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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/012801/p/103.html?

Was asked to start a new thread...
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
sweet... Hi new thread.
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
Yeah, we tend to get long winded, don't we?
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
I'm glad I found. Tried to ditch me huh 10
 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
does anyone think that TDA was behind the C&D letter??? Good possibility if you ask me
 

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Posted by BooDog on :
 
Scottrade said no restrictions at this time for CSHD.
 

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Posted by Peaser on :
 
I wonder if anyone has posted the CSHD PR on the yahoo + msn AMTD boards for the AMTD investors to get wind of this. lol

"Penny Stock to cripple TDA"

They'd get a hoot from it, for sure IMO. lol
 

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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Found ya...thought you could lose me did you?
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

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Originally posted by RichBy26:
does anyone think that TDA was behind the C&D letter??? Good possibility if you ask me

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
I'm glad I found. Tried to ditch me huh 10

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Originally posted by SherriT:
Yeah, we tend to get long winded, don't we?

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Understatement of the year.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
ha ha ~~
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Got a little volumne today!! lol ~
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
all business is war...
i have no doubt there are a few other brokers that would be happy to "acquire" a lot of NEW customers...


 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:

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Originally posted by RichBy26:
does anyone think that TDA was behind the C&D letter??? Good possibility if you ask me

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Thats is an interesting thought 26!!

If thats true, TDAm is screwed!!

I just hope I can dump out all my positions before Rufas craps down there necks..( no punn on the "dump out" thing)

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
Does anyone hold a position in this thru TDAm , and has not yet asked for certs???

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Originally posted by glassman:
i, uh, i pointed this out before folks:

don't forget!

AMTD may just be holding too many NS'es...

they MAY NOT have sold any shorts at all, but they looked in the accounts of their traders and said where are all the real shares?

this makes just as much sense as anything else so far...

if this is true? they are still interfering with free trading tho..

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
LOVE the new thread name btw ~

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Just the facts Ma'am...!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Originally Posted by 736arb
Just x-fered my account t *E, also followed up with TDA, as soon as i said i wanted to x-fer they asked me if it had to do with CHSD i told them yes, he said they have done nothing wrong and I should not have to worry, I followed up by saying ok I would like to buy CSHD on line, He said they cant do that, I said ok X_FER my account *.* also FYI 7-10 days x-fer time
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Does that leave your shares in limbo , Walker??
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well I think I have done about all I can do. I know I have delivered word to at least 40 news agencies. I want this story in big bold lettering on every financial website in the country, if TDA is really short.

I maybe painting a sour picture of a single entity, but I will tell you right now I have lost money to hedgies, and shorty for so long. I too want to see this practice stopped.

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I wanted to bring a possible story to your attention.

A lot of press lately has been surrounding the legal practice of shorting and the illegal practice of naked short selling of small cap (small
business) stocks on the Over the Counter Trading Board (OTCBB).

Last night (Wed. September 13th, 2006) CEO of CSHD Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. made a very bold and public statement regarding the short selling of their company stock
by one of the largest Online Brokerage Firms TDAmeritrade. I have checked and all his allegations are true about the brokerage firm restricting
shareholders from buying stock in CSHD in particular. They call it a TDAmeritrade business decision, and that they are protecting their customers.
When in reality they could be trying to cover their own large short position of CSHD at the expense of their customers.

Here is a link to the statement:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060913/clw098.html?.v=1

Interestingly enough no major new outlets have picked up on this story, and if TDAmeritrade is in fact short in this company by 60 million shares it
will bankrupt this large brokerage firm and strand all of their customers.

FYI,
XXXXX XXXXXXXXXX
Concerned CSHD Shareholder
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=132126

Read this!!

TDA SUCKS!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
they (TDA) we try to SCREW you out of your shares!! Read that link how they do it!!
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
That outta do it Tax!!

If I lose all my money, and you caused it, can I move in to your house???/ I'm a great cook, and really handy around the house for fixen stuff...
 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
we've all lost lots of $$$$ to NS and I think it would be a huge win for the little guys if Rufus pulls this off. I just hope it doesn't come back on him!
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
OK...When you convert to certs, What is the time out, and how difficult is it to sell..??
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Rufus isn't in the "wrong" he's the one shining the LIGHT into a very DARK place ~
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
That outta do it Tax!!

If I lose all my money, and you caused it, can I move in to your house???/ I'm a great cook, and really handy around the house for fixen stuff...

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Yeah, like I will have a house at that point! Your more than welcome to share my cardboard box.
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=132126

Read this!!

TDA SUCKS!

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
That outta do it Tax!!

If I lose all my money, and you caused it, can I move in to your house???/ I'm a great cook, and really handy around the house for fixen stuff...

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Yeah, like I will have a house at that point! Your more than welcome to share my cardboard box.

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=132126

Read this!!

TDA SUCKS!

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I was tryin to remember the stock that they halted purchases on... thats it...PLNI...Did not know about the liquidation Bull Chit...Kinda freaky....

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
That outta do it Tax!!

If I lose all my money, and you caused it, can I move in to your house???/ I'm a great cook, and really handy around the house for fixen stuff...

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Yeah, like I will have a house at that point! Your more than welcome to share my cardboard box.

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
OK...When you convert to certs, What is the time out, and how difficult is it to sell..??

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Not sure about the time out thing, but you can sell them as soon as you send them back to your broker. When they recieve your paper certs they notify you and you are then able to sell them on the open market.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
FYI? PLNI has filed:
9/8/2006 Form Type: 10KSB
As of December 31, 2005, there were 3,727,740,100 common shares outstanding. The closing price of the Company’s common stock as of December 30, 2005 was $0.0044.

i wouldn't have even mentioned that stock in this thread...
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=132126

TDA has screwed others! Yes it was PNLI, read all about it above link.

People with a TDA account =ALERT=
"HIGH DANGER!!!"

Transfer out of there! TDA isn't going to take the fall, YOU WILL!
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
who are you using chart.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Scottrade mostly, Optionxpress too.

Checking to see if those could get screwed with too somehow.....

BIG $$$ on the line here, protect it or loss it.
 

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Posted by luvforever on :
 
huh? I take a nap and you guys hide from me??~ LOL Its too slow I want more action, don't we all? LOL maybe in 2 weeks it'll be the most action of all times!! glta Your it!! I found you!
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Ok general consensus. Which online brokerage is the best for trading pennies?
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
Ok general consensus. Which online brokerage is the best for trading pennies?

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I don't even have Choicetrade, but I will say Choicetrade.

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Posted by luvforever on :
 
going up?
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

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Originally posted by RichBy26:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
OK...When you convert to certs, What is the time out, and how difficult is it to sell..??

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Not sure about the time out thing, but you can sell them as soon as you send them back to your broker. When they recieve your paper certs they notify you and you are then able to sell them on the open market.

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
the thing I like about TDA is that I'm an APEX member for free. So I get all the bells ans whistles. What platform level at choicetrade do you have 10

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Originally posted by 10of13:
LOL???
Time to start using them...

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I don't even have Choicetrade, but I will say Choicetrade.

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I will just haven't opened the account yet. I have *etrade with "extra special" account rules. I was originally with some small brokerage named TradeStreet or something. the rules were loose and the platform was really modern back then... it was Java and everything. Anyway *etrade bought them but must have made some deal to keep some of the account rules, because I now have an ultra loose ruled *etrade account. If that makes any since to you at all.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
good point 10. The trades for me are 10 bucks a pop

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
F- this....

I'll see ya all later!!

10!!

Throw a rock at my house if anything breaks loose!!

Buh-Bye now!!!

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
nothing in like 12 min

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AWWWW!!

Your Pimp is gunna be maaaaddddd!!!!
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
So I don't know where this 60 million short data is coming from.


from HSM just like Rufus says in the PR...


Some Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. supporters have shared their thoughts and feelings on the forum http://www.**************.com, many of whom vow to press litigation against TD Ameritrade for not allowing them to purchase more CSHD stock. This stock has been on regulation SHO for 25 consecutive days and it has been confirmed that it has been "Shorted" by an objective "Third Party." To peruse this information please visit http://www.**********, they assert, "the 'Shorting' is over...16,000,000 shares with others estimating the 'Shorting' to be as high as 60,000,000
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Here is a informational site:

http://www.aaii.com/commentary/articles/200604_stockstrategies2.cfm
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
he's always made I'm lazy
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Nice find new2...
TDA holders better fav place that! ha ~
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:


This is big, big enough to BUST TDA,... -which I don't think will happen cause they'll screw you first! "Nice"

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Originally posted by glassman:
So I don't know where this 60 million short data is coming from.


from HSM just like Rufus says in the PR...


Some Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. supporters have shared their thoughts and feelings on the forum http://www.**************.com, many of whom vow to press litigation against TD Ameritrade for not allowing them to purchase more CSHD stock. This stock has been on regulation SHO for 25 consecutive days and it has been confirmed that it has been "Shorted" by an objective "Third Party." To peruse this information please visit http://www.**********, they assert, "the 'Shorting' is over...16,000,000 shares with others estimating the 'Shorting' to be as high as 60,000,000

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
Here is a informational site:

http://www.aaii.com/commentary/articles/200604_stockstrategies2.cfm

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Actually at

Buy ins dot net

they count how many shares are shorted... That is what they do ~

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Originally posted by glassman:
All we have is the Rufus estimate is my point.... so I don't wanna get all bent out of shape with that 60 mill number if it is not fact.

yeah, and we have him plainly saying it is rumor...

some of you guys have the bit in your mouth and you are running away with this story...

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Originally posted by Livinonklendathu:
10 if I remember right she was sent to http://www.sipc.org/

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Originally posted by dog:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Actually at

Buy ins dot net

they count how many shares are shorted... That is what they do ~

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OK cool..I'll check it out.

Not meaning to contradict Chart... just chasing down info that others are claiming to be fact...

important decisions to be made today.

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I think you will find the buyins number to be about 16 million. I am more interested in seeing what that NOBO report stated.

Only Rufas has that at this point in time. If he got the report and it stated TDAmeritrade or NITE holding 60 million shares. He could have been putting the rumor out there knowing the truth.
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Takes 6 to 8 weeks....

shoulda done it along time ago...

Also, I really doubt that this will take TDAm out of the show..

There will be enough profit taken when this runs for them to cover...

It may hurt a little, but they will survive..
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
BUY INS .NET has built a massive database that collects, analyzes and publishes a proprietary SqueezeTrigger price for each stock that has been shorted. The SqueezeTrigger database of nearly 800,000,000 short sale transactions goes back to January 1, 2005 and calculates the exact price at which the Total Short Interest is short in each stock. This data was never before available prior to January 1, 2005 because the Self Regulatory Organizations (primary exchanges) guarded it aggressively. After the SEC passed Regulation SHO, exchanges were forced to allow data processors like ********** to access the data.

The SqueezeTrigger database collects individual short trade data on over 7,000 NYSE, AMEX and NASDAQ stocks and general short trade data on nearly 8,000 OTCBB and PINKSHEET stocks. Each month the database grows by approximately 50,000,000 short sale transactions and provides investors with the knowledge necessary to time when to buy and sell stocks with outstanding short positions. By tracking the size and price of each month's short transactions, BUY INS .NET provides institutions, traders, analysts, journalists and individual investors the exact price point where short sellers start losing money and a short squeeze can begin. Users can search up to 10 stocks per month for only $9.95. Additional searches are only $1.00 per stock.
 

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Posted by lostone on :
 
anyone here with TDA requesting their certs, let me know, i'll jump on the bandwagon.. i just don't want to be caught with certs in hand and won't be able to sell in time during run.. but the fear of TDA liquidating me is just as much a concern.
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
I agree rat. I just wish I never changed my account to a margin account before all this happened. I did that so I didn't have to wait the three days to trade.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Here is the thing Rufas aimed that PR at TDAM. He named 16 million short from buyins.com then he through out a 60 Million number that no one has heard before and FHAL's OS.

If TDAM executives read the news, and then go do an internal audit and see this crazy 60 million number. Then Rufas's message got through.

It is genius... or madness.
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
They will have to give an op. to convert to certs... they can't just sell you out without a heads - up!!

If they start pullin that chit, they will go out of buisness...
 

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Posted by plni on :
 
river rat you are correct'of course they will make out.they are just sitting there waiting for it to go up to help recoop some of there loss. I will be suprised if they respond at all.They are the ones with the power.
 

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Posted by casviper on :
 
I thought having a cert, while it shows you own the stock, is harder to get rid of if your trying to sell. You have to sign the back of the cert, go to your brockage firm give it to them and they will buy it at the current price. The only problem is that this takes time and the price could have fallen.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Cash or margin...shouldn't matter...if the 3 days from purchasing has passed...
Anyone know any different?

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
I agree rat. I just wish I never changed my account to a margin account before all this happened. I did that so I didn't have to wait the three days to trade.

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
10 with a margin account you don't have to wait the three days for your cash to clear. I did it because it kind of untied my hands on making several quick moves in a short time frame.

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
your account protected up to $500,000. For details, please see www.sipc.org.

Up to an aggregate of $250 million of additional securities protection, of which $900,000 may be applied to cash, is provided by London insurers

Didn't Rufas point out 680 million as minimum. And if they close there doors what about all the other traders who aren't in CSHD? 680 million will burn through that like a hot knife through butter.

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Originally posted by Livinonklendathu:
CSHD on Buyins shows this when trying to get a trigger report:

"We have not assembled enough data to provide you with an adequate report, hence the reason you are seeing this message. Your account has not been charged."

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Is it because of the time frame of the new ticker symbol?

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Originally posted by Livinonklendathu:
CSHD on Buyins shows this when trying to get a trigger report:

"We have not assembled enough data to provide you with an adequate report, hence the reason you are seeing this message. Your account has not been charged."

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Originally posted by glassman:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
your account protected up to $500,000. For details, please see www.sipc.org.

Up to an aggregate of $250 million of additional securities protection, of which $900,000 may be applied to cash, is provided by London insurers

Didn't Rufas point out 680 million as minimum. And if they close there doors what about all the other traders who aren't in CSHD? 680 million will burn through that like a hot knife through butter.

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i don't know how to say this any more clearly...

you are getting way ahead of the DD here...

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OK... I will slow down and back up. Where do we start? because I am just pulling from a PR from CSHD, and a post including info copied from the TDA FAQ page.

If what your saying is that it is premature to say TDA is closing it's door. You are absolutely right. If you are saying that it is too early to say TDA is in trouble. I disagree. Speculation even a bit wild is bad unless it is used as a path to guide DD.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Try to look on the VERY BRIGHT side.

Rufus must be for REAL to have done this!

NO two ways about that!!! IMO!

TDA is going to put the crosshairs on him!!
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Good afternoon all!
Just woke up from a long nap and am bummed we don't have anything better here yet
Patience is a vurtue I guess. Rufus our great teacher has been teaching us a lesson in pateince I guess.
LOL
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
If what your saying is that it is premature to say TDA is closing it's door. You are absolutely right.

OK.. good, now? i want you to stop and think about how these guys (MM's, brokers) get shares... who has them in large quantity?

hey IMA... sljb woke up again anyway huh?
 

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Posted by portman on :
 
I spoke to choicetrade a bit ago.

A Partial transfer (not closing the account) should take 3 business days to transfer.

If you file it today you should have your shares to choicetrade by Tuesday. Too late to count today.

