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American troops defend dictators.

September 11, 2001 Soudi Arabian terrorists attack America While 20,000 American troops were deployed in Soudi Arabia to Protect King Saad from the Soudi people.

At the World Trade Center Towers in New York City and The Pentagon Americans were dying. While the troops in Soudi Arabia were enjoying imported Philapino prostitutes, and getting drunk.

Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Kuwait, United Arab Emerates, and many other dictatorships also enjoy the protection of American troops and millitary aid. For the benefit of a few American corporations that hide their profits in Caymen Island accounts. The Cash from the oil is not reinvested into the country of origin because it might help and educate the people, and destabalize the regimes in charge.

The people of these countrys have suffered long enough.

And they need freedom, a bill of rights and a constitution, and then ellections.

Not like in Iraq where the people voted in their next dictator. And all natural resources are controlled by the government, and all contracts for transporting and distributing the resources are government controlled. Resulting in total coruption and causing the curent situation in Iraq. No oil revanues are being invested in Iraq . instead the money is loaned to western countrys so we can buy new houses and cars, and benifit our economys, Sorry Iraqi people you are screwed!

The Bush admin started its own commi \ facist police state in Iraq So Haliburton can syphon off the oil while no one is looking.

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US soldiers stand guard and watch as a communist police state emerges in Iraq. Private ownership of natural resorces is illegal. This was put into affect at the time of the interim government directly controled by President Bush. The American people have not a clue as to what a waste of human life and resorces they just spent on this war , to replace Sadamm and his Bath party with an idetical system of government . . The ellection winner takes control of all oil profits. If there is some form of political party involved, the worst control freak in the bunch moves to the head of the class, due to the fact that that is in the best interest of the group to remain in power. like Sadam did with the bath party.
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Not all of the American people are clueless to this waste. only about 51% are.
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By SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer
21 minutes ago



RENO, Nev. - The U.S. military won't charge 16 American security contractors who were held by Marines in Iraq last summer for allegedly shooting at civilians and U.S. forces, a Navy spokesman said Tuesday.

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The Naval Criminal Investigative Service closed its criminal investigation "for lack of prosecutive merit," NCIS spokesman Ed Buice said in Washington. "There is not enough to go forward to seek charges."

The contractors were detained for three days in May because they were suspected of firing on Iraqi civilians' cars and U.S. forces in Fallujah, the Marines said at the time.

The security guards, who worked for Zapata Engineering based in Charlotte, N.C., denied firing any shots.

"They are cleared as much as you're ever cleared," said Mark Schopper, a Reno attorney representing four of the men. "Now they can go on with their lives again."

Several of the contractors said they were heckled, humiliated and physically abused by Marines who treated them like terrorists while they were held at Camp Fallujah with insurgents.

The NCIS did not investigate those claims, Buice said. The Marines deny the men were abused while detained.

"It's just a world of relief," said Peter Ginter, a 30-year-old ex-Marine who said he was kicked and had his head bounced off the pavement during his detention.

"We knew we were innocent and had been persecuted for something we didn't do," he said by telephone from Colorado Springs, Colo.

Maj. Gen. S.T. Johnson informed the contractors in a May 28 letter that they had been banned from all U.S. installations in Iraq because their convoy was speeding through Fallujah and "firing shots indiscriminately."

"Your actions endangered the lives of innocent Iraqis and U.S. service members in the area," Johnson wrote.

Matt Raiche, another contractor who lives in Dayton, Nev., said the Marines intimidated them with dogs and made them strip.

"There should not have been any investigation at all," said Raiche, 34. "We asked them what we were accused of and they would never say a word to us. All we heard was some guards talking, saying we were mercenaries."

Officials at Zapata did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment.

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Bombing civilians is not only immoral, it's ineffective

It was not allied area bombing that won the second world war, any more than did 'shock and awe' in Iraq in 2003

AC Grayling
Monday March 27, 2006
The Guardian


No one knows how many civilians have died violently in Iraq since the US-led invasion in 2003. The most careful assessment, by the website Iraq Body Count, estimates at least 36,000. The true figure could be three times higher. The uncertainty is explained by General Tommy Franks' now-notorious remark, "We don't do body counts."
Three interesting facts nevertheless help shape a sense of the possibilities. One is that the US forces insist that they use precision techniques to minimise "collateral damage". The second is that the coalition recently and controversially admitted using phosphorus weapons in its attack on Falluja. The third is that one of the US marine air wings operating in Iraq announced in a press release in November 2005 that since the invasion began it had dropped more than half a million tons of explosives on Iraq.Comment

