These insurgents are fighting for their religion. no other religion in the world do i know of that is so suicidal, crazy, or just outright brainwashed. an enemy who lives as if death was a reward is a very very dangerous enemy.
other wars....fighting for say govt issues like coups, or control of land...those are petty power and control issues. these religous struggles are crazy.
you ever hear the calls for jihad over mosques 5 times a day you will know exactly what i am talking about. lunch prayer call, then a speech by a militant sheik....boy you better get your armor on because in 10 min after the call to jihad is made from the mosque tower you will be dodging 7.62 and driving through more IEDs than you know what to do
these people are brainwashed. kind of like richard simmons followers. nah just kidding....but seriously
and im not saying islam is bad because thats not politically correct, but if i do remember correctly...islam was spread by the sword.
yeah yeah there were the crusades and all these medieval expeditions, but none like this.
mark my words on this post....this is just the tip of the iceberg. just wait in 5, 10 years and see how much more crazy this world will be. it wont be border jumpers, it wont be hedge funds or PETA. it is going to be horrific attacks by these groups. anyone notice the trend? every year more and more attacks. every year in europe there is an attack someplace...or in indonesia. did you know indonesia and africa are the most rapidly growing islamic regions of the world? and islam is the fastest growing religion?
an open, intriques, adaptive, and curious mindset will lead you to an eye opening observation of just how global, dangerous, and rapidly growing this problem is.
the war on terror is SO ...SO important, but IMO has been HIJACKED...by...SOMEONE to get us stuck in iraq.
resources all in iraq, when we really need to be elsewhere.
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oh man i had to post again. i enjoy reeading some of your posts. id like to touch up on something that involves the whole civil war issue.
there were times when we saw iraqis fighting EACHOTHER. this is not an uncommon thing. some of these families or tribes date back to ancient times....bloodlines held strong with tribal fueds dating back centuries. its rather interesting to be honest. i believe a sunni group was behind that attack on the mosque. it will be like this forever.
i mean did bush REALLY think that these religous factions would just lay down their arms and embrace one another? a 180 degree turn in THIR culture? man..i thought he would know better than that!
how long did it take th IRA to step down? that was a small group compared to what we are up against
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"...did bush REALLY think that these religous factions would just lay down their arms and embrace one another? a 180 degree turn in THIR culture? man..i thought he would know better than that!"
It's a good question....one that many of us ask out loud befor the invasion and the Party line was to attack us and holler "Bush hater.....UNAMARICAN!......the whole world agrees with Bush" and so on, instead of addressing the question. Though you have pointed a finger almost right at th central problem (Bush is not very bright) you are still missing a fundamental ingredient.
You dismiss the Crusades as something that happened way back yonder and clearly irrelavent, but you are forgetting that Bush too is "way back there and irrelevent" when it comes to religion and history. He truely believed that he would take over Iraq and the Iraqis would not only worship him for disrupting everything they understood to be civilization, then that worship would allow him to install his version of Christianity in the Arab world.
Think I'm imagining way too much? Then re-listen to his speaches on Social Secutrity and health care and so on and on and on.....he really believes THIS country, The United States of America, MUST be pleaced under the control of the hard line fanatical religious right wing. Just like the leasers of the Crusades, Bush believed that the Moslems hated their religion and only accepted it because it was forced on them. Then, when they (then it was the Crusaders, now it is Bush) freed the people of middle east from he dictatorial Moslems, the people would "naturally" choose the Christianity of those that freed them from Islam....the Christianity they would imbrace would be the old old kind, of course.....the variety Bush wants to control us with too.
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A very interesting observation bdgee, I have to say I give your out look a lot of merit. I thought he was just stupid and a dupe that the wealthy had in thier pocket.I thought they were using him as a means to transfer wealth to themselves. But now I know that it is both at the expense of the kool-aide drinkers, who are still voting away there assetts. I never gave the president credit for being a pompus ass with an ego.
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well, CCM, i think Bush (and the neo-con group, see new american century http://www.newamericancentury.org/ ) was listening to Chalabi and some other Iraqi ex-patriates that were trying to take over a country from outside... the American faction wanted to believe they could make a lot of money on the deal...
for some reason? the Oil Co's themselves blocked the neo-cons efforts to privatise Iraq's oil...
it's been interesting to watch the neo-cons "back off" of Bush as the plans failed... William Kristal in specific has had some ugly things to say considering how he and his "crew" were so intent on getting this war started...
William F. Buckley another real conservative drum beater, recently said: "One can't doubt the American objective in Iraq has failed."....
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Sorry CashCowMoo did not mean to work you up and bring back those bad memories. I am sure it is very frustrating to serve in Iraq the way the game is being played. In the coming years we will see more and more of the Iraq veterans homeless- living on the streets another sad example of what happens after these wars. At one point several years ago it was estimated that 50% of the homeless were Vietnam Vets. Where is our gov. when these vets need help?
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vets get screwed....i have buddies who are serisouly ill, and the army is FIGHTING to not give them financial compensation. its horrible..they want to pat your back, slapp your butt, high five all the way there. once you get back its wam bam thank you mam see you next year when you have to go back.
yeah its getting BETTER, but....bush failed to plan for th byproducts of this war. PTSD, tens of THOUSANDS of disabled veterans.
i also believe that having christianity in th govt isnt as bad as many would think. better than islam, or pagan. now...christianity itself has beene hijacked into a political machine. thats why many of those her dont like the conservative right. however this country was FOUNDED on good moral beliefs, and principle. hard work, masonry, and the seeking of knowledge.
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And on a very strict and blunt refusal to allow any influence from any church to influence the function of government, particularly that one the founders were the most familiar with.
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Yep CashCowMoo that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is the worst for some. I think every person in a combat zone has some form of it, to what degree and how it effects your life is the important part. You don't even know you do some weird things until you read about ptsd symptoms. These things are not necessarily bad but are present in your life. Some vets are not comfortable with people standing behind them, others change jobs a lot sometimes 20 or 30 times in 10 years. Sometimes the worst parts do not sneak up on them till many years later. But at times you look back on the experience and say i still would have done it, because i would not have known how adaptable the american citzen can be (and youself), when they have to be. To bad we not have a good cause to use that adaptability if that is the right word.
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Are there any AWOL's in Iraq(American)? I do not see any news about this. Are there many AWOL's when the troops come home. Another thing they have in the Iraq wars that we did not have in any past wars are cell phones. I thought this would be great from a standpoint of talking with family a lot more often, but the problem is that soldiers especilly the combat soldier (11 bavo etc.) has to be on edge and at times frustrated, then they call home (especially married with families) and these families at home are also frustrated and its so easy to say the wrong things without meaning them. In past wars the main communication was writing which gave you a lot more time to settle down and think about what you said. Sometimes slower might be better.
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