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I guess it was coming sooner or later if they go with amnesty it just shows this bunch does not like Americans the majority of Americans want this illegal immirgration stopped and illegals sent home and employers charged with the crime They have committed. They are suppose to be doing our will and they just refuse we did not elect this bunch of butter balls to come up with ways to work around the peoples will so go on and side with the illegal immirgrants instead of American citizens you will pay for going on the course you are taking because some day the American people might not pick you anymore
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The current crop of elected idiots and 'tards will just be replaced with a new crop of idiots and 'tards.
Immigration has only recently become a real hot-button issue. Sure, it's been around, but it never received this level of attention, and elected officials have never really been put on the hotseat about their stance on immigration.
If the fools that voted Bush into office knew he was ultra liberal on immigration, he very well might not have gotten elected.
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Bush's true colors are coming out now... his reckless, ultra liberal ways are coming to the surface.
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Your right it has just become a hot button now much to the regret of a lot of us . But for sure the illegals never took to the streets before demanding rights like American citizen either. What nerve and all our political officers toady up to them what a slap in the face to a US citizen. Just wait until they need sombody to fight there wars for them go find an illegal to defend the damn country for them. I know where they would be back in Mexico waiting for the war to end.
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There are way more illegals than 11 million. Times that number by about 3-4 to factor in the children of illegal immigrants who are born in America. You are then looking at 25-40 million people who dont belong here.
Maybe mexico wouldn't be a third world ****hole if all those people stayed there and worked to make their own country great. That would be nice, it would boost the american economy further if mexico had an economy of their own.
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quote from the article.. "Of course, businesses will continue to say that, "immigrants only take jobs Americans don't want." But what they really mean is that given what they would like to pay, and how they would like to treat their workers, they cannot find enough Americans. Therefore, employers want the government to continually increase the supply of labor by non-enforcement of immigration laws."
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I am watching some of the senate debates this morning both Dems and Repbs are in a panic that nothing gets passed that is pro what they are now calling blunt enforcement of law. Both side have there view and there is not a damn dimes worth of difference between them it all boils down to amnesty some thing that did not work in 1986 if it did we would not have this debate going on today. But they don't care and they want things the way they are,so hold on the shock wave is going to hit and the S/W will be the first victim but now slowly by the rest of you to get victimized with this program just wait til you see the new New Orleans 10 years from now Posts: 6008 | From: phoenix az | Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: Your right it has just become a hot button now much to the regret of a lot of us . But for sure the illegals never took to the streets before demanding rights like American citizen either. What nerve and all our political officers toady up to them what a slap in the face to a US citizen. Just wait until they need sombody to fight there wars for them go find an illegal to defend the damn country for them. I know where they would be back in Mexico waiting for the war to end.
The illegals took to the streets because they know the commander and chief of this nation supports their law-breaking lifestyle. Bush is pretty much standing out there with them, hand-in-hand.
I think Bush has finally solidified his place as America's worst president EVER!
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yeah, it's OK for a bunch of illegals to demonstrate and carry Mexican flags around our streets, but demonstraters in NYC at the GOP convention got thrown in jail, and then? as far as i can tell, they were never charged... just "detained"...
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Let the Morons enjoy this while they can and let the corrupt employers redirect the the heat while they can there bought and paid politico's can only say things like we can't deport 12 million people no we can't but we can stop employers over night and charge them put them out of business fast.The illegals with out employment would drift back to Mexico on there own. The businesses that would go under the vacume would be filled up fast. Why would anybody care what happens to a criminal who profits at tax payer expense and at the expense of our secuity and health. It is a very easy thing to cure when somebody breaks the law and causes the harm that this part of American business is causing they should pay for there crime instead of trying to make there crime legal like our corrupt houses of congress and President are. American people are sick of amnesty and such we want our country back. And the only immirgrants we want here are legal ones under the current law.
In 1986 when they granted amnesty the government told us it would be only to about a million people and we went along with it. Wound out about three million people came forward. I have a feeling that this time a lot more will come foward too, like the last time and if the Government lets the real figures out there is going to be more trouble than most people think. When are our elected people going to start to do the peoples will and enforce the law of the land?