I also spoke to TDA. They were very nice. They said TDA will be responding with a PR today (getting a bit late). TDA would not provide written guaranty that I would be able to sell or that they would not cancel my shares.

If I miss a big run I am not going to worry because part of something is better than all of nothing.

I have half my position in TDA and half in Choicetrade already. Just moving everything to CT.
 

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Posted by Livinonklendathu on :
 

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Is it because of the time frame of the new ticker symbol?

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Originally posted by Livinonklendathu:
CSHD on Buyins shows this when trying to get a trigger report:

"We have not assembled enough data to provide you with an adequate report, hence the reason you are seeing this message. Your account has not been charged."

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Could be - I would expect it to be updated soon though - probably around the time of the next short report this month.
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://www.knight.com/ourLiquidity/index.asp
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
TDA would not provide written guaranty that I would be able to sell or that they would not cancel my shares.

AMTD says they may not honor your shares?
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
Are we sure about the 3 day period and margin account stuff? I haven't found anything concrete on the subject from TDA, but I'm still looking.

This is from new2stocks link http://www.aaii.com/commentary/articles/200604_stockstrategies2.cfm
The rub comes when a customer’s securities are held in a “margin” account. When you open a margin account, you agree that securities you place in the account as collateral may be loaned to other broker/dealers. Securities are usually loaned to other broker/dealers for delivery by their customer accounts to settle a short sale.
 

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Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
Jesus Christmas, I'm glad I have my shares through my Uncle Chuck Schwabie. By the way I called Chuck just to find out if there are any concerns with CSHD. The guy laughed and said apparently only if you're Ameri___.

I was stunned that they even knew what was going on, here. People, this is getting around the investing community which interests me. They assured me I can buy and sell my shares whenever I wanted to.
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
Heard back from TDA on disabling the margin account...it can be done, but it will take 3-5 days and any trades during that time my extend the period.

Doesn't seem like too much of a hassle. I just wonder if having CSHD in my account will delay it even further.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Filing Date: 8/9/2006 Form Type: 10-Q
KNIGHT CAPITAL GROUP, INC.
FORM 10-Q QUARTERLY REPORT
For the Quarter Ended: June 30, 2006

Total revenues :204,621,217
Liabilities and Stockholders’ Equity
Liabilities
Securities sold, not yet purchased, at market value
$ 530,558,649

Securities sold, not yet purchased, at market value? thats SHORTED...

530 million dollars worth? sheesh... BTW? that is up from 345 million$ worth this quarter last year (05)

see bottom of page 4 here:

http://secfilings.nasdaq.com/filingFrameset.asp?FileName=0001193125%2D06%2D16684 2%2Etxt&FilePath=%5C2006%5C08%5C09%5C&CoName=KNIGHT+CAPITAL+GROUP%2C+INC%2E&Form Type=10%2DQ&RcvdDate=8%2F9%2F2006&pdf=
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
did i miss anything?

btw, who are the TDAm "SUBS"?

"TD Ameritrade (and their subsidiaries)" Rufus says...
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
We're all wondering what you're going to do about your TDA account...especially those of us with the same.

Come on, wise one...lead us to the answers .
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
If what your saying is that it is premature to say TDA is closing it's door. You are absolutely right.

OK.. good, now? i want you to stop and think about how these guys (MM's, brokers) get shares... who has them in large quantity?

hey IMA... sljb woke up again anyway huh?

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
"Should you fail to take action and TD Ameritrade liquidates your PLNI shares, you may, depending on what price you purchased PLNI shares at and what price TD Ameritrade liquidates the shares at, take a loss in your position."

From that link...

In other words can you imagine you had $10,000.00 in this and then TDA sold them then suddenly you have ZERO!... Or maybe you owe them!!??
I wonder, cause they might charge you the commission!!!

They did this with PLNI, watch your butts people with TDA accounts!

This is big, big enough to BUST TDA,... -which I don't think will happen cause they'll screw you first! "Nice"

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Originally posted by glassman:
TDA would not provide written guaranty that I would be able to sell or that they would not cancel my shares.

AMTD says they may not honor your shares?

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Glass,

That appears to be the repsonse...But with TDA CSRs your milage may vary.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
So Ameritrade may not be the "big shorter" but Knight may have some splainin' ?!

Ameritrade may very well be a "middle man"...and by stopping the "buying" of CSHD...they were stopping the chance of getting in deeper?
 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
good post chart, those of us who have traded pinks and OTCs know just how much of the market they have down here. My concern is if we move to the NASD they still have their hands in that cookie jar too, hope they take their licks and move on, and not try to retort by NS this again!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Wally, yep, saw that...

This stock has been on regulation SHO for 25 consecutive days and it has been confirmed that it has been "Shorted" by an objective "Third Party." To peruse this information please visit http://www. buy ins .net, they assert, "the 'Shorting' is over...16,000,000 shares with others estimating the 'Shorting' to be as high as 60,000,000."
 

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Posted by trade2win on :
 
Just called TDA, he told me that cshd qualifies for electronic transfer of shares so if we chose to transfer the stock, it could be done in ~ 48 hrs after you fill out the partial transfer form which needs a Medallion signature guarantee though!

Also partial transfer rule is that you need to leave atleast 10 shares or 200$ in the account.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Sounds like MANY people have talked with Rufus about the short amount.. He says "they" (buyins) give over 16 million, then he goes on to say, "others" [-plural, more then one...] Est. it to be as high as 60 mill.
 

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Posted by portman on :
 
Speculating animal that I am...

I feel this is an MM issue and not a TDA issue.

I am not going to make a descision to move shares until tomorrow.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
But doesn't TDA "hire" that MM, so aren't they libel?...

Bet some heated phone calls have been going on!
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I agree with you portman, and glassman. NITE is most likely the one who is short, but I am not going to say TDA is out of this by a long shot. When the buck gets passed it is going to go from NITE, to TDA, to the shareholder.

As chart so eloquently presented above. NITE is big and they are big for a reason. If TDA is into NITE for several million shorts. NITE will move on them quicker than the IRS. Somebody had better start covering, or someone is gonna be really upset.
 

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Posted by Dreamer0708 on :
 
This is such a mess with TDA... i have a cash account with them and i own CSHD, i dont know what to do yet though i have printed out my buys confirmation and statement just incase.

im thinking of a partial transfer but i wanted to hear from someone who uses Scottrade and their services. any advice ?

i have to run though because i need to go to work, i'll check back tonite and Thank You in advance.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
IMO...for future...it may be wise for all to have 2 brokers to use...few people will put all their money into 1 stock..why put all your money with 1 broker?
Just MO...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
But doesn't TDA "hire" that MM, so aren't they libel?...

Bet some heated phone calls have been going on!

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quote:

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Originally posted by Dreamer0708:
This is such a mess with TDA... i have a cash account with them and i own CSHD, i dont know what to do yet though i have printed out my buys confirmation and statement just incase.

im thinking of a partial transfer but i wanted to hear from someone who uses Scottrade and their services. any advice ?

i have to run though because i need to go to work, i'll check back tonite and Thank You in advance.

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I use Scottrade, and I have been happy. You will pay 1/2% of principal on the pennies, but it isn't that much, and to me, the service is worth it. I also have signed up for Choicetrade, FWIW...
 

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Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
So where are any filings?????? Expected something to be filed today at the least. Oh well, seems this will drag and drag out!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
glass.. If I hire someone to do a job and it gets screwed up the one paying for that work will not go after that employee, but the guy who hired him.

That was my question... TDA WOULD BE "libel."

-and I'm very calm, don't have anything in TDA

I'm just digging up DD and trying to help out my fellow peeps make an informed decision on what to do.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
But doesn't TDA "hire" that MM, so aren't they libel?...

Bet some heated phone calls have been going on!

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libel for what?

calm down some...

moving your shares MAY be agood idea, but you NEED to ABSOLUTELY be sure to calmly do this stuff for all the CORRECT reasons...

60 million short is a rumor... 15 million short is unproved too... and yet it is still significant....

the sky is not falling... and i think it would be bad business for CSHD to be "completely uncooperative" with MM's or AMTD if they are short....

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
Wow... would you at least admit 2.4 million is reported. If you or anyone could prove the 16 or 60 you'd be rich. you know how many companies would love to have proven how much their stock has been shorted? Ask buyins.com they made a business out of guessing obviously.

you aren't hearing what i'm saying...
this is business... it's still negotiable...
pressure is being applied...

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glass you're losing me...

yes it iIS business, that's why it's NOT negotiable, those shares HAVE TO be covered.

so sorry, --what are you getting at?..
 

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Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
I don't think TDA will be receiving a JD Power Award this year either.

Rumor has it that TDA was solely responsible for the JPHC-PAIV fiasco as well.


 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

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Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
I don't think TDA will be receiving a JD Power Award this year either.

Rumor has it that TDA was solely responsible for the JPHC-PAIV fiasco as well.

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
Wow... would you at least admit 2.4 million is reported. If you or anyone could prove the 16 or 60 you'd be rich. you know how many companies would love to have proven how much their stock has been shorted? Ask buyins.com they made a business out of guessing obviously.

you aren't hearing what i'm saying...
this is business... it's still negotiable...
pressure is being applied...

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Absolutely agree. Power play. Look at the wording. Rufus uses other peoples numbers. He is not liable for their numbers but it sends a message loud and clear. IMO, He is attempting to force them into covering. Not once does he talk of legal action he is taking. He mentions shareholder taking legal action. All he did id report publically what has been reported to him. Looks like it lit a fire though.

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Now I am just wishing I would have taken the challenge of that poster yesterday and hacked the ADP site for the NOBO report.

Naw my kids would rather I stay on this side of the bars.

By the way newbies... that was sarchasm! LOL
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
oof. no news no announcement will be forthcoming right now...
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
what kind of "feel" did you get from them BB?...
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Gottcha finally glassman. I thought you were eluding to CSHD selling them shares direct a while ago, but still wondering why you did not say it.

Is it because it would kill the glorious squeeze play? You think that might spark even more emotion on this thread?

You are probably right.

Anyway you don't have to say it... I just did. Someone call the TA! make sure the CSHD board didn't give TDA a bunch of slips to cover.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Power play..Rufas is one smart cookie....and I just gotta believe that with all that has happened..this has been planned for quite some time...and HE is in control

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
Wow... would you at least admit 2.4 million is reported. If you or anyone could prove the 16 or 60 you'd be rich. you know how many companies would love to have proven how much their stock has been shorted? Ask buyins.com they made a business out of guessing obviously.

you aren't hearing what i'm saying...
this is business... it's still negotiable...
pressure is being applied...

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Absolutely agree. Power play. Look at the wording. Rufus uses other peoples numbers. He is not liable for their numbers but it sends a message loud and clear. IMO, He is attempting to force them into covering. Not once does he talk of legal action he is taking. He mentions shareholder taking legal action. All he did id report publically what has been reported to him. Looks like it lit a fire though.

GLTA
Wally

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quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Gottcha finally glassman. I thought you were eluding to CSHD selling them shares direct a while ago, but still wondering why you did not say it.

Is it because it would kill the glorious squeeze play? You think that might spark even more emotion on this thread?

You are probably right.

Anyway you don't have to say it... I just did. Someone call the TA! make sure the CSHD board didn't give TDA a bunch of slips to cover.

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quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Power play..Rufas is one smart cookie....and I just gotta believe that with all that has happened..this has been planned for quite some time...and HE is in control

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
Wow... would you at least admit 2.4 million is reported. If you or anyone could prove the 16 or 60 you'd be rich. you know how many companies would love to have proven how much their stock has been shorted? Ask buyins.com they made a business out of guessing obviously.

you aren't hearing what i'm saying...
this is business... it's still negotiable...
pressure is being applied...

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Absolutely agree. Power play. Look at the wording. Rufus uses other peoples numbers. He is not liable for their numbers but it sends a message loud and clear. IMO, He is attempting to force them into covering. Not once does he talk of legal action he is taking. He mentions shareholder taking legal action. All he did id report publically what has been reported to him. Looks like it lit a fire though.

GLTA
Wally

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
btw...
most of that info I posted was from a link that New2stocks posted.

Nice job New2!!!!!

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I read new2's post... I just didn't really read it. I guess.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
yeah, it was pretty good... That's why I thought I'd mention it
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
The TDAm guy is like wow- you've called in a lot. You knew about the 'no opening transactions' rule before i did...

while i was speaking to the rep he became very quiet - he had just received an update.

he says that TDA has told them, the cust svc reps, that they will receive a copy of the "official response" before it goes public so that it can be read over the phone to clients who are calling in.

so my rep thought he had received that response, but it wasnt...
he sounded really disappointed and upset actually...
he said the cust svc reps are taking a beating and he doesnt understand why the company isnt responding-
the latest "update" simply rehashed the reasons why TDA says that Rufus's claims are impossible. he read them all to me - same ol same ol.

ie:
TDA has no existing short positions at this time
TDA's policies make it impossible for them to have short positions in otcbb stocks
and they mention that on Sept 8th TDA made a "business decision" to suspend opening transactions of CSHD


my feeling?
Rufus threw out speculation that he heard about possible numbers/shorts/etc
which caused stockholders to pressure TDAm
who isnt responsible because they are just middle men
so TDAm passes the buck and applies pressure to whomever did create this fiasco

and eventually, i believe, the appropriate person is going to have to make a correction. because the buck isnt gonna stop til that person is found and made liable for making everyone else look bad.
we may never find out who that person/company is, but i think we will know when it is corrected cuz the pps will go up.


no, i will not be leaving ameritrade. i think they are being made an example of because they are so big & have a legit reputation... that power is needed to make the point and force the correction. Rufus picking on a small brokerage wouldnt have the same impact.
I think TDAm walked right into Rufus's soap opera.

and yes, glass, i agree with your line of thinking and i believe that rufus has those 'correction-needed' shares ready and waiting, for the right price. i think he is prepared to bail out the culpable party... at the right price

as far as rufus's claims of 21/40/54/etc dollars pps at the reset? well that will remain to be seen, and he clearly says the 10K is due on Sept 30th in that last PR. the reset is a different issue entirely.

regardless of the reset i do think we will see some kind of increase in pps, so im holding.

and watching rufus play his game. i think he has a strategy... this doesnt feel like he is throwing PRs out there ad hoc.
Releasing a PR at midnight is calculated.

~BB
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
I believed then and still believe that payback has always been part of the agenda.

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quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
oof. no news no announcement will be forthcoming right now...

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
But doesn't TDA "hire" that MM, so aren't they libel?...

Bet some heated phone calls have been going on!

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libel for what?

calm down some...

moving your shares MAY be agood idea, but you NEED to ABSOLUTELY be sure to calmly do this stuff for all the CORRECT reasons...

60 million short is a rumor... 15 million short is unproved too... and yet it is still significant....

the sky is not falling... and i think it would be bad business for CSHD to be "completely uncooperative" with MM's or AMTD if they are short....

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quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
I believed then and still believe that payback has always been part of the agenda.

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If that is the case he would continue the squeeze and not give them an easy out. I think what glassman is eluding too is a "pressure releiver". Letting those listed in the NOBO know he is watching them, and if they want shares bad enough he has some.

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Are we talking about the shares in "The Trust"

Can Rufus even touch them?...
I'm sure he would have to file for that, but I don't see that happening.

