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glassman
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This has been a fiasco...

Hezbollah claims 'strategic, historic victory' against Israel
Updated 8/14/2006 2:26 PM ET

Lebanese men hold up pictures of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah as they drive through the southern suburbs of Beirut on Monday.
Enlarge By Kevork Djansezian, AP
Lebanese men hold up pictures of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah as they drive through the southern suburbs of Beirut on Monday.
BEIRUT (AP) — Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said Monday that his guerrillas achieved a "strategic, historic victory" against Israel — a declaration that prompted celebratory gunfire across the Lebanese capital.

"We came out victorious in a war in which big Arab armies were defeated (before)," the black-turbaned cleric said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-08-14-mideast-hezbollah_x.htm?POE=NEWISV A


Bush messed it up coming and going...

he could have jumped in right away and been a HERO peacemaker or stayed the course and destroyed the terrorists...

NOW?

Iran can spend money to rebuild Lebanon and gain much more influence if we don't...

whats another 100 billion$?


sheesh...

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I dont know how long this cease frie is gonna last.....but i can asure you next time Israel is gonna go for a quick KO

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yes, it could re-ignite anytime..

we are fighting a PR war now...

Bush is on TV now in response to Nasrallah...

the problem is that we need to bring real AID to Lebanon now..

before Iran does...

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This is true.

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If America survives the Bush Years, it will be pure luck.

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There is momentum for societies too and ours has turned downward since dubya and his crew of crooks took over....

How on earth will we ever pay off the debt?

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i disagree...

we will, and it will be because there are a lot of very good people that work for the US Govt... every day, no matter who is in office...
unfortunately? we have lost a lot of good ones because of the political atmosphere..but alot have stayed anyway...

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who is the debt to? im ignorant of these kinds of things

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:



How on earth will we ever pay off the debt?

By electing a dem who will then tax the working class into poverty...

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funny motor...

you been watching the Fed rate? Bush's economic stimulus package is running out of steam...
the working class is already running into poverty based on credit card debt, mortgages, and energy costs...

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
funny motor...

you been watching the Fed rate? Bush's economic stimulus package is running out of steam...
the working class is already running into poverty based on credit card debt, mortgages, and energy costs...

i was just goona say that i'm almost at the poverty level...the natural gas prices almost sucked me dry last winter

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That isn't funny,it's sick.
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
funny motor...

you been watching the Fed rate? Bush's economic stimulus package is running out of steam...
the working class is already running into poverty based on credit card debt, mortgages, and energy costs...

Yea Glass...I've been more than watching...My part of this country has probably been hit the hardest...sad state were in...but it is NOT just because of GWB and his so-called crew of crooks...the dems have also had plenty to do with the state that we are all in right now...
The sad truth is that ALL politicians, republican & democrat, are not trustworthy and are only looking out for themselves and their own "special interest" groups, and anyone that believes otherwise is just plain foolish...

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jordanreed,

most of those debts are owed to china and arab countries....dubya has borrowed those funds to fill in for his tax cuts to corporations and the very rich and for the invasion of iraq....


there wasn't any real tax decrease for any that aren't rich....

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
That isn't funny,it's sick.

You're right bdgee...it isn't funny...but it is the truth...

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quote:
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jordanreed,

most of those debts are owed to china and arab countries....dubya has borrowed those funds to fill in for his tax cuts to corporations and the very rich and for the invasion of iraq....


there wasn't any real tax decrease for any that aren't rich....

ok..so i'm sure that the interest rates are sky-high,, and do these countries actually expect to get paid back?

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and we buy oil from the arabs and also borrow money?

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quote:
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and we buy oil from the arabs and also borrow money?

oh yeah....

and we buy goods from China and borrow from them too...

China's Big Surplus Gets Bigger
Parmy Olson, 08.10.06, 11:20 AM ET
China’s contentious trade surplus got more contentious in July, data released today show. The surplus hit its third consecutive monthly high, doubtlessly setting the stage for new calls from suffering American manufacturers that the country alter its economic policies.
The surplus last month was $14.6 billion, a 40.6% increase over the corresponding month of last year, according to figures released Thursday by Beijing's General Administration of Customs.

n the meantime, China uses a part of its trade surplus to buy U.S. government bonds, essentially sending the money back to American consumers, who then use it to buy more imported goods. The bond purchases have the effect of keeping the dollar strong against the yuan. If the yuan were freely traded and foreign investors had unrestricted access to assets in China, market forces would tend to lift the Chinese currency.

http://www.forbes.com/business/commerce/2006/08/10/china-trade-yuan-cx_cn_po_081 0trade.html

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quote:
Originally posted by MotorCityMadman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
That isn't funny,it's sick.

You're right bdgee...it isn't funny...but it is the truth...
No, not the truth, just the propaganda generated by the RNC to scare people that don't know better than to put up with the lies.
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History doesn't lie...

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The RNC does, specially since dubya got in control.......habitually......
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i guess it depends on how you use the statistics Motor..

look at this chart and tell me who manages their household better?
i know, this is the govt, not a household, but we are seeing a pattern here...

and Bush has borrowed more foreign money than all the other presidents COMBINED...

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Bdgee...The difference between you and I is that I don't HATE one party so much that I am unable to see the the other party is screwing me just as bad...I hate both parties equally...

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BTW? i think the current actual deficit is better than either party projection...

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i think we need to say a prayer...


sorry..

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Amen to that jordan

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quote:
Originally posted by MotorCityMadman:
Bdgee...The difference between you and I is that I don't HATE one party so much that I am unable to see the the other party is screwing me just as bad...I hate both parties equally...

What you do is parrot the RNC talking points in order to divert attention from facts.

I don't hate any party or any person, in spite of what you have been trained to say so that it makes it "seem" you are being reasonable or honorable. You are not.

Republicans so irrationally hated Clinton (simply because he wasn't republican) they are easily led to believe that anyone that doesn't step in cadence with the RNC formula hates in return.

But it is a lie. It is a lie they have taught the faithful to parrot at any and every opportunity, so as to divert attention from facts they don't want carefully investigated.

The difference between you and me, contrary to your republican talking points blather, has nothing to do with anyone hating any party, it has to do with your obsession to obscure fact with propaganda in order to be seen as properly worshiping the Party.

Party loyalty is NOT patriotic, indeed, it is the opposite!

Party loyalty leads straight to nothing but fascism, and that is independent of the particular party.

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POS!

Bush 'viewed war in Lebanon as a curtain-raiser for attack on Iran'


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1219021.ece

death of 1000+ people on one side of the border and 100+ people on the other only as an experiment for future reference!!!

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Bdgee, you must learn at some point to stop insulting people because they are smarter than you.
Motor publicly denounced the RNC in an earlier post on this page and you still call him names and accuse him of parroting the RNC?
I know it's a bit late for it... but do try to grow up.
GWB is not responsible for every failure this country has engaged in..
The idiot Dems are just as guilty as the idiot Reps...

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yawn, SSDD....

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Relentless, you need to stop this!
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hey! you two play nice [Mad]

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I didn't do nuthin.....hard to play unfair when ya didn't play in the game.
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I didn't do nothing either.
It's all his fault.

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yes i know...nobody did anything [Razz]

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