Think about this:

The Union workers are going to support the wealthiest presidential ticket ever assembled! Kerry and Edwards are worth a combined Billion dollars and change (far more than Bush/Cheney are worth). The two have accused Bush and Cheney of being out of touch with middle America and only in touch with the "wealthiest" Americans. Edwards was a trial lawyer and Kerry married his fortune, yet they claim to represent the working man? (I guess John Edwards is right, there really is two Americas: theirs and ours.)

Minorities are going to vote for Kerry despite the fact that no black or Hispanic was even considered for the Vice Presidential spot. I'm sure the rich New Englander understands the plight of the average black man and will fight hard for them if elected. (yea right.)

Homos will vote for Kerry/Edwards despite the fact that they have both said that marriage should be between a man and a woman. (Even they can see that homos are just weird!)

The feminists & the 'anti-life' fringe will vote for them despite Kerry admitting that he believes life begins at conception. (Maybe it's just me, but that really doesn't help the pro-choice stance that abortion isn't murder.)

The "gun control" nutcases will vote for them even though Kerry has taken every opportunity to have photos taken of him in blue jeans, boots, and a gun, all in an attempt to make him look like an outdoor sportsman. (yea, that's believable.)

Atheists will vote for them..................well, I guess they should!

After all of these years of broken promises by the Democratic Party and it's candidates. These wacky groups of perennial losers continue to support the Party with their money and their vote. Talk about unconditional loyalty!
Seems like maybe this time they should give Ralph Nader a try. (Of course that would leave the Democrats with only the uneducated voter.)

Well I guess you missed the last survey. It stated that Kerry supporters had higher education and understood the issues better then Bush supporters by 68%. Do you know that 60% of all Bush Supporters believe we found WMD and that Saddam was behind 911.

Oh I am a Disabled American Veteran who was in the Gulf War and also has a college degree or 2. But I guess that I am too dumb to know how to vote. Select Kerry will make me dumb or Bush to make me smart. I am dumb so must pick Kerry. lol

By the way, I am not any of those in the list yet still voting for Kerry.

Kate,i think politics proves we are descended from animals..and we haven't evolved all that far either...LOL

Gotta luv politics, brings out the best in us all.

Ric

Now thats funny, I don't care whatcha say thats funny.

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Originally posted by glassman:
Kate,i think politics proves we are descended from animals..and we haven't evolved all that far either...LOL

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Originally posted by Ric:
Antigun Nazis?

Well I guess you missed the last survey. It stated that Kerry supporters had higher education and understood the issues better then Bush supporters by 68%. Do you know that 60% of all Bush Supporters believe we found WMD and that Saddam was behind 911.

Oh I am a Disabled American Veteran who was in the Gulf War and also has a college degree or 2. But I guess that I am too dumb to know how to vote. Select Kerry will make me dumb or Bush to make me smart. I am dumb so must pick Kerry. lol

By the way, I am not any of those in the list yet still voting for Kerry.

Ric

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...thats cuz the dems lie in there survey also the people at the nursing homes just say they're educted. and you can't contact the ghettos cuz they all on cell phones.

you gotta be on that list somewhere i think i'm a combo of a few...

LOL homos LOL- that one kills me.

Besides that, I am voting against Bush more then anything. Well, I guess I dislike Cheney the most. He runs the office more then Bush. He is mean in my opinion. I think he messed up Iraq and I see we will be stuck there for years. Yes there maybe elections next year but don't think for a minute once we leave the country will plunge into a civil war and the clerics will take over like Iran. No Kerry won't be able to fix Bushes mistakes either but theres no need to give the problem another chance. He had his chance. I work with disabled vets and help them get there benefits. Do you know that a National Guards family doesn't get health insurance while there spouse is called up for extented duty that the Guard was never told they would have to do. Oh well as I said it a vote against Bush.