I think it has to do with Nite, and his relationship with TDA, and who's libel personally...
 

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Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
......"TDA's policies make it impossible for them to have short positions in otcbb stocks".....

Ya right, tell that to the people who were able to trade their RESTRICTED PAIV shares which were not even distributed by the TA after the merger conversion.

TDA is so full of chit.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I am turning a corner because of "Ockham's razor", I believe glassman has converted my entire days thoughts because his solution is more simple and direct than the messy squeeze play.

NITE or TDA needs shares, Rufas wants to make sure they have shares so it is easier to maintain his reset price after the reset.

Giving them an easy out right now in exchange for support, just may give him what he needs and what they need.

Thanks Glassman... you really are half full.
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
*baited breath*

yes Tax? They....
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
OK...

i think i covered what the bashers can use for tonight..you know what to expect..


i agree that AMTD is full of it for restricting trading...
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
......"TDA's policies make it impossible for them to have short positions in otcbb stocks".....

That might just be a "play" on words...

Remember when I went all over the world looking for a place to SHORT a penny stock and couldn't find one? [can be done but is SO not worth it!!]

So the above statement is true...

"BUT"

We are talking about NAKED SHORTING... Selling that which you DO NOT HAVE.

So that BS that they are handing out doesn't cut it ~

Personally, I won't let ANYONE tell me what I can do or not do with my money that anyone else can do!
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I haven't had any problems with choice...or ran accross any policy that I disagreed with...

quote:

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Originally posted by Hannibull:
Well I tried buying more right before the close and I got this error saying I'm not allowed to open a position in this, I thought it was just a myth but it's true. Since when do they decide which stocks I can or can't buy? I think I'll decide what I do with my money thank-you-very-much!

Bye TDA, I'm looking out for other brokers pffffft. Does Choicetrade have the same policy?

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
yes Chart, hence the frustration of the cust svc rep i spoke to...

i said to him "you realize your company is playing you"

theyre feeding their employees corporate garbage and turning them to the wolves (thatd be us )
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
I have a concern... not sure if it's a major one.

After all my buys and sells with Scottrade, NITE is the one that executes them. Should I be concerned that they will be jerking around post re-set by slowing down my sells so the PPS falls more?

Can they screw with my trading because Scottrade uses NITE?
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Chart - No not the trust shares... but if anyone can make more slips it is the CSHD BOD.
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by dog:
I have a concern... not sure if it's a major one.

After all my buys and sells with Scottrade, NITE is the one that executes them. Should I be concerned that they will be jerking around post re-set by slowing down my sells so the PPS falls more?

Can they screw with my trading because Scottrade uses NITE?

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quote:

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Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
......"TDA's policies make it impossible for them to have short positions in otcbb stocks".....

Ya right, tell that to the people who were able to trade their RESTRICTED PAIV shares which were not even distributed by the TA after the merger conversion.

TDA is so full of chit.

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quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Chart - No not the trust shares... but if anyone can make more slips it is the CSHD BOD.

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quote:

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Originally posted by SherriT:

quote:

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Originally posted by dog:
I have a concern... not sure if it's a major one.

After all my buys and sells with Scottrade, NITE is the one that executes them. Should I be concerned that they will be jerking around post re-set by slowing down my sells so the PPS falls more?

Can they screw with my trading because Scottrade uses NITE?

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Don't like that you went there, dog. I know several of us use Scotty...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Chart - No not the trust shares... but if anyone can make more slips it is the CSHD BOD.

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dilute then?...

no I don't see that happening...

IF that is what you mean...

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quote:

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Originally posted by dog:

quote:

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Originally posted by SherriT:

quote:

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Originally posted by dog:
I have a concern... not sure if it's a major one.

After all my buys and sells with Scottrade, NITE is the one that executes them. Should I be concerned that they will be jerking around post re-set by slowing down my sells so the PPS falls more?

Can they screw with my trading because Scottrade uses NITE?

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Don't like that you went there, dog. I know several of us use Scotty...

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It is an unfortunate truth that I've had in the back of my mind.... I've been traded around for all of my buys.... sells go thru fine... buys take forever. I tested it out many times.

NITE is Scotty's boy too... and it's a little fishy to me.

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quote:

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Originally posted by imapoorcollegestudent:
Okay I just spent a bunch of time ggoing through old threads but couldn't find what I was looking for.
The Pr that came out on Aug 20th about Rufus's award: I think I remember someone stating Tom Reynold's involvement in combating market maniputatlion or illegeall something in the markets (maybe shorting). Could any of htis have anything to do with the letter to AMTD????
Anybody???

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quote:

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Originally posted by imapoorcollegestudent:
YEah 10, I must not have asked correctly. My question is could CVSU's conection with Tom Reynolds and other Big shots have anything to do with this AMTD PR in an effort to combat illegal activity in the markets???

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quote:

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Originally posted by imapoorcollegestudent:
I guess whatever will be will be...
I'm keepin my eyes on the wires
Real suprised we haven't seen any majior realese from AMTD yet.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
hmmmm....

Now the lights are coming on.

Well, I guess either way we win right? Whether they are forced to cover (price run up) or if we strike a deal (stable reset price).

I'm good with that ~

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quote:

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Originally posted by dog:
I called Integrity Stock Transfer.

Telephone: (702) 317-7757
Toll Free: (877) 317-7757
Fax: (702) 796-5650
E-mail: stock*integritynevada.net
Mail: 2920 N. Green Valley Parkway
Building 5 - Suite 527
Henderson, NV 89014

I talked with the person who picked up the phone and he stated that the transfer agent has no access to short data that "goes on inside the brokerage houses," and that they have a company policy not to give out any info over the phone. "I can't help you."

So I don't know where this 60 million short data is coming from.

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quote:

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Originally posted by dog:
Yes I called TA today... absolutely not giving any info...another trader I know personally did the same and was given same line.

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quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
this is from the PR last night...AND this could very well be what the TA is referring to as "misinterpitaion" of the infromation:
the Company has 62,000,000 shares outstanding,

It "was" 97.2m with a float of 29m...perhaps the Information that was "obtained" is that there are still 60m in "un accounted" shares...meaning?...not all of the CVSU shares have been accounted for? I am speculating here...and nothing more...



Currently, the Company has 62,000,000 shares outstanding, and simple calculations would assess a current book value for this company, as of today, at approximately $41.93 per share. Then the sum, when multiplied by a minimum of 16,000,000 shares shorted, comes to minimum of $670,880,000. A market analyst concludes this stock may be conservatively valuated at 2x its book value ($1,341,760,000) or put another way, about 4 times greater than TD Ameritrade's last year's net profit

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
10, boy I would find that hard to believe, I mean he's all over this thing...

-but interesting none the same.
Don't see a Red flag, do you?...

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quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
How many shares was "CVSU" suppose to "bring to the table"? Does anyone remember?
And no, no red flag...

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
10, boy I would find that hard to believe, I mean he's all over this thing...

-but interesting none the same.
Don't see a Red flag, do you?...

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
i think Rufus was going on published data in his PR...

the TA maybe shouldn't have given the new share numbers until after the merger was complete? which was last night? who knows except the TA?

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Posted by Peaser on :
 
Now are the preferred shares in a different company? Or do they count something like 100 or 1000 CVSU Class A shares per 1 preferred share?

Anyone know, so I don't have to look it up?
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
20,000,000 shares of preferred stock, $5 par value per share, of which there are no shares issued and outstanding

no prefered share issued... or outstanding your welcome
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Peaser:
Now are the preferred shares in a different company? Or do they count something like 100 CVSU Class A shares per 1 preferred share?

Anyone know, so I don't have to look it up?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Peaser:
Thanks. I'm going to bed.

Can't keep my eyes open.

What will the A/S be on the new company?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Peaser:
Just got back home a little while ago.

Any news from Ameritrade yet?

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I guess not

LOL


peaser i think this board won the war, that is what they say


LOL
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
peaser i think this board won the war, that is what they say

they?

even at ihub the negative talk is way down.. the administrator went to work over there with an axe...

i don't think the war is over yet...
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
i am not saying nothing negative here GLASS..

I answer to PEASER question..
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i didn't think you were dollar... Peaser wasn't being negative... you wanna see negative? i saw death threats over at ihub about ten days-two weeks ago..
i guess i misunderstood..
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
As I have stated in the past, There is much more than meets the eye here. Heck if I really started speculating I could write a novel long enough to challenge the length of some of Stephen King's novels. So I won't. I will say that previously the TA was stating that the 92M O/S included some of the CVSU shares. This always bothered me because how can any of the cvsu shares be included before they have been registered. Somebody, Glass or anyone else, if I'm wrong but those shares need to be included in an SB4 before they can become CSHD. When the TA stated that the O/S was 92M I always thought it was because of the cleaning up of the Fronthaul shell. Rufus did talk about the fact that they were trying to figure out who actually was owed shares and who wasn't and this was very early on. What many don't consider is that the FHAL shell was much worse off than anyone thought. Remember the log deal that turned out to be a bunch of BS? The additional time that has been expended here has been to get the FHAL house in order.

I do know one thing. when the symbol chage occurred Scottrade would not allow me to trade those shares online. I called in and they told me I could sell if I wanted to through a broker at the internet rate but that I would be responsible if there were any problems. In talking with them I decided it wasn't worth the risk. They gave me the option. Yet I had to wonder what shares were being traded those first few days. Scottrade was waiting to get the shares from the DTC so I don't believe any broker or MM had legitimate shares to trade at that time. TD Ameritrade was allowing customers to trade the shares ONLINE at the time. Is that what created this problem? Go back any look at the volume in those first few days and tell me what you think.

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
Darn it. I know better than to post when I'm drinking. that must be one of my longest posts ever on Allstocks. I should use the preview function before posting.

SORRY.

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
i didn't think you were dollar... Peaser wasn't being negative... you wanna see negative? i saw death threats over at ihub about ten days-two weeks ago..
i guess i misunderstood..

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quote:

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Originally posted by dollar13:

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
i didn't think you were dollar... Peaser wasn't being negative... you wanna see negative? i saw death threats over at ihub about ten days-two weeks ago..
i guess i misunderstood..

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GLASS why pps still at the same price than yesterday "if shorts have to cover "

do you think they did cover it today with that volume?

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quote:

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Originally posted by GreenDay:
"""" According to what the current rumor is nothing will happen until the 30th. """


Wally - I missed that rumor..what's that about? was something said that is leading us to believe it won't happen next week??

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quote:

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Originally posted by portman:

quote:

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Originally posted by GreenDay:
"""" According to what the current rumor is nothing will happen until the 30th. """


Wally - I missed that rumor..what's that about? was something said that is leading us to believe it won't happen next week??

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Green, I think people are inferring it from the last PR.

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quote:

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Originally posted by dollar13:
RUMORS say too than the 10k could be out before sept 30 and then there is another filling before the RESET


Which one is it WALLY ?

you post it yesterday

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No read it and comprehend it. First a 10K then an SB4 filing, which will include a prospectus, then a reset. Reading and comprehending is a great thing.

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
roger that WALLY
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Wally? LOL..How many have you had?

Hey..the SB4? That doesn't HAVE to be filed BEFORE the "new" (CVSU) shares are added does it?
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Wally, you're a straight shooter...

"I gave ya 5 stars"

Nice to have you and others like you aboard ~

Chartwalker ~
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally? LOL..How many have you had?

Hey..the SB4? That doesn't HAVE to be filed BEFORE the "new" (CVSU) shares are added does it?

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quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally? LOL..How many have you had?

Hey..the SB4? That doesn't HAVE to be filed BEFORE the "new" (CVSU) shares are added does it?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Wally, you're a straight shooter...

"I gave ya 5 stars"

Nice to have you and others like you aboard ~

Chartwalker ~

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Thanks Chart. But my EX might tell you different. But hey I appreciate it anyway. I won't sugar coat anything. When I make a mistake I admit it. I don't know everything, in fact what I know can be measured in a thimble. The thing is I am willing to learn. Not just from my own mistakes but the mistakes of others. I will NEVER say I told you so. Counterproductive. Not my style.

Let's all win together

Wally

GLTA
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
Take it easy WALLY, we all are learning from you


 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 

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Originally posted by BooDog:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally? LOL..How many have you had?

Hey..the SB4? That doesn't HAVE to be filed BEFORE the "new" (CVSU) shares are added does it?

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I find my best picks with my friend jack...
hows that song go?
One Scotch, one bourbon....one beer....

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Nice. I find myself drinking with a group I would be happy to call friends. BUDweiser, Paul Mason and everyone and I mean EVERYONE on this board. It doesn't matter what your perspective is. We need the Ying and Yang to figure it all out.

Cheers
Wally
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
at least i am WALLY
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LOL Wally...
I can't seem to find any where "when" the S-4 filing must happen...you know ...Before, during or after they "issue" the shares...was looking for a site that would 'splain when it had to be filed...It was "slpiend to me that it needed to be filed but not really needed before hand...

And Boo...if you find your best picks with Jack...go grab him and start picking...let us know what ya find...
 

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Posted by Livinonklendathu on :
 

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally? LOL..How many have you had?

Hey..the SB4? That doesn't HAVE to be filed BEFORE the "new" (CVSU) shares are added does it?

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"FHAL and CVSU intend to file an S-4 registration statement / prospectus in connection with the proposed Merger for the registration of the CVSU share pursuant to the Merger agreement."

8K:

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/print_filings.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilename %3D0001297077%252D06%252D000045%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2006%255C07%255C12%255 C&symbol=
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
pursuant to the Merger agreement."

pursuant meaning shortly after i presume

so wally? whatcha pouring tonight?
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Livinon...
I know when the 8K said they would file the S-4
I am trying to find out if it is possible for any of the CVSU shares to have been converted yet...

I am looking for a link that tells the "rule" for time frame of filing an S-4...not just for this stock...the general rule...TIA
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:
pursuant to the Merger agreement."

pursuant meaning shortly after i presume

so wally? whatcha pouring tonight?

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quote:

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
we should start a seperate group for the people from the cshd board. After the cshd play is complete and move on to other round table stock discussions.

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Oh I bet we still play some together, we all picked this one didn't we?

-I'm a Jack & Coke man myself...
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
I guess the point I was trying to make is the fact that the shares from CVSU need to be registered. According to Rufus the=is was to take place in the form of a form SB4. regardless of that they do need to be registered in one form or another. I haven't seen the filing. Ergo, the CVSU shares are not yet added to the O/S. Just my opinion. I would love for anyone to show me I'm wrong and can therefore learn more. I love learning.

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
i'm glad you clarified that, i was worried you meant Paul Mason, the wine that comes in a BOX

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Along with My BUDweiser is a few shots of Paul Mason Brandy, Special edition.
GLTA
Wally

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

quote:

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
we should start a seperate group for the people from the cshd board. After the cshd play is complete and move on to other round table stock discussions.

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Oh I bet we still play some together, we all picked this one didn't we?

-I'm a Jack & Coke man myself...

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quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
i'm glad you clarified that, i was worried you meant Paul Mason, the wine that comes in a BOX

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Along with My BUDweiser is a few shots of Paul Mason Brandy, Special edition.
GLTA
Wally

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You are one of the people that I enjoy most on this thread. Not just because you are a beautiful confident self supporting woman with a sense of humor but because you do great DD. THANKS

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
WTF wally CALM DOWN
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
I only state facts. Have you read her posts and looked at her profile. I have. Some might call me a dirty old man, but only in my dreams could they prove it. Last I checked my dreams are still private. I respect her ability to DD a stock and would be glad to be a shareholder in any stock she is in. Hey, I respect Glass, Peaser and TEX but I'm not gay and i think 10 of 9 is hotter than 7 of 9 and I mean the character in Star Trek but that's a different story.

