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You're dead wrong, keithsan. I won't stoop to your level by calling you moronic, however. If you still support Bush, you have enough troubles already.
Read this:
Bush administration funding cuts forced federal engineers to delay improvements on the levees, floodgates and pumping stations that failed to protect New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters, agency documents showed on Thursday.
In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.
On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
again, why don't you read. They haven't been reinforced in 20 years. so blame the last 20 years of presidents, mayors and gov's. Do I still support Bush? Doesn't matter there is an election soon.
I didn't call you a moron, but your one track non thinking bush attacking is moronic.
Trying to score poliltical points is disgusting.
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The Republican Party line requires them to attack you if you don't goose step in their familiar style and if, in addition, you supply information that shows the Party line is what it alwasy is, a pack of lies, or don't eagerly pat them on the back for fostering their spin, they resort to name calling.
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sorry keith...it IS politics in a way, but i agree that it isn't dem/gop, it's about BOZO power hungry lazy-AZZZ mothers that only ask who's donating to MY campaign
check this out....
Hurricane Pam Exercise Concludes
Release Date: July 23, 2004 Release number: R6-04-093 Printer friendly version icon
BATON ROUGE, La. -- Hurricane Pam brought sustained winds of 120 mph, up to 20 inches of rain in parts of southeast Louisiana and storm surge that topped levees in the New Orleans area. More than one million residents evacuated and Hurricane Pam destroyed 500,000-600,000 buildings. Emergency officials from 50 parish, state, federal and volunteer organizations faced this scenario during a five-day exercise held this week at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge.
The exercise used realistic weather and damage information developed by the National Weather Service, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the LSU Hurricane Center and other state and federal agencies to help officials develop joint response plans for a catastrophic hurricane in Louisiana.
"We made great progress this week in our preparedness efforts," said Ron Castleman, FEMA Regional Director. "Disaster response teams developed action plans in critical areas such as search and rescue, medical care, sheltering, temporary housing, school restoration and debris management. These plans are essential for quick response to a hurricane but will also help in other emergencies."
"Hurricane planning in Louisiana will continue," said Colonel Michael L. Brown, Deputy Director for Emergency Preparedness, Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness. "Over the next 60 days, we will polish the action plans developed during the Hurricane Pam exercise. We have also determined where to focus our efforts in the future."
A partial summary of action plans follows:
over the NEXT 60 days? they musta been partying on the good drugs available in ANY port city
quote:Originally posted by keithsan: making it politics.
again, why don't you read. They haven't been reinforced in 20 years. so blame the last 20 years of presidents, mayors and gov's. Do I still support Bush? Doesn't matter there is an election soon.
I didn't call you a moron, but your one track non thinking bush attacking is moronic.
Trying to score poliltical points is disgusting.
------------------------------------------------- We're just ahead of the curve. Better get real used to disgusting, couse disgusting it's gonna get.
This will turn into the political football of the century, till the next nitemare anyway.
Keithsan, I first thought just like you ,till I saw how this was handled..
I have with drawn my support for the Bush administration, and it took some soul searching to do so.
You might be going thru the same process, and it ain't easy dude.G/L
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my point is people are in trouble and everyone is crying politics.
New orleans Police force did not own one boat! Governor did not call in national guard (his job) President late and slow responding.
A few years back in CA. the governor (dem) was told if there was a huge earthquak that the baseball stadium would crumble. governor immediately gave orders to fix it.
When the earthquake did happen, they were prepared as they could be.
not new orleans. they didn't even own boats. Hell I live in boston, thats like the mayor not having plows for a huge noreaster.
Bush doesn't escape blame here, FEMA and other groups need to be re worked.
It wont change from Dem to Repub, where are my tax dollars going, this 8 years as well as the last 8, before and after.
But the jerks who run both parties and the moronic followers of both groups run and scream to blame.
No one fixes, no one.
I'm done with this thread, go bash bush or the mayor or whomever, because that'll solve the issues. (sarcasm)
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I ripped on the Gov. of LA in another thread, I may have been wrong, or maybe I wasn't.
It sounds to me that there are a few different reasons for people to be disgusted with the whole situation.
Blame can be placed on the NO government for the past 30 years for not strengthening up the dykes as they've known that the existing dykes were not capable of withstanding the power of the C4 or higher storm. Going around with the attitude that, 'it won't happen to me' is just plain ignorant in my opinion.
The flooding in NO has killed and is killing more folks than the destruction of the hurricane. I don't feel that all the blame should be put on the current Gov. of LA, but all of the previous officials in NO and Governors of LA in the past 30 yrs.
