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[QUOTE]Originally posted by futuresobjective: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman: [b]FO, you say THEY are digging themselves in deeper???? we are not winning the image war right now.... they think WE are monsters too... and the war for the hearts and minds of Iraq is paramount right now...Kerry is a new face to them.... have you taken the time to find out how many people on this planet are Islamic??? it ought to scare you... you think we are going to win by might? not with the coalition we have.... and there is a good reason we don't have more in our coalition... and it's not gonna get better under Bush... will it get better under Kerry? i dunno but BUSH made this MESS and i can't vote for him after he did this.... he blew the BIGGEST advantage we have ever had in this battle.... [IMG]http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/redface.gif[/IMG]sam couldn't have asked for a better recruitment campaign than he has been given.... and the prez of Egypt said so publicly BEFORE we invaded... and many others said so quietly... [This message has been edited by glassman (edited November 01, 2004).][/b][/QUOTE] Glass, again ... will it actually matter how we look right now, when in 5 years time after they have built up their system and are actually for the first time in God knows how long a legit nation capable of taking care of themselves and deciding through a democratic legal process who should be in power? It really will not matter what their opinions of us are right now, because in the end we are the ones who have handed them their country back. As for Islamic people, you talk as if they are the problem. The problem is the insane among them who feel they hide behind their religion to commit mass murders for reasons not based in reality. You call this a war of might? If this were a war of might, we would have leveled the entire country. This is a war against a few who are among the many innocent around them. You sound as if it is as easy as target practice. From seeing how this war has been going you must understand it is anything buy easy to kill and capture these people when they hide behind their wives and children. You still fail to recognize the positive effect this will have over time in ending the radical ideals of these terrorists. At the very least placing them as outcasts in their own societies. You have noticed that these are people who are coming from countries in which they are oppressed. Changing that, changes everything. Do you think there will be half as much reason for these people to fight if they are provided the chance to have a country which can be changed by them? You said President "Bush blew the biggest advantage we ever had in this battle", but again you fail to recognize that this is the biggest advantage. Directly affecting the way these countries are run, providing a place in which they can prosper, providing them freedoms they have been denied their entire lives is the best war on terrorism. If you fail to recognize that you will never accomplish an end to this. The support of other nations, you must be kidding? If you are confronted with a threat, you head towards it, now away. What do you think will happen if these people are allowed the power to achieve what they want. You think any country will be safe? Absolutely not. Maybe ignoring a problem will make you a little safer now, but in the long run you will lose out. And at that point it will be to late. I mean use your common sense, look at 9/11 and the attacks we had before that. We ignored the prior attacks, and we were safe... for a little while. This war has everything to do with the war on terror, there is no mistake about it. Yes other reasons exist for this war, but there is no doubt that this war has made us a little safer, if not immediately it will lead to us being safer long term. This world was given reason to act, some refused while others joined. As long as we see this through, we will come out on top. And I still can not understand why you feel kerry can do anything positive with this situation. Any country which is not part of this already wants nothing to do with it, Bush or kerry. It makes no sense to put someone into office who is clearly anti-military. How can you overlook his past and buy into what he says now. You can not take anything at face value, but you seem to take what he says as just that. This man is seriously flawed, and his presidency would most likely be the same. He would blunder any tax cuts we were given, put more pressure on the middle class, leave the social security system the same only for a president after him to have to deal with it. This country needs to have people decide how to spend their own money, not be told. I am sorry but he is just not a viable candidate. And even if he were all I would want a President to be, I could still not vote for him in good conscious because of his running mate. That man has absolutely no business being were he is at this point in his career. [This message has been edited by futuresobjective (edited November 01, 2004).] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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