can continue to bash Clinton for dingling a full grown chick that had every oportunity to choose to not come on to the president and try to force prayer on our children, all in order that you can dominate the simple minds of the religiously backward and get them to vote for the most damgerous power mongering facist since 1932. (Yes, even more dangerous that Tricky Dick himself.)
Ben Laden is dangerous to the U.S.
The course of destruction of the principles and actual requirements set down in the Constitution by this facist dictatorial crook, if allowed to go unchecked, will be the destruction of the Nation.
So, in response to you request thaat I unite with you behind The Great Prevaricator, not No, but
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i was republican all the way...voted for bush and voted as soon as i was 18. now...i pray for the day that him, cheney, and rumsfeld leave office...they are dangerous men with too much power. they have manipulated the people into going to war in iraq. i was there in 2004-2005 its going to last forever unless we leave. horrible war...didnt need to happen.
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Yep......Thats the unity i am talking about. This country is the greatest country in the world. O.k.......I am Republican. Lets say we impeach Bush and Leave Iraq. Stay with me here. A democrat gets in office and does what? Why cant the republicans and democrats work together.
Screw Bush!!! Leave Iraq!!!! Then WHAT!!! Wait for the Next M.... F...ing attack. WAke up people. We are ALLLL disposable in their eyes. GIVE ME A BREAK.....WAKE THE HELL UP. I am done with this thread...I am sorry I even created it. Unity..HAHAHA..Not as long as their are a bunch of idiots in office and those idiots who support them......
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We are in Iraq killing people to cover his evil deeds and nothing more.
What is wrong in Iraq is what Bush brought!
He deserves to be hated and never allowed any power again.
You don't excuse a murderer because it is difficult to admit he is one or because you don't want who will get his job after he is stopped, you put the b*stared in jail!
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This is exactly my point. Why cant this nation come together? You have answered my question. Because....The left and right are to far apart.
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Is it not possible that "invading" Iraq is/was a strategic move in this war on "terrorism"? We have a boat load of military over there...now and Saddam gone...where else would be a good place to "have our military at"? Killing 2 birds with 1 stone?
Have you ever played the board game "Risk"?
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: This is exactly my point. Why cant this nation come together? You have answered my question. Because....The left and right are to far apart.
actually? it's because pride in craftsmanship has been tossed aside in the business-garbled bobsled-to-hell race to cut overhead...
we suffer from "status-symbol" dysfunction to the extent that "keeping up with the Joneses" seems quaint--and almost patriotic.
Gun to my head to pick a "villain"? credit card companies...
good as anywhere to start, for sure.
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: This is exactly my point. Why cant this nation come together? You have answered my question. Because....The left and right are to far apart.
What kind of unity are you talking about? You want the left and right to merge into one happy party? Not me, you'll be left with a one party democracy. Are you looking for the kind of hand holding, candlelight vigils that we're held in the days immediately following 9/11? That type of unity amongst people exists today, it's just not shown in such ridiculous fashion. You seem to be looking for a great leader to emerge that will make everyone happy. It's never going to happen and you should be thankful for it.
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: O.K impeach him, put him in jail, execute him. Whatever. Leave Iraq. THEN WHAT. Give me a frigin answer.
This is exactly my point. Why cant this nation come together? You have answered my question. Because....The left and right are to far apart.
Why do I have to answer your point?
Isn't your point simply because you want a republican in office?
You are suggesting that, if a small town with exactly one doctor were to find him to be an axe murder, then it serves as defense of his crimes for him and his attorney to ask "Who among you will be the doctor if he goes to jail? You have to answer that question or you can't convict him."?
Bush lied to start a war and you want to forgive those lies so he can continue.
We never should have been in Iraq and it is Bush that caused us to conduct an illegal and imoral war.
Stop trying to excuse the villian with absurd claims that he is irreplacable.
No man is irreplacable and that includes Bush.
Get rid of Bush and all of his kind and we will deal with what is to happen in Iraq with far more honest and effective people, since it would be essentially impossible to find anyone so dishonest and incompetent.
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: This is exactly my point. Why cant this nation come together? You have answered my question. Because....The left and right are to far apart.
What kind of unity are you talking about? You want the left and right to merge into one happy party? Not me, you'll be left with a one party democracy. Are you looking for the kind of hand holding, candlelight vigils that we're held in the days immediately following 9/11? That type of unity amongst people exists today, it's just not shown in such ridiculous fashion. You seem to be looking for a great leader to emerge that will make everyone happy. It's never going to happen and you should be thankful for it.
agreed...
less chiefs, more indians...
Do *something* in your community--don't wait for the "gumment" to fund it...DO IT!
