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There's been a lot of political talk lately, which is fine, great, or whatever positive term you want to chose. However, it really seems as of late, the conversation (from both sides) has gone down the tubes.
I have no problems admitted that I am very conservative in my views. I don't mind people questioning my beliefs. In fact, I would strongly encourage everyone here to question there own beliefs.
Here's the problem ... lately, when someone has run out of valuable information to add to the conversation, they just call the "other side" an idiot or brainless. I've seen it from both (or more) sides. I've only addressed it a few times here, but it has really detracted from good conversations.
So if you can't think of anything to say just go back to trading stocks. Lay off using aimless exagerations.
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I've noticed it's usually the right-wingers who sling the insults around. Just an observation. Posts: 3243 | From: California | Registered: Jul 2005
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I tried to correct some extreme exagerations on another post. I asked for some evidence to support what the person was saying. Since there was none the person just said that I am a rightwing radical, and started going off on me about me insulting Clinton. The funny thing was that I never said a bad thing about Clinton at anytime. Then I was accused of implying things that I wasnt saying or even hinting at. I dont care about republican or democrat, but people would do well to examine facts without having a predetermined position based on there political belief. I know bush has made some dumb decisions. If you want to bash go ahead. But for the sake of having any credibility yourself, please support what you say with evidence. It has become clear to me that some people dont examine the facts but jump to conclusions and then post stupid things like that bush went to war so people would forget about 911. In another post I explained how this is completly illogical and how bush had a high approval rating before the war. What was the response. That there was no evidence to support my saying there was no evidence. How cant I even try to speak when I get that kind of response. The accuser is the one who needs to show evidence. Otherwise you can just make up anything and ask for evidence disproving it. I see other posts with things that are illogical too. I wont try to correct it because im convinced that people dont want truth but would rather believe what they want to. I say just let people live in there own fake reality and leave them alone. I will just go back to trading stocks and wil let people say what they want.
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In some sense, you are all right, but 4Art is the rightest. (Man, that's a twist! Right?).
The far right wingers spend so much time listening and reading the hate talk of Ann Coulter, Fat Rush the Doper, Pat Robertson, and so on and on, declaring anyone that isn't goose stepping in tune with their campaign of controlling the Motherland and helping Tom Delay take more Lebensraum, they believe it is socially acceptable to insult first, then they never bother getting around to learning later. Manners are a whole lot more than just what great aunt Tillie told you was the way to eat in formal ocassions in front of strangers how to address your elders and answer the phone.
Why are the followers of the Party so surprised that others laugh at their ideas and schemes and dismiss them as nonsense, when they are presented as an assault amongst a stream of degrading insults? If you treat them the way they treat anyone not goose stepping with them, they declare you to be "unpatriotic" or "damaging the reputation of the President" or "needing to shut up in a time of war" or some other crap meant to be damaging and degrading.
I don't suggest this if you value the health of your brain, but if you doubt what I say, turn on the radio and sample just about 10 minutes worth of Fat Rush the Doper. You'll hear him call any and every non-republican he can manage to name or identify an idiot, he'll make at least two false and vulgar accusations about either or both of the Clintons, he'll tell at least three lies about the Constitution and pre-insult anyone that may challenge those lies, and.....and.....and those are just starters.
Chadsly, you say, "Here's the problem ... lately, when someone has run out of valuable information to add to the conversation, they just call the "other side" an idiot or brainless." (Yep, so very true! We tried to tell you what you sounded and acted like, but you were so intent on yelling so we couldn't enter the conversation, you never heard us.) But I can't help but wonder a couple of things. (1)Why have you not noticed only lately? It's been the standard debating technique of the far right's political agenda for at least 30 years. (2)Haven't you noticed that, for a generation or more, the more educted the person, the more likely they are to reject even listenting to your arguments by attack? A claim of debate for what is merely an attack on the character of the oponent rather than a logical development is insulting to the observer as well as the oponent.
Yes, "lately" I've begun to see more "non" far right wingers that have given up and decided to dispense with courtesies and treat the Party lackies in the manner the Party treats the world. Less debate, more labels and insults! And little chance of cooperation. Where is the loss in not offering to compromize with those that never compromize? (I think I am also seeing more and more non-Americans treating us the way Bush treats the World).
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: In some sense, you are all right, but 4Art is the rightest. (Man, that's a twist! Right?).
The far right wingers spend so much time listening and reading the hate talk of Ann Coulter, Fat Rush the Doper, Pat Robertson, and so on and on, declaring anyone that isn't goose stepping in tune with their campaign of controlling the Motherland and helping Tom Delay take more Lebensraum, they believe it is socially acceptable to insult first, then they never bother getting around to learning later. Manners are a whole lot more than just what great aunt Tillie told you was the way to eat in formal ocassions in front of strangers how to address your elders and answer the phone.
Why are the followers of the Party so surprised that others laugh at their ideas and schemes and dismiss them as nonsense, when they are presented as an assault amongst a stream of degrading insults? If you treat them the way they treat anyone not goose stepping with them, they declare you to be "unpatriotic" or "damaging the reputation of the President" or "needing to shut up in a time of war" or some other crap meant to be damaging and degrading.
I don't suggest this if you value the health of your brain, but if you doubt what I say, turn on the radio and sample just about 10 minutes worth of Fat Rush the Doper. You'll hear him call any and every non-republican he can manage to name or identify an idiot, he'll make at least two false and vulgar accusations about either or both of the Clintons, he'll tell at least three lies about the Constitution and pre-insult anyone that may challenge those lies, and.....and.....and those are just starters.
Chadsly, you say, "Here's the problem ... lately, when someone has run out of valuable information to add to the conversation, they just call the "other side" an idiot or brainless." (Yep, so very true! We tried to tell you what you sounded and acted like, but you were so intent on yelling so we couldn't enter the conversation, you never heard us.) But I can't help but wonder a couple of things. (1)Why have you not noticed only lately? It's been the standard debating technique of the far right's political agenda for at least 30 years. (2)Haven't you noticed that, for a generation or more, the more educted the person, the more likely they are to reject even listenting to your arguments by attack? A claim of debate for what is merely an attack on the character of the oponent rather than a logical development is insulting to the observer as well as the oponent.
Yes, "lately" I've begun to see more "non" far right wingers that have given up and decided to dispense with courtesies and treat the Party lackies in the manner the Party treats the world. Less debate, more labels and insults! And little chance of cooperation. Where is the loss in not offering to compromize with those that never compromize? (I think I am also seeing more and more non-Americans treating us the way Bush treats the World).
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quote:Originally posted by 4Art: I've noticed it's usually the right-wingers who sling the insults around. Just an observation.
Pot....kettle....
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