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Bombing civilians is not only immoral, it's ineffective

It was not allied area bombing that won the second world war, any more than did 'shock and awe' in Iraq in 2003

AC Grayling
Monday March 27, 2006
The Guardian


No one knows how many civilians have died violently in Iraq since the US-led invasion in 2003. The most careful assessment, by the website Iraq Body Count, estimates at least 36,000. The true figure could be three times higher. The uncertainty is explained by General Tommy Franks' now-notorious remark, "We don't do body counts."
Three interesting facts nevertheless help shape a sense of the possibilities. One is that the US forces insist that they use precision techniques to minimise "collateral damage". The second is that the coalition recently and controversially admitted using phosphorus weapons in its attack on Falluja. The third is that one of the US marine air wings operating in Iraq announced in a press release in November 2005 that since the invasion began it had dropped more than half a million tons of explosives on Iraq.


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The felt inconsistency between the first fact and the other two reminds one that ever since the deliberate mass bombing of civilians in the second world war, and as a direct response to it, the international community has outlawed the practice. It first tried to do so in the fourth Geneva convention of 1949, but the UK and the US would not agree, since to do so would have been an admission of guilt for their systematic "area bombing" of German and Japanese civilians.
But in 1977 a protocol was added to that convention at last outlawing civilian bombing, and the UK signed it. The US still has not done so. Because enough nations are signatories the protocol is now part of customary international law, putting the US out on a limb.

Looking at area bombing through the lens of the 1977 protocol explains why it has always been controversial. Even during the second world war there was a vigorous campaign opposing area bombing, most strongly supported in places such as London and Coventry which had themselves been "blitzed". One of the campaign's leaders was Vera Brittain, whose pamphlet Seed of Chaos caused an outcry in the US; not having been bombed, it was enthusiastic about flattening enemy cities and their occupants.

The second world war bombing story is clouded by misunderstandings, largely because the victor nations, rightly condemning the far greater crimes committed by nazism, have yet to inquire properly into aspects of their own behaviour.

Confessing to a tactic which for decades before 1939 had been universally condemned as immoral, and which from early in the war was recognised as having little military value (and indeed perhaps the opposite), would have invited awkward questions about why it was done, and seemed unfair to the airmen whose extraordinary courage and sacrifice was called upon to carry it out.

Defenders of the area-bombing campaigns point out that losing the war against such wicked, dangerous enemies would have been the biggest immorality of all. They are right. But stooping to tactics as barbarous as those of the axis powers could only have been justified if there were no other arguably better ways of using the bombing weapon.

It has been hypothesised that if allied bombing had been relentlessly focused on fuel and transport in Nazi-controlled Europe, the war would have been shorter by two years. To their credit, the Americans understood this and in Europe did not join the RAF in indiscriminate area bombing, but concentrated on these crucial assets. As a result they share with the Russian army the largest single credit for victory over nazism. But when the US got within bombing range of Japan it adopted the RAF tactic with a vengeance, and in less than a year killed as many Japanese civilians as were killed in Germany in the entire war.

Details are more eloquent than statistics. Night after night, for years, the RAF rained upon Germany's cities a mixture of high-explosive and incendiary bombs, the latter outnumbering the former by four to one. The high explosives blew out windows, doors and roofs, allowing fires to spread. The incendiaries variously contained petroleum jelly, phosphorus and oil-soaked rags. When phosphorus splashed on to a human being, burning ferociously, it could not be dislodged. Victims leapt into canals, but the flames would spontaneously reignite when they clambered out. Among the bombs were time-delay devices, set to explode at intervals in the hours and days after a raid to disrupt ambulance, firefighting and rescue services.

Compared to the weight and ferocity of RAF and US bombing, the Nazi "blitz" and its V-rocket attacks of 1944 were small beer. Yet it was not allied civilian bombing that won the second world war, any more than did "shock and awe" in Iraq in 2003. What both show is that bombing civilians is not only immoral, but ineffective. It takes nuclear weapons, delivering absolutely massive civilian extermination, to have the desired effect of reducing a people to submission; but employing such a tactic today would be self-defeating, for all it offers is victory over a radioactive wasteland.

The main lesson of second world war area bombing for the international community has been to define it as a war crime. Its main lesson for today's militaries, by contrast, appears to be: "Don't do body counts."