Also, there is no doubt that someone(s) has/have dropped the ball in the Bush Adm. over not responding fast enough to the flooding. The arrogant Brown may just be the culprit, along with some others involved with FEMA.
Did information not get passed on to where it should have in time? I think so. Could FEMA have neglected the cries for help in LA, MS, and AL? I think so.
The facts will be interesting. I only hope that we don't have to wait for many years to uncover a possible conspiracy.
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bottom line? *we* don't vote well enough...
Like me: I assumed the "pros" in place would handle it...I'm stoopid
Been better off to storm FEMA regional HQ in Denton about 30 minutes' away and give the orders that should have been given, then face a jury later...
Basically? we trust too much. There's little accountability in the market; little accountability in too many police departments; little accountability all the way to retail stores: I'm tired of going the grocery and listening to gossip while I'm checking out...tired of going to Home Depot and can't get service...lol lol, jiminy christmas
Think I'll go siphon some gasoline...steal a trailer and supplies, and head east...
we got the government we asked for...
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hey MM, somebody told me i was being cynical when i posted this: Kellog Brown (aren't they in Bush's bible study group?) gets contracts, but maybe oil won't hit 100$????(not gonna bet aginst that tho)
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Member Rated: 4 Icon 1 posted August 28, 2005 14:04 P i guess god is ready to start the cleansing process... Pat Robertson musta made him mad last week... Pat prayed away hurricane Isabel back in the 90's, i guess he's slippin' from grace
it sounds like New Orleans could be gone within 24 hours the way the newsguys are putting it... this'll give the religious nuts more fuel on both sides... al-queda wil be smiling and saying praise Allah for washing out the infidels, and Bush's bible meetings will be saying praise Jesus we are getting 100$ per barrel
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Some people simply refuse to pay attention. Except for a token number, the Louisianna National Guard is in Iraq. The Governor of Louisianna explaind that to everyone that would listen in a press conference while the storm was still well out in the Gulf. She pleaded to have the President send help.
In order for a state's national guard to serve as a part of the standing military, the President must first declare an emergency (and presumably, one greater than any that might occur in their home state while they are gone), after which, they are a part of the federal military and no longer under the control of the States Governor. The Louisnna Governor had no National Guard to call into service, because that National Guard had been federalized!
Exactly where did you get the valuable information that the City of New orleans had no boats? (I bet it was some of that very reliable bull sh-- that is fed out to the Party kool aid drinkers via the Party spin network. Party ropaganda, in other words.) (I would be willing to bet that the City of New Orleans did own some boats before the storm.) Now lets go to after the storm.....
Lets suppose they had an adequate collection of boats to satisfy what your imagination believes is "enough" (no need to argue how many that might be; we will stipulate your number of boats). How many do you suppose would be anywhere that they might be used after the storm? Have you seen the pictures from the Florida panhandle to well west of New Orleans of the boat and ships? Don't look near the water! They are seldom in one piece and when they are they are nowhere close to any water. And some of those things sitting there on dry land are huge ocean going transpots, not just boats! Of those they might find after the storm, how many might not be wrecked beyond use and close enough for a team of a dozen or so men to get into the water (think, now....they didn't have the use roads to transport those boats to the water or to transport machinery to the boats to handle them.) Why do I get the feeling Boston isn't a place to gain any experience or knowledge about huge powerful storms or about boats, big or small? (dubya claims to be from Houston, which is a lie. He'a a carpet bagging New Englander that grew uo in New England, attended School in New England, and still maintains, when the news cameras are off, his home there. Houstonians do know about huge powerful storm and have better sense than to think that a work boat that could be used in a flooder New Orleans would stand much chance in a hurricane.)
The Democrats (with the cooperation of some Republicans) you so eagerly want lay to blame for not fixing the levies in New Orleans did indeed pass through Congress the funding to do do and the Democratic President you say didn't do anything about the levies signed the bill during the 90s (95 I think). By Presidential order, soon after January20, 2000, a Presidential order pulled back that funding. Later, that President further reduced the funding for flood control in New Orleans.
For your information, neither me nor any other person tghat wants to tell the truth doesn't have to bash Bush, He does it himself very well for anyone willing to get off the Party reading list and see real facts rather than "facts according to Fat Rush the doper", who belongs in prison for violating the drug trafficing laws. Wake up and smell the truth!
Oh, that's right, you are leaving this thread because too many people aren't buying your Party line nonsense.
