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If you tried to walk through a brick wall enough times, say over a billion times, at some point you would find yourself over on the other side, disappearing on one side and reappearing on the other side. This called quantum tunneling and is readily experimentally demonstrated at the quantum level of small particles.
Teleportation is likewise so demonstrated at the quantum level, whereby a particle disappears at one location and immediately reappeaars across vast space at another location. The same thing can happen to large objects but with far less probability/frequency. Beam me up Scotty!
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All of space, and time, exists as single point - the correspondence point.
Our percpeptions of space and time create the illusion of material phenemona in space over time, where material phenomena are based on a real existence of waves that carry encoded data or information.
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Art get pissed? why? most of the peer reviewed "experts" in the quantum field are full of it.
i mean think about it... everybody sqabbles over whether there's some dead cat in a box somewhere....
most people KNOW by the time they are five that the cat will be dead in three days cuz they didn't put any water in, and 6 cuz they forgot the catchow....
not to mention the smell, i mean the litter box needs to be changed.....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Art get pissed? why? most of the peer reviewed "experts" in the quantum field are full of it.
i mean think about it... everybody sqabbles over whether there's some dead cat in a box somewhere....
most people KNOW by the time they are five that the cat will be dead in three days cuz they didn't put any water in, and 6 cuz they forgot the catchow....
not to mention the smell, i mean the litter box needs to be changed.....
The cat is an analogy to quantum behavior. At the quantum level, a particle is at different states at the same time, like a cat is both dead and alive at the same time, and which state it assumes depends on your observation/measurement.
Keep in mind that large particles do not act like small particles, but they could, only with far, less frequency. Humans teleport very, very rarely, while an atom can be made to teleport regularly under the right conditions. We can not yet create these conditions to regularly teleport humans, but we may not be far off.
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come on Art, admit it, nobody has proven that they have transported a SPECIFIC particle...
i am still even skeptical of the so-called "paired" particles....
doesn't it bother you just a little that the more we (data we collect) KNOW the more unlikely it is that these quantum experiments are actually replicable?
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Excerpted from a report by By Paul Rincon BBC News Online science staff:
In the past, teleportation has only been possible with particles of light. Now scientists have performed successful teleportation on atoms for the first time, the journal Nature reports.
This was achieved by two teams of researchers working independently in the US and Austria.
The ability to transfer key properties of one particle to another without using any physical link has until now only been achieved with laser light.
Experts say being able to do the same with massive particles like atoms could lead to new superfast computers.
We are able to teleport in a deliberate way - that is, at the push of a button.
When physicists talk about "teleportation", they are describing the transfer of "quantum states" between separate atoms. These would be such things as an atom's energy, motion, magnetic field and other physical properties.
And in the computers of tomorrow, this information would form the qubits (the quantum form of the digital bits 1 and 0) of data processing through the machines.
It relies on a strange behaviour that exists at the atomic scale known as "entanglement", whereby two particles can have related properties even when they are far apart. Einstein called it a "spooky action".
The two groups used different techniques for achieving teleportation, but both followed the same basic protocol.
First, a pair of highly entangled, charged atoms (or ions) are created: B and C. Next, the state to be teleported is created in a third ion, A.
Then, one ion from the pair - let's say B - is entangled with A. The internal state of both these is then measured and the result sent to ion C.
This transforms the quantum state of ion C into that created for A, destroying the original quantum state of A.
This has been done before, but not in such a way that you can keep the information there at the end.
Commenting in an article published in Nature, physicists H Jeff Kimble and Steven Van Enk said: "These two experiments represent a magnificent confluence of experimental advances, ranging from precision spectroscopy and laser cooling.
Step 1: A pair of entangled ions are created: B and C Step 2: The state to be teleported is created in ion A Step 3: One ion from the pair - in this case B - is entangled with A and both are measured Step 4: The result of the measurement is sent to ion C and the tranformation implemented Step 5: The state of C is now the same as that prepared for A
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Jenny Randles has studied time storms involving disappearance and reappearance, interviewing participants and witnesses, and describing these in her book, "Time Storms".
The time storm phenomenon seems to happen with some regularity, and many are likely never reported. Below is a small sample:
Somerset, England, 1974 - On July 28, Peter Williamson was having a barbecue in his backyard garden, which was interrupted by a heavy electrical storm. His dog, spooked by the threatening atmosphere, cowered under a tree. Peter went to rescue the animal. There was a bright flash - and Peter vanished into thin air! Police were called and a thorough investigation and search were conducted, without success. At 8 a.m., three days later, Peter was found in some nearby bushes with one foot in a pond - as if he had just appeared there out of nowhere.
Linhares, Brazil, 1981 - On April 20, Jorge Ramos, who was a representative for a chemical company, left his home at 6 p.m. to travel a few miles to a meeting. He never arrived. His Volkswagon was found on a side road a few miles from his home; the key was still in the ignition and all his business and personal effects were in the car. Police investigations could not account for what happened to Jorge or where he was. Five days later, his wife received a frantic call from Jorge. He said that while driving his car he was covered in a strange white glow after which he found himself in a dreamy, floating state. He came to standing by an unfamiliar road and sought help. To his shock, he discovered that the date was now April 25 - and he was 600 miles from home!
Florida, U.S.A., 1996 - A time storm may have been captured on videotape in 1996 at 11:16 p.m., in Florida. Surveillance cameras were routinely monitoring and taping the area around a small factory. The videotape revealed that as a worker approached one of the gates, a fuzzy white glow appeared and covered the area where the man was standing. There was brief electrical interference to the cameras, but when they cleared, the man had disappeared. One hour and 50 minutes later, the cameras recorded his sudden reappearance. He was on all fours, violently ill and suffered a two-hour gap in his memory.
Such incidents have been recorded from time to time throughout history.
