You may be correct on that for the simple reason that anyone younger than the age of 45 has been educated by individuals who teach opinions of the Constitution, not the actual Constitution. I was one of them and shared that view until I actually took the time to read the Constitution. I quickly discovered that the lessons I learned were incorrect.
There are many that share my view, just not many here.
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Then Washington wouldn't have done anything because GW never deserted. You need to get your facts straight instead of reading trash.
Desertion as well as AWOL (absence without leave) are both covered under military regulations which can be readily found on the net.
Desertion doesn't fit, no matter how you look at it. AWOL is a possibility but the killer of that is HE WAS NEVER CHARGED. So, no AWOL either.
People love to say, he has no pay records for that time and they can't verify he served. The VERY first lesson I was taught upon entering the administrative office of my Reserve unit was to keep every scrap of paper I ever receive concerning orders or pay because the government will probably lose them. And you know what, they did. I did keep most of my records but most people just threw them in the trash after getting their check.
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Then Washington wouldn't have done anything because GW never deserted. You need to get your facts straight instead of reading trash.
Desertion as well as AWOL (absence without leave) are both covered under military regulations which can be readily found on the net.
Desertion doesn't fit, no matter how you look at it. AWOL is a possibility but the killer of that is HE WAS NEVER CHARGED. So, no AWOL either.
People love to say, he has no pay records for that time and they can't verify he served. The VERY first lesson I was taught upon entering the administrative office of my Reserve unit was to keep every scrap of paper I ever receive concerning orders or pay because the government will probably lose them. And you know what, they did. I did keep most of my records but most people just threw them in the trash after getting their check.
I got my facts straight!
It is you that is relying Party line BS that supplies fabrications for fact .
Bush refused to report for duty, as was detailed by his commanding officer, to whome he was to report at that time. When his daddy learned of it, "operatives" appeared and the reports were stopped. Prior to that he refused an order to appear for examination to the Flight Surgeon for (there is evidence covered up in his daddy's secret library files that he was not going to pass the drug test).
Get off this silly crap about "military definitions" of crimes, and get off the absurd lie about dubya's military files being available to the public. He failed to report for duty on two occasions ammounting to over 20% of the time he had sworn to serve. That's desertion! Moreover, the complete records of dubya's military history was, by presidential order immediately after he was sworn into office, classified as secret and not to be released until a date well after his death.
Note carefully, that parts of those military records (parts that dubya's crew couldn't find to squirrel off to College Station and hide, since they were lost, even to them) you are so certain are so complete and carefully kept and always available seem to have been "lost" and reappeared in Colorado only via serious searching by reporters and (what dubya and crew describe as un-American and aiding the enemy) "leaking" of that data to the press.
The habitually liar did desert and the habuitual liar did hide the records!
No, I actually went to the department of defense and looked up the articles (as in laws not news) which outline the offenses of desertion and AWOL.
I am also former military so I was already familier with the definitions and proceedures involved.
Please provide your proof that Bush refused to report for duty. This does nothing but show your ignorance of the Reseve system.
When you are a reservist, you are a civilian first. There are many times when service can be and is deferred. The flight surgeons physical is a prime example. Now there is evidence he was going to fail a drug test?????????? Get real.
So military definitions of crimes are now "crap"
ROTFLMAO
There is no evidence he failed to report. It is "crap" that this abscence of evidence proves a crime of desertion.
Please provide evidence that a Presidential order was utilized to seal Bush's records. Every source I've seen says Bush has released all documents in his posession.
I don't consider any military records as being complete and carefully kept and always available. I even said as much in my previous post. Just the opposite is the truth. The military maintains a terrible record keeping system. There are storage sites all over the states and each subdivision or branch of the military keeps them in different locations. Bush's records were not computerized, they were microfiched at best and possibly still in hard copy.
Please provide evidence that Bush claimed reporters searching for his records are "un-American.
You really shouldn't describe people, Bush included becuase you are essentially only describing yourself. It is you that is lying and spewing BS.
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Hahahaha. The Department of defense reports directly to prince George, who issued a presidential upong attaining the Presidency that they would hold all of his military records secret, except specific one he might choose to provide.
Get real!
He was arrected twice on drug charges and was convicted.
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Then I present the same challenge to you. Bring on the evidence that GW was going to fail a drug test and that was the reason he didn't go to his physical.
I don't live in a vacuum. I simply need proof before I make some baseless accusation. There are tons of rumors just like the ones bdgee is spreading around. Few if any have any truth to them and it is tiresome when lies is the best they can find on the guy. For me, the two DUI convictions are sufficient to make me question him, but many people make mistakes in their youth.
bdgee,
ROTFLMAO
Bring on the evidence of Bush's secret military records. Somehow, I don't believe you will do so.
I really do get a kick out of your posts. So now he has been convicted on two drug charges. Good one. I guess alcohol is a drug, shame for your sake it isn't classified as such under the law.
You are lying again, must be habitual. Funny, I seem to recall you describing someone else of that. Yes, GW Bush. It really is amazing how perfectly you describe yourself when describing others.
I'm very curious as to Bush's other vulgar habits.
You are lying again, must be habitual. Funny, I seem to recall you describing someone else of that. Yes, GW Bush. It really is amazing how perfectly you describe yourself when describing others.
I'm very curious as to Bush's other vulgar habits.
I'm waiting on that evidence.
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That isn't proof. It is a National Enquirer piece on a book.