A little fun and fantasy never hurts anyone.

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 

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Originally posted by wallymac:
I only state facts. Have you read her posts and looked at her profile. I have. Some might call me a dirty old man, but only in my dreams could they prove it. Last I checked my dreams are still private. I respect her ability to DD a stock and would be glad to be a shareholder in any stock she is in. Hey, I respect Glass, Peaser and TEX but I'm not gay and i think 10 of 9 is hotter than 7 of 9 and I mean the character in Star Trek but that's a different story.

A little fun and fantasy never hurts anyone.

GLTA
Wally

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LMAO


TAKE IT EASY WITH THAT WINE
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
Okay. Babe or 10 , if I've offend you. Please say so and I will Cease and Desist. No lawyer need be involved or offical filing.

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Okay. Babe or 10 , if I've offend you. Please say so and I will Cease and Desist. No lawyer need be involved or offical filing.

GLTA
Wally

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They are doing what they can...


LMAO


no lawyers involved
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
well yeeehaw im signin off for the evening while im ahead and wally's still touting my virtues...

plus i think that alkeehol is gonna knock 'im out soon and i gotta be ready to jump into those dreams...
now where did i put those garters...


goodnight party people!
~BB
 

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Posted by usedtobeaCRab on :
 
reading all that to catch up was worth the garter visual, lol...thanks BB...

and nite all!
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
GLASS there is a SB4 FORM filing after the 10k?
 

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Posted by usedtobeaCRab on :
 
after reading this, which was graciously provided by 10, I wasn't able to find a date or "time frame" in which a S-4 had to be filed...

the only time frame listed in there is for the prospectus that is sent to the majority share holders twenty days prior to the vote regarding the merger itself...

no other set timeline is listed...
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 

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Originally posted by betting babe:
well yeeehaw im signin off for the evening while im ahead and wally's still touting my virtues...

plus i think that alkeehol is gonna knock 'im out soon and i gotta be ready to jump into those dreams...
now where did i put those garters...


goodnight party people!
~BB

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No official comment. See Ya in my drams. J/K or am I. That is the question.

Good night
Wally
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
No Wally...you didn't offend anyone...you're a great guy...Love reading your posts...wish I had been on here more tonight to get you going..

Have sweet dreams...maybe Both BB and I will meet up with you...

(BB? I'll bring the garter...)

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Okay. Babe or 10 , if I've offend you. Please say so and I will Cease and Desist. No lawyer need be involved or offical filing.

GLTA
Wally

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
FHAL's and FHAL intend to file with the SEC a S-4 registration statement / prospectus and other relevant materials in connection with the proposed acquisition of CVSU by FHAL pursuant to the terms of an Agreement and Plan of Merger by and among Conversion Solutions, Inc., and FHAL. The S-4 registration statement / prospectus and other relevant materials (when they become available), and any other documents filed by CVSU or FHAL with the SEC, may be obtained free of charge at the SEC's web site at www.sec.gov. In addition, investors and security holders may obtain free copies of the documents filed with the SEC by CVSU by contacting CVSU Investor Relations, Ben F Stanley, (317) 213-7700 or Chief Executive Officer, Rufus Paul Harris, (678) 255-7650. Investors and security holders may obtain free copies of the documents filed with the SEC by FHAL by contacting FHAL Chief Executive Officer, Rufus Paul Harris, (678) 255-7650. Investors and security holders of FHAL are urged to read the prospectus statement and the other relevant materials when they become available before making any investment decision with respect to the proposed merger.

I don't know about anyone else but I have yet to see this particular filing.

NOTE: "The S-4 registration statement / prospectus and other relevant materials"

registration is to register shares in the company. Whose shares are we talking about since FHAL shares were already registered?

If anyone has seen this registration statement please let me know.

" 4.16 REGISTRATION STATEMENT; Subject to the accuracy of the representations contained in Section 5.9 , the information supplied by the Company or its Subsidiaries for inclusion in the registration statement (the "Registration Statement" ) covering the shares of the Buyer's Stock to be issued pursuant to this Agreement shall not, at the time the Registration Statement (including any amendments or supplements thereto) is declared effective by the SEC, contain any untrue statement of a Material fact or omit to state any Material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading. The information supplied by or on behalf of the Company and its Subsidiaries for inclusion in the S-4 registration statement shall comply in all Material respects with the requirements of the Securities Laws and the rules and regulations there under applicable to the Company. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Company makes no representation or warranty with respect to any information supplied by the Buyer and its Subsidiaries that is contained or incorporated by reference in, or furnished in connection with the preparation of, the Registration Statement."

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/print_filings.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilename %3D0001297077%252D06%252D000045%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2006%255C07%255C12%255 C&symbol=CSHD
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
10of13 - I think Wally just had a heart attack. You can't just blurt out stuff like that this thread will go down hill real quick.
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 

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Originally posted by 10of13:
No Wally...you didn't offend anyone...you're a great guy...Love reading your posts...wish I had been on here more tonight to get you going..

Have sweet dreams...maybe Both BB and I will meet up with you...

(BB? I'll bring the garter...)

quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
Okay. Babe or 10 , if I've offend you. Please say so and I will Cease and Desist. No lawyer need be involved or offical filing.

GLTA
Wally

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quote:

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Originally posted by wallymac:
FHAL's and FHAL intend to file with the SEC a S-4 registration statement / prospectus and other relevant materials in connection with the proposed acquisition of CVSU by FHAL pursuant to the terms of an Agreement and Plan of Merger by and among Conversion Solutions, Inc., and FHAL. The S-4 registration statement / prospectus and other relevant materials (when they become available), and any other documents filed by CVSU or FHAL with the SEC, may be obtained free of charge at the SEC's web site at www.sec.gov. In addition, investors and security holders may obtain free copies of the documents filed with the SEC by CVSU by contacting CVSU Investor Relations, Ben F Stanley, (317) 213-7700 or Chief Executive Officer, Rufus Paul Harris, (678) 255-7650. Investors and security holders may obtain free copies of the documents filed with the SEC by FHAL by contacting FHAL Chief Executive Officer, Rufus Paul Harris, (678) 255-7650. Investors and security holders of FHAL are urged to read the prospectus statement and the other relevant materials when they become available before making any investment decision with respect to the proposed merger.

I don't know about anyone else but I have yet to see this particular filing.

NOTE: "The S-4 registration statement / prospectus and other relevant materials"

registration is to register shares in the company. Whose shares are we talking about since FHAL shares were already registered?

If anyone has seen this registration statement please let me know.

" 4.16 REGISTRATION STATEMENT; Subject to the accuracy of the representations contained in Section 5.9 , the information supplied by the Company or its Subsidiaries for inclusion in the registration statement (the "Registration Statement" ) covering the shares of the Buyer's Stock to be issued pursuant to this Agreement shall not, at the time the Registration Statement (including any amendments or supplements thereto) is declared effective by the SEC, contain any untrue statement of a Material fact or omit to state any Material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading. The information supplied by or on behalf of the Company and its Subsidiaries for inclusion in the S-4 registration statement shall comply in all Material respects with the requirements of the Securities Laws and the rules and regulations there under applicable to the Company. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Company makes no representation or warranty with respect to any information supplied by the Buyer and its Subsidiaries that is contained or incorporated by reference in, or furnished in connection with the preparation of, the Registration Statement."

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/print_filings.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilename %3D0001297077%252D06%252D000045%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2006%255C07%255C12%255 C&symbol=CSHD

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Uh oh...are we still okay?
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
IMO, Yes. 10K, SB4 an then the halt and reset. That is what Rufus has been saying all along. What will the reset be and will it hold? That's for you to decide on an individual basis. Enough reality. Time for fantasy. Good night.

GLTA
Wally
 

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Posted by Hannibull on :
 
shares won't be restricted after the reset right?
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Good Morning!
I'm off to work. Don't let anything crazy happen till I get back!
GLTA
 

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Posted by Synastar on :
 
Props to wallymac for giving the board the drunken "I love you guys!" while still providing good information!
 

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Posted by a surfer on :
 

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Originally posted by Synastar:
Props to wallymac for giving the board the drunken "I love you guys!" while still providing good information!

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LOL boy is he awake yet...get the aspirin...
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Well we goty to know Wally a little better last night I see!

Wish you would post more Wally, great facts and a personality! Hope to be on that private panel if it ever gets going!

GLTA!
 

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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
All right folks another day. No PR last night (or at 12:07 am this morning). Any speculation on EOD? Looks like we really did have a good volume day yesterday compared to the last few days. We know people will be buying on the last day before the weekend just in case a PR comes.... I've been irrationally exhuburant with my calls so I'll say $1.08 EOD with 1.2 mill +/- volume. Any takers? Well, if it closes at $54.00 all bets are off.
 

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Posted by sceptor on :
 
Wow I turn my back on you guys and you all regress into helpless blithering idiots - Ren and Stimpy.

Remember they intend on trading the cvsu shares 1 for 1 with fhal shares. The S-4 is to register the cvsu shares to give them a monetary value so they can do that. Once the S-4 is filed, they can trade shares, and... once the shares are traded they can commence with chossing the 1 of the 3 available options for the reset. Rufus has stated several times that C will be the choice.

ALL fhal shares will become unrestricted after the merger that includes the officers of fhal and the privite investors. However for them to trade at the onset of the reset they still need to file a form 144 and form 4 (officers only) since they were originally restricted. I'm not really clear as to why that is, but thats what has been stated and that is what seems to be happening with some of the fhal share holders. I think it's pretty interesting that none of the fhal officers have filed form 4's, and considering they have seen the goods Rufus has it gives me a real warm fuzzy inside knowing they dont intend on selling anytime soon.

All cvsu shares will be restricted after the reset. 2 years for the officers and 90 days for the other share holders.
 

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Posted by BooDog on :
 

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Originally posted by 10of13:

And Boo...if you find your best picks with Jack...go grab him and start picking...let us know what ya find...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Stockstar69:
All right folks another day. No PR last night (or at 12:07 am this morning). Any speculation on EOD? Looks like we really did have a good volume day yesterday compared to the last few days. We know people will be buying on the last day before the weekend just in case a PR comes.... I've been irrationally exhuburant with my calls so I'll say $1.08 EOD with 1.2 mill +/- volume. Any takers? Well, if it closes at $54.00 all bets are off.

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Not sure... expect it to be tight and slow like most of the days without news. Daytraders will stay away today... and new blood is skiddish. Those that are in are tapped out. We know somebody won't let it get below a dollar... we also know somebody won't let this run. I have been trying to understand the market pressures from both sides of the camp.

If the MM's knew this was a scam... why not let it run? Who cares if it flies up to $2, as it will eventually come down. Hell, let it bounce every day cuz the MM's make their money coming and going, and the volume would get more trade fees and further chances to short... "no worries... this thing will eventually be .10 after 9/30" and they could catch up on all the FTD shares then. But, we don't see it happening. They are afraid of something.

Likewise...we see some MM's keeping it above a dollar as well... is this Rufus's support?

Tired of thinking... wanna read a 10K.
 

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Posted by Goodones on :
 
Found one of the best post over at that other place. This was posted by Abbytraderwin, very smart trader.
If a broker sold them to you they are real for you and that is all that counts. If the broker oversold his position and now has Failure to Delivers(FTD's), the broker must buy the shares somewhere to cover what they sold to you. That is the brokers problem not yours.

If the float was bought up as Rufus has stated, the only real shares trading are the ones held at the time the float was bought by the company and held by the shareholders at that time. That was more than a month ago.

Rufus has stated that he didn't know what they were trading and believed that CSHD had bought up the entire float.

The only way real shares could come into the market was for real shares to be sold, hence the massive basher attacks. That would also clean up the FTD's if the oversolds were also sold by the new shareholders. The refusal of the shareholders to sell their shares and CSHD holding the rest of the float is why the volume has been so low and the attacks so desperate!!

This bubble is about to break!! Increased buying pressure will start a massive covering by shorts and MMs replacing FTDs. Because the float is still controled by the shareholders(real stock before the float was bought)and FTD shareholders(just as good and valid)along with CSHD(holding the balance of the float in a trust), any new buys only increase the FTDs which can hurt the MM by increasing the number of shares the MM have to buy to deliver later and at a higher price.

Now you have shorts that must cover before the reset and before the price gets too high and expensive for them to cover without losing a lot of money, as well as MMs that must buy shares to replace FTDs(oversolds) which increase with every buy before the reset.

What would you do if you were a MM?

What would you do if you were a Short?

Now what will you do as an investor?

This situation is appealing to new money from daytraders, flippers, and investors.

Once it really gets started it will explode. Better now for shorters and MM than to wait until after the 10k and reset forcing covering shorts and replacing FTDs at 15.00-84.00 vs 1.00-10.00 in the next 10 days.

WE ARE SITTING ON A POWDERKEG ABOUT TO EXPLODE!!!!

IF RUFUS LET'S A GREAT PR OR FILING GO ANY DAY DURING THE NEXT TEN DAYS IT WILL BE THE MATCH THE SETS OFF THE EXPLOSION.

Even without news the word is getting out about this stock and buyers will be coming. GREED will not let the greedy stay away.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
I still think new blood is skiddish... this is too expensive for penny players... and the big boys don't play the pinks. We are a pink elephant. We see no action until a 10k. PR's have meant nothing. We've seen it several times now.
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
Sceptor...I agree about the warm fuzzy feeling from the FHAL officers not looking to sale. Makes me want to hold more shares for the long haul.

I'm still wondering about the OS numbers we've been getting. Is there any real way to know if the CVSU shares are being counted? I'm assuming that the 62,000,000 that Rufus PR'd is the FHAL side of things and the extra 30,000,000 or so is CVSU shares coming in. This is all based off of the 92,000,000 figure the TA has given in the past (it was 92 mill wasn't it?). Maybe the TA has been hushed because they weren't giving the 62 mill number like Rufus wants them to.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
So FHAL Micheal still owns his 26,000,000 shares? Have they been accounted for?
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
I hope Wally is enjoying those dreams. Wonder if he'll write a Penthouse forum letter when he gets up?

I know this sounds impossible, but it really happened to me.....
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
dog, I agree.. a PR unless it's the Blessed 10k will cause a run but not a BANG ~

For OUR protection rat aswell as myself are watching for chart pattern breakers, something that will screw up the "pattern" if you will... because if that happens then a crash will happen.

That's why rat always says this or this can happen and not "screw up" the charts...

So we have our butts covered that way as far as loss is concerned, but honestly, with Rufus taking on Ameritrade I think Rufus is the real deal.

I think buying will be tight, and with that short interest so high we should have that upward pressure still, closing a bit in the green like we have been -when it's not screwed with ~

I think this is just a waiting game personally...

Think we're going to bag a big one here, God only knows what Rufus has up his sleeve, and yes I think he does, I've followed his quotes and go back to them all the time.

He did have a plan in place, that's why he's so up front about things, -the BBQ, the message boards, pal talk.