Ric

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Originally posted by ohdagagain:
Ric, First off let me say thanks for your service to our great nation. But how as a veteran can you vote for kerry? How can you support someone who doesn't support you or me? How can you support someone who says its ok to kill an unborn baby? even though he admitted to killing born babies when he was in Nam, and since he did it everyone over there had to have done it. Wouldn't it have sucked if your mom would have decided to have an abortion? Well you wouldn't know, but just say you know al you know now and think you were killed as a little baby. While we are imaginating, imagine you are a POW in Nam, and the enemy tells you that a navy guy back in the states says you are a criminal and chokes you and ties you in very painful ways, because john kerry says you are a war criminal. sucks doesn't it?

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80's:Iraq is our ally against Iran, we encourage them to destroy our common enemy in any way nessecery....when they gas Iranians we silently give them the thumbs up...

90's: we are requested by Saudi Arabi to help defend them from Sadam..he has just reclaimed Kuwait a breakaway state, and is SUPPOSEDLY massing on their border(the Russkies dispute this quietly)...LOL

while we are there, we do EVERYTHING BUT remove Sadam from power and then pack up and leave.....leaving BROKEN promises with kurdish rebels, who end up being killed with the ONLY munitions Sadam has readily available...gas...

2001 sam a SAUDI ARABIAN commits 911 funded by Saudis....

2003: after a breif show of force in Afghanistan,

we re-attack Iraq

Saudi Arabia's OLD ENEMY

....in a defensive move AGIANST the SAUDI terrorists....LOL

anybody who can make sense of this NEEDS their heads examined....cuz i think they tasted the kool-aid...

it make no SENSE,

wake up...

the terrorists haven't been getting ANY worse.....
they have been doing this ALL along, and invading iraq didn't do ANYTHING to stop it...
they hit US harder on 911, they also got EXTREMELY LUCKY to pull that off....
too many mistakes by too many people...
from the visa's to the classrooms at flight schools and on and on....

but NOWHERE does Iraq fit into it...

Love reading all the opinions over here...one or two a bit scary, but most are interesting.

Have a great day!

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and you REFUSE to recognise that i'm telling you, i KNOW these people are going to fight till they are all dead if we keep going this way...

and if you think the Nam was a good war, you are in for a REAL treat....

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I do recognize that, and they will at least until they realize how much deeper they are digging themselves. Soon enough, unless they abandon their ideals these monsters will be viewed as such and even by their own people. Do you really think anyone will tolerate their actions once they start to actually profit from the new direction their country is taking? They will be viewed just as we view them. I remember watching the news, and there was this story on about a kid (I think around 10-12 years old) who strapped a bomb to himself. When his mother was interviewed she applauded his efforts. That sounds to me like a woman who has no hope for her or sons future (which they would not unless things in those nations change to better the future of their people). They are fighting a losing battle, and when their country starts to capitalize on its own resources these terrorists lose the ability to fight what they have become. It all comes down to money. If you have a nation which is financially more stable, and capable of earning real money which (this time) will go into the hands of the Iraq people you have a country which has no reason for turmoil, hence radicals would be cast aside. Again this is a long term look at how things will go over there, based on the assumption that the us, and other supporting nations finish the job they started.
As for the Vietnam war, well I think what was more of a disgrace was how the anti-war liberal bleeding hearts became terrorists in their own sense of the word. Yes I said terrorists! You had people coming home who had literally been in the devils backyard and any person who spoke out against them, made negative comments or committed any physical act to take away from what those young men and women had been through is an outright crime. And now here is a man who basically should have flogged for his comments saying he is for the military? How can anyone truly believe that. Seriously. That war was the first of its kind for us and our inability to distinguish between civilian and soldier led to many deaths. So many people were killed and injured, to take away from the memory, the effort, the lives lost and broke, the physical as well as mental anguish they suffered both there and upon their return by simply turning on every person you were in combat with, shows no honor. Today, things are somewhat similar, your enemy and civilian are sometimes one in the same, that is why this is not an easy thing to accomplish. But still the light at the end of the tunnel is much brighter and much more prosperous for these people than the direction some would like to head. It is that future which will turn these people from the religious action and ideals of the dark ages towards the bright future of democracy were their religion can freely flourish so long as it lacks the destructive aspects some have created over the past 20 years or so.