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My answer to the "then what" question is to use economics and innovation.
You want to take the power out of the middle east dictatorships, fascists, corrupt, whatever you want to call them governments then take away their supplies.
Besides rising fuel prices, the U.S. should place more effort to finding alternative energy fuel sources such to take the dependancy off of the middle eastern countries. I haven't read much into it, but I think if cellulostic ethanol becomes a reality then it could very well happen. Then what? The world and our dependancy on oil is lifted and what economic powers do these countries have then? They will still have exports sure, but their key exports will be nearly worthless. How is Iran going to fund it's nuclear program without oil money funding it? Again, I'm not informed entirely on the subjects, but I will speculate that investors for Iran are also from the middle east. If their main export is oil then they'll also lose the power to invest.
Another thing to do once out of Iraq and all the other junk we're involved with now is to invest. The only way the United States is going to remain the economic superpower that it is today is through innovation. We have already lost the comparative advantage of many things and with the information age the only thing keeping us ahead of the game is innovation which China and India are quickly catching up with.
So my suggestion is to spend the billions normally spent on war and killing on technology, innovation, humanitarian efforts around the globe and in our nation, investing in our educational system such that the future generations of ours and the global generations are surely better than ours. If the US took on a Nelson Mandela approach to the world then what reason would terrorists attack us? One motivation of mine to get a job done if I don't want to get yelled at or fired is that I shouldn't give them a reason to yell at me or fire me.
Let's face it people. Terrorism is faceless and timeless. Terrorism is a tool and not an army or a country, person, or government. There are terrorists who are people that use terror tactics just like a person uses dentistry and is called a dentist. Can you pick out a dentist from any 1000 people? The answer is no because they come in all sizes, shapes, creeds, religions, races, sexes, ethnicities, etc.. This war on terrorism is an absolute idiotic war. That is even more powerful statement since the insurgents in Iraq have only grown stronger as reports are now saying. Our efforts are futile. From how I described terrorism as a tool then there is no way our efforts couldn't be futile.
The United States needs to take on a new role beside world police. World humanitarian will be more influential. War is not an end all answer.
A thought that has ran through my head for several weeks now is the economics war. I don't intend on belittling the lives of those lost on 9/11/2001 and the following years.
The number of people killed in the wars after 9/11 are now more than those that died on 9/11. The insurgents are now strogner than ever, the world is taking on a disapproving role, the country is torn apart on political differences, and the deficit grows larger every day.
Now what if the money spent on the war was put towards funding research to save lives? Would you rather go to war over those lost on 9/11 and the following wars, or save the lives of 100,000 perhaps through new heart disease breakthroughs? Cancer research or aid? Funding for medicare that saves thousands of lives.
This is where I don't understand the denial of stem cell research. Those that appose stem cell research tend to place an invaluable price on human life. Yet, we send troops over seas to die every day now. Are their lives not invaluable? With a signature the lives of hundreds of thousands of soldiers are immediately weighed when their lives are worth losing to fight a war oversees against a faceless army. If we can place value on their lives, why not stem cells?
Also, the presidential decision to drop the atomic bomb on Japan in WWII was to save the lives of thousands of American GI's. They wanted the war to end quickly without having to send more GI's overseas. The lives of Japanese civilians were weighed against the lives of Americans. The value of life is not immeasurable. So what about using the same decision for stem cell research? Is the life of the stem cells worth more than the thousands if not millions of lives it can save?
These are just thoughts I have as to where the U.S. should go. They need to get out of Iraq and make it their business of improving and saving lives in our nation and of the world.
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quote:Originally posted by permanentjaun: My answer to the "then what" question is to use economics and innovation.
You want to take the power out of the middle east dictatorships, fascists, corrupt, whatever you want to call them governments then take away their supplies.
Besides rising fuel prices, the U.S. should place more effort to finding alternative energy fuel sources such to take the dependancy off of the middle eastern countries. I haven't read much into it, but I think if cellulostic ethanol becomes a reality then it could very well happen. Then what? The world and our dependancy on oil is lifted and what economic powers do these countries have then? They will still have exports sure, but their key exports will be nearly worthless. How is Iran going to fund it's nuclear program without oil money funding it? Again, I'm not informed entirely on the subjects, but I will speculate that investors for Iran are also from the middle east. If their main export is oil then they'll also lose the power to invest.
Another thing to do once out of Iraq and all the other junk we're involved with now is to invest. The only way the United States is going to remain the economic superpower that it is today is through innovation. We have already lost the comparative advantage of many things and with the information age the only thing keeping us ahead of the game is innovation which China and India are quickly catching up with.
