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Bdgee, figured out how the National Guard thing was working. The Guard soldiers are being mobilized under the respective states funding. When all is said and done, the Federal Govt will reimburse the states for the soldiers they send.
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the hurricane didn't take new orleans, the levee breaking did,
evecuation is not the crisis issue here...
the only severe mismanagement i see has been the lack of immediate delivery of MRE's and botttled water...
there is no ecxcuse for letting people die of dehydration in a crisis...and this shoulda been a no-brainer...
everything else is pretty much the kind of flexible response people in a FREE socitety should expect...the good and the bad....
as far as helping?
locally we are preparing packages that people need to live, some things youmight not think to include are:
underwear, bed linens--PILLOWS
feminine hygeine products
books, magazines for kids and adults etc..
looking a little further ahead?
towns across america need to identify rental property in their community and jobs for diplaced people.. Texas has served well, but she can't just take all these people and hold 'em...
these people need to re-integrate into society while we clean up and re-build..and that will take us months to years
so find a place in your community that will allow them to have some meaning, not just be a "pet" as some disgusting poster recently suggested...
time to consider what it means to be a MENTOR
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Let's examine a few simple minded atempts to justify the failure of the jerks in the Administration.
Assertion 1: "Fact...the Gov of NO needs to call the president to ask for help not announce it on cnbc foxnews or any other channel did she????????? yes or no????? "
No! Where ever did you find any law or other requirement that proscrivbes that the Governor of a state must submit a request for aid in an emergency through some specified procedure? Until you can provide such a thing and provide documentation, why not keep your mouth shut rather than prove you are just another member of "Fat Rush the Doper" flock of Party goose stepping brownshirts. And whoever told you Our Lord and Master was sitting by the phone waiting for a call from the Governor of Louisianna?
Assertion 2:"Fact NO was ok until the levees broke the day after the hurricane. Why would the feds send help there when there was not a problem at the time????"
NO! New Orleans was not ok before the levies broke, any more that a Boing 747 flying at 30,000 feet that has only two minutes of fuel available is ok. It was known well before the storm that the levies could not hold in a storm the size of Katrina and there is proof that that information was supplied to the president as the storm lay off the coast. It was too late to undo the president's holding back the funds that had been alloted to bring those levies up to greater standards, but not too late to make preperations to get aid to the people that were "guaranteed" to be trapped in a flooded hell that was going to happen. I know of no way it would be possible to give that the pilot of that plane more fuel, but I do know that FEMA was already packed and ready to go to the aid of Florida (gotta dubya bro there, see) before Katrina passed through doing little damage and was still prepared when she blew into the Gulf coast. All that was required to get them headed to New Orleans with food and water and medical help and other help was a president that would get off his rear and act. Hey! Don't pull that guy out of the water and don't toss him no life preserver, he ain't drownin yet! Wait till he goes under for the third time.
Assertion 3: "Fact....people were told to get out of NO...yes or no???????"
So what? Were they told how to do that? On a train? A bus? Magic carpet? How in the devil were those people supposed to get out? Half a million people on what roads that could handle that much traffic? When was that announcement made? After the Feds had been ignoring pleas for help for how long? Didn't the people have good reason to believe the levies were sufficient? After all, would the President misdirect the funding to upgrade the levies if there were any real danger? And hadn't they been seeing frantic daily pleas from their Mayor and Governor completely ignored by the White House. Clearly, the Mayor and Governor were over reacting! Otherwise, a concerned President wouldn't have been off touring the west on a political smear Cindy Sheehan campaign.....must not have been any real reason to fear the levies breking.
"This was the the most destructive hurricane ever that hit the US.......... FACT we do not control mother nature....."
Correct. Correct also: A huge portion of the distruction in New Orleans is the result of White House intervention or failure to act. Accusing the people that are pointing that out (and using the rights the Constitution affords them) of irresponsibility or being unpatriotic is crude, at best (at worst?????). This President and his cadre of purely irresponsible political appointees is a disgrace. This is our country, not some fifedom of the Party or the royal Bush family.
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This really opened my eyes... Very interesting reading...
