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Prayer may promote healing according to some research. People prayed for by others, without their knowledge, may get better more than those with similar illnesses who are not prayed for.
Enzymatic reactions in test tube samples have been found to speed up when in the presence of healers with reputations for healing ability.
Some approved drugs have been shown to be not more effective than placebo (sugar) pills, but are used anyway because the well established placebo effect is often quite significant.
Prayer may mobilize healing energies at a quantum wave level in the universe, but not if the praying person is a skeptic. The same may account for placebo.
I must be a skeptic at an unconscious level because I have prayed all my life for increased specialized biological equipment dimensions, but there has been no change over many years.
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I totally believe in prayer! I've seen it answered! God just doesn't always say yes! He knows what is better for us, than we do, because WE aren't God, HE is!
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anyone ever hear, "our greatest fear is not how small we are but how great we are" implying we ahve creative powers more then we are aware off. It is in awareness that we move closer to god who we are a part of.
as we become more aware, we see our manifestations with clarity.
Ever wonder why in our dreams, all thought is instantly manifested? (mine are) In reality, complicated messages and unawareness produce a mybrid of outcomes. Intent with awareness will manifest beyond imagination.
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In prayer, our intent is more focused so energy moves to our intent. Prayer is thought in action and powerful because there is a stronger belief in prayer.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: anyone ever hear, "our greatest fear is not how small we are but how great we are" implying we ahve creative powers more then we are aware off. It is in awareness that we move closer to god who we are a part of.
as we become more aware, we see our manifestations with clarity.
Ever wonder why in our dreams, all thought is instantly manifested? (mine are) In reality, complicated messages and unawareness produce a mybrid of outcomes. Intent with awareness will manifest beyond imagination.
It is understanding that moves us closer to God. Mystic awareness is imagination. Valid understanding is real. One can never become aware of God, only aware of imaginations of God. One can increasingly understand God, as the process underlying the maintainence and evolution of the universe.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: Ever wonder why in our dreams, all thought is instantly manifested? (mine are) In reality, complicated messages and unawareness produce a mybrid of outcomes. Intent with awareness will manifest beyond imagination.
Thought is not instantly manifested in dreams. Awareness of thought is, but not the thought processes themselves, which are always unconscious, even in dreams.
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Thought is instantly manifested in dreams as it can be in life as we move closer to god (unity). we are all creators, co-creating this experience. we choose what we experience whether consciously or sub-consciously.
In dreams, I see my thought instantly manifested such as, i am flying..I think that and soon I am flying. I think I am dancing with a handsome man, and whella - I am then I think he is old, and he turns old..Indreams, a dog can talk, etc...whatever you ar thinking is manifested in the dream.
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wrong..as we become more aware..we become more aware of who we are and god and our creative potential.
And, as you thinketh, is your reality... so if you think you cant become aware of god, you never will.
try it some time and you will be amazed to see the creative potential in your life. You let go, and let god. soemtimes, you see your thoughts manifested soon, sometimes later but when no doubt, it happens,. When you have doubt, nothing.
When you have no doubt, you know and you are more aware of god.....
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I think you confuse awareness with understanding.
Nearly all of thinking, and other personality processing occurs outside awareness - we only become aware of some outcome steps in that processing - we never become aware of the processing itself.
when you are writing, words and phrases come into your awareness in whole pieces, but much associative processing occurs outside of awareness in forming a single word - rapidly, in milliseconds, but much processing occurs.
When you suddenly find yourself flying in a dream, many unaware processes occurred outside of the flying awareness in terms of emotional/motivational association of memory cues.
This gives the illusion of free will, since you are unaware of the strictly determined processing that produced the little that you do become aware of. In personality, like in the universe everywhere, no event emerges freely from nothing - each and every event was caused by prior event communications to create a strictly determined chain of events.
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Understanding is a thought process. Awareness is a knowing. You come across self righteous in your response and I find that absurd. Those that are so self righteous are usally very narrow minded. I do not agree (a little maybe) with alot you say and I do not confuse awareness with understanding. Understanding is analytical - mind processed...but awareness is our whole being.
Maybe, you cant grasp that but dont infer that becasue I dont share your viewpoints that you are right.
Your personality comes across scientifically based and serves its purpose but that is where i depart from you because life, etc...is ALOT more then science or analytical thinking.
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thinkmoney: Understanding is a thought process. Awareness is a knowing.
Art: True, but consider that awareness is always of prior understanding worked out at an unconscious level and then emerging into awareness. You confuse awareness of an understanding with the understanding itself, because you don't understand the processes of thought that occur prior to, and outside of, awareness. I do.
thinkmoney: You come across self righteous in your response and I find that absurd.