So my suggestion is to spend the billions normally spent on war and killing on technology, innovation, humanitarian efforts around the globe and in our nation, investing in our educational system such that the future generations of ours and the global generations are surely better than ours. If the US took on a Nelson Mandela approach to the world then what reason would terrorists attack us? One motivation of mine to get a job done if I don't want to get yelled at or fired is that I shouldn't give them a reason to yell at me or fire me.
Let's face it people. Terrorism is faceless and timeless. Terrorism is a tool and not an army or a country, person, or government. There are terrorists who are people that use terror tactics just like a person uses dentistry and is called a dentist. Can you pick out a dentist from any 1000 people? The answer is no because they come in all sizes, shapes, creeds, religions, races, sexes, ethnicities, etc.. This war on terrorism is an absolute idiotic war. That is even more powerful statement since the insurgents in Iraq have only grown stronger as reports are now saying. Our efforts are futile. From how I described terrorism as a tool then there is no way our efforts couldn't be futile.
The United States needs to take on a new role beside world police. World humanitarian will be more influential. War is not an end all answer.
A thought that has ran through my head for several weeks now is the economics war. I don't intend on belittling the lives of those lost on 9/11/2001 and the following years.
The number of people killed in the wars after 9/11 are now more than those that died on 9/11. The insurgents are now strogner than ever, the world is taking on a disapproving role, the country is torn apart on political differences, and the deficit grows larger every day.
Now what if the money spent on the war was put towards funding research to save lives? Would you rather go to war over those lost on 9/11 and the following wars, or save the lives of 100,000 perhaps through new heart disease breakthroughs? Cancer research or aid? Funding for medicare that saves thousands of lives.
This is where I don't understand the denial of stem cell research. Those that appose stem cell research tend to place an invaluable price on human life. Yet, we send troops over seas to die every day now. Are their lives not invaluable? With a signature the lives of hundreds of thousands of soldiers are immediately weighed when their lives are worth losing to fight a war oversees against a faceless army. If we can place value on their lives, why not stem cells?
Also, the presidential decision to drop the atomic bomb on Japan in WWII was to save the lives of thousands of American GI's. They wanted the war to end quickly without having to send more GI's overseas. The lives of Japanese civilians were weighed against the lives of Americans. The value of life is not immeasurable. So what about using the same decision for stem cell research? Is the life of the stem cells worth more than the thousands if not millions of lives it can save?
These are just thoughts I have as to where the U.S. should go. They need to get out of Iraq and make it their business of improving and saving lives in our nation and of the world.
good post, matt
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Thats another thing that chaps my ass. How can you be against Stem cell research and abortion but for the death penalty. Thats pure hypocrisy. All these politicians kill me. Youll never know were they really stand. Its all about pleasing the party and electoral vote.
Andrew If you really want the country to unite......then your gonna have to unite against your party ....the polls show you have a far better chance at trying to sway the very few that are still behind GW
They screwed up ROYALLY
and you know what else I voted for him not once BUT TWICE.
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That's the thing about fighting terrorism. It's basically setting yourself up for a haunted house mentality. You know one of the shadows has someone who is going to jump out at you...but which shadow?
You end up chasing phantasm’s rather than making forward progress.
I'd much prefer we let policing the middle east sit on the shoulders of the UN...that's one of the reasons it was created for right?
Then use our money to secure what makes sense and move forward with vigilance on other projects rather than be stuck in one spot waiting for the next person to say "boo".
And, yeah, unity is great. But within unity must be diversity. This administration doesn't understand how that works.
Oust Bush and what's next?
How bout we build that fence?
How bout we start looking into shipping containers?
How bout we give those who have embryo's frozen at the reproductive clinic the choice of donating the eggs they aren't going to use themselves for stem cell research?
How bout we repeal the tax cuts on people who make $300,000 or more a year and remind our nation that with prosperity comes responsibility?
How bout we get serious about cellulose fuel, wind power, hydrogen cells, and making solar panels more than 15% effective?
Why don't we get a serious study going about the effects of genetically modified foodstuffs and their costs and benefits?
Why don't we solve AID's ourselves instead of relying on Bill Gates?
How bout we build a national healthcare system?
I could go on but is that not enough for what next?
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Olbermann does not like dubya, so if you are one of the Party faithful and drink a lot of koolaid, you needen't watch (no sense in getting your ire all bent out of shape about things dubya did and said you can't change), Olbermann is strong on facts.
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was just watching cnn where AC is doing report on afghanistan.. he says more forces are needed there since soldiers are tied up just stopping infiltration and forces are not sufficient to actually fight taliban.. time to redeploy forces into places where they actually are needed??
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