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The excuse that business wants to use all the time is illegals only do the work Americans don't want to do is a load of crap I could write pages about why the pigs say that and it all has to do with labor and pay but lets not talk about that now .
Lets talk about the law they are breaking it and they are acting like all common crimminals act. They are making excuses to why they break the law. When somebody robs a bank and they say I did it because I lost my job and I needed money to feed my family we put him in jail and say that is no excuse he broke the the law and must pay no difference you hire an illegal you break the law and you must pay the over all affect on our country's citizens is much worse than a bank robbers.
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If we put these common criminals out of business we aren't getting rid of the modle American business person That is paying a decent wage and benifits so if a person is refering to a uaw workers losing his job I would venture to say he was loosing it for another reason besides immirgation at this point any way. Until labour get some power back and they will, the same reasons that brought unions into being are happening again and labour will start to organize once more. The class conflict will be here as long as there is humans and different classes.I did not make the rules I just reconize them.
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How many ways do they break the laws beyond just illegally immigrating? These peple marching with them should look at the corruption that follows these illegals. If these illegals have problems where they owe money (car accidents, excesive bills, etc.) they leave the country for awile get a new green card and return under a different name. Many years ago i worked for a company that hired them it was unbelievable the things they got away with. Let us do something illegal(rob a bank) in mass they go out and march to make a point of it and see how far the american citizens would get, they would be rounding us up in mass. The problem is there is so much money tied to illegal immigration and the big boys feed to much money to support our representatives.
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There is another thing beyond just employers not hiring these illegal immigrants what about if they were held to housing codes, pay for health care and on and on they wound not be able to afford to stay. All these things run up the american citizens cost of living which is very apparent in CA.
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Might as well grant 'em citizenship. At least we can tax 'em and get some of our money that we're spending on social services and education back out of 'em.
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Its not like we're gonna keep 'em out anyway. The government can't do what it would take to realy curb the flow across the border. I mean other than shooting them, I can't think of any other way of keeping 'em out. Besides, they do fill a niche in our economy. They perform a lot of jobs that Americans won't do. And when it comes to UAW auto workers losing their jobs. It's quite simple. The lack of quality in the products they make combined with over-inflated salaries for folks performing semi-skilled production line labor.
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I agree with you on the point of the uaw it was gm that turned out the garbage that nobody much wants any more and to some degree the uaw is to blame. Americans always did those jobs you are talking about and would in the future. As far as making them citizens go ahead pay them a fair wage give them health insureance that they can buy and enforce the the housing codes that they live in and most of all tax them and get the back taxes that they owe just like the irs would do to an American and garnish there damn wages if necessary to get it. No I would not shoot the illegals I would shoot the employers if I had to shoot anybody they are the real criminals. As far as keeping them out nobody gives them a job why would they come and you can control the employers very easy.
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They would not want to be citizens, that's why the media keeps pushing the idea americans will not work for these wages, citizens can not afford to live a normal livestyle with the wages the illegals make without breaking the laws. Many of the illegals are taking their money and sending it to Mexico where the cost of living is nothing compared to the US. then joining their money later and a new bunch comes over. The amount of money leaving the US. into Mexico is very large. These costs that are fed into our economy by allowing this to happen is really bad. In CA. we are running so many younger people out of the state because of the lack of apartment space available at a reasonable price, a lot of this has to do with the large amount of illegals using up this space with multi families living in one apartment or house thus causing a shortage, forcing prices up. These people out they protesting with these illegals should look at all the issues before they follow, but they will have to dig deep to find them because a lot of big money does not want you to find them.