FWIW, That's my take on things ~
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
"I never thought this would ever happen to me but believe me it's true. I was sitting in front of my laptop all day following this damn stock when..."

Great Milliam. Why you reading Penthouse? This stock is much more interesting.
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
I guess we'll have to wait for the 10k to find out about Micheal's shares. If he still has them....wow! He could be a billionaire soon.

My guess...He gave up quite a bit of them when the merger went through. If not, he'd own about 25% of the company.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
So we don't really know where his shares are? Am I right to think it would be impossible for Rufus to have them without a big legal papertrail that we would have noticed?
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
I'm not reading...just looking at the pictures.

Oh wait, I mean I'm reading the fascinating news articles they print, yeah that's the ticket .
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
Gotta go to work.... check in at the bell...
 

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Posted by stockstar on :
 
if you have some time, this audio file is interesting and deals with another stock that is having the same problem we have with tda and short selling. listen from 14:00 on.
It's kinda long but just fast forward through some.

http://www.ultimateuploads.com/audio/view.php?play=4df42849f3e12a9379065276bbea8 c3d

here is where the audio file came from
http://www.stockhouse.com/bullboards/viewmessage.asp?no=12810941&tableid=1

[ September 15, 2006, 09:15: Message edited by: stockstar ]
 

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Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Suprise, suprise!! No public statement by TD Ameritrade, no threat of lawsuits more than 24 hours after the Rufus PR. This can only mean one thing. They know that they are in the wrong and imo the best thing for them to do is to let it blow over as painlessly as possible. The most important thing for them now is to try and cover.I know this would be my plan if i was in their shoes! We know from the buying restrictions, that they are looking out for themselves!
 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Morning gang
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
morning all. Hey Tax if you can make that other board happen I'm game. I think it's a great idea. I don't think we'll see anything huge today. I'd love to be wrong but I agree with dog and chart.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Looks like we'll be starting the day in the right direction.... "UP!"
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
True. I'd take a few pennies up everyday as long as we're going up. I know the pps now doesn't mean anything, but I sure as hell hate to see them take it down.
 

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Posted by Vin on :
 
Maybe with no response from Ameritrade, people are starting to believe what Rufus is saying...thus the price moving up a bit. Just a thought.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I'm SURE about that Vin!
 

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Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
 
I don't post much. I read and absorb all though.
Tax you stuck the idea out there about the board.
If you need help/direction...web programming is my forte. That's one area where I know I have strong skills and I'd be willing to participate in that.
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
looking like they're going to bring it down. What's it look like chart.
 

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Posted by cool AZ on :
 
good morning board! We're one day closer ... but, closer to the mark! Like the idea about the board ... would like to participate! Maybe we could have a meeting at the Bellagio after the reset, etc.! Exciting stuff! Later ...
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
This can tickle the .92 area today without doin any damage...if early enough today , it may even be able to get a penny or two lower than that..

Support on an incline through out the day... .925 being the highest level EOD

have fun....


Quick edit here...

The .925 support level i have refered to, is a long term, MAJOR support level...

It's critical that this stays above those numbers today...

There are a boatload of minor support levels to get through, before it gets there..
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
sorry... buzy day. won't be in much FYI ~

Bounced off of support I see.
Everythings fine so far...
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Morning all... slow start for me today.

Sounds like a definite interest in the board. As I said last night shouldn't be too dificult to get something going.

I have been thinking about it for a long time, kinda mashing my hobby with my career kinda thing. I don't want to tick off Allstocks though in the process, I really like what we have got going here and it is one of the best trading communities on the Internet. I will kick something together and then invite you over. I will probably ask a few of you like (I got a headach) Wally, and others to help develop the rules and enforcement of the board following the invite. The idead was creating a place where we can just talk good stocks, no pump, and no bash.

I think that is the goal of most of these boards but some how the rules always get a bit lost along the way as they become larger and more generalized.
 

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Posted by Vin on :
 
I usually keep a fairly low profile here, but I'm all over that Bellagio action! Will be able to play craps with the big boys with the cash!!! Vegas is the homeland.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
I don't post much. I read and absorb all though.
Tax you stuck the idea out there about the board.
If you need help/direction...web programming is my forte. That's one area where I know I have strong skills and I'd be willing to participate in that.

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quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
well yeeehaw im signin off for the evening while im ahead and wally's still touting my virtues...

plus i think that alkeehol is gonna knock 'im out soon and i gotta be ready to jump into those dreams...
now where did i put those garters...


goodnight party people!
~BB

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Keep that up and I will have to change my name...LOL
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
I haven't read back through everything overnight, so I hope this hasn't been mentioned before....

I know EggInspector (for those who were on XKEM) and a few others recently started a new board for exactly that purpose. Concentrating on DD. It has been very slow starting even though it has been by invite to keep out the pumpers and bashers. Two points come out of that: 1) everyone still seems to gravitate here because of the level of action, and 2) they may want to join forces with us since it is for the same purpose...
 

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Posted by Livinonklendathu on :
 
.95 x 1 Bid
.94 x 1


.96 x 1 Ask
.97 x 1


Last .96
Volume 147,700
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Thanks liv
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
I gotta split....
will check in once in a while...

Like I said earlier...

.925 area is MAJOR SUPPORT today...

As long as we stay above that,, it is all good..

See Ya!!!
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
dog, I agree.. a PR unless it's the Blessed 10k will cause a run but not a BANG ~

For OUR protection rat aswell as myself are watching for chart pattern breakers, something that will screw up the "pattern" if you will... because if that happens then a crash will happen.

That's why rat always says this or this can happen and not "screw up" the charts...

So we have our butts covered that way as far as loss is concerned, but honestly, with Rufus taking on Ameritrade I think Rufus is the real deal.

I think buying will be tight, and with that short interest so high we should have that upward pressure still, closing a bit in the green like we have been -when it's not screwed with ~

I think this is just a waiting game personally...

Think we're going to bag a big one here, God only knows what Rufus has up his sleeve, and yes I think he does, I've followed his quotes and go back to them all the time.

He did have a plan in place, that's why he's so up front about things, -the BBQ, the message boards, pal talk.

FWIW, That's my take on things ~

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quote:

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Originally posted by cool AZ:
good morning board! We're one day closer ... but, closer to the mark! Like the idea about the board ... would like to participate! Maybe we could have a meeting at the Bellagio after the reset, etc.! Exciting stuff! Later ...

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quote:

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Originally posted by dog:
Very pleased with this board.... a bit of a mental sanctuary with a sound group of people... as long as they aren't drunk.

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In other words i probably shouldnt post tonight?

News or no news i think ill splurge this evening. I'll celebrate whatever comes to mind!
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
it's FRIDAY what other reason do you need to splurge
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Yeah Cat,,,

Tonights gonna be a "Wally" night ~ lol ~
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
It's an Oberon night.... with a nice slice of orange in a frosted pint glass. Mmmboyhowdie!
 

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Posted by Synastar on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Support/Resistance
Type Value/Confirmed
resist. 1.17 2
resist. 1.13 2
supp 0.96 4
supp 0.80 2
supp 0.72 3
supp 0.58 3
supp 0.54 2

FWIW...
remember, these are only from AFTER the symbol change.. I would expect rat's numbers to be closer.

I won't be here alot today...

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quote:

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Originally posted by ruthie:
So many promises....So little results....

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quote:

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Originally posted by Synastar:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Support/Resistance
Type Value/Confirmed
resist. 1.17 2
resist. 1.13 2
supp 0.96 4
supp 0.80 2
supp 0.72 3
supp 0.58 3
supp 0.54 2

FWIW...
remember, these are only from AFTER the symbol change.. I would expect rat's numbers to be closer.

I won't be here alot today...

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Hey Chart, I think I missed something. Please elaborate on the symbol change. Thanks.

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When it went to CSHD from FHAL...

I don't look and draw support and resistance lines anymore because my trading style,
-my forte' is exact buy in and outs on the fly, I'm a flipper not a holder, yet here I am!

My scan will only start from where the symbol started, hence rat's numbers should be closer cause he also includes the old symbol data and can see and validate those levels with the levels after the change also, so by theory, his should be closer.

My scan lacks the ability to include the previous ticker symbols data as far as support and ress go, I could look like rat does, but why? We have rat! The charts and indicators themselves I can go all the way back to day one!

I do like the support and ress numbers I get using the scan because it uses all data, volume, how many times it was confirmed (tested) length of stay, fibs etc etc. and "grows" and changes with the stock.

Since rat's style appears to keep an eye on these levels I try to use his numbers.

We'll depend on me when the chit hits the fan! I'll let everyone know if after the reset if we are going up or down, dips the works! Or when someone here wants to buy in, then I've brought up the charts and help locate the bottoms and tops.

So far correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've nailed 6 in a row, and I'll do that all day long too my friend!

Alright time for me to leave again, pop back in later ~
GL ~
 

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Posted by Livinonklendathu on :
 
Support and resistance levels from stock t a if anyone is interested:

http://www.stockta.com/cgi-bin/analysis.pl?symb=CSHD&num1=1&cobrand=&mode=stock
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
Another 10 buys at the ask with no upward movement...unbelievable.
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
there's no short covering going on is there dog.lol. some decent sized blocks too going through.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
On 1 sell it drops 1-2, but no upward movement on strings of buys at the ask.... my stomach hurts.
 

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Posted by usedtobeaCRab on :
 
25k just went through at .95

and sorry about the off topic blither...won't happen again...
 

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Posted by ruthie on :
 
O.K. I will try not to be a Debbie Downer.....
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by ruthie:
O.K. I will try not to be a Debbie Downer.....

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quote:

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Originally posted by Livinonklendathu:
Support and resistance levels from stock t a if anyone is interested:

http://www.stockta.com/cgi-bin/analysis.pl?symb=CSHD&num1=1&cobrand=&mode=stock

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quote:

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Originally posted by dog:
Interesting.....

HDSN - Hudson International Securities

Was buying blocks of 2500 for awhile..

HDSN is the institutional trader of their company.

http://www.wiensecurities.com/

HMMMM..

These guys for shorty?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Livinonklendathu:
Lol - Thanks Chart - I understand how support and resistance works - just wanted to know your "confirmed" column and what it meant to you.

Just odd that your "confirmed" column and stock t a's "confluence" column have exactly the same values. Understand?

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ah... see what you're get'n at ~

When talking I use confirmed or validate, how many would know words like "confluence?"

People who use exotic words I tend to stay away from, if someone has real "know how" about something they tend to talk in a simple tongue so you can understand it, -that's what I've seen anyway. I think there are alot of "cut and paste" people out there, -talk like a text book!

ALOT of BAD charting skills out there!!!!
People who mean well, but.....

Most important thing that I've learned is that you'll never stop learning, cause only a fool knows everything ~

my .02 cents
 

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Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
I don't know why you bother with charts on this one. It's a pretty simple play, imo;
#1. either Rufus is going to pull off the price reset, and there will be institutional support to allow current longs to make a bundle.

#2. Or this has been a farce or has been screwed up and once that comes out for sure, you may have a chance to dump over .50 if you're lucky.

Those are the only two options I see right now. Based on my DD, and what Rufus has said I would rather take the chance on losing a few grand rather than missing out on making a few hundred grand. So I'm a long.
 

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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
I don't know why you bother with charts on this one. It's a pretty simple play, imo;
#1. either Rufus is going to pull off the price reset, and there will be institutional support to allow current longs to make a bundle.

#2. Or this has been a farce or has been screwed up and once that comes out for sure, you may have a chance to dump over .50 if you're lucky.

Those are the only two options I see right now. Based on my DD, and what Rufus has said I would rather take the chance on losing a few grand rather than missing out on making a few hundred grand. So I'm a long.

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I'm going with option #1. With all the DD done on this board it would have to be the trick of the century to screw this many people.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I'm with you Smelly!

that's why I don't bother pulling them up unless it's a turning point, or a selloff cause then perhaps you can flip it and get down to the next support and buy back in and have a ton more shares!

So right now the charts are just used to keep us out of danger, rat has done a great job at keeping everyone informed I think, and you can find peace with knowing how far it will drop sometimes, otherwise how do you know?.... Panic replaces knowledge, and we all know what EMOTIONS do!! LOL ~

So even here charts have their place IMO
 

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Posted by usedtobeaCRab on :
 
haven't heard from any ameritrade people today...anyone call and see if any more info is being released...i doubt they are saying anything but has anyone confirmed that for the day?
 

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Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
 
Sure wish I had some more dough.
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Hi gang!!!

Have just a minute here...

Lookin good so far on the support thing...

Don't let this mid 90's chit freak ya out ... IT'S OK!!!!

.925 + or - a tick or two is SOLID long term stuff..

Nothing has disrupted chart integrity yet!!

Hang tough..

see ya later!!
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Bye the way...

If this does get below that .925 area, Al it will do is extend the time before the Chart Configuration matures...

Good support right under the 925 area...

It may be good for an MM head fake..

I won't totaly freak untill it gets below .82+

Then I will CRY!!
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Hmmm, i put a GTC sell order in the other day at $75 just for giggles and for no explained reason at all Etrade cancelled it today. Thats not very nice!!
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
put it back in at $80--
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
put it back in at $80--

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Ok, done.

Maybe this time they can explain why they would just cancel my order!
 

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Posted by Goodones on :
 
Anyone want to wager that the shorts start to cover today after 3:30?
 

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Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
 
How much? $41.93?
 

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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
put it back in at $80--

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Ok, done.

Maybe this time they can explain why they would just cancel my order!

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quote:

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Originally posted by Stockstar69:

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
put it back in at $80--

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Ok, done.

Maybe this time they can explain why they would just cancel my order!

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Must be nice...The Highest I could get from Scotty on the GTC sell is $4.00.

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you can call and up that to whatever price you want... (of course itll be 27 dollar commision) but it shouldnt matter at that point if ur sell price is anything above 4.00..
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
TUT has spoken once again...what do you make of it?

Posted by: bluediamonds
In reply to: bluediamonds who wrote msg# 74930 Date:9/15/2006 3:02:35 PM
Post #of 75175

TUT: "something the likes of which you may never see again" 9/15

FWIW:

Today, 09:54 AM #3195
tutankhamen
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 79
HSM Newbie


 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
I sure hope we start an EOD run...UP THOUGH!!!

Looks like we're right at that resistance we've been hearing about. I can't believe this thing. Come on 10K!
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Here is the actual post.

#3478
tutankhamen
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 79

quote:

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quote:

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Originally posted by milliam:
I sure hope we start an EOD run...UP THOUGH!!!

Looks like we're right at that resistance we've been hearing about. I can't believe this thing. Come on 10K!

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last prs tone was one of "busy tone" i wouldnt expect the 10k until the end of the month latest
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Is he telling us that the 10k is coming this weekend? I'm thinking either that or Jesus is back in town and will take only those who hold CSHD stock.
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
I'm voting for Jesus....
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by dog:
I'm voting for Jesus....

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Screw the 10K!!!!!
I want JESUS!!!!!!

 

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Posted by dog on :
 
I just want to sign Him and record His first album... then the ball would be rollin'.
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Well if JC is back in town which I wouldn't mind in the least. I don't think we'll be needing our cshd shares anymore. I think capitalism would be a thing of the past.
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
One thing you have to admit...this TUT guy is pretty acurate...and creepy. Remember the "." (period...end of story) post the day the merger was complete?
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
yeah but he's been dead for what like 4000 years his breath has got to be kicking
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
However... tired of the word "soon."
 