we ORIGINALLY went to defend Saudi...they got a lot of military benefits from this toooo....

taking Kuwait back and then destroying Sadams army was the way to do the job, but it was not presented that way at the start....
psy-ops are tricky...this time Bush didn't treat the right people correctly (pentagon, intel), or we would have found WMD...think about it...

you think we are going to win by might?

not with the coalition we have....

and there is a good reason we don't have more in our coalition...

and it's not gonna get better under Bush...

will it get better under Kerry? i dunno but BUSH made this MESS and i can't vote for him after he did this....

he blew the BIGGEST advantage we have ever had in this battle....

sam couldn't have asked for a better recruitment campaign than he has been given....

and the prez of Egypt said so publicly BEFORE we invaded...
and many others said so quietly...

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Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner:
You know guys us Bush people should just fold it up this Ric fellow says he saw a survey which states we are uneducated. Well that does it for me LOL. Keep in mind the Dems are having to register drug addicted concert goers, Prisoners and college kids that think they know whats going on {yea right} The last time the commie scum wanted to cause problems here where did they start right in our universities.

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Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner:
You know guys us Bush people should just fold it up this Ric fellow says he saw a survey which states we are uneducated. Well that does it for me LOL. Keep in mind the Dems are having to register drug addicted concert goers, Prisoners and college kids that think they know whats going on {yea right} The last time the commie scum wanted to cause problems here where did they start right in our universities.

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MEMRI said radical Islamist commentators monitored over the Internet this past weekend also interpreted the key passage of bin Laden's diatribe to mean that any U.S. state that votes to elect Bush on Tuesday will be considered an "enemy" and any state that votes for Kerry has "chosen to make peace with us."

The statement in question is when bin Laden said on the tape: "Your security is up to you, and any state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

That sentence followed a lengthy passage in the video in which bin Laden launches personal attacks on the president.

Yigal Carmon, president of MEMRI, said bin Laden used the Arabic term "ay-wilaya" to refer to a "state" in that sentence.

That term "specifically refers to an American state, like Tennessee," Carmon said, adding that if bin Laden were referring to a "country" he would have used the Arabic word "dawla."

MEMRI also translated an analysis of bin Laden's statement from the Islamist Web site al-Qal'a, well known for posting al-Qaeda messages, which agreed that bin Laden's use of the word "ay-wilaya" was meant as a "warning to every U.S state separately."

"It means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president, it means that it chose to fight us and we will consider it an enemy to us, and any state that will vote against Bush, it means that it chose to make peace with us and we will not characterize it as an enemy," the Web site said, according to MEMRI's translation.

the terrorists have already rode you hard and put you away WET

you are being shepherded right into the booth...

this is the MOST UNPATRIOTIC thing i have heard since Cheney's little talks...

i can't believe ANY american would say anything that sick.

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Originally posted by glassman:
FO,
you say THEY are digging themselves in deeper????
we are not winning the image war right now....
they think WE are monsters too...
and the war for the hearts and minds of Iraq is paramount right now...Kerry is a new face to them....

have you taken the time to find out how many people on this planet are Islamic???
it ought to scare you...

you think we are going to win by might?

not with the coalition we have....

and there is a good reason we don't have more in our coalition...

and it's not gonna get better under Bush...

will it get better under Kerry? i dunno but BUSH made this MESS and i can't vote for him after he did this....

he blew the BIGGEST advantage we have ever had in this battle....

sam couldn't have asked for a better recruitment campaign than he has been given....

and the prez of Egypt said so publicly BEFORE we invaded...
and many others said so quietly...

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Glass, again ... will it actually matter how we look right now, when in 5 years time after they have built up their system and are actually for the first time in God knows how long a legit nation capable of taking care of themselves and deciding through a democratic legal process who should be in power? It really will not matter what their opinions of us are right now, because in the end we are the ones who have handed them their country back.