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Bottom line to all these problems is the greed we are seeing in the top end of many companies in employees wanting more and more of the income and less and less for the rest of the employees. There are all kinds of excuses why so few people should have such a large amount of the income and why we need lower wage employees. But if you put restraints on imports we could have higher wages because factories could feed all the costs that are higher in the US. and still make profit and pay employees more to do these jobs. But in the US. there is that increasing factor to keep most of the money in a few employees pockets and not give much to the average worker. It is sad to see how income is spread in a lot of the US. companies these days for the benefit of a few. This is going to catch up with us at some point because we are going to have so many people that can not make enough money to live even though the dollar amount seems big if you compare it to past years, but the cost of living goes up. These big companies are finding all kinds of ways to cut back benefits to employees while increasing their profits while the upper 5% live like kings.
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Besides who the hell can sit there and say what an over inflated wage is. What about all the prices that go up. We have been trained in this country to be a bunch of damn sheep we are to blame for all the ills to lazy to work want to much pay now you really want to make things right go after wind fall profits,corporate welfare. corpate tax fraud, Ecology violations,slum lords. you could go on its just a mater of time before people wake up and figure out it never was there fault. If it was not for illegals think of all the money that would stay in our economy and help local business. The amount of money that leaves and never come back must be amazing. Mexico admits it is the fourth larges amount of revenue coming into Northern Mexico. And don't for get this all happens at tax payers expense. Education,medical,crime,and the amount of tax revenue. But why would this bunch of free loading business leaches care they are looking at paying a belowe average wage and they say screw the country.Most of them have got there taxes lowerd and as far as they are concerned to bad , if you find out about there life most of them my age were draft dodgers to.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Lets do what we need to do to secure the border NOW. Lets worry about what to do with those that crossed illegally later.
And, I agree. American businesses need to stop exploiting other nations. I would suggest making it law that a business that wishes to open a plant in another country can feel free to do so...however, in order to continue being considered an American company they must still abide but United States labor laws in their foreign worksites. Including minimum wage laws.
That ought to change how business gets done in Mexico quickly and should slow the tide of outsourcing by large American companies.
The Bigfoot
Great Idea! Has this been spoken of in Congress yet?
We could also tax those businesses more heavily that are moving outside our borders that are shipping back into the U.S. This may just cause businesses to leave all together and become a part of another country's economy, but it's something to think about and debate.
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Sounds like a good idea to do all that but you are forgetting nafta wich was designed to stop all that and let American business move to Mexico and do what it is doing now. Of course they don't dicuss that in congress they are not there to find a solution. They are there to make sure certain interest are protected
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: hmmmm... imposing a 5% federal tax on wire transfers out of the country? now that is a good idea......
Absolutely!
I had to let this one sink in a bit more. I would think that most of the illegals here sending funds back to Mexico would be using the USPS? So, this would kind of kill this thought.
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no you don't have to send them back they will leave if there is no jobs. But I will tell you this I live in the south west and I think you are going to be very surprised at the number of illegals when it comes in. I was shocked last time at 3 million that applied for amnesty. This time I can see them all over AZ. like I have never seen them before. And they have spread nation wide. Canada was smart they started to kick them out before they became a big problem we on the other hand have got a real problem here.
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It's no wonder no one wants to deal with it. In order to clean it up we would have to clean up the way businesses check for identification. We would have to clean up how identification is given so it is not easy to make forgeries that work. We would have to clean up the way the justice system works so those that break the laws are really held accountable. We would have to change the way the goverment collects payment so that those fines actually mean anything. We would have to .............
The list keeps going on and on and on and on!
And the whole way there people will be fighting every piece of legislation because everybody loves the underdog. Especially when they can get things from them cheap.
Who cares about drug running? I don't do 'em and those that do will get what's comming to them.
Who cares about the criminals? I don't live in Southern Cali, so that doesn't affect me.
Who cares about 13 yr old girls who put themselves in the hands of "professional border crossers" and end up spending the next 5-10 years of their lives with thier pants around their ankles. Don't see em, don't think about 'em. All I see is cheap labor who do "jobs americans won't" ...at least.... jobs they won't do for 8 bucks an hour.
And I hear the sob stories about how their mother lives in squallor making 6 dollars a day. That's so SAD! I have to help these people!
Guess what? You won't fix Mexico that way.