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Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
 
the projected completion was pr'd prior to the "."
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
correct. Lincoln
 

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Posted by dog on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
yeah but he's been dead for what like 4000 years his breath has got to be kicking

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quote:

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Originally posted by milliam:
I sure hope we start an EOD run...UP THOUGH!!!

Looks like we're right at that resistance we've been hearing about. I can't believe this thing. Come on 10K!

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quote:

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
the projected completion was pr'd prior to the "."

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True, but the "." came out at the time of day when people were starting to panic and ask if this thing was (indeed) done or not. Many on the IHUB were starting to doubt...a few were here as well. This guys timing is very...well, for lack of a better word...timely.
 

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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Up .015 to .945 on 569,611...200 shares? WTF?

Wonder where that 11 shares came from?
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Interesting to see ARCA on the lowest ask
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Hello!!

Looks like the ole' MM's wanted to make a liar outta me...

They took it down a half cent below the .925 mark..

OR>>>> I may have drawn my lines crooked..
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
Tut sure does like to make us wonder....
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
back ~
Whoa Tut's back!

Wonder if that is Rufus himself?..

Can't miss the bible style and Rufus uses the "Godspeed" thing.
btw, Go Jesus!!!

Could be that Rufus has seen all the talk about the 30th, and doesn't want someone who "might believe" to be left out.

That post also says -with their back to "ME"...

That's why I think it's Rufie... He never could stay off the boards long!!!

And who can blame him if he is sitting on top of a secret like that!!!!!

IMO, I'm going to be watching for something this weekend.

That midnight post was real symbolic too. It was at night when the first born of Egypt were taken and revenge was God's...

NO I'm not preaching on a board!!
I'm trying to PROFILE this Tut!

I'm getting a very good feeling about things all of a sudden!
 

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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Bigger volume comming now. 585,111 and sitting at .94. Just getting interesting...Well back to work. Figures...
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
.95
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Did I read a post earlier that said sumpthin about TDAm putin out a P.R. in response today???/
 

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Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
 
Chart, I was kinda leaning toward your logic on the TUT thing but do you think Rufus is really that dorky?
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
Chart, I was kinda leaning toward your logic on the TUT thing but do you think Rufus is really that dorky?

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quote:

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
Chart, I was kinda leaning toward your logic on the TUT thing but do you think Rufus is really that dorky?

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quote:

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
I have a 2nd cousin named Dorcus.
She's a knockout.
And no it doesn't work like that in NC.

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Oh COMMON!!!!

2nd cousins are leagal in NC....but then again,......no one ever cared before....


HEEYYYY!!!! NICE TOOOOTH!!!!
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
Well that sucked... I hate losing money... oh well.
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
You only lost it if you sold, dog, and I KNOW you didn't sell today
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Support held man!!! CHIN -UP please!!!!

Anyone know about that P.R. thing that TDAm was gunna put out today??
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Do 2nd cousins even count there?
 

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Posted by dog on :
 
Nice after market 40K buy at .95.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
Support held man!!! CHIN -UP please!!!!

Anyone know about that P.R. thing that TDAm was gunna put out today??

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quote:

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Originally posted by bigstocks:
Do 2nd cousins even count there?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
Support held man!!! CHIN -UP please!!!!

Anyone know about that P.R. thing that TDAm was gunna put out today??

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Don't think there was one rat... I think that was the talk... But I've been in and out today..

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quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:

quote:

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Originally posted by bigstocks:
Do 2nd cousins even count there?

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I think that 2nd cousin down there just means the 2nd oldest 1st cousin...

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quote:

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
I actually have 2nd cousins married to each other.
I found out at a reunion when everyone was explaining who everyone's mom and dad were. Took me by surprise.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
back ~
Whoa Tut's back!

Wonder if that is Rufus himself?..

Can't miss the bible style and Rufus uses the "Godspeed" thing.
btw, Go Jesus!!!

Could be that Rufus has seen all the talk about the 30th, and doesn't want someone who "might believe" to be left out.

That post also says -with their back to "ME"...

That's why I think it's Rufie... He never could stay off the boards long!!!

And who can blame him if he is sitting on top of a secret like that!!!!!

IMO, I'm going to be watching for something this weekend.

That midnight post was real symbolic too. It was at night when the first born of Egypt were taken and revenge was God's...

NO I'm not preaching on a board!!
I'm trying to PROFILE this Tut!

I'm getting a very good feeling about things all of a sudden!

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Chartman: I agree...I have suspected it was him for some time now...for the very reasons you mentioned. There is a hint of religion, revenge, and leadership emanating from his posts.

He is the shepherd watching over his flock.
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
Are the rest of the Southerners gonna have to get rough here? There are just as many backwards, back-water places in the rest of the country as there are in the Southeast.... Be kind to Lincoln! LOL
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
I actually have 2nd cousins married to each other.
I found out at a reunion when everyone was explaining who everyone's mom and dad were. Took me by surprise.

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You mean Mr. & Mrs. Rat?...

Yep, things are adding up now!! lol ~
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Kinda like ...

HEYYYY!!!

Common over and meet my Mom , My Aunt, My sister and My cousin... then only one person walks out the door...

Too funny!!
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
I keep hearing banjo's for some reason.
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
I actually have 2nd cousins married to each other.
I found out at a reunion when everyone was explaining who everyone's mom and dad were. Took me by surprise.

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Man, I was taking up for us, and then you go and let something like that out of the bag
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I'm my own Grandpa!!! LOL ~~

Yeah StMatt. Totally hear ya ~
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

quote:

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Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer:
I actually have 2nd cousins married to each other.
I found out at a reunion when everyone was explaining who everyone's mom and dad were. Took me by surprise.

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You mean Mr. & Mrs. Rat?...

Yep, things are adding up now!! lol ~

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
rat, your first name "John by any chance?...

-named after your mom... -the hot toilet seat that hatched you! LMAO ~~

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quote:

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Originally posted by sandor butosi:
Closed below $1 thereforethe trip to nasdaq (blah blah blah) etc... is less probable. I expect this stock to slowly drop as confidence erroads unless a strong 10k is released. NO huge buys. Shorts are not worried. They know they will get cheap shares if they are patient. Hopefully the next PR before the 10k will bump this stock up. This stock has low volume and the price is not moving much on news. I will wait for a bottom and buy on a gamble that the 10k will bring this stock up with a reset around $1 or $15. If the closing prices stay under $1 then the big boys won't touch this thing. The delays are sobering. The lack of a sqeeze worrisome.

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quote:

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Originally posted by sandor butosi:
Closed below $1 thereforethe trip to nasdaq (blah blah blah) etc... is less probable. I expect this stock to slowly drop as confidence erroads unless a strong 10k is released. NO huge buys. Shorts are not worried. They know they will get cheap shares if they are patient. Hopefully the next PR before the 10k will bump this stock up. This stock has low volume and the price is not moving much on news. I will wait for a bottom and buy on a gamble that the 10k will bring this stock up with a reset around $1 or $15. If the closing prices stay under $1 then the big boys won't touch this thing. The delays are sobering. The lack of a sqeeze worrisome.

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quote:

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Originally posted by bigstocks:
Chart you didnt mean that I wanted it to go lower did you?

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He was talkin to Mr. Sunshine up above..
sandor but....sumthin...J/k... have a good one
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
How was the weather today
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:
SherriT...did you get your mail?

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quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
Why do you put so much faith in this Tut guy, bye the way...???

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quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:
TUT has spoken once again...what do you make of it?

Posted by: bluediamonds
In reply to: bluediamonds who wrote msg# 74930 Date:9/15/2006 3:02:35 PM
Post #of 75175

TUT: "something the likes of which you may never see again" 9/15

FWIW:

Today, 09:54 AM #3195
tutankhamen
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 79
HSM Newbie

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this is what they are talking about Rat...
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
My curiousity is with the timing of the response...if they are central time, it is right after the market close....
 

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Posted by milliam on :
 
Man, I can't wait till this thing hits. I hope all yall will come on down to a little shin dig at Rufusus place. For your entertainment, this guy will be a playin and we'll all have a pig squealin contest!


 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
I think tut posted it earlier and blue diamonds reposted it, that's the way it looks to me anyway
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
You mean Eastern time don't ya?
 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
she's correct rat, the market closes at 3pm central time
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by milliam:
Man, I can't wait till this thing hits. I hope all yall will come on down to a little shin dig at Rufusus place. For your entertainment, this guy will be a playin and we'll all have a pig squealin contest!

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quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
I didn't read back all the thread...Kinda just skimmed over it..

Did Mr. Tut have a prophetic moment or sumpthin today???

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hehe when i first read this? i thought you wrote movement, not moment
 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
hey rat, where's poohville?
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Would that kinda be like sayen "Holy Chit" glassman??? lol
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by milliam:
[QB] Man, I can't wait till this thing hits. I hope all yall will come on down to a little shin dig at Rufusus place. For your entertainment, this guy will be a playin and we'll all have a pig squealin contest!

Thanks but no thanks Mill. I will not be able to attend the pig squealing contest. Send pict oh no no don't send pictures I don't want to know anything about it.
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by RichBy26:
hey rat, where's poohville?

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quote:

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
go mudhens woohoo

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quote:

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Originally posted by RichBy26:
Oh now I get it, thanks! I grew up right outside Cleveland so I was just being curious:)

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Ya !! Where at....

I have some buddies in Parma and a few more in Lorain and Euclid...Kinda covers the entire perimeter of the land of Cleavs..
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

My way of sayen I live in a Back Asswards town..

Most others know it as Toledo...or Klingerville..

sheesh... i live in Mississississipi what do you call a whole state like that? (without activating the automatic censors)
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
I'm from CT, but a friend of mine I was stationed with was from Toledo and I had one of their hats.

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:

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Originally posted by RichBy26:
Oh now I get it, thanks! I grew up right outside Cleveland so I was just being curious:)

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YTa !! Where at....

I have some buddies in Parma and a few more in Lorain and Euclid...Kinda covers the entire perimeter of the land of Cleavs..

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quote:

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Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
What ever happened to Bud, Texasprincess, and all the other characters who have been part of this adventure?

I swear the past 3 months in this has been better than any season of Lost, 24, Nip/Tuck combined!

Someone should do a movie on this!

Now we have Tut posting his wacky, albiet accurate, posts on HSM. We have Ben, Dr. Mensah, Tim Miles aka Our Street, stockl emon, and the ring leader; Rufus...

This is reading better than a Bond movie, lol.

Long and Strong until the RESET !

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I agree...and according to TUT, it's only going to get better. This is TUT yesterday...

tutankhamen
HSM Newbie

Yesterday, 12:22 AM

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 79 T

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
no rat last I knew he was still in.

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Ya!!

We Toledoans will do almost anything to get out and stay out of here..LOL

Did my hitch in the Air Force 80 -85

Thanks to you and your friend for doin your part..
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
same to you. Navy 93-97
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
"The cobra has only begun to strike. The spit of the cobra will blind its victims before the final strike."


This Tut guy kinda sounds like he needs some prosack or somethin...

Or maybe he's David Carridine haven a Kung-Fu flash back..

"Snatch the bean from my hand"
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Formerly from Youngstown. Need I say more.
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by bigstocks:
Formerly from Youngstown. Need I say more.

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LOL

You got out as far as the steel mills didn't ya!!

Not much left in Youngstown..

Gotta bunch of Crack-heads ... Saw um just a few weeks back when I was passin thru..
 

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Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
Personally I think Tut is a fake, and just some poster who has had a few lucky breaks on the timing.

No one should get excited over what he post, this lunatic posts something like "The sky is filled with the clouds of hope and all who stand by me shall revel in egyptian hoopla" EVERY FREAKING DAY !! LOL, of course he's going to get it right now and then.

Tut is just playing the odds, and now like Bud, TXprincess, Dr. Mensah, Ben, ***, JJ Seabrook, Tim Miles, and Rufus is just another silly character in the Summer 2006 saga called FHAL/CSHD.

Ahhh..time for a drink...
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Toledo will be joinin' the ranks of Youngstown and Flint Michigan soon..

Companies are buggen out left and right..

Ford is shutin' down a plant just outside of town...

The trickel down effect shoud be tough on all the little guys that provide support to them..

Acouple more years and I'm headin' for Durango Co.

Hate this area....Hate the weather, and most the peeps here are mean as hell...lol
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
pretty good trick posting 4000 years after you are dead


http://www.topfoto.co.uk/gallery/tutankhamun/default.htm
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
"The sky is filled with the clouds of hope and all who stand by me shall revel in egyptian hoopla"

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Thats deep. I think Uncle Smelly knows something!!! Ok, lets see...what could it mean.


 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Kinda what I was thinkin about Tut myself Uncle Smelly!!

If you throw enough chit at the wall ,,, sumpthin is gunna stick...
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
It was bad when I left 25yrs ago.
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:

My way of sayen I live in a Back Asswards town..

Most others know it as Toledo...or Klingerville..

sheesh... i live in Mississississipi what do you call a whole state like that? (without activating the automatic censors)

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Hey, be kind man...Mississississississippi is making progress...and no, I don't live there. What part?
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
"Hey, be kind man...Mississississississippi is making progress..."

Ya!!!

I heard that they took some of the "issi's" out of the name!!
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Looks like TDAm is not gunna respond today..

That kinda makes me nervouse..

They gotta have a pretty good sized leagal team..

I ole Rufas made any mistakes, they could pizz in all our Wheaties,,
 

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Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
"The sky is filled with the clouds of hope and all who stand by me shall revel in egyptian hoopla"

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Thats deep. I think Uncle Smelly knows something!!! Ok, lets see...what could it mean.

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quote:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
Looks like TDAm is not gunna respond today..

That kinda makes me nervouse..

They gotta have a pretty good sized leagal team..

I ole Rufas made any mistakes, they could pizz in all our Wheaties,,

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quote:

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Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
"The sky is filled with the clouds of hope and all who stand by me shall revel in egyptian hoopla"

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Thats deep. I think Uncle Smelly knows something!!! Ok, lets see...what could it mean.

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lol, it means there are more people full of b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t. over the last few months in this stock than in all the cowfields in Texas.

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LMAO
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Hey..I resemble that comment!

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:



Hate this area....Hate the weather, and most the peeps here are mean as hell...lol

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Posted by glassman on :
 
since we're completley off-topic tonight?
i notice the politics are heating up over there for you Maumee guys:

(actually i found this DD'ing FoMoCo)
Maumee raccoon relocation may have Perrysburg seeing red

Richard Green shows off the trap that he baits with peanut butter to capture raccoons in his backyard in Maumee.
( THE BLADE/JEREMY WADSWORTH )

By JOE VARDON
BLADE STAFF WRITER

Almost anything has become fair game in the cross-river rivalry between the cities of Maumee in Lucas County and Perrysburg in Wood County.

The fray endures, whether it’s the opposing high school’s mascot, wooing away new businesses, or painting the old bridge pillars in the Maumee River that serve as the border between the two spirited rivals.

But is “game” fair game? It is to a Maumee man, sort of, but state wildlife officials aren’t too happy.

Richard Green, 81, said he traps raccoons in his backyard on River Road in Maumee, then drives the varmints across the bridge into Perrysburg and releases them.

