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Only him and God know what REALLY happened....
Either way - he's Sooooo WEIRD. What a WASTE of such incredible talent.
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Wow,Guess so. It was the same boy in that documentry that this case was about.And Jackson and that boy both admitted they were sleeping together in bed.What changed during the trial to come up with the idea that that never happen!?!?
Guess he could have saved millions of hush money if he would of went to trail with the last boy that was accusing him.
Whatever...
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If the glove, I mean condom, doesn't fit... you must acquit! LOL! What a joke!
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There is a VERY good reason why MJ is not in jail right now. If anyone commenting paid *ANY* attention to the trial, you would have known the prosecution had a *REALLY* terrible case.
1)There were a LOT of credibility issues with the witnesses (The mother having done scams before, disgruntled ex-jackson employees, etc).
2)There was a lack of evidence. The only evidence the prosecution had was witnesses, that ties into what I said above.
Now saying all of this, I am NOT saying MJ didnt do anything. The prosecution just didnt prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
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THOSE WHO SAY HE IS GUILTY STOP HATING ON THE MAN, GEEZ. YOU ARE ALL HATERS THAT BELIEVES HE GOT OFF. HE WAS AQUITED SO GET OVER IT. JUST BECASUSE THE MAN HAS MONEY IS SUCH A COP OUT THING TO SAY AND YOU KNOW IT. GIVE THE MAN THAT AND LET HIM MOVE ON WITH HIS LIFE. YOU WOULD WANT THE SAME RESPECT.
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It doesn't matter if he is or isn't guilty. Money is what makes the difference. It's no cop out. You think if a poor man went into that trial with the same charges and same defendants, they would have been found not guilty? You think OJ or Robert Blake weren't who they were and the money they had didn't make a difference? If each case had a unknown middle class man they would have been crusified.
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VERY SAD TO THINK THAT YOU BELIEVE YOUR OWN, OUR OWN JUSTICE SYSTEM WILL CRUCIFY US AS YOU CALL IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. I HAD AN EXPERIENCE WITH THE COURT SYSTEM AND WON WITHOUT ANY LARGE SUBSTANTIAL AMMOUNT OF MONEY INVOLVED. ME VS. A HOSPITAL. MY POINT IS THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE BUT ALL HEAR SAY. SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE RUMORS THATS THEIR BUSINESS. THATS ALL IT WAS RUMORS, HEAR SAY, NO HARD EVIDENCE. HE MAY BE GUILTY OF ONE THING THAT IS HIS STUPIDITY OF SLEEPING WITH KIDS BUT DONT FORGET ITS NO CRIME. PEOPLE ARE SO QUICK TO BLAME THE MEGA-STAR AND WANT A STAR TO FALL AND CRUMBLE, BUT NO ONE YET HAS ADMITTED TO THE PARENTS CARELESSNESS. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF A CRIME BEFORE IN THE PAST WHY LET YOUR CHILD BE NEAR HIM. THAT LOOKS SUSPICIOUS TO ME IF IT DOESN'T TO YOU THEN YOU WOULD PROBABLY DO THE SAME THING WITH YOUR CHILD. AND YOU SAY WHAT DOES THE MOTHER GET OUT OF IT ; MONEY, FAME, THEN SOON YOU KNOW IT HERE COMES THE BOOK DEAL, CIVIL SUIT. CANT USE OJ SIMPSON, BLAKE, ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TYPES OF CASES.
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GUILTY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE VERDICT......... If it had been any other person. He used the classic MO of any pedophile........creating an environment were children feel comfortable and then abusing them sexually.....
For example if anyone had a neighbor who was inviting little boys over on a regular basis to play with him and then admittedly spent the nights sleeping with them we would all through the book at the pervert...What happened is a mockery of the justice system, and I have no doubt that the prosecution through the case. I mean come on for gods sakes you have regular everyday people convicted of having child pornography on their computer, and you cannot tell me that MJ did not get some sexual pleasure from these boys he sleeps with.......he had to at least spoon them or touch them somehow and he has seen them naked and they have seen him. It is really absurd and disgusting and just really sad that are justice system is soooooooooooo screwed up. It is irrelevant if the boys mother tried to get money from MJ .......if she did essentially negotiate with MJ ..the boy for money she should be locked up too.
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ALL I GOT TO SAY IS HATERZ ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THE JURY AQUITED HIM. THESE WERE AVG JOES RANGING FROM MEN-WOMAN, DIFFERENT AGES AND RACES. THE MEDIA HAS SCRAMBLED SO MANY PEOPLES MINDS THEY THEN BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY SAY. NEITHER OF US KNOW MJ ONLY THROUGH T.V. YOU CANT BELIEVE WHAT SOME NEWS REPORTER SAYS. I LOOK PAST THAT AND SEE SO MANY THINGS HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED, WHAT HE SAYS THROUGH HIS MUSIC, AND DONE FOR 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES BY DONATING HIS MONEY TO CHARITY. THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT SOMEONES CHARACTER.