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transferring "information" is not the same as teleportation Art. i agree that this stuff is interesting. BUT, like i said, so far it's muchadoboutnuttn'...
i think i unsuccessfully tried to 'splain before, that we don't "see" the universe for what it is yet, that you could say we exist in a multi-verse, but the multi-verse is really the universe, so our "universe" is just what we can "see"...stop looking at the particles and look at "space" that's the problem...
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glassman:..transferring "information" is not the same as teleportation Art. i agree that this stuff is interesting. BUT, like i said, so far it's muchadoboutnuttn'...
Art: Then we agree that information is instantly transferred across vast space in teleportation (see the experiments where Mozart's music was transferred faster than the speed of light).
You have to admit that as a result of this data transfer a physical change (state change) is produced.
It follows, does it not, that data regulates physical change, even when there is no physical transfer of data or energy. Einstein called this spooky, and it is just that.
glassman: ..i think i unsuccessfully tried to 'splain before, that we don't "see" the universe for what it is yet,
Art: That is what I have said all along, to you and others - the material world is an an illusion based in waves. We do not see the waves and force fields, and their intersections - we see the illusion of particles.
glassman:...that you could say we exist in a multi-verse, but the multi-verse is really the universe, so our "universe" is just what we can "see"...stop looking at the particles and look at "space" that's the problem...
Art: Not understanding this part. If we live in the multiverse, then we exist in all possible states of our existence simultaneously. To me this describes our non-material existence outside of the material world we experience, but does not describe the physical world we experience (which is a collapse of the multiverse wave function to the physical state). This gets confusing, doesn't it?
Another way to say this is while we exist in the physical, a part of us has an unconscious participation in the quantum wave unity of everything, and here we are everywhere and anytime simultaneously. This is even more confusing.
As far as space and particles, when we look at teleportation we are trying to look at space through what we can determine about particles. We know that information transfers instantly, to effect physical changes, through space, so there must be something about space that serves in this.
True, we have not yet transferred particles in teleportation experiments, but we have shown that this can be done, since we can transfer information to produce physical change from this transfer of data alone. The next step is to transfer a blueprint of the atomic structure of a physical object, which will transfer that object is self, instantly. Spooky!
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glassman:..transferring "information" is not the same as teleportation Art. i agree that this stuff is interesting. BUT, like i said, so far it's muchadoboutnuttn'...
Art: Then we agree that information is instantly transferred across vast space in teleportation (see the experiments where Mozart's music was transferred faster than the speed of light).
You have to admit that as a result of this data transfer a physical change (state change) is produced.
It follows, does it not, that data regulates physical change, even when there is no physical transfer of data or energy. Einstein called this spooky, and it is just that.
i'm skeptical about the "instantaneous" part... this where my "instincts" kick in, and why i support the "multiverse" theories...
once i grasped (what i could/can) of E=MC2 my gut told me it was wrong, because i ALREADY knew from Newtons observations that light doesn't have a constant speed... the BIG speed of light number is really just an expression of the power of TIME....
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Yes, light can travel 300 times its speed of C, when it goes through a cesium medium. Some of it arrives before it leaves! It can only arrive before it leaves if it was simultaneously at its destination and at its disembarking point - both places at once - at the exact point of disembarking. In fact the light is everywhere in the universe simultaneously, like everything else, at a wave level below the material.
The Mozart music went faster than the speed of light via entangled particles. The difficulty in measuring instantaneous movement, like the quantum leap when the electron changes orbit without moving but rather is repositioned instantly, is with our instruments of observation and measurement.
I understand your skepticism.
This stuff will drive you crazy.
Look at what it did to me!
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faster than light MAY seem instantaneous, however, i suggest that this is only because our percpetion fails.... Newton understood several centuries ago that light travels more slowly thru glass,man
PS.. this topic almost got me failed out of physics class...
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quote:Originally posted by Art: If you tried to walk through a brick wall enough times, say over a billion times, at some point you would find yourself over on the other side, disappearing on one side and reappearing on the other side. This called quantum tunneling and is readily experimentally demonstrated at the quantum level of small particles.
Here is a very technical paper on quantum tunneling. I have tried to walk through a brick wall 20,567 times so far, and hope one day to find myself on the other side of it (LOL) - getting there without touching the wall, but simply disappearing on one side and reappearing on the other side. It may take well over a billion times, but this is fact and not theory.
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This PR was sent to me from next Wednesday..
LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 9, 2005
Commencing at 9:30 a.m. EST tomorrow, CMKM Diamonds, Inc has reduced its outstanding sharecount to one less than infinity. This was achieved using the latest electromagnetic-quantum particle teletransportation methods.
CEO Urban Casavant stated 'for the first time in history we have able use this ground breaking technology to bring further value to our shareholders of the past, present, future, and also the shareholders from several other dimensions we anticipate on finding'
Co Chairman, Robert Mahue stated, 'with developments in quantum molceular DNA reanlysis utilising diamonds no larger than 0.00000001 microns , we have been able to create a full sized replica of the late Howard Hughes from preserved toe nail clippings. We anticipate that the addition of a lifesize replica of Howard Hughes will be a great addition to our Board of Directors even though we have not yet been able to make him hear, see nor speak.'
The company urges shareholders to keep buying our stock even though we are currently halted. Please forward all payments to Casavant Property, BOX 1 Smeaton Garbage Dump, Saskatchewan.
This press release DOES contain statements that constitute "forward-looking statements" as defined by quantum physics.
CMKX's actual results WILL differ materially from such forward-looking statements because E=MC2
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now that Roger Glenn has completed his mission at CMKX, i am contemplating hiring him to represent the Unit Estats in a class action suit against Ingland...
i feel that we deserve to have the Prime Meridian... it just not fair that you guys get to have it....
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