Mr. Green said he has trapped and released 19 raccoons over the last six weeks, including 16 in the last 17 days.
If Maumee Mayor Tim Wagener opens his office door next week and is greeted by some skunks, he may have a pretty good idea where they came from.

Contact Joe Vardon at: jvardon*theblade.com or 419-410-5055.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060901/NEWS18/60901015
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
has anyone stopped over at ihub? Now there's this whole contraversey about an email supposedly from Dr. Mensah saying the AISS deal is no longer. That there is no partnership between cshd and georgia aerospace. What will come up next
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Did we miss the obvious?......

[this thought hit me...]

Rufus said in the PR:

"Companies that participate in the practice of "Short" selling either: buy their positions out of the market or go bankrupt."

Was he telling us "Hey share holders there are 16-60 million shorts that will need to be covered at reset!"

There by "guranteeing" our PPS?????

Why would he say that?... Was it to show that TDA wasn't going to deny it and that we are set?!!

Just throwing this out there, what do you guys think?....

WHEN do shorts ""have to"" be covered?
THAT IS THE QUESTION. "?"
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I have tried every email that I could find for AISS place and I never got a response...I even tried to email that "Hswf website" (the one that sent the "alleged" C/D order?) again and nothing..I also tried the "main email" that was used to "develope" the "new website"...

Translation? Doubt that there is such an email...

quote:

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
has anyone stopped over at ihub? Now there's this whole contraversey about an email supposedly from Dr. Mensah saying the AISS deal is no longer. That there is no partnership between cshd and georgia aerospace. What will come up next

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Glass..ford is closing a "stamping company" here...it's in Maumee..try channel TV13 Toledo abc...it won't be in the Toldeo Blade until Saturday...
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Oh I agree 10. I was just refering to another load of BS IMO.
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Someone should go over to Ihub with a brand new account and leave the message
"!?"
LOL

 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
should that post be from cleopatra.
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 

 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
I know people over at Ihub were looking for an actual tie between Rufus and AISS and Dr. Mensah. Well I found this not a lot of info on it but it definately links Rufus, Dr. Mensah and AISS together. Here's the link then click on the name change pdf file. Dated 8/30/2005

http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Filings.asp?381934
 

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Posted by Sandusky on :
 
Ha. Let's see if they run with it.
 

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Posted by Livinonklendathu on :
 
LMAO
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
should that post be from cleopatra.

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Cleopatra was much later... she was the last Queen..

his wife was Ankhesenpaaten... she was also probably his sister... or at least a first cousin...

them Egyptians have the North Carolinians beat huh?
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Wasn't she under suspicion of killing him. Wasn't cleopatra also supposed to be married to her brother and actually be of greek decent. Yea the Egyptians had the North Carolinians beat there must of been a ton of bruncles around then.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
bruncles? LOL thats what happens when your family tree is bamboo
 

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Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
So only 15 more days....hopefully....i think I said that 2 months ago lmao
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
exactly
 

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Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
Interesting....this afternoon TDAmeritrade had some survey person call me to ask about my latest experience with customer service. I wasn't sure which experience they were referring to since I've had to call them so much in the past few weeks about PAVC and now CSHD. I made sure I answered most of their questions with "highly dissatisfied" and at the end they said I could make any comments. I said they should deliver shares to customers from splits in a more timely manner (I'm still waiting for my PAVC shares from August) and that they should stop shorting stocks.

This is the first time I've ever recieved a survey call from them.

Jo
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Too stinkin Hilarious whoever accually did the Cleopatra post on IHUB!!!!

 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
I wonder if there is any truth to what "Tut's Wife" exclamated? Hummmm......
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 

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Originally posted by Sandusky:
Ha. Let's see if they run with it.

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It was you wasn't it? I loved the wording! Too funny!
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Crap, now I have like 20 posts in a row... I tried to PM the last message grrrrr....
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
blech. .93?

well at least i have 2 days to catch up on 8 pages.

no news huh. glad i didnt miss any action today.

im tired, i think ill hit wally's dreams again.

[ September 16, 2006, 00:36: Message edited by: betting babe ]
 

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Posted by BooDog on :
 

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Originally posted by betting babe:

well at least i have 2 days to catch up on 8 pages.

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just think what us lurkers have to go through.
 

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Posted by Sandusky on :
 
Wasn't me...I figured you or Ryan. I just happened to be watching. Was funny

quote:

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Originally posted by imapoorcollegestudent:

quote:

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Originally posted by Sandusky:
Ha. Let's see if they run with it.

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It was you wasn't it? I loved the wording! Too funny!

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Does anyone know WHEN shorts HAVE TO be covered?

What's the LAW?...

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Have you looked at shortsqueeze.com? There may be some helpful info there.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
nope nothing, thx anyway Sugar ~

ANYONE......

Does anyone know WHEN shorts HAVE TO be covered?

What's the LAW?...
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I thought this **** entry would be timely because the SEC has recently taken steps to stop abuse of the rules of shorting. One of which is that you have to actually borrow shares before you can sell them. Some short sellers abused the process by giving sell orders to their brokers for stocks they don't own, or have not borrowed. The SEC decided to finally enforce the rule and make brokers confirm that the shares have been borrowed and delivered. Some short sellers don't like that this rule is being enforced.

http://www. ****maverick.com/2005/02/26/i-feel-so-dirty-naked-shorts/
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
b l o g
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Mandatory Close-Outs of Threshold Securities.

Regulation SHO requires broker-dealers to close-out all failures to deliver that exist in threshold securities for thirteen consecutive settlement days by purchasing securities of like kind and quantity ("close-out").20

Until the position is closed out, the broker or dealer and any broker or dealer for which it clears transactions (for example, an introducing broker),21 may not effect further short sales in that threshold security without borrowing or entering into a bona fide agreement to borrow the security (known as a "pre-borrowing" requirement).

http://www.sec.gov/spotlight/keyregshoissues.htm
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Whether or not a security is a threshold security does not affect the Commission's ability to prosecute manipulative or fraudulent activity that may have occurred before or after adoption of Regulation SHO.

--this is from the same link...

Perhaps TDA is in more trouble then what we think?!!!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
enforcement*sec.gov

Email the SEC about CSHD and Rufus' PR!
 

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Posted by betting babe on :
 
here's what i have been reading:

B. Short Sales in Threshold Securities — Rule 203(b)(3)
1. Threshold Securities

The Commission has decided to adopt, with certain modifications from what was proposed, additional requirements targeted at stocks that have a substantial amount of failures to deliver. As adopted, Rule 203(b)(3) requires any participant of a registered clearing agency ("participant")80 to take action on all failures to deliver that exist in such securities ten days after the normal settlement date, i.e., 13 consecutive settlement days.81 Specifically, the participant is required to close out the fail to deliver position by purchasing securities of like kind and quantity.

With slight modification from the proposal, a "threshold security" is defined in Rule 203(c)(6) as any equity security of an issuer that is registered under Section 12, or that is required to file reports pursuant to Section 15(d) of the Exchange Act82 where, for five consecutive settlement days: there are aggregate fails to deliver at a registered clearing agency of 10,000 shares or more per security; that the level of fails is equal to at least one-half of one percent of the issuer's total shares outstanding; and the security is included on a list published by an SRO. 83 We believe this threshold characterizes situations where the ratio of unfulfilled delivery obligations at the clearing agency at which trades are settled represents a significant number of shares relative to the company's total shares outstanding. We believe that such circumstances warrant action designed to address potential negative effects.84 This narrowly targeted threshold will not burden the vast majority of securities where there are not similar concerns regarding settlement.85 Our OEA analyzed recent data from NSCC on fails to deliver and calculated that approximately 3.9% of all exchange-listed and Nasdaq securities, and 4.0% of all securities, would meet this threshold.

86In order to be deemed a threshold security, and thus subject to the restrictions of Rule 203(b)(3), a security must exceed the specified fail level for a period of five consecutive settlement days. Similarly, in order to be removed from the list of threshold securities, a security must not exceed the specified level of fails for a period of five consecutive settlement days.
87 This five-day requirement will address the potential situation where a security exceeds the fails level on one day, based on an aberrant fail to deliver that may not be indicative of the usual pattern of that particular security, and thus would prevent potential "flickering" of securities in and out of the list of threshold securities.
88 Rule 203(b)(3) is intended to address potential abuses that may occur with large, extended fails to deliver.
89 We believe that the five-day requirement will facilitate the identification of securities with extended fails.

As is currently the practice for Nasdaq securities that exceed the threshold designated in NASD Rule 11830, the pertinent SRO will be responsible for publishing a daily list of the threshold securities that are listed on their markets, or for which the SRO bears the primary surveillance responsibility.
90 The SROs derive the information necessary to calculate the list of threshold securities from data on fails to deliver currently received from NSCC.

yada yada... but in re: to market makers...

Therefore, while market makers (including options market makers) engaged in bona-fide market making will continue to be excepted from the locate requirement of Rule 203(b)(1), even when effecting short sales in threshold securities, we have decided at this time not to extend an exception to market makers from the requirements to close out fails to deliver in such securities that remain for thirteen consecutive settlement days. Moreover, as discussed previously, Rule 203(b)(3)(iii) provides that until the market maker, or the participant that clears for the market maker, takes action to close out any such fails to deliver that remain ten days after the normal settlement date, the market maker shall be unable to rely on the exception in Rule 203(b)(2)(iii) from the requirement to "borrow or arrange to borrow" for further short sales in such security.

We have, however, included a limited exception from the close out requirement to allow registered options market makers to sell short threshold securities in order to hedge options positions, or to adjust such hedges, if the options positions were created prior to the time that the underlying security became a threshold security. Any fails to deliver from short sales that are not effected to hedge pre-existing options positions, and that remain for thirteen consecutive settlement days, are subject to the mandatory close out requirement. We will, however, take into consideration information that shows that this provision operates significantly differently from our expectations.

http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/34-50103.htm#V


...(13) after the failure to deliver before they could start acquiring them thru 'special arrangement' if i'm reading it right?


but it all makes my head spin.
~BB
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Email I just wrote to enforcement*sec.gov
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http://www. pinksheets.com/quote/news.jsp?url=fis_story.asp%3Ftextpath%3DCOMTEX%5Cpr%5C2006% 5C09%5C13%5C83135713.html%26clientid%3D168%26provider%3DPR_NEWSWIRE&symbol=CSHD


Quote from above link:

"This stock has been on regulation SHO for 25 consecutive days and it has been confirmed that it has been "Shorted" by an objective "Third Party." To peruse this information please visit http://www.**********, they assert, "the 'Shorting' is over...16,000,000 shares with others estimating the 'Shorting' to be as high as 60,000,000."


CSHD
CONVERSION SOL HLDGS


Short % Increase / Decrease 5377.98 %

Total Shares - Outstanding 62,489,721



From above link also:

"TD Ameritrade (and their subsidiaries) continue to sell shares they don't own, or have the ability to borrow. TD Ameritrade responds not by buying the stock out of the market, to cover their "Shorts," but by refusing their customers their legitimate right to buy more OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD stock. Some Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. supporters have shared their thoughts and feelings on the forum http://www.**************.com, many of whom vow to press litigation against TD Ameritrade for not allowing them to purchase more CSHD stock."


So what's going on? Does TDAmeritrade have to cover those naked shorts or not?...


Concerned.

Thank for you time.

[full name}
==============================================

Please feel free to copy and paste a letter also.. hint-hint...

BB, nothing really "solid" is there....

Have a good weekend all ~
 

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Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
FWIW:

Posted by: abbytraderwin
In reply to: None Date:9/15/2006 11:59:43 PM
Post #of 75606

Did you guys not see the signals this time. Dimmy's first posts of the day. The return of Our-street and Serf said it all. By the way, I even got a threat via PM to see if I was looking to get banned again. I don't know if you guys can see my PM's but Matt should. I didn't get to see all of the fireworks today but expected it from Dimmy's posts. Sunday and Monday will be a hoot. Sunday night's Subpennyradio.com will be interesting I'm sure. Expecting basher takeover. Good thing he knows about Our-street and some of the things that have been going on with this stock.

I guess somebody found more fake DD. More to come. I guess they gave up on the bonds. I think GA is in stealth mode until this is done. I think the same for the real Dr. Mensah. I don't believe any of these people talked to him. I called that number the last time and my perceptions were not totally revealed in my post about the call. Hint, A very close relative spent his career as a GS Supergrade Engineer for the good ol USA in Washington, DC. Ex military and very well traveled and connected to the things that matter most to this country and that few will ever understand. I am seeing more and more of the pieces of this mystery fall into place. I fear this is much bigger than anybody on this board has begun to think. I also don't think the bashers and the money behind them have a clue what they are really dealing with. I'll stop before I go off. Anyway I trust Rufus and Team and I feel sorry for anyone who sold today. I understand if they had to. I hope they are not upset later.

If the bonds are real

If Rufus is honest and true

If the Fund and its PUBLICLY STATED United Nations CAUSE is true

If GA is real(not wether it is with AISS and CSHD)because with the bonds Rufus and Mensah could create any company they wanted to in a day or so, just paper you know. All is forgiven and they start again(If you every believed that they had a problem in the first place). I never bought into that crap anyway. If you had been waiting for a year for 10-20 million dollars, whould you choose now to knife Rufus in the back publicly when he is about to give you what you have wanted in a month or two? Well would you? You would have to believe that Dr. Mensah is of the same emotional disposition as Our-street, Dimmy, and Serfy, to attack Rufus at this time. Maybe that is why the companies and principles cannot be contacted. Is it really about to happen? Now?

BASHERS:

Did you get a corporate accountant to tell you that the bonds(that you first claimed did not exist and that CSHD did not have full rights to the use of them) cannot be booked as assets by CSHD? No you did not!!

Rufus is honest and true

The fund gave the bonds and you do not have clearance to investigate any further than that. Why? You tried, didn't you?

GA no person but a buffoon would think they are not real. Like GM, FORD, etc

If this is so, you have lost and can take a rest. It is over, repeat over. You are only scaring the children, stop it.

CSHD LONGER AND STRONGER STILL -- LET'S ROLL!!!!

IMO


Other board
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Any fails to deliver from short sales that are not effected to

-->hedge pre-existing options positions,<--

and that remain for thirteen consecutive settlement days, are subject to the mandatory close out requirement.
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Frankly..
I think the SEC is just as crooked!
They say no-no, but give big money a HUGE LOOP hole!
 

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Posted by beatheodds on :
 
I know im late on this one but It seems to be a good play, can you give a quick run down of whats going on with this stock. Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
OMG.. JK... this thing is like a nine course meal and we are only on the 6th course right now...
 

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Posted by Peaser on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks

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quote:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
I know im late on this one but It seems to be a good play, can you give a quick run down of whats going on with this stock. Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks

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quote:

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Originally posted by driver4t3:

quote:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
I know im late on this one but It seems to be a good play, can you give a quick run down of whats going on with this stock. Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks

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short term $86.00 long term $200
this is a reverse merger and we are waiting on a 10K, we should have it by EOM.
lots of DD, just follow the thread backwards, must be over 200 pages.
GL

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quote:

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Originally posted by driver4t3:

quote:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
I know im late on this one but It seems to be a good play, can you give a quick run down of whats going on with this stock. Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks

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short term $86.00 long term $200
this is a reverse merger and we are waiting on a 10K, we should have it by EOM.
lots of DD, just follow the thread backwards, must be over 200 pages.
GL

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$86 short term ?