Subject: REALITY AND TIME LINES Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:10:43 +0000 MY FRIENDS ? THE TRUTH IS ONCE AGAIN BEING CONVENIENTLY IGNORED BY THE MEDIA?. KATRINA IS DELIBERATELY BEING USED AS A POLITICAL TOOL BY THE LEFT ? Here are a few checkable facts and the time line, with, of course, a few reflections. ? On Sunday Morning President Bush declared a state pf emergency in? LA, AL, MS.? Having been a governor he knew that he was releasing great powers and tools to the states and the governors . All they needed to do was ask for help and it would be sent ASAP? The President must release these powers so that the controlling authority (Governors and Mayors) can manage the situation, I did not know this... ? On Sunday evening George Bush called Governor Blanco of LA and told her she should have the mayor?evacuate the city of New Orleans and told her that it was going to be over a CAT 3 and that US weather projections indicated that the levees might not hold.? She did not give that order to the mayor, or he ignored it.? They suggested that people leave, and offered shelter at the Superdome and other locations, but they did not impose evacuation. I did not know this... ? 205 Buses were provided?for that purpose?They were never used
? (these are the unused buses(all ready to go on Sunday)?that should have been used when Bush told her to evacuate the city.) Oh my... What a waste... There waiting to be used... ? According to the City of New Orleans Emergency Plan? the order of mandatory evacuation is made only by the MAYOR Did not know this... So who's at fault??? Here is a quote from the NOLA emergency? PLan: "Authority to issue evacuations of elements of the population is vested in the Mayor. By Executive Order, the chief elected official, the Mayor of the City of New Orleans, has the authority to order the evacuation of residents threatened by an approaching hurricane" The Mayor repeat... the MAYOR of New Orleans(not the President of the United States) may evacuate? (and? by the way?impose martial law to control looting.) ? Nagin?(The Mayor)did neither. Oops, missed the opportunity. ? When residents were told to go to the Superdome or the Convention Center, it was before the Hurricane and when people got there, the city had not ordered any porta potties, trash cans, water, paper products, or other sanitary items. These could have been easily brought in BEFORE the people arrived. No medical stations were set up.?Hell, we do that for Rock Concerts! ?These all come under the pervue of the MAYOR and/or the Governor.? The Federal government is forbidden by law to come into a state except under request by the Governor.? She?did? not request help until? Wednesday Afternoon. (much too late, it had been available from Sunday? AM). Alabama Requested it, Mississippi Requested it, but not Governor Blanco of Louisiana ? A word about personal responsibility.? When you are told to leave, and they tell you it is? A CAT 5 and you live in the low lands you leave.When the water begins to rise a day AFTER the hurricane, you leave.If you are chronically ill, or have small children, you leave. ? People say they are poor and can't afford a bus.? I just visited in New Orleans and for $1.50 per day I had unlimited bus service..? If you take medication, you take it with you in emergencies (EVERYWHERE YOU GO).? You take a plastic bag put in your ID cards, your medications and what little money you may have. Zip it closed and secure it to your body and YOU LEAVE. You walk, you hitchhike, you put your sick granny in a shopping cart. and you leave.? Rule one when a storm approaches, fill jugs with clean water before the electric goes out, and if you must leave take a few in the cart with granny?That is what is happening now.?Think to take charge of your situation so that you can get?to help , be of help to your family and remain as intact as possible, ? None of these things happened. What a shame... ? People from the poorest residents to the Mayor to the Governor?sat by and waited for someone else to take charge and take?care of them.?? Now they are pointing fingers and laying blame everywhere but where it belongs, on themselves.?The Black leaders and media are saying the blacks were ignored.? If they were ignored it was by the Black Mayor of NO, not by the federal government.? Some say it was a matter of economic class, perhaps it was that way because?people have become used to waiting for the government to take care of them rather than learning self reliance and becoming empowered to help themselves and others.? ? There were a great many people helping people, you just didn't see it on the evening propaganda hour.? That figures... You did see folks helping folks, you did hear a few people who were grateful for the help they were getting, and some who thought ahead and got out while they could. People were thanking God to be alive.? They were praying .? These stories are not as dramatic, nor as politically advantageous as what we are being fed this week. ? Now armed with reality and not political finger pointing, ? Lets move forward and reach out to help and pray for the people of the Gulf Coast. Amen...
