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glassman
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Well, congratulations to fear-mongers are in order, the republicans seem to have convinced most of my neighbors that the taliban and the rebels in Iraq are for Kerry.....

i guess we are doomed if people really are this STUPID

there is MORE terrorism now, not less....

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i guess everybody forgeot that we LOST Nam, and still WON the cold war.......
we did it with MONEY, the scary part here is that we are losing our REAL ability to fight war, cuz service based economies don't have what it take to WIN WARS they have what it take to become SERVANTS

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interesting speech today, it's about time Kerry took off his gloves....

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
interesting speech today, it's about time Kerry took off his gloves....

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too bad he contradicted himself....


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another "enemy combatant" released after being held for two years without a trial....

they aren't protected by the constitution cuz we keep them in Cuba....Hmmmmmm
is this just a technicality?

seems like we are having to deal with a lot of Constitutional technicalities lately.....


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yep we are, you see cat stevens news.
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hard to believe he is an undesirable, his music has always struck me as from the heart, and peace-loving...

people are not always what they appear to be tho
i suspect somebody made a mistake...his new name is Islam....that should set off the alarms...not a crisis..LOL

locking people in jail for over 90 days without due process is tho...
i pick 90 days because we are at war....


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Dr Rice is giving an EXCELLENT presentation right now.....
she is trying very hard to be honest and not spin, eevn tho she is obviously being put on the campaign circuit.....

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o'reilly has done the interview, will show excerpts tonight and air it full next week.

Dr. Rice is great, saw her but, no time to listen....


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yes Dr. Rice is a Russian specialist and that may be more important than the mid-east soon....if not already..

Dick Cheney did it agian today....he said Kerry would retreat.....
while Bush was saying that Kerry is bad for attacking the Prez....

is this flip-flopping...LOL


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Birds of a feather flock together.Democrat or republican still politicians both have a dark side.Most of them are hypoc(rats).In my unbiased been screwed over humble opinion.LOL
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
yes Dr. Rice is a Russian specialist and that may be more important than the mid-east soon....if not already..

Dick Cheney did it agian today....he said Kerry would retreat.....
while Bush was saying that Kerry is bad for attacking the Prez....

is this flip-flopping...LOL



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OK recent polls...
58% of Bush supporters want to see MAJOR changes in the way Bush runs the country....

yet the Prez is running on a platform of "staying the course"
i have a logical disconnect here....


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here's another logical disconnect....

we are trying to set up a democracy in a nation that is heavily weighted with Shi'a (sp) Muslims....

they are the same sect that runs Iran......

logic tells me we are not going to leave Iraq with a long-term win in my lifetime....

this thing is terrible mess, and getting worse....


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
here's another logical disconnect....

we are trying to set up a democracy in a nation that is heavily weighted with Shi'a (sp) Muslims....

they are the same sect that runs Iran......

logic tells me we are not going to leave Iraq with a long-term win in my lifetime....

this thing is terrible mess, and getting worse....


How is this a terrible mess?


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hey clyde, i don't have time to cover the whole thing..LOL

in my opinion the real mess is that everybody is lying....and my concern is whether or not the powers that be are being honest WITH THEMSELVES.....


if we allow Iraq to have truly free elections, they MAY end up looking more like Iran than like US, does anybody in the US think that would be good?

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i hope today's lunchtime Rose Garden PR question and answer session gets played IN FULL some more....

the questions were tough and the answers were not clear at all....


OUR interim president in Iraq made it clear HE wants Bush...
that doesn't make me inclined to vote for Bush....

Mr. Allawi is the president's supporter...BIG SHOCK.....LOL

according to the White House.. a poll taken in Iraq shows that 51% of Iraqis support the US effort in Iraq...


wow, that's a relief.....good thing it wasn't 49%


Interim Prime Minister Allawi also said that he has ALMOST 50K Iraqi troops now....
hmmmm.. the number keeps getting lower and lower....

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been doing some DD on Allawi... not much FACT available.....

one thing that keeps popping up is that he apparently was a CIA and MI-6 "expert" on Iraq and may be responsible for the dis-intelligence that was presented to US and the UN on WMD....

hmmmmm

maybe this is the REAL reason the insurgents have been getting more support from the general populace over there since he was made Interim Prime Minister...
maybe they are FIGHTING HIM, not US so much????????

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new developments on Allawi.....

Rumsfeld said today they will have the election even if they can't vote in all the parts of Iraq.....

that's like saying we could have a good election here without Florida......


hmmmmmmm.....

all the more reason to have the UN in and oversee the elections.......

i think it's important to know whether or not Allawi supplied the WMD intel to Bush and Blair too.....

Allawi is NOT a Foreign LEADER, he was put in power by Bush.......
the government there is NOT representative...

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Hmmm an election without Florida. No hanging chads, no dimpled chads, no holding a dozen recounts, mighty tempting. Just kidding. lol
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that's why i picked them...LOL

Richard Holbrook is on the spin factor right now saying some really insightful stuff...he's a former UN amabassador...


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More Allawi....
he said today that Syrians are pouring over the border to fight in the insurgency. BUT the last i heard (two weeks ago) we had almost NO foreign prisoners and we haven't verified that any of the insurgents are foreign EXCEPT the Al-queda guy Zar-qhaui( a Joradanian)...
now, here's my question....
if the insurgents are Iraqis, why are they fighting? (i've been asking this for months)

they don't HATE freedom-that's stupid.

nobody hates freedom,
they hate not being in charge

i can't stand it when the Prez stands up and says they hate US because we are free....

and according to this news site, Allawi said 2 days ago that he gets along EXCELLENT with Syria...
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/040921/2004092106.html

which is it?????

we are being lied to NON-STOP

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where the iraqi's in charge before......
I must have missed something.