As for Islamic people, you talk as if they are the problem. The problem is the insane among them who feel they hide behind their religion to commit mass murders for reasons not based in reality. You call this a war of might? If this were a war of might, we would have leveled the entire country. This is a war against a few who are among the many innocent around them. You sound as if it is as easy as target practice. From seeing how this war has been going you must understand it is anything buy easy to kill and capture these people when they hide behind their wives and children. You still fail to recognize the positive effect this will have over time in ending the radical ideals of these terrorists. At the very least placing them as outcasts in their own societies. You have noticed that these are people who are coming from countries in which they are oppressed. Changing that, changes everything. Do you think there will be half as much reason for these people to fight if they are provided the chance to have a country which can be changed by them? You said President "Bush blew the biggest advantage we ever had in this battle", but again you fail to recognize that this is the biggest advantage. Directly affecting the way these countries are run, providing a place in which they can prosper, providing them freedoms they have been denied their entire lives is the best war on terrorism. If you fail to recognize that you will never accomplish an end to this. The support of other nations, you must be kidding? If you are confronted with a threat, you head towards it, now away. What do you think will happen if these people are allowed the power to achieve what they want. You think any country will be safe? Absolutely not. Maybe ignoring a problem will make you a little safer now, but in the long run you will lose out. And at that point it will be to late. I mean use your common sense, look at 9/11 and the attacks we had before that. We ignored the prior attacks, and we were safe... for a little while. This war has everything to do with the war on terror, there is no mistake about it. Yes other reasons exist for this war, but there is no doubt that this war has made us a little safer, if not immediately it will lead to us being safer long term. This world was given reason to act, some refused while others joined. As long as we see this through, we will come out on top. And I still can not understand why you feel kerry can do anything positive with this situation. Any country which is not part of this already wants nothing to do with it, Bush or kerry. It makes no sense to put someone into office who is clearly anti-military. How can you overlook his past and buy into what he says now. You can not take anything at face value, but you seem to take what he says as just that. This man is seriously flawed, and his presidency would most likely be the same. He would blunder any tax cuts we were given, put more pressure on the middle class, leave the social security system the same only for a president after him to have to deal with it. This country needs to have people decide how to spend their own money, not be told. I am sorry but he is just not a viable candidate. And even if he were all I would want a President to be, I could still not vote for him in good conscious because of his running mate. That man has absolutely no business being were he is at this point in his career.

FO, i agree that in 5 years it won't matter (if we are successful, which is not optional)....

so, getting there is the key...

i'm not trying to imply that i think Islam is bad....(don't try to tell that to the evangelists tho)

what i am saying is that there are a lot more Muslims than most Americans realize and that if we continue to offend them(and we have), we will be in bigger trouble...

i hear a lot of STORIES about foreigners coming into Iraq to fight US there, but, we haven't captured very many foreigners....
it's still anecdotal.....
i suggested awhile back that abu-graib caused a lot of what is going on there now...
we put over 50,000 Iraqi's in abu-graib at one time or another...
Iraqi's are harboring whoever it is we are fighting now...

directly affecting the way countries are run is what they are fighting against...
by replacing our old policies with this NEW policy we have become colonialists in their eyes....
whether it's true or not doesn't matter does it? what matters is perception...just like the market...
Afghanistan is not over ....we are still a long way from being successful there...

this war is NOT making US safer....

pre-911 attacks did NOT go unanswered, and i didn't like doing as little as we did either...the COLE made me mad...i bunked on one ship right where they hit it...

the view that Kerry is anti-military is propaganda generated by the Bush campaign and it's a scorched earth policy...i said that all the way back in March. i was deeply suspicious of polls showing Bush with a 5% lead, even then....
but we won't know for a few more days if i was correct about that, will we...
i don't think Kerry is a cut-n-runner...
i think that he has (in the past) told it like it is...(as much as any politician does)
painting him as a LOSER is bad for the country, even if Bush wins, with 45+%? of the vote going for Kerry, that is a bad message to send.....real BAD,

and i always expected Kerry to get 45% minimum....so i think that Bush ALSO showed bad judgement by allowing the campaign to run the way it has...even if he claims that the swifties don't share his views...