LMAO


I Thou... it was $54 in the RESET


right after the 10k and sb-4


i am missing something here
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by dollar13:

quote:

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Originally posted by driver4t3:

quote:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
I know im late on this one but It seems to be a good play, can you give a quick run down of whats going on with this stock. Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks

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short term $86.00 long term $200
this is a reverse merger and we are waiting on a 10K, we should have it by EOM.
lots of DD, just follow the thread backwards, must be over 200 pages.
GL

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$86 short term ?


LMAO


I Thou... it was $54 in the RESET


right after the 10k and sb-4


i am missing something here

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quote:

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Originally posted by driver4t3:

be nice peas.

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I was being nice, sorry.
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
well, .40 is a long way off from what this board has been discussing, anyway, oh well, I have done my due diligence on this stock, imo it will be more $$ if it were to go my way other then bouncing down to the upper .40c.

 

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Posted by beatheodds on :
 
Wow is this too good to be true? (eventhough Im in SLJB right now)
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
Wow is this too good to be true? (eventhough Im in SLJB right now)

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there are alot of us that believe this is going to happen the way rufus say's. glty, I also hold a position in sljb.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
Wow is this too good to be true? (eventhough Im in SLJB right now)

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Originally posted by dollar13:
yes i read it


BOOK VALUE (1,341,760,000) this 2x


how do you come out with $86 PPS?

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the PR says the book price of the stock as of day of merger is 41.63, it say's that in the pr I will go double check that and post it for you.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i don't have a reset price in mind at all, BTO...

it doesn't matter what they reset it at..
just how it trades after the re-set...
IMO? it would be "unhealthy" to reset it with a heavy short interest hanging over it's head...

dunno how Rufus plans to deal witht that yet, but it'll be interesting...
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
Currently, the Company has 62,000,000 shares outstanding, and simple calculations would assess a current book value for this company, as of today, at approximately $41.93 per share. Then the sum, when multiplied by a minimum of 16,000,000 shares shorted, comes to minimum of $670,880,000. A market analyst concludes this stock may be conservatively valuated at 2x its book value ($1,341,760,000) or put another way, about 4 times greater than TD Ameritrade's last year's net profit.
ooops, 41.93 per share x 2

this is a copy and paste paragragh from the pr on
sept 13th.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
the 62 million shares is from the last 10Q...

IMO? that number should go up by about 40 million shares based on my understanding of the way the Reverse merger is set up...

i know that doesn't match up to Rufus's PR but....
the last PR has not been 8Ked YET...
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
hurry up and wait, the only way we can play this, but man, it's interesting, and fun.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
hurry up and wait, the only way we can play this, but man, it's interesting, and fun.

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
"A market analyst concludes this stock may be conservatively valuated at 2x its book value ($1,341,760,000)"

but looking at thier finacials as of march 06 where is over a billion dollars comming from? They reported under 2 million in march.

"THE FURIA ORGANIZATION, INC. AND SUBSIDIARIES
NOTES TO CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
MARCH 31, 2006
(UNAUDITED)

NOTE 7 - RELATED PARTY TRANSACTIONS - continued

As of December 31, 2005, the Company had opened a brokerage account in which it had reacquired 1,962,000 shares of its common stock for a total consideration of $376,019. During the quarter ended March 31, 2006, the Company acquired 818,405 shares for a total consideration of $243,554.43 and transferred 1,650,000 shares valued at $313,500 for consulting services. At March 31, 2006 the balance of its common stock owned by the Company was 1,130,405 shares valued at $306,222.

NOTE 8 - CAPITAL STOCK

The Company has authorized 200,000,000 common shares with a par value of $0.001 per share. Each common share entitles the holder to one vote, in person or proxy, on any matter on which action of the stockholders of the corporation is sought.

On August 26, 2004, Furia completed the acquisition of Fronthaul, Inc., a privately held Nevada corporation ("Fronthaul"). Furia entered into a definitive acquisition agreement with Fronthaul and its principal shareholders to acquire all of the capital stock of Fronthaul in exchange for the issuance of common and preferred stock of Furia. As a result of the transaction, Fronthaul became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Furia. Fronthaul was incorporated on June 9, 2004. Fronthaul is an Internet-based, business-to-business

information exchange, which provides a centralized database of freight load information accessible by any enabled wireless device or through the Internet. Its objective is to integrate the existing freight industry players with wireless and Internet technologies, creating a dynamic real-time communication exchange for the transportation industry. At the closing, an aggregate of 20,000,000 shares of Furia's Common Stock and 500,000 shares of its Preferred Stock were authorized for issuance to the shareholders of Fronthaul. The Common Stock issued to the shareholders of Fronthaul represented 69.6% of the 28,742,842 shares of its then outstanding post-closing Common Stock.

For the year ended June 30, 2005, an additional 17,479,879 shares of common stock were issued resulting in additional paid-in capital of $1,434,040. This resulted in a total of 46,222,721 shares outstanding with a par value of $46,223.

For the nine months ended March 31, 2006, an additional 16,267,000 shares of common stock were issued for consulting services, which the Company valued at $2,695,055"

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Originally posted by glassman:
i don't have a reset price in mind at all, BTO...

it doesn't matter what they reset it at..
just how it trades after the re-set...
IMO? it would be "unhealthy" to reset it with a heavy short interest hanging over it's head...

dunno how Rufus plans to deal witht that yet, but it'll be interesting...

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I AGREE
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
BTO the company has reverse mergered... the old co's financial figures are mostly irrelevant...

there are some things in there about share structure that are important tho...
 

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Posted by beatheodds on :
 
Yeah i had missed the more recent stuff, but i see now. But can you answer if theres any restrictions on the shares before or after the new value of the shares?
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
Yeah i had missed the more recent stuff, but i see now. But can you answer if theres any restrictions on the shares before or after the new value of the shares?

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
Yeah i had missed the more recent stuff, but i see now. But can you answer if theres any restrictions on the shares before or after the new value of the shares?

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cvsu shares are restricted. 90 days for regular investors, 2 years for officers.
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
GLASS would you buy this stock at $41.93 after the RESET ?


and what would you do with the shares than you already own, after RESET?



 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

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Originally posted by dollar13:
GLASS would you buy this stock at $41.93 after the RESET ?


and what would you do with the shares than you already own, after RESET?

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Originally posted by dollar13:
GLASS would you buy this stock at $41.93 after the RESET ?


and what would you do with the shares than you already own, after RESET?

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Originally posted by sceptor:

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Originally posted by dollar13:
GLASS would you buy this stock at $41.93 after the RESET ?


and what would you do with the shares than you already own, after RESET?

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You have to stop thinking like a pink sheet trader. This stock is destined for nasdaq and needs to be thought of as such. $42 sounds like a lot, but it's real cheap compared to others, and they get bought all the time.

This stock like all stocks must have fundamentals and financials behind it to support anyone buying it.

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pink sheet trader?


NASDAQ? how? when? at what price?
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
go back a few pages and read the "nasdaq requirements"


 

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Posted by sceptor on :
 

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Originally posted by dollar13:
go back a few pages and read the "nasdaq requirements"

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Originally posted by sceptor:

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Originally posted by dollar13:
go back a few pages and read the "nasdaq requirements"

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I am very aware of what is required to list on nasdaq. More so I'll bet than you are aware of cshd's assets at this point.
You should go back a couple months and listen to cshd's plans for the future. They intend on moving to nasdaq. I'll bet they get there faster than most could imagine.

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i would like to read it


got a link?


couple months ago was FHAL..... no CSHD


 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Dollar,
Yeah pretty pumped about this one here all links to previous threadds are at the begining of the thread before it.
Been a crazy ride!!
The bigest part of the rollar coaster is just about to happen. hopefully sooner than later!
Ima
 

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Posted by sceptor on :
 

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Originally posted by dollar13:

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Originally posted by sceptor:

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Originally posted by dollar13:
go back a few pages and read the "nasdaq requirements"

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I am very aware of what is required to list on nasdaq. More so I'll bet than you are aware of cshd's assets at this point.
You should go back a couple months and listen to cshd's plans for the future. They intend on moving to nasdaq. I'll bet they get there faster than most could imagine.

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i would like to read it


got a link?


couple months ago was FHAL..... no CSHD

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go to M N 1 . com and look in their archives.

As for your remark it seems to have bit you in the azz again. A couple of months ago the merger 8-k had already been filed. It was fhal/cvsu at that point, fhal had already been shut down.

You should spend more time DD'ing. Spounting off facts without the knowledge to make them tends to make people look foolish.
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
RUFUS send the 10k and the sb-4 monday and tuesday the price RESET .



 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 

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Originally posted by sceptor:

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Originally posted by dollar13:

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Originally posted by sceptor:

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Originally posted by dollar13:
go back a few pages and read the "nasdaq requirements"

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I am very aware of what is required to list on nasdaq. More so I'll bet than you are aware of cshd's assets at this point.
You should go back a couple months and listen to cshd's plans for the future. They intend on moving to nasdaq. I'll bet they get there faster than most could imagine.

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i would like to read it


got a link?


couple months ago was FHAL..... no CSHD

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go to M N 1 . com and look in their archives.

As for your remark it seems to have bit you in the azz again. A couple of months ago the merger 8-k had already been filed. It was fhal/cvsu at that point, fhal had already been shut down.

You should spend more time DD'ing. Spounting off facts without the knowledge to make them tends to make people look foolish.

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Originally posted by dollar13:

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Originally posted by sceptor:

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Originally posted by dollar13:

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Originally posted by sceptor:

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Originally posted by dollar13:
go back a few pages and read the "nasdaq requirements"

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I am very aware of what is required to list on nasdaq. More so I'll bet than you are aware of cshd's assets at this point.
You should go back a couple months and listen to cshd's plans for the future. They intend on moving to nasdaq. I'll bet they get there faster than most could imagine.

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i would like to read it


got a link?


couple months ago was FHAL..... no CSHD

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go to M N 1 . com and look in their archives.

As for your remark it seems to have bit you in the azz again. A couple of months ago the merger 8-k had already been filed. It was fhal/cvsu at that point, fhal had already been shut down.

You should spend more time DD'ing. Spounting off facts without the knowledge to make them tends to make people look foolish.

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if FHAL was shut down why it was still trading?

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Originally posted by bigstocks:
http://www.venturea.com/shell.htm
Reverse Mergers are with inactive SEC reporting public companies which usually have no assets or liabilities, no current operating history, and SEC qualified audited financials. Generally, Reverse Mergers usually can be completed in approximately three to four months and the expenses range from US$100,000 to $750,000 with many variables

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This one is a bit different in that the "shell" was actually a functioning public company that was spending more than it made. It allowed them to include a restructuring in the merger which gives them the ability to reset the pps.

A very good example of what is happening here is TBV. Look at their 8-k from sept. 04, and also not the price reset.
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
There ya go.
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
sceptor

GOT LINKS?
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
i want to see positives LINKs, because the NEGATIVE links i read then on I HUB .


LMAO



 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 

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Originally posted by dollar13:
i want to see positives LINKs, because the NEGATIVE links i read then on I HUB .


LMAO

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dollar, kinda like uvcl, they are pretty much worthless right now, however they have an LOI to reverse merge with a private company called pure romance which is worth 50 mil. only an LOI so no gaurentee, but if the reverse merge happens, maybe could see a 1 penny a share go to 21 or so.
not uncommon.
 

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Posted by sceptor on :
 
I told you where to look. You need to get your own ride there.
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 

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Originally posted by sceptor:
I told you where to look. You need to get your own ride there.

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LOL


I will, thanks for the links (what links)
LOL
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks

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Short term: A possible bounce in the high .40's within the next month IMO.

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:

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Originally posted by Peaser:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks

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Short term: A possible bounce in the high .40's within the next month IMO.

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DON'T GO THERE MAN!!!

I see it too.... Operative word is POSSIBLE!!!

Anything is.......

Hope we are wrong on the observation.....

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Originally posted by dollar13:

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:

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Originally posted by Peaser:

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Originally posted by beatheodds:
Also whats the expected short term and long term goals of the stock. Thanks

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Short term: A possible bounce in the high .40's within the next month IMO.

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DON'T GO THERE MAN!!!

I see it too.... Operative word is POSSIBLE!!!

Anything is.......

Hope we are wrong on the observation.....

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i hope newbies do their own DD real good about this stock


do not fall on the hype do you own DD, even if it take you weeks to read each post.

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reading the posts are an excellent guide, always good to hit the links also and follow along.
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
i made my mistakes before in other stocks(no names) because i follow the hype and weak DD and i am a bag holder on those now


i am not happy with it


but i learn the lesson.....



 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 


[ September 16, 2006, 20:44: Message edited by: maumee river rat ]
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 

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Originally posted by dollar13:
i made my mistakes before in other stocks(no names) because i follow the hype and weak DD and i am a bag holder on those now


i am not happy with it


but i learn the lesson.....

I think at one time or another we all had a similar start, but lessons learned. I still have a few of those in my accounts, the oldest one is about 8 years old. not even worth a penny.

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
Currently, the Company has 62,000,000 shares outstanding, and simple calculations would assess a current book value for this company, as of today, at approximately $41.93 per share. Then the sum, when multiplied by a minimum of 16,000,000 shares shorted, comes to minimum of $670,880,000. A market analyst concludes this stock may be conservatively valuated at 2x its book value ($1,341,760,000) or put another way, about 4 times greater than TD Ameritrade's last year's net profit.
ooops, 41.93 per share x 2

this is a copy and paste paragragh from the pr on
sept 13th.

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Originally posted by portman:

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
Currently, the Company has 62,000,000 shares outstanding, and simple calculations would assess a current book value for this company, as of today, at approximately $41.93 per share. Then the sum, when multiplied by a minimum of 16,000,000 shares shorted, comes to minimum of $670,880,000. A market analyst concludes this stock may be conservatively valuated at 2x its book value ($1,341,760,000) or put another way, about 4 times greater than TD Ameritrade's last year's net profit.
ooops, 41.93 per share x 2

this is a copy and paste paragragh from the pr on
sept 13th.

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Only FHAL shares were commented on.

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yes pointing out 41.93 to dollar, hope I got that right.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Only FHAL shares were commented on.
it gets frustrating sometimes, repeating and repeating doesn't it?
 

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Posted by portman on :
 
OK, here is some info.

Subpenny Radio is supposedly going to have a recorded interview with a broker from TDA. Personally, I will be very surpised if they do get a broker to be recorded.

I do expect either way for Dogmando (James) to be on and he has a very good understanding of what is going on and has been in FHAL for 2 years. Very good speaker.

This is an interesting Chart Analysis for our chart folks to comment on.

http://www.hotstoc kmarket.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42257&page=503

#5027
 

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Posted by portman on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
Only FHAL shares were commented on.
it gets frustrating sometimes, repeating and repeating doesn't it?

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Originally posted by portman:

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Originally posted by glassman:
Only FHAL shares were commented on.
it gets frustrating sometimes, repeating and repeating doesn't it?

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lol...yeah, the TA is including both and Rufus only includes one.

Prolly more basher fodder when all is done.

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I see what your saying, just looked at pr again..
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
well? it's Rufus's fault...
just like his paltalks and his ihub postings...

crazy chit...
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 
i got my own links i dont need yours LOL


the reason i was saying this