Proof requires EVIDENCE, not statements by people who may or may not have either a grude to bear or a book to sell.
Try again.
I have no need to prove he didn't, I'm not making any claims that he didn't. I cannot prove he never snorted cocaine, but you cannot prove he ever did either.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: So, provide what you believe is evidence that he didn't.
doesn't work like that bdee... innocent untill proven guilty... you commies keep forgetting this stuff...
that may be so DQR, but you guys are forgetting something, private discussions secretly recorded and held by George W Bush with Doug Wead, a Minister, and one of his fathers advisors while he was president, do in fact clearly suggest he used marijuana,and cocaine: Mr Bush has spoken frequently about a drink problem in his youth, which ended with an apparent religious awakening at the age of 40, but he has never admitted taking illegal drugs.
On the tape, however, the future president discusses his refusal to answer questions about whether he took marijuana.
"I wouldn't answer the marijuana question," he says.
"You know why? 'Cause I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."
He feared that any such admission might affect his standing if he won the presidency.
"You gotta understand, I want to be president, I want to lead," he tells Mr Wead.
"Do you want your little kid to say 'Hey daddy, President Bush tried marijuana, I think I will'?"
In response to a remark by Mr Wead that the future president had publicly denied using cocaine, he said, quoted by the New York Times: "I haven't denied anything."
He said that he would continue to refuse to comment on allegations of drug use.
"I am just not going to answer those questions," he said. "And it might cost me the election."
'I won't kick gays'
In the tapes, Mr Bush mocks Al Gore, his opponent in the 2000 elections, for admitting to smoking cannabis, and also dismisses him as a liar.
The BBC's Michael Buchanan in Washington says that what is perhaps most remarkable about the conversations is how early Mr Bush realised the importance of reaching out to Christian conservatives.
Speaking in advance of a meeting with Christian leaders in September 1998, he is heard saying: "There are some proper ways to say things and some improper ways. I am going to say I've accepted Christ into my life. And that's a true statement."
And while standing in the Republican primaries in 1999, Mr Bush apparently ruled out Colin Powell and Tom Ridge as vice-presidential candidates because they favoured abortion rights.
But he refused to bow to conservative pressure on him to criticise homosexuals.
"I'm not going to kick gays because I'm a sinner. How can I differentiate sin?" he claimed on the tape to have told James Robison, an evangelical minister in Texas.
Bush did INDIRECTLY admit to using illegal drugs and Rove "fixed" the problem in his own unique way.... i'll dig up the story on how Rove made sure nobody would come forward if you like, it was very ingenious.....
you see? i WAS a McCain supporter, and did a lot of reading on the how and why Bush stole the GOP nomination from McCain...i coulda cared lessa 'bout Gore...
you guys that support him no matter what? are just blind by choice...
he's only huMAN he's not perfect
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I don't really doubt that there was some drug use in Bush's past. It is a rare person these days who does not have some experience in drugs. He hasn't admitted to it, he hasn't denied it. But most important for the purposes of this discussion, he was never convicted of it or even charged for that matter.
I don't support Bush blindly. I consider him to be average at best. There are better men out there that could do the job but few of them have the desire to be put through what the President must go through to get the office and maintain the office. I don't see things improving much in the next election. The Democrats go further away from the center with each nomination, the Republicans can't get anyone to commit. I expect the Democrats to nominate Hillary and although I despise the woman, she is a much better candidate than either Gore or Kerry. That in itself is a plus. Hard to tell with the Republicans, Rice or Guiliani seem to be top runners, Powell has declined. No one else seems to be even mentioned seriously. It's very early, hopefully things will improve.
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quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: funny, in a conversation here at home, just now that came up...the McCain loss...still smarts for some folks
damn right it samrts. it smarted worse to me than Clinton beating Dole....
why? because Bush's people did some of the most underhanded things ever to their VERY OWN PARTY, if they'll do that within the party? why would anybody expect them to be patriotic to the nation or the people....
it's just like Clinton cheating on his wife, heck yeah he'd cheat US too...
i see no differnece between Clinton and Bush's moral fiber...
you should read some of those debates from the primaries where Bush didn't know jack about anything, it was sad
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I truely hope you are right and I am wrong. It would be of enormous value to the Nation to have responsible leadership in the party again. As it is, I fear for the our future.
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Reminds me of the Roman Senate in history. Much similarities between the 2.
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I truely hope you are right and I am wrong. It would be of enormous value to the Nation to have responsible leadership in the party again. As it is, I fear for the our future.
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Just how is the Patriot Act and duby'a interpretation of presidential powers any different from the absolute takeover of the German Republic by Hitler in the 30?
And I don't mean some damned Republican Party line answer telling me the War on Terror is a real war and Bush is a good guy.
Good guys don't rig elections, or start wars to stop the investigations that would have proved it, and lie to the public in order build an false excuse to start the war war.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Just how is the Patriot Act and duby'a interpretation of presidential powers any different from the absolute takeover of the German Republic by Hitler in the 30?
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Since 911 when the soudi arabian terrorists trained in america to fly 747s , trained in afganastan to slit a flight atendants throat with a box knife, then killed 3,000 americans in a suicide attack with four jet airplanes.
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simple: without going to Afghanistan? A lot of that chit on the street would be suicide bombers, or equivalent...
Do I agree with Irag strategy? nah...but. believe me--you don't want that crap here. As a nation, we're too soft; fat, outta shape, psychological babies
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