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WHY THIS WAR CAN'T BE WON IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE
By: Jim Moore
Before you castigate me for being negative, or un-patriotic, or anti-American, or just plain nuts, please take note. I did NOT say that all the wars we get into can't be won. I said, THIS war can't be won.
Why do I say that? Because after carefully reading what Sam Sloan, a freelance journalist, and Marta Salij, a columnist for the Detroit Free Press, had to say on the subject, I came to the conclusion that they might just be right.
Now, why should I (and also you) take as gospel what these two political writers have to say? Not for their credentials; neither one has an outstanding track record. Not for their connections; neither reporter has an insider take on information. And not for their credibility; few people have even heard of them.
Why then?
LOGIC. Logical conclusions based on their knowledge and understanding of this particular war: Sloan's logic applied to Biblical history, and Salij's logic applied to Arab power in the Middle East.
First, Marta Salij.
Salij's article, "Losing the War on Terrorism---we don't understand what we're up against." is an incisive and sobering explanation of a war we cannot win because we misunderstand why al-Qaida and other Muslims are fighting us. U.S. leaders erroneously believe---and keep trying to convince us---that Muslims hate us, and attack us for what we are and how we think, rather than for what we do.
It is not U.S. values, but U.S. policies that are under attack.
In a nutshell, there are six inflammatory U.S. policies that Muslims attack us for: (1) our troops on Arabian soil, (2) our occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, (3) our support of Russia, China and India in suppressing Muslim militants, (4) our support of tyrannical and corrupt Muslim governments, (5) our pressure on oil producers to keep prices low, (6) our support of Israeli policies that keep Palestinians as slaves or serfs.
If Muslims do indeed hate America, these are the reasons why, and only a change in U.S. policy will remedy the situation. But don't hold your breath, because a change in U.S. policy is not likely to happen. Therefore, this war is destined to go on and on.
Now, Sam Sloan.
In Sloan's article, "Why does the USA support Israel?" he analyzes the "religious" dimension to this tragic situation that is keeping us at war in the Middle East.
All the reasons the administration gives us for supporting Israel, says Sloan, are false, and will always be false. In addition, since many Jews are opposed to Israel and to its policies, there must be some other, less obvious, reason why America supports Israel.
America supports Israel because Fundamentalist Christians support Israel.
Fundamentalist Christians constitute the largest voting block in the USA, and as such, no political candidate can get elected if they are opposed to him. Thus, it stands to reason that no candidate dares to speak against what the Fundamentalist Christians believe if he wants to survive.
And just what do the Fundamentalist Christians believe, and what does that have to do with Israel and the Jews?
Fundamentalist Christians believe in the exact wording of the Bible. They read the Book avidly and believe every word is true. Literally. No exceptions. Unlike the Jews who have diverse opinions about Israel, Fundamentalist Christians are united in support of Israel.
The big question is why?
The Bible itself gives us the answer. In the Book of Revelations (chapters 16 to 21) it says that in order for the Second Coming of Christ to occur, several things must happen. The Jews must return to Jerusalem (which has already begun); then comes the Battle of Armageddon, then destruction of Jerusalem, followed by the "arrival" of a New Jerusalem. At which time all the Jews who did not die in Armageddon will convert to Christianity.
This ending may rankle the Jews but you can imagine how elated it makes the Fundamentalist Christians---and THAT is the reason they give their support to Israel---not necessarily just for today, but for "eternity."
Even with this immensely critical and highly involved scenario it should not be difficult to see why America cannot win. This war in Iraq---which will stir up the entire Middle East---appears to be an initial (and necessary) step in the biblical sequence that will result in the reappearance of Christ, for which the Fundamentalist Christians are waiting and praying for.
These articles by Sam Sloan and Marta Salij address this difficult "war" problem rationally, knowledgeably, and most important, logically.
Prophesy, pre-destination, divine mandate, call it what you will, I offer you their conclusions, not because they have all the answers, but because they may have the most important one: Why we cannot win, or even stop this war.
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haha... OK... for those of you who consider me to be blatantly anti-american... I disagree with this idea. I believe that the right wing in America are in full spring hubris. Witness the terri schiavo case, witness tom delay threaten to 'make judges pay'. The people in America WILL get back to doing what they do best, rising up and destroying their oppresors to restore freedom and the 'American Dream'. Witness the revolution, labour movement's in the 1800s and the civil right's movement in the 1960s. Once good, honest Americans rise up and take control of your country again, which will happen, I predict America will join with the world and defeat terrorism together. It wont be with bombs and missles, but true WIDESPREAD (i.e. not a minority of rich empire-yankees) economic developement in developing countries AND in America (the middle class will be restored).
I imagine this will take 10-20 years... but it will happen...
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haha, don't worry... 2004 the tide was only starting to rise way off in the distance, its gonna take awhile yet before it reaches land as a tsunami...