· AC Grayling's latest book is Among the Dead Cities: Was the Allied Bombing of Civilians in WWII a Necessity or a Crime?

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Fear Casts a Shadow on 'Free City' Touted by Bush
By Louise Roug, Times Staff Writer
March 26, 2006


TALL AFAR, Iraq — Last fall, thousands of U.S. and Iraqi troops descended on this ancient city close to the border with Syria. In the shadow of an Ottoman-era castle, they fought in narrow alleyways to clear the city of insurgents.

Last week, President Bush held up Tall Afar as an example of success in the country, calling it "a free city that gives reason for hope for a free Iraq."

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The large-scale offensive in September, dubbed "Restoring Rights," may have rid Tall Afar of hard-core insurgent cells. But today this ethnically mixed city has become mired in the same sectarian strife and economic problems that afflict much of the rest of the country.

Fear is palpable in the streets of Tall Afar. Residents complain that the city is increasingly divided as tribal violence sharpens the boundaries between Sunni and Shiite Muslim neighborhoods.

"Violence has increased, mortar attacks have increased, roadside bombs have increased," said Mohammed Taqi, a national legislator from the city who recently wrote to Iraq's interim president and prime minister, requesting that Tall Afar's administrative affairs be handled in Baghdad rather than the provincial capital, Mosul. The roads to that city — as well as two neighborhoods in Tall Afar — are controlled by insurgents, he said.

While acknowledging the rebel holdouts in the city, U.S. commanders here say that attacks have decreased significantly after last fall's offensive.

To prevent more violence, the streets have been blanketed with troops. Four thousand U.S. troops and 8,000 Iraqi troops as well as about 1,700 police officers are in the city of 200,000 residents, said Col. Sean MacFarland, commander of the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division.

"You can't go very far without seeing a patrol base or a checkpoint," he said.

But families in Tall Afar complain of no-go areas in the city, boundaries drawn up by sectarian violence or intimidation by rebels.

One sheik, Hashim Antar, said rebels were targeting Shiites to incite sectarian violence. These days, he said, Shiites cannot safely visit the city's only hospital.

"What is increasing is the targeting of the Shiites by the terrorist groups," he said.

MacFarland acknowledged that "there's a lot of intimidation going on" in the city, adding that most of the recent violence is between tribes.

"The situation is bad in Tall Afar," said Mohammed Abdullah, a 52-year-old retired government employee, as he was leaving the Khalil Yas mosque in the Sarai neighborhood Friday.

"Every day we hear about the police and the army clashing with armed men [and] random assassinations between the tribes," said Abdullah, a Sunni. "The people can't live their normal lives. The man is afraid of his brother."

A hospital official said 71 Tall Afar residents had been killed in the last five months.

Although U.S. troops will remain in and around Tall Afar, commanders have moved up the date of the city's transfer this year to the Iraqi army's control.

"Our goal is to slowly diminish the U.S. presence," MacFarland said.

In a press tour last week arranged by U.S. officials to highlight advances made in the city, Mayor Najim Abdullah Jubouri said he believed it would take at least three years before Iraqi security forces would be able to secure the city without the help of American forces.

Later that day, a mortar attack in the city wounded six children.

Devising an economic as well as a military strategy will be key to overcoming violence in the city, U.S. commanders say.

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"It's been said that you can't kill your way out of an insurgency, and it's true," MacFarland said. "I think a military-age male, after a hard day of digging the land, won't go out and plant" roadside bombs.

But six months after the U.S.-led operation destroyed parts of the city, the local government has not honored claims from thousands of families whose houses or businesses were ruined.

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The Iraqi government initially promised $50 million to rebuild the city, but not all of the money has arrived, said Mohammed Jimsheed, head of the city's reconstruction committee.

Money to compensate families has been allocated but not yet distributed, Jimsheed said, pointing to a holdup at the mayor's office.

The mayor said that processing paperwork for nearly 30,000 families had taken longer than expected and that, eventually, each family would receive 250,000 Iraqi dinars, or about $170.

Many of Tall Afar's residents remain displaced, some waiting for compensation to rebuild their homes, others fearing violence. MacFarland estimated that about a quarter of Tall Afar remained empty, with parts of the city still uninhabitable.

At the market, many shopkeepers draw the shutters and close their business as early as 4 p.m., afraid of walking through the city at night.

