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Gordon Bennett
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The Bush Administration should have just allowed the inspectors to finish their work.

But they didn't, of course, because that would have meant no Iraq invasion. Bush and the neocons couldn't let that happen.

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When you have British, French, German and Russian intelligence telling you they have WMD's...... and after all of the fancy footwork Hussein has been doing for years concerning the inspectors, why would you feel compelled to wait any longer, especially when troops are already over there? Who's to say how long it would have taken before the inspectors could make a judgement? Tenent said it can take years to find anything. Given Huessain's track record how long would you have waited?

Glassman is right, he bluffed and we all fell for it. He didn't want to appear to be cow towing to the Western powers, and wanted the middle east to think he had chem weapons.

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Because it isn't true that the "British, French, German and Russian intelligence (were) telling you they have WMD's".

Indeed, everyone, including our own intellegence services questioned that Saddam had WMDs.

They could and did order the U.S. and Brittish intellegence services to shut up, but the rest of the world never agreed with dubya about Hussain having WMDs and never stopped saying so loudly, particularly the French, German and Itallian. For their honesty, we branded the French as liars and anti-American.

We sat back and watched the VP attack the agent he had caused the CIA to send to Africa to check out the Itallian intllegence services assurance that the documents claiming and Iraqi "yellow cake" buy was forged. When that agent confirmed the Itallian's report, we watched and did nothing to stop the Administration violating the law and "outing" a CIA officer operating in secret because she was the wife of the agent.

And still you want to pass on the lies told by the Administration as if they were fact.

Haven't you even noticed that the ONLY evidence that Wilson's wife was the person that picked or suggested he go to Niger is that claim from Chaney? My God you aren't very good at gathering or reportin credible evidence.

Why, I ask, since dubya hand picked David Kay to supply him with the "dirty" on Saddam's WMDs, was the Administration so eager to discount his findings that the WMDs didn't exist and why weren't we thouroughly and immediately apprised of his findings by our Government?

Why do the right wingers persist on passing about these lies about the WMDs as if they were facts?

I want to see just one document from the German, French, or Russian intellegence services claiming knowledge of Saddam Hussain having WMDs just proir to the invasion. I have seen reliable evidence of those groups denying there was any known evidence of the supposed the WMDs and demanding the U.N. weapons inspectors be allowed to complete their work and prove so, but none claiming those supposed WMDs existed.

Let's try to be a bit more careful in our claims to support "The Leader".

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Oh I understand the dems take n things Bgee.
When Kay left Iraq saying no WMD's he was a stand up guy fighting the administration.
When he said other intelligence agencies
said there where WMD's, he's a shill for the administration.
My God he changes, midstream in the same report?

Bush was the man at the top.
Bush was wrong about WMD's.
Bush deserves the blame.

A terrible mistake was made.
And fr that Bush deserves the blame.

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JW, right now? Iran is poised to take over the northern half of the mid east...

Bush is personally responsible for allowing this situation to develop the way it has..

Iraq is supporting (by the same definition as Carter supported Iraq invading Iran) Hezbolah right now....

Iraq is preparing to tell US to leave...

after we do? Iran and Iraq will set up full diplomatic ties and tell US to bugger off...

i predicted this two years ago...

there is only one way to stop this:

bomb the crap out of Iran...
that is coming soon...

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"bomb the crap out of Iran...
that is coming soon..."

One can only hope W. has the cajones to carry that one out before it becomes more of a complicated mess then it already has, i.e. it becomes to late to do anything other then hope they don't launch it at US.

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Gordon and Leo-
I Agree that Bush made mistakes
I Agree it is a mess
I Agree with next course of action.

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Almost to the crossing of the Ts and dotting of the Is, conditions in the mid-east were predicted by anyone that bothered to "think" and pay attention to the various tribal and ethnic factions in the mid-east and their histories to end up exactlyu as they have if Bush invaded Iraq, particularly if there were no WMDs there installed on delivery systems that could reach contenental U.S. and crews trained and on station to launch them at the whim of Hussain.

What's more, events in Asia, such as the mess with N. Korea, was predicted if Bush invaded Iraq.

Is there a solutionfor the problem of Iraq?

NO!

No solution if we get out, no soultion if we stay. Iraq will becone another Shi'ite Moslem State in either case (a situation that was not possible with Sadam and his party in control). But if we have the guts to own up to the lie and get out admitting we are to blame, we might save some influence in the world and it might be possible to save the UN. As it is, with each day our troups remain in Iraq, they come closer to being surrounded by hostile cooperating Shi'ite armies.

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