I have to admit, the christian right have done a fantastic job swaying and influencing american politics and basically putting the republican party on a short, short leash. But their time will come, it wont be gay hippe commy radicals that challenge their power, it'll be everyone thats losing their job to somebody in China for 5 cents an hour and taking 3 wal-mart or mcjobs as a result.
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"I don't see a labour or flower movement out my window....."
thats because they are working 2 mcjobs just to get by, thinking that things will get better and their retraining will lead to the 50s style American middle class lifestyle. When it doesnt work out, when the desparity takes root and when they begin to organize, THATS when the **** hits the fan.
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the Tom DeLay thing is beginning to remind me a little of how Nixon crashed...they went after Agnew first... the thing here is that the GOP is in control of both house and senate... so, it's going to take some pretty radical electioneering to change things as quickly as they changed on Nixon's watch.... there are quite a few weak spots, but nobody can get at them 'till the dems have more seats in congress and senate... should be interesting anyway....
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quote:Originally posted by keithsan: I don't see a labour or flower movement out my window.....
in those days you did, I do see 3 tree huggers tellin me to beep to stop the war every tuesday.
I'm not sure what exactly they are talking about these days.
Glassy and Kevvy hmmmm.......2 like minds, i didn't think so but....
hmmmmm... got nothin' to do with tree hugging.... has to do with record trade deficits... unbalanced budgets that can't be restored with a "trickle down" economy cuz it don't trickle down anymore it trickles out... and if the interest rates go up much more? we won't be able to pay it back....
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"unbalanced budgets that can't be restored with a "trickle down" economy cuz it don't trickle down anymore it trickles out... and if the interest rates go up much more? we won't be able to pay it back...."
God thats so good to here!!! Canada IS America's economic bitch in many ways (very dependent on you buying our ****), if you starve we starve shortly afer. And your plate is lookin pretty damn empty.
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By God thats so good to here, I mean, I'm glad at least one American is realizing what the rest of the world is worried about.
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and obvioulsy the FOMC stated no doubling up of rate increases cuz recent inflation due to oil and rate increase won't help...
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ahhh yes, keithsan... the world economy is doing poorly indeed
thats because reagen and thatcher took capital and corporate greed global to defeat communism, without a government or civil society to manage it
thats how you get jobs going off to china and a ****ty world economy
their wont be some commy world government revolution, but their will be significant reforms to prevent a global great depression
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or maybe significant reforms to FIX a global great depression after Americans cant afford to buy products anymore...
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and obvioulsy the FOMC stated no doubling up of rate increases cuz recent inflation due to oil and rate increase won't help...
A)we are on LOW interest rates NOW, and they HAVE to staylow or we go BROKE faster...
B) NO to very high tax rates...but i don't see how we can pay with rates this low... IF we can switch to MORE alternative fuels like blueranger and a few others keep mentioning? we will create a lot of jobs and help the trade deficit...but we aren't moving very fast in that direction...(or should i say fast enough for my taste).... we are pretty good at agribiz.....
we need China to "unpeg" the Yuan like "yesterday", but they aren't in any hurry, and that IMO is the real reason we let the dollar fall and are paying so much for oil, cuz the dollar is worth less... gasoline? we need another refinery...and don't give me the crap about the tree huggers blocking it...there aren't enough oil comapnies--that's the real problem... more oil companies would be good for investors too..... we also need to start throwing the crooked CFO's and CEO's in REAL Pen's... corporate America assumes only 16% of the tax burden NOW....that's down from a high of 60%(and i don't see the money going to the investors either...
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quote:Originally posted by kevin954: ahhh yes, keithsan... the world economy is doing poorly indeed
thats because reagen and thatcher took capital and corporate greed global to defeat communism, without a government or civil society to manage it
thats how you get jobs going off to china and a ****ty world economy
their wont be some commy world government revolution, but their will be significant reforms to prevent a global great depression
your blaming the world economy now on reagan and thatcher.....can't we blame hitler...
LOL- America forced those countries into poor decisions? internally? tax codes, socialistic policies... I think not. They can change whenever they want. They want cheap labor in china too....its just the chinese wont give it up for long...
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quote:Originally posted by kevin954: or maybe significant reforms to FIX a global great depression after Americans cant afford to buy products anymore...
I'm not complaining about our economy, its ebb and flow, has been better has been worse, still better than most countries.
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Glass, rates are on the way up. Dollar is beginning to break out of the down trend, its too late to post a chart.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
gas and tree huggers, i won't, don't care. hope they never build a refinery and forces other options, still got the tuesday morning need a job tree huggers protesting Iragi's being blown up by iraqi's, i understood when we were shelling them. but now, they protest to protest, everyone plays to the camera its such shi t.
Did you see oil news tonight...break the shale...LOL
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