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there are quite a few intellecual conservatives that are voting AGAINST Bush...
The incompetent or the incoherent?
Oct 28th 2004 From The Economist print edition
With a heavy heart, we think American readers should vote for John Kerry on November 2nd
YOU might have thought that, three years after a devastating terrorist attack on American soil, a period which has featured two wars, radical political and economic legislation, and an adjustment to one of the biggest stockmarket crashes in history, the campaign for the presidency would be
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also, it has come to my attention that even the president of Pakistan agrees with me that Iraq has SERIOUSLY DAMAGED our image in the Islamic world.
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Ok glassman i am gonna vote for BUSH.You can still come baaaaaacckkkk we will accept you.LOL You are riding the losing horse.I can show you democrats that are liberal to the core voting for Bush.Thank God only 1 more day.Check that i already voted for bush absentee.
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LOL.... i haven't bet on anybody...whoever wins is the BOSS.... just trying to make sure everybody understands what the stakes are...
i've backed the loser before...twice on Clinton, i still lived...
my biggest worry if Bush wins is that one of these little issues like the Valerie Plame thing or the Haliburton FBI investigation will start another watergate that we can't afford...
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Whatever happens this country will thrive and survive.We have had some iffy presidents on both sides,we have had scandals,wars,you name it,and there always will be those things.After tuesday we can move forward.
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By the way just saw a CBS poll 20% of people have already voted and a sampling of those were 50% bush and 43% kerry.
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I have a problem with people that are so concerned with our image. Would you rather look good right now, or accomplish something? This war has affected our image, yes it is true. Will that mean anything in 4 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years? Absolutely not! If you are wondering why, it is because through this war, we are leading to the stabalization of oil prices over time, we are freeing a country of opressed people, we are taking murderers out of power, we are setting an example that the actions of this country, its terrorist actions, and those of any other country will not be tolerated. I do believe that history will judge President Bush in the highest regard. I mean really, how concerned can anyone really be concerned over this. That is moronic. The U.S. has set the standard for how terrorist and the ones that harbor and promote them will be dealt with. And yes, Sadam did harbor them, did help them, and without a doubt in my mind I can say that when the sanctions were lifted he would have dispensed weapons to those who injustly fight, with ideals based in insanity, to destroy what they can not accomplish on their own. It is insane to think our image will have any effect on the economy, our saftey and future. President Regan, was not the most popular kid on the block either, but he did what he set out to do. Now history honors his legacy.
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Really FO? Bush set a standard? Pakistan's lead nucUlar researcher SOLD the plans to N Korea and Iran and osam went there to escape Afghanistan? or is he still in afghanistan?
and you say Bush set the standard on how to deal with terrorists??
LOL...did you call ME a moron? what a joke....
i have no idea how people justify this crap... just admit that you would vote for Bush no matter what and be done with it...
i will tell you something that IS moronic, and that is predicting anything 4 years down the road right now...much less 4 days... and saying Reagan was not the most popular kid on the Block? LOL are you over 20? Reagan WAS the MOST popular...you guys make it up as you go......
saying Sadam would have had sanctions lifted is based on WHAT????? the only people who even mention that is Bush supporters...after they bring up oil for food...which would have never been stopped? get some logic going....
you don't care about our image in the world? neither does Bush.....