Close the damn border, give people six month's to officially register as a guest resident and get on the up and up. Put them in line to get full residency AFTER those who did it the right way and ANYONE who commits a violent crime while on the list or who's past record indicates criminal activity gets shipped out immidiately! After the six months are up take out anyone and everyone who didn't do it right, take photo's, fingerprints, and DNA. And put them on a list of people who are REJECTED from ever entering the United States again.
The Bigfoot
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where it's going? *Everybody* will have to be licensed to work at whatever the trade/craft/profession...from dishwashers to "wander-around-looking-for-scratchoff-tickets gatherers," from lawnmowers to whores to artists...
As usual, the real problem ain't at the human, individual level...
For instance, when I do computer network stuff? Have no need for day-workers...when I install neon? nope
But doing project work for apartments, office buildings, etc? Sure.
Why? can't use machines to dig trenches because nobody maps what else is underground. Ditch-witches will smash irrigation and jerk for hundreds of yards any cable (telephony, TV, irrigation controllers, fiber optics {less so, but still a mess}, water lines)...
why? nobody is required to map their work...
ya, primary comes under one rule, secondary under another...but after that, it's a clusterphuk free-for-all. Yet, if you damage previous work, it's up to you to fix it. Therefore, what may have been $5k profit is now a $3k loss...quite a swing.
Market forces are at work...
my humble suggestion is two-pronged: 1) do *something* locally to better your community 2) reserve your "higher-greater-good" efforts for cleaning up trading and the SEC--that's where the real dough is leaving the country...
But the border has been a devils playground for years. Lawlessness is getting worse, not better.
I'm really not as militant as my last post suggests but *something* need to happen. As much for those that are crossing the border as for Americans.
How many people have died trying to swim the Rio Grande? Or suffocated in a trailer while getting smuggled across? How many people paid someone to take them across only to be taken out into the wilderness and left? Or worse?
Mexico can't solve the problem. Indeed, their government is supporting the idea of crossing the border illegally as the right and priviledge of Mexican's as a member of North America.
If they can't/won't take care of it then we owe it to the people who get hurt each day by the compromising situations they are put in attempting to get past our security to make it an unattractive option.
We either have to beef up our security so it actually works...Or bring American standards down to the Mexican level so it isn't attractive to come to the country illegally. Somehow I don't think that will get much support either.
The Bigfoot
P.S. Tex, I hate to break it to you but we are all licensed already. That 9 diggit number that isn't supposed to be used as a way to keep tabs on you is all the license that is needed. It is the weakness inherent in the system that was put there on purpose so people wouldn't get freaked out about being a number that allows so much identity theft and fraudulent numbers to happen.
I've worked a lot of security in my time. Cameras, RFID, etc.
Anyone who really wanted to abuse the system and track movements, invade privacy, etc. could do it. But it would take a hell of a lot of time and be very hard to conceal. I really think the stigma on all that is out of proportion.
(Wire-taps without a court order are something else entirely. That I do NOT support).
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the license I'm talking about is when the inspector comes to the job site...
Imagine this: theortically, any inspector on any job-site can pull every worker's license...ooooh, what a flurry at most sites in the Southwest when that actually happens... (I don't know about the rest of the world)
Dig this: who's checking licenses at network installations?
cameras? one time in, and I can manipulate most cameras simply by approach. Not even considering hacking.
seriously, the market is the problem/opportunity, and the market is the downfall/answer...
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I hear all you guys and there ain't no easy answer and there ain't no nice answer. Somebody is going to get the bad end of the stick,and I bet it is us like big foot says he think Mexico should raise its standards he is right I say American employers are to blame for the problem they dangle the baited hook and the bait is the promiss of a job to a person that is starving so he will risk his life on the dangerous trip. But none of this helps Mexico either or most of all the Mexican people. And then there is the people that jump the fence people blame them the weakest of the lot.I think the only solution is to annex Mexico and bring ou law and standards with us. Put Fox naked in a cage and give him to the Mexican people to get rid of.
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