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Dustoff 1
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What is the consequence of continually twisting the truth to make a position plausible.
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good question, sometimes i think the truth is so far gone that it doesn't really exist anymore...

Bush continues to say we are leaving Iraq "as soon as they have the ability to defend themelves" he said it on TV today

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Example, pumpers ,bashers, lawyers, politician's students, children, police, stock brokers even some clergy, parent's etc. The consequence of this continual lying [[ moral decay ]]is evident in most things we see today.... Yes glassman, I will agree with parts of what you say, the truth is so far away. As far as the President goes, I just will keep backing him. I just got a feeling this man knows what he is doing...And that ain't SPIN.
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i don't really think he's the one spinning, i disagree with him, but i think it's the "pundits" that spin it....

i THINK he believes that he is doing the right thing...

some of his "advisors" tho?????

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...poor dustoff didn't know he entered the politics only zone....
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One time I saw a picture of MacNamara that was taken during the Nam era. Man that guy was a mess....You wanna talk advisors, holy chit,now that was one bad pick!!
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keithsan..I might be a little ruff around the edges, but don't worry yourself, I can hold my own
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dustoff , your allstocks "birtdate" is recent so i assume you missed the election debates we had...

have you seen the New American Century website?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html


this letter from '98 lays out the Iraq plan....

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


look at the signatures... GW isn't on it

BTW i am a lifelong republican... i just have these "authority issues" [Big Grin]

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wasn't worried about you dust, just getting a kick outta glass not being able to stick a fork in it....brings spin to politics and forgets to bring up his heroes flip floppin...

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heroes? my hero died [Frown] ....John Wayne....

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glassman..Just a little something on spin.
Facts
A fact in our lives is valuable not so far as it is true, but as it is significant
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

Maybe Saddum H. should of grasped the following before he thru away the lives of so many, including his own.

Unblemished let me live, or die unknown;
O grant an honest fame, or grant me none!

Alexander Pope

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glassman and Keithsan ...I missed the political season around here, but I bet the heat off the threads probably added to global warming...Glassman Sounds like you supported Kerry..Don't take it to bad if you did, because you always have Hillary..[ouch]
My hero is a old fisherman, known only by a few. But a true hero to all of us that know him.
He is still alive and hopefully will stay that way for a long time.

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You have to understand the personality processes at play in forming an idea, opinion, judgment, etc.

Our opinions are need based.

The need to accurately mirror existence as it really is (the need for validity), is often over-ruled by other needs, the need to love others for instance.

Those who have a strong need to unconditionally love mankind are taking a need that appropriately applies to taking care of babies, and inappropriately generalizing the need to everyone - the Christ and craddle-to-grave welfare morality. This inappropriate generalization is an example of mild thought disorder, akin to thinking all men are evil because one man raped you once, which is also an overgeneralization. It is inappropriate to love everyone, such as the rapist trying to attack you or the killer trying to kill you.

Those with the universal love mentality will be against capital punishment, against letting Terri Schiavo die, against abortion under any circumstance, and against defending their country when attacked. For them these positions are truth. They will interpret factual events in the light of their needs - the US was wrong to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - the terroists are winning, etc.

Those with a need balance that mirrors reality, and can base their ideas on valid perceptions, realize the wisdom of Bush's military policy, see the decline in US troops being killed in Iraq, see Iraqis and other Arabs joining in the fight against terrorism, realize the spread of democracy in the mideast has started and will bring peace while counteracting terrorism, and give Bush the due credit for winning the war on terrorism. As the good news in the mideast increases, they will have a harder time denying reality.

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The light of truth is blinding to most.

More comforting to look only at the shadows of falseness.

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i guess it was support for Kerry by default...
my take in his campaign? he didn't try very hard....

twisting the truth is done by all...

you have to admit the last election was pretty strange......

i'm no fan of Kerry either...or Gore or Clinton(s)

i actually supported the Bush's the first 3 times...
LOL and i was living at a university where younger was very unpopular in '99....

it was time for a change IMO...maybe we'll get some change in the teens, but i'm not expecting much...

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Doesn't matter who is elected.

The country is heading for eventual ruin and I don't see how it can reverse.

It started with the introduction of the income tax.

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More comforting to look only at the shadows of falseness.

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Art,the country no, the cities yes. Do you consider my statement spin? I think it will qualify...Simply because you left yourself open just a bit, I could drive a spin truck right thru.


The one's who continually give no quarter, even on the slightest oversight, well,,,thats one of the reasons I started this thread.

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