Dorothy J. Niklos
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Poor kate. Over and over, documentation has been provided to show that the far right wing Party line is littered with falsified "facts" mixed with simple minded crap that ignores the fact that New Orleasns isn't (make that wasn't) some small burg you could simply walk out of, yet she gathers a whole collection of already proved lies and post them. It isn't possible to evacuate a city of that size in less than a couple of months!
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Did you see any pix of the gridlocked highways? Many with vehicles tried to leave but could not...
alas, we now have about a quarter-million displaced folk here in my state, and the federal bungling continues...one small example: a church in north of Dallas, in a wealthy suburb, has had provisions, bedding, food completely stocked for days now...they still await transfers from Houston, after repeated communiques that they are "on the way."
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kate i used to be a conservative bush made me come to the fact that i was lied to for many years and a fool and i hope that i can make amends my past voting history to the people of america
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I hope it isn't conservatism you are rejecting. It sort of sound that way in you post. We need healthy responsible conservatism just like we need honorable responsible liberal. And a lot of other sortsas long as they are honest and respect our way of life.
What this bunch of yo-yos has done isn't conservative, it's un-American, selfish, stupid, and dangerous. They claim to be conservatives just like they claim to be religious. They are neither. They are usurping those labels as a camoflage while bit by bit they undermine the Constitution and get the populace used to the idea that they can get away with violating it and the laws.
The biggest lie of all is that they care about America. Good and honorable liberals and conservatives care about America, first, last, and in between. And good and honorable liberals and conservatives know that without absolute respect for the Constitution and each and every one of the rights it gives to all people (it doesn not grant them to citizens, it says "the people") and each and every one of the responsibilities it lays on the government (the constitution grants no right to the government, only duties), there is no America.
My Country right or wrong? NO! My Country, honest and honorble. So that you can be proud of being a conservtive.
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I wish this article would have been a little more specific.
Dean: Race Played a Role in Katrina Deaths Sep 07 7:44 PM US/Eastern
By DENISE KALETTE Associated Press Writer
MIAMI
Race was a factor in the death toll from Hurricane Katrina, Howard Dean told members of the National Baptist Convention of America on Wednesday at the group's annual meeting.
Dean, chairman of the Democratic party, made the comments to the Baptists' Political and Social Justice Commission. The Baptist Convention, with an estimated 3.5 million members, is one of the largest black religious groups in the country.
"We must ... come to terms with the ugly truth that skin color, age and economics played a deadly role in who survived and who did not," Dean said.
Dean said Americans have a moral responsibility to not ignore the devastating damage caused by Hurricane Katrina when it struck the Gulf Coast.
The former presidential candidate said the government will be judged by how it treats the old, the young and the poor.
"People are poor in different parts of the country. They are not refugees. They are Americans," he said.
Dean said that instead of considering proposed estate tax breaks, the Senate should channel the money into disaster relief.
"Shall we give that to the wealthiest people in the country, or should we rebuild New Orleans?" Dean said.
Dean also urged the government to exempt victims of Hurricane Katrina from a stricter new bankruptcy law for one year.
Ken Mehlman, Dean's counterpart at the Republican National Committee, said he hoped Dean "will match his rhetoric with his support for reforms that replace bureaucracy and entitlement with hope and opportunity."
Stephen J. Thurston, president of the Baptist Convention, said there was a lack of response and sensitivity by the government following the Gulf Coast disaster.
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Ken Mehlman, Dean's counterpart at the Republican National Committee, said he hoped Dean "will match his rhetoric with his support for reforms that replace bureaucracy and entitlement with hope and opportunity."
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Isn't it still a bureaucracy when you've put political financial contributers in positions of power and responsibility?
In spite ot the notion that bureaucracy is a negative thing (we call it governmental infrastructure when we need it), it can't be dispensed with as that statemnet request. Mehlman's statement sort of displays how empty the Party think tank really is.
Is what dubya's appointees managed to do after the storm really a "replace[ment of] bureaucracy and entitlement with hope and opportunity". You mean to tell me those poor people hoped to die of thirst and relished the opportunity to loose everything to flood waters? I bet not! I really believe they thought they were entitled to life and the opportunity to live it without the fear that their government didn't give a d--n about them.
One of the unforgivable sins that resulted in the total failure of our safety net after katina was politicising that infrastructure with political hacks that had neither the ability to lead and save those lives or any real desire to do so.
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