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An Associated Press article (Ref. 1) reports "An Army reservist was arrested on charges of holding seven Mexicans at gunpoint at a rest stop in southern Arizona, where civilian efforts to watch for illegal immigrants have raised fears of vigilante violence. Sgt. Patrick Haab, 24, was apparently acting alone and not involved with the Minuteman Project, which has organized volunteers for a monthlong effort to watch for immigrants and drug smugglers along the border. Officials said Haab used his vehicle to stop the seven men from driving away from an interstate rest stop Sunday... Sheriff Joe Arpaio said. 'He did not have the right to do what he did. How did he know they were illegal aliens?' "
Sergeant Patrick Haab had been serving in Iraq. He came home, saw illegal aliens sneaking into his home state and did something about it. Naturally he was punished. The local sheriff claims that the soldier didn't have "probable cause" to detain those Mexicans. Well, they all turned out to be undocumented aliens. Maybe the sheriff should take lessons from that soldier in spotting illegals.
Government officials keep telling us to do nothing and let "the authorities" handle the border. The border patrol has been deliberately underfunded so that it can't secure the border, and Congress refuses to build a wall or fence along the entire border to make crossing more difficult. The criticism of the Minuteman volunteers is completely shameless, considering that these elected officials refuse to uphold immigration law, which is one of the duties they assumed when they took an oath of office.
The two-pary politicial hacks have allowed millions of Mexicans to sneak across thanks to their deliberate neglect. The Democrats see the Mexicans as future voters and the Republicans are whores for big business, which wants an endless supply of low wage labor. Every citizen however has the right to make a citizen's arrest. If Sergeant Haab is put on trial for detaining illegals, he should ask for a jury trial since ordinary Americans are unlikely to him to jail.
If Patrick Haab didn't detain the illegals, the border patrol would have done nothing and never caught them. Our federal government only makes a token effort at watching the border. After all, Dubya is an open borders kind of guy. He wouldn't want to offend his buddy Vincente Fox.
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haha... I'm seriously NOT flouncing the virtues of Canada when I say this... but in Canada we have this program where we fly mexicans up, have them work on our farms for cheap, and send'em right back down. Litterally EVERYBODY wins, we get cheap labour, they get TONS of money in the economics their used to.
Is there a program like this in the US? Do you think it would help the problem?
I'm worried one day your gonna have ten million mexicans simultaneously demanding citizenship!
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I can see why some southerners are OK with it... I mean... cheap, cheap, cheap labour who are just barely considered people under the law. None of the rights of other people, a lot of dependence on whatever farm they are working for.
Southerners have never been into THAT kind of labour before have they? Posts: 270 | Registered: Aug 2004
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Cheap, cheap, cheap labor who are just barely considered people under the law. None of the rights of other people! kinda reminds me of civil war times. Only now, the government condones it! Geez, were going backwards!
Posts: 200 | From: San Bruno, Ca. USA | Registered: Jun 2003
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quote:Originally posted by kevin954: I can see why some southerners are OK with it... I mean... cheap, cheap, cheap labour who are just barely considered people under the law. None of the rights of other people, a lot of dependence on whatever farm they are working for.
Southerners have never been into THAT kind of labour before have they?
by the way Kevin, the majority of cotton produced in the south prior to the civil war was in fact produced on small farms by non-slave-owning white farmers...slave ownership was a wealthy-mans enterprise...
the history of slave prices in South Carolina can be divided into two periods. During the first period--running from the 1720s through the 1740s--prices fell gradually. During the second period--starting in the 1750s and continuing through the first decade of the nineteenth century--prices were generally rising. From 1740-49 to 1800-09 prices more than tripled, rising from $125 to $381.
i think in some ways the defense of slavery by the average southerner who was not wealthy was similar to today's support of the rich politicians by people they are obviously taking advantage of...
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SLAVE PRICES Robert Williams Fogel and Stanley L. Engerman completed an economic study of American slavery in TIME ON THE CROSS: THE ECOMONICS OF AMERICAN NEGRO SLAVERY (1974). The following data (from pages 73-74) compares average slave prices and wages in the Deep South for the years 1830-1860:
Period Hire Price Average annual rate of return 1830-1835 127 $948 12% 1836-1840 1840-1845 143 $722 18.5% 1846-1850 168 $926 17% 1851-1855 167 $1240 12% 1856-1860 196.5 $1658 10.3%
SLAVERY IN FLORIDA IN 1860 This is a small extract from large tables for the slaves states in 1850 and 1860,(2) showing demographic figures and the number of pastors and churches. I include only those figures for Florida.
Item 1850 1860 Change White population 47,203 77,747 30,544 Slave population 89,310 61,745 -27,565 Free negroes 932 932 0 Clergymen 83 159 76 Churches 177 319 142 Church capacity 44,960 68,990 24,030 Total population 137,445 139,492 247
kinda wonder where the 27K slaves went?
-------------------- Don't envy the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise. Posts: 36378 | From: USA | Registered: Sep 2003
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I cannot discover in the constitution where laws against false arrest and imprisonment or the responsibility of the government to assure due procerss make any exception for Mexicans or any other people. The various constitutional grants of rights provided in the bill of rights are not a list of privileges of citizens.....they are a list of restrictions on the government.
Personally, like most honest Texans, I haven't forgotten Goliad or that I had family members granted the honor of drawing a white or dark bean by the Mexicans, but I do have to point out that to deny them equal protection of the law is un-American. To say otherwise is returing to the days of separate drinking fountains....not too far down that road is a terrible result.
Now, if that soldier was actually attempting to perform a citizen's arrest with sufficient and actual cause to do so, that is a different matter. But I point out that most "Mexican looking" people in the Country are citizens and have the right to not be harrassed by soldiers or anyone else.
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