Art: Yes the truth, when first confronted, appears absurd. Keep in mine that I have long ago been, where you are now in your ideas, and have developed many intermediary understandings, along the path to where I am now (that you have yet to experience).
You show the arrogance of ignorance and I show the arrogance of enlightenment.
thinmkmoney: Those that are so self righteous are usally very narrow minded.
Art: As often though, correct in their ideas.
thinkmoney: Understanding is analytical - mind processed...but awareness is our whole being.
Art: Understanding is achieved at five different modes of procssing, three of which are intellectual, all occurring outside of awareness. Analysis is just at one of these levels.
Awareness is of the whole being only when being understanding is achieved, and then the awareness is of the understanding.
thinkmoney: Maybe, you cant grasp that but dont infer that becasue I dont share your viewpoints that you are right.
Art: Grasping requires understanding. I easily recognize your ideas as false, since I had them, then rejected them for more valid ideas, long ago. You are unable to recognize my ideas as valid for you have yet to develop your understanding sufficiently.
thinkmoney: our personality comes across scientifically based and serves its purpose but that is where i depart from you because life, etc...is ALOT more then science or analytical thinking.
Art: Life can only be understood inductively, as can anything else. This requires a broad base of knowledge, but goes beyond the known. This is how Einstein devoleped relativity, and how any theory is developed. As you say, you must go beyond science and logic (which you confuse with analysis in the above), but you must expand your base of knowledge, and sharpen your inductive skills with more discrimination (your thought is overly abstract and general at this point). And yes, you haven't a clue as to what I have said in this post. Good luck.
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thinkmoney: As we become aware, our thoughts..thinking is in awareness. The less aware you are, then your thinking is outside of awareness.
Art: The less understanding you have, the less aware you are. Thinking is outside of awareness, and expanding your awaresess can not expand your understanding, only the reverse occurs. A thing must be believed in order to see it, where the belief process is achieved by undertanding, so a thing must be understood in order to be seen. Once seen, either in sensation, or in thought or internal imagery awareness, it can then be further processed unconsciously to bring forth a new awareness. Awarenesses are steps in sequential processing but are fruits of such unconscious processing rather than the understanding-processing itself.
Mystic awareness is too often based on expanded understanding where this is achieved by imagination as the expansion source, and thus delusional/hallucinatory.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: We are that process..we create ..the more aware we are.......It comes from nonmaterial, maybe not nothing.
We do create impulses toward awareness (sensation, thought, intuition, fantasy, or feeling) and response.
A small portion of such impulses reach actual expression out of the unconscious.
The universe is an expression also of data processing outside of materialization, resulting in pulses of materialization as discrete presents which parade in time/space sequence. This data processing is God and continually creates the universe in unfolding changes. Our data processing is our inner selves and continually creates expressions into the material forms of our awareness and response. We are God of our universe of our personality. We are connected, like everything else, to the mainframe computer of the universe, at a level where all is One.
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: We are that process..we create ..the more aware we are.......It comes from nonmaterial, maybe not nothing.
I think I now better understand what you mean - my frame of reference is different from yours. We still disagree perhaps, but marybe I can better show how.
You talk of awareness where I break it down into sensation and then interpretation/understanding to produce an understood awareness. This whole process, of sensation and understanding to produce awareness, is perceptual, to achieve a percept in awareness. Sensation is of material stimuli - actually it is receiving data encoded in waves from a stimulus object outside ourselves. This data is decoded at the sense organs, as on the retina, then transformed as neural pulses that also carry coded data, then associated (holographically) with coded data from memory. This coded data is then merged with the retinal image and serves to interpret that image, and this is what emerges into interpreted awareness.
This is sensation and perception of material events, that eventuates into awareness.
Now, what about awareness of non-material events, as you would call expanded awareness, but as I would call expanded sensation?
We can sometimes focus outside the material, not through physical senses but through our connection to the wave unity outside the material present (which is the universal past and multiverse future). Here we experience psychic visions of the future, as well as appparitions of the past, and time slips, as paraperceptions. This is your expanded awareness.
However, such mystical experience is typically adulterated, to varying degrees, by current material preoccupations, imagination, etc. It is often invalid. Psychics are sometimes right, and then sometimes incredibly so, but more often are wrong.
Also, you can not gain special knowledge from this - you can not step into another dimension where all mysteries are revealed or great knowledge is accessible. You can see alternate dimensions, but they are still as incompletly understood as the material dimension is. We disagree here.
Knowledge comes from understanding and not from paraperceptions of the non-material. Those who say they have special knowledge from mystic experiences have imagined this and are not telling you the truth.
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