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quote:Originally posted by RahzM1ght: ALL I GOT TO SAY IS HATERZ ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THE JURY AQUITED HIM. THESE WERE AVG JOES RANGING FROM MEN-WOMAN, DIFFERENT AGES AND RACES. THE MEDIA HAS SCRAMBLED SO MANY PEOPLES MINDS THEY THEN BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY SAY. NEITHER OF US KNOW MJ ONLY THROUGH T.V. YOU CANT BELIEVE WHAT SOME NEWS REPORTER SAYS. I LOOK PAST THAT AND SEE SO MANY THINGS HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED, WHAT HE SAYS THROUGH HIS MUSIC, AND DONE FOR 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES BY DONATING HIS MONEY TO CHARITY. THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT SOMEONES CHARACTER.
Exactly .......you said you base it on what he has accomplished just because he is talented does not give him free reign to abuse children. The laws protect children and have failed miserably in this case and it is sheer ignorance to say otherwise. Based on his talent? How silly is that people who are priests molest children, teachers, silly everyone has some level of talent. You are not even thinking about the different levels of abuse of a minor simply allowing them to see you naked, or sleeping with them is disgusting...no man (obviously MJ is not one) would be remotely interested in spending loads of time and money on children not their own and then sleeping with them it is soooooooooooooo obvious
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Not sure why you consider people haterz just because someone thinks money and fame does make a difference. But hey if you want your children to sleep over at MJ's, well thats scarey. I wouldn't let mine.
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Rahz he is not a man, he is a freak, he may or may not be guilty but he is a sorry excuse for a human being.
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I personally, believe he was innocent of what he was being accused of! He openly admitted to sleeping in the same room with kids, but how many of you have been scout leaders, and slept in a big tent with kids? I can remember being a girl scout, and sleeping with adults in a big tent, or on a church retreat, and sleeping in a big room with adults, or in a camper, or small tent in sleeping bags! He didn't see anything wrong with it, and I'm not saying I agree with him doing it, simply because of how it looks to others, him being alone with them, but I don't believe someone that cares so much for other people, and is so sensitive, would be capable of hurting a child! If he were a molester, there would be many, many, MANY kids come forward, and the only ones that did, were the ones that were caught lying before! The profile of molesters, is that they don't want people to know they are with children, and they do everything in secret! They don't have feelings, or remorse! They don't get sick, when accused of something, because they don't believe they are doing anything wrong! I'm not saying Michael Jackson isn't eccentric, or doesn't do some strange things, or look odd, but in my eyes, God loves him the same as he loves me, so I have to accept that, first of all, and go on from there! If he wants to continue helping kids, he needs to change some things! No more sleep overs in his room, and security cameras everywhere, to make sure this never happens again. Just because we look or act different, doesn't make us criminals!
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MJ is a pervert and he alone slept with the boys. In christian camps, many adults share a room with kids but never 1 men alone in bed with boys. If that is condoned, then it is wrong. Like the priests molestiong the boys. WRONG....
He is a pervert but I do agree not enuff evidence or re-phrased --proven without reasonable doubt. The mom's credibility was reasonable doubt.
There are criminals that have no remorse but others are simply sick. His mind is sick way above the norm and unfortunately other kids got harmed.
They say , a predator does not stop sexually abusing so in time, we will see.
It is sickening for MJ to say..i no longer will sleep with kids. He is guilty and deserves the consequences but the prosecutuion did not have a strong case. I do wonder why others didnt come out. Money speaks but in time..we may hear more.
A healthy mind does not commit crime. All of those that harm others are dysfunctional. It all is a matter of degree.
Thats why I dont understand the insanity defense.. those that kill are insane. There is distinction but still insane.
Anyways, life is an oxymoron and is fairness an illusion?
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preach on Kate. These guys dont have a clue. They just want a celeb to fall and crumble. They know it just don't admit it.
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quote:Originally posted by Kate: I personally, believe he was innocent of what he was being accused of! He openly admitted to sleeping in the same room with kids, but how many of you have been scout leaders, and slept in a big tent with kids? I can remember being a girl scout, and sleeping with adults in a big tent, or on a church retreat, and sleeping in a big room with adults, or in a camper, or small tent in sleeping bags! He didn't see anything wrong with it, and I'm not saying I agree with him doing it, simply because of how it looks to others, him being alone with them, but I don't believe someone that cares so much for other people, and is so sensitive, would be capable of hurting a child! If he were a molester, there would be many, many, MANY kids come forward, and the only ones that did, were the ones that were caught lying before! The profile of molesters, is that they don't want people to know they are with children, and they do everything in secret! They don't have feelings, or remorse! They don't get sick, when accused of something, because they don't believe they are doing anything wrong! I'm not saying Michael Jackson isn't eccentric, or doesn't do some strange things, or look odd, but in my eyes, God loves him the same as he loves me, so I have to accept that, first of all, and go on from there! If he wants to continue helping kids, he needs to change some things! No more sleep overs in his room, and security cameras everywhere, to make sure this never happens again. Just because we look or act different, doesn't make us criminals!