"The place here is not safe at all," said Salim Ibrahim, a local leader. He, like many others, is still apprehensive about Tall Afar's future. For now, he said, "it's a city of ghosts"
A special correspondent in Mosul contributed to this report

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At the World Trade Center Towers in New York City and The Pentagon Americans were dying. While the troops in Soudi Arabia were enjoying imported Philapino prostitutes, and getting drunk.

Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Kuwait, United Arab Emerates, and many other dictatorships also enjoy the protection of American troops and millitary aid. For the benefit of a few American corporations that hide their profits in Caymen Island accounts. The Cash from the oil is not reinvested into the country of origin because it might help and educate the people, and destabalize the regimes in charge.

So Shlik,

Ya ever been to any of these countries? You sure do seem to have a wealth of knowledge about them and how the military operates there.

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Smells like victory.
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I can honestly say I did feel something everytime I pulled the trigger when I was in Southwest Asia.....Recoil, varying amounts thereof depending on the weapon.

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Go over there highlander and those people will saw your head off and dump your carcas in a ditch, there children will dance on your grave, after they have some fun with your carcas, like they did in Mogadishu Somalia, in which 18 soldiers were ripped to shreds by local people who the USA was helping. get a clue. Go to Mogadishu , or Bagdad but dont bother me with your stupidity. You could't pay me to go to any of those **** holes. You are obviously dumb enough to go . No thanks for your service it's a disservice to humanity.
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You cowards will run from Iraq soon enough.
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When bush tells you to, your just a robot.
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8,000 deserters
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It makes one wonder what you call yourself?
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join them and I will have some respect for you.
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Independant thinker? Whos tired of puting a happy face on mass death and distruction.
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kihls....

you might as well get your own computer...

posting from the library won't hide you from the men in the white suits once they decide to come. [Razz]

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He was talking about pulling the trigger in asia, I have a responsibility to respond strongly to that.
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My girlfriend is asian, and I take those remarks very seriously. Highlander could be another Timothy Mc Veigh or Lee Harvey Oswald. or the DC sniper all came back from the American military with some disasociative behavior or Anger.
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Responding to Bush and his sickness is one thing, but championing similar idiocy and including us in the sickness is obviously an intended insult.

When you start pointing out the sickness of the Ben Ladens I'll start considering you are interested in the welfare of the world. Until than, you are just a sicko pain in the a$$ that needs to learn manners.

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I have stated the sad truth . What do you disagree with
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Hahahah

The notion that you can either know or understaand the truth is what I disagree with.

I repeat:

"When you start pointing out the sickness of the Ben Ladens I'll start considering you are interested in the welfare of the world. Until than, you are just a sicko pain in the a$$ that needs to learn manners."

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Shlik, you are truly an idiot. Southwest Asia basiclly refers to the Arabian peninsula and area around it. Your dumba$$ is referring to Southeast Asia. And I see you live in Renton. Very simple pal....Why don't you meet me in the Parking Lot of Seatac Mall on the backside near the entrance where the arcade sits. I'm hard to miss. When you see me, you'll understand. So what do you say? I say put up or shut up.

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he's not worth it Hilander....

i bet he has nipple rings [Big Grin]

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Yeah, I know. But fun is fun ya know.

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I guess i missed this one i have not been reading this side much lately. Kilhs have you lost it, you have just slapped a lot of service members in the face. If being angry after coming home from a combat zone put soldiers in the same category as Timothy McVeigh or Lee Harvey Oswald then you have now put 100 of millions of veterans and soldiers in this category. Why would any one be angry after spending time in combat? You have to be kidding me.
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It isn't just vets he's insulted, IWISHIHAD. He's declared that all of us, including those of us that have opposed dubya's idiotic war and his sick ways of handling it from the beginning, are responsible for the sickness that ensues. The Troups don't now and never did have much choice.....neither did the American people. We were all lied to and acted to support our country, under the assumption that we hadn't been lied to. That doesn't make us evil like the liars, just patriotic.
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heehee...

i didn't even have to go to Saudi Arabia..
i went straight to Subic and Olongapo.... [Wink]

anybody else ever been to Mariposa's or the Freaks Stagger Inn?

or the Maligaya Club, or the Brown Fox, or the Galaxy Club?

me butterfly [Razz]

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dang...been outta town too loooooong

Always thought I'd like to open Tex's INFO Bar...but now am wondering if Freaks Stagger Inn would make it here--quite a brand name

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