Can you get along with a country or with the leader of a country and still have wackos crossing the border?- I think so.

Whos that cheese head from NBC harrassing the pres. yesterday.....he got all heated asking the question a second time-LOL saying pres didnt answer question but, it was a yes or no answer. He did say NO.

what % of america doesnt vote, i still think we should hold elections. obviously the first few are going to be disrupted, hell they get disrupted in spain......


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yes, elections do get disrupted, even in established democracies....
i was in the Phillipines for elections in 1982--they were shooting in the streets...
of course that was under Mr. Marcos...another one of our allies that lost his political base(and our military bases)
there, in that time, you DID NOT talk politics if you wanted to live...

i should qualify that with this, i was in the provinces, not Manilla when i saw the violence. PI is a beautiful country with beautiful people i was not bing judgemental of THEM, i think we take for GRANTED just how good our system HAS been.....

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MORE SPIN
the Spain election....
everybody is pointing to the terror attack and saying that changed the election.....
i disagree that the OUTCOME of the election would have been different ...the numbers might have been different but,
it was a landslide AGAINST the govt that supported US in Iraq....the people of Spain were against supporting US and the Spanish GOVT did it anyway.....that's well-documented...


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i dont buy it glass, IMO it did change the election......from what i've read, polls etc...
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The Cato institute is NOT liberal....
http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-24-04.html


March 24, 2004


American Conservatives Misread the Spanish Election
by Ted Galen Carpenter

Ted Galen Carpenter is vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute and is the author or editor of 15 books on international affairs, including Peace & Freedom: Foreign Policy for a Constitutional Republic.

Seldom has mythology arisen so quickly about an event as it has with regard to the election results in Spain. Hordes of conservative pundits in the United States have rushed to condemn the unexpected defeat of the right-wing Popular Party as a vote for the appeasement of terrorism. According to the conservative conventional wisdom, Spanish voters, in an appalling act of cowardice, reacted to the terrorist bombings in Madrid by ousting the party that had loyally supported the Bush administration's war on terror, and especially the war in Iraq.

Such an interpretation profoundly misreads the election results. Although Al Qaeda may believe that the outcome vindicates a strategy of intimidation, there is no evidence that Spanish voters intended to convey a message of appeasement. Indeed, in his first news conference, the new prime minister, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, emphasized that combating terrorism would be a top priority of his government. Spain has been resolute all along in helping the United States identify and disrupt Al Qaeda cells in that country. Now that Spanish blood has been shed on Spanish soil by the terrorists, that resolve is likely to be strengthened, not weakened.

But just because the Spanish people are determined to combat radical Islamic terrorism does not mean that they have an obligation to endorse the U.S. intervention in Iraq. The election results confirm that a majority of Spaniards make a distinction between those two missions. That is not surprising, because large majorities around the world have made a similar distinction. Indeed, it is a distinction that seems to elude few people -- except for a majority of conservatives in the United States.

Public opinion surveys before, during, and after the Iraq war showed that 80 to 90 percent of Spanish voters opposed the U.S. policy. Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's government took a great risk in defying such overwhelming sentiment by supporting the U.S. war and occupation. It should not come as a surprise that, in a healthy democratic system, a political party that arrogantly ignores the public's near consensus on an important issue may go down to defeat in the next election.

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Kerry says he is going to FRY the Saudi's......
Bush might not like that....

i'll SUPPORT anybody that will shut them down...

Fox cut his speech off again...
Bush is jumping on the air to pre-empt to tell us about a school fund-raiser hmmmmmm

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spain thing is also common european opinion
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i just said i would vote for anybody that would go after the Saudi's.....


NOW, if Bush wants MY vote he NEEDS to stand up publicly and DENOUNCE the Saudi's BEFORE the election, in a very meaningful way...

Kerry just went to the RIGHT, RIGHT past Bush....LOL

maybe they are starting to listen.....


The Talking Heads.... Life in Wartime...

"this ain't no party,
this ain't no disco,
this ain't no foolin' around"

i told you the liberals aren't wimps...
it's what the spin meister's try to portray them as, but i have argued with PLENTY of them... LOL

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The thing about Kerry going to the right is we all know he's only visiting. He'll go back to his roots soon enough which is extream left.

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wasn't JF Kennedy a left winger? i think he started the Nam...LOL

politics is STRANGE......
just be sure YOU VOTE. if we don't get the numbers WAY up these guys will continue to walk all over us, the left and the right....

the bar is raised now, as far as Saudi goes, and that is what I want....


it really ticks me off that the politicians don't work for US anymore...
they make US work for them.....

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you can't lead this country if your ally in Iraq feels like you question his credibility

word for word quote from president Bush's speech today.....it's just a clip being run by Fox and CNN....

i listened to it 4 times and copied it down and re-verified it....

what does this mean???? which country? OUR COUNTRY?


so who is really being held hostage here?

is Allawi responsible for the bad WMD intel or not?

i really don't like foreigners coming into my country and telling me who to vote for....
it's bad enough we are having so much trouble with the UN.....

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quote:
Originally posted by timberman:
Hmmm an election without Florida. No hanging chads, no dimpled chads, no holding a dozen recounts, mighty tempting. Just kidding. lol

wow! just found out that the three provinces where the vote might not take place are 25% of the population.....
that would be more like the whole east coast i think ,(ALMOST)...LOL
great election....we aren't rushing things are we...


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Were in another no win situation.We can't just leave now.We have our brave young men and women fighting an enemy they can,t see.Any person on anyday can be the enemy.I just pray for our young men and women.I don't see an end to this.We should have done a better job planning.
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A Vet Speaks Out: http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/09/20/Commentary/Hardened.Hearts.A.Vet.Speaks.Out-730610.shtml
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