It is really sad that you can twist around what he really did and make it seem innocent. He is not a camp counselor. Camp counselors and people who do have access to children are usually checked out, and they do not crawl in the bed with the children. Really pathetic and absurd once again....just silly because it makes no sense at all. I hope if you do have children that you tell them it is not okay to sleep in beds, sleeping bags etc. with grown men, even if you do believe it is okay yourself. Im sure MJ would like some camping time with children of people like you. The issue never was sleeping in the same room with them ...it was the same bed......I guess everyone hears what they want to hear. And anyone with common sense knows that grown men do not sleep in the same bed with children period the end of story. Each year this country gets a little sicker our morals and standards just sink lower and lower, the morality scale is probably been at negative by now. A complete mockery, of our justice system, and the what used to be the moral fabric of this country.
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I don't understand how some many people DON'T GET IT after a verdict is released.
Not guilty does not mean innocent; it means that the prosecution did not prove the case beyond reasonable doubt.
I am a fan and hope that he's innocent, but either way the prosecution failed. Bottom line.
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My viewpoint is the jurors, in this case, did not vote on Jackson's guilt or innocent, but rather voted to punish the accuser's mother for her obvious stupidity and insulting demeanor.
One juror has already stated she is angry with the mother for her, "snapping her fingers at us." She based her decision of innocence on her being insulted by inappropriate snapping of fingers.
Clearly, that juror's decision was just, fair and based solely upon presented evidence.
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That is true Purl, the jury was way to focused on the mother. She was merely a horrible witness and her behavior and whether not the jury liked her was completely irrelevant. In my opinion if she let it happen and was right there knowing that her son was sleeping in his bed she is just is guilty. Even bringing up personal opinions about her, or not agreeing with the way she acted in court is again silly and irrelevant, the jury was just looking for any reason to vote in MJ's favor.
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quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: O. J. Simpson is innocent, as well, yes?
My viewpoint is the jurors, in this case, did not vote on Jackson's guilt or innocent, but rather voted to punish the accuser's mother for her obvious stupidity and insulting demeanor.
One juror has already stated she is angry with the mother for her, "snapping her fingers at us." She based her decision of innocence on her being insulted by inappropriate snapping of fingers.
Clearly, that juror's decision was just, fair and based solely upon presented evidence.
Did I not just point out the not guilty does not mean innocent? I haven't met anyone yet who thinks OJ is innocent. I've met tons of ppl who think the prosecution messed up and the investigating officers at the scene did a half-azzed job.
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How can you say for sure, that he did anything when he was sleeping with them? Were you there, watching? I wasn't, and he admitted they slept in the same room, but that he didn't do anything to them! If he is child-like in his thinking, he needs mental help; it doesn't mean he is an abuser! They haven't found any evidence to support that fact! He is innocent, until PROVEN guilty, just as I would want to be, if I were in his shoes!
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Too often application of logical constructions seem to spill over into supposed analogous examples where they are inappropriate at best and quite absurd.
The fact that a declaration of a number being non-negative does not require it to be positive does not allow us to force a structure equivalent a that of number system (or even a similar structure) on some other sort of system. Thus, no matter how reasonable it may sound to say that "not guilty" does not imply "innocent", it isn't the case. The nature of actions are that they either occure or they do not. There is no continuum of activities that corresponds to the number system and there is nothing there to act in place of the "zero" of the numbers. Thus, Logic requires the rejection of the notion that not guilty isn't innocent.
Perhaps we too often confuse ourselves by playing with the wrong usage of words such as "innocent". Certainly in the sense of his maturity, responsibility, and knowledge, I doubt that Michael Jackson is can be considered innocent, in spite of his being childish. A babe in his mothers arms is innocent....that sort of innocent doesn't last long. But the kind of innocent that courts deal with is different. It doesn't exists in a sysem having an analog for zero.
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bdgee, studied logic, too. Useful: code, rhetoric, documentation, etc. However, not applicable to human behavior: humans are illogical. Like using a framing square to measure amperage, or a voltmeter instead of calipers. (eg, does the preceding sentence exhibit parallel construction? No. Yet, meaning is transmitted. Illogical, yet true...)
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