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Glass, I am not calling you a moron (it was not directed at you, just in general and in my over zealous way), just stating that this is a new world. This threat is a completely different type of threat. Bush did set the standard for pursuit of these threats. I did give kerry serious thought. All kidding aside I really did, I vote for whoever is the better candidate and whoever will lead this country in the direction I feel it should be led. But like I said, he is simply not a viable candidate. His record proves to me that he wants to take this country in a different direction that I feel it should go. That is very clear no matter what he says today. He has done one thing, now states another. Predicting how history will judge the President, is absolutely one of the easiest things to do (you see it negative if you see us failing in Iraq, or his being judged in a more positive aspect if you see us as being succesful). Unfortunately you failed to read between the lines (nothing is cut and dry, must be why you are convinced kerry is a viable candidate). When the work in Iraq is done, after they hold elections, after they gain the stability they need you can only have one opinion of the war, the terrorist and how president Bush handled them. Sure right now, things look like they are not going that well but do you think for one second that these things will not happen? No matter who is elected, because of President Bush, this war will be carried out leading to a new era in a country in the heart of the middle east. Freedom is probably the single most powerful tool any person or country can exercise, and that freedom we are currently helping them gain is something that will undoubtedly change way the middle east functions (over time). And now on President Regan. He was not the most popular kid on the block (popular does not mean vote-wise). He made choices that had many people in disagreement with him. However, he did see something they did not, the future and long-term results of his actions. If you look only at your feet as you walk, how will you ever know where you are going? It is the forward looking abilities of Presidents and their policies which make them great. Anyone can get up on a stage and say they are exactly the opposite of who they are (still outraged that so many Americans either buy into it, and/or agree that creating a dependent society is the right thing to do). In fact I do care how the world views us, I deeply care. I just disregard how they view us when they fail to recognize the importance of what we are doing and accomplishing. Do you actually feel that the opinion of France really matters? Look at these countries that pulled out of Iraq, or elected other leaders, because they were attacked. That is the worst move you can make. By showing weakness like that you give these people power which they have no right to. How can you allow these other countries influence you from the outside (you seem to let it influence your opinion from where I sit)? Sadam was a terrorist in his own country and towards his neighbors, but more importantly allowing him to remain in his throne would have undoubtedly failed in preventing him from restarting his weapons program, selling weapons, supporting terrorists (don't forget about his paying people to blow themselves up), and allow the threat to spread into his country even more than it already had. Again, how can you care, when in time the rest of the free world really has no option but to join us in our efforts of crushing this threat? You and I are on different sides of the street, I respect your opinion, but I do not understand it. I just do not understand the need for immediacy as far as results go. I do not understand those who feel we need to create a nation of dependent people. I do not understand those who feel that people should be deprived money which they earned, in order for the government to decide how it should be spent. I do not understand how kerry can be saying what he is saying now, knowing that he has every intention of raising taxes, further hurting the middle class, affecting how the health care system treats its patients (and believe me they have completely taxed the hospitals (at least in my area) to the point were the care of people is seriously flawed (this I know first hand, from hospitals which I am and have been privy to every aspect of them over my entire lifetime). I just can not accept the vision they have for America, and a major lack of reality in many of these visions.
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I'd rather take the word of our President, than the word of leaders of other countries that I don't know. What are their agendas? Illegal trade? Of course they wouldn't like a person that wont let them get away with crimes! Would you like a person that would try to stop you from posting in this thread, Glass? Posts: 622 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2004
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Here are some of the dems in lockstep with bush in an election year...(i left out zell)
_Rep. Brad Carson, running against former Republican Rep. Tom Coburn in Oklahoma, said state voters "look at George Bush (news - web sites) in this presidential race and they say, 'Oh, that's me. He's clearing brush in Crawford. John Kerry is windsurfing off Nantucket.'"
_Erskine Bowles, the North Carolina Democrat running against GOP Rep. Richard Burr (news, bio, voting record), commented, "I don't think I need to be in lockstep with anybody other than the people of North Carolina."
_Former Alaska Gov. Tony Knowles, the Democrat trying to defeat endangered Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski (news, bio, voting record), supports Bush's top energy priority, opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling.
_The Senate's top Democrat, Minority Leader Tom Daschle in South Dakota, has run an ad showing him embracing the president when Bush spoke to Congress shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks. The message was that Daschle can work with Bush when necessary. Republican opponent John Thune says Daschle is a major source of the gridlock that has blocked much of Bush's agenda in Congress.
_South Carolina's superintendent of education, Democratic candidate Inez Tenenbaum, has said she supports a ban on gay marriage and agreed with the invasion of Iraq (news - web sites).
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