As for fixing things, the only way is to remover the shrubery.
Who made this politics? BUSH did, by cutting the needed flood control projects for political gain and by refufusing to answer the calls of the Louisianna officials that begged for federal assistance before the storm and for days after. WEvery thing Bush does is for political reasons. Of all the single minded Presidents we have ever had, Bush is the first to make Party come before country! Hitler did that too.
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On the nose Bdgee. And federal troops aren't supposed to help in a lawful capacity because of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878(?) What I am curious to know is what is the status of the Guard Soldiers reporting in from out of state. Are they considered federalized or are they under the control of the state they are helping? If they are federalized, then Posse Comitatus says they can't be pressed into service on the feds dime. So who pays? Who's in command? May have to talk to some folks above my pay grade to figure the in's and out's of this one.
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I've been wondering that too, Hilander. Is this just another instance of the Administration ignoring the Constitution?....claiming it isn't what it is? I worry most about what will become of our country with the levies of its Constitution breached!
I did hear an FBI official on the TV today claiming they were in control of the City of New Orleans......that it was all being administered out of an office that the FBI had and in accordance with an FBI plan. He kept "hinting" to the reporter interviewing him that they had been in the City setting up for that purpose since well before the storm hit, but refusd to answer where and how and so on because he said it was all "secret". He "implied", when asked, that those troups were under FBI control too and that's scary. God I hope not. We sure as hell don't need a Secret Police or a Gestapo, but I really think that is the aim of the Republican Party. They have paralled the history of the Nazi party, from the destruction of the labor unions under Reagan to the creating falsified info to justify invading another country under BushII, with his insistance that the President has the power to secretely arrest and detain people and refuse them access to the courts, without the Constitutional requirements of sworn testimony before judge.
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quote:Originally posted by Bob Frey: "bottom line? *we* don't vote well enough"
We need something better to vote for in order to vote better.
.....for those of you not to old for this, you have to see the south park episode where the kids have to vote between a douche bag and a big crap sandwich as team maskots or something.
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"Nothing like turning a disaster into politics"
I'll bet they're is a lot of decent hard working church going rebublicans that are wondering what has happened to our party...
Hijacked, vandilized, perverted all these words now come into my mind...
I think glass said stolen and more.
If Katrina could change my feelings and convictions about the Administration, why could the same not happen to millions of others.
RACE is the dirty little secret many republicans have gravitated to..
We just became so fearful that the democrates were going to displace Whites in all aspects of government with what many thought were going to be unqualified Blacks who would mindlessly follow party orders.
The question of inter-racial marriage and relationshps disgust many white males. This is a fact and no amount of hiding the truth is acceptical anymore.
Black women hate white woman because they think white blond women are stealing they're men.
White men disrespect blonde white women because they see non stop coupling of black men with blonde white women in the media.
Wake up America, Racism by blacks and whites is alive and flurishing, it's just that NOBODY seems to have the BALLS to address it.
The images of some of the poor blacks we are seeing will only re-inforce bigetry.
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I saw on CBS a news team wading about New Orleans came across a team of air boats, each manned by 3 to 4 heavily armed uniformed men. They were Texas game wardens. Now, in Texas a Texas game warden has police authority, but does he in Louisianna? Under whose authority are they acting? I suppose the Louisianna law would allow them to be deputized, but I don't know that. Have they been? Had they been Texas Rangers, there wouldn't be a problem, because the treaty makes a Texas Ranger outside Texas jusirdiction have the power of a Federal marshal. But I worry about others not from Louisianna doing the "work" of New Orleans Police there now. Are they legal and who pays them? To whom do they answer?
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Alright, I'v had enough of this, I have kept my mouth shut all week, even though I have really wanted to slap all of you in the face........Fact....people were told to get out of NO...yes or no??????? please answer...Fact...the Gov of NO needs to call the president to ask for help not announce it on cnbc foxnews or any other channel did she????????? yes or no????? Fact NO was ok until the levees broke the day after the hurricane. Why would the feds send help there when there was not a problem at the time???? I watched several news stations on Tuesday all claiming that NO had escaped yet another hurricane however the leeve broke then there was a prob....so therefore we are talking tues night.....meanwhile all of u here were saying as of thur that it had been 4 days and no one had help.....according to my timetable tues-thur is 2 days....This was the the most destructive hurricane ever that hit the US..........can u all fathom this or just try to blame the US Govt......... FACT we do not control mother nature.........Please Stop and just try to help.......instead of bitc.hing about what the gov has done, get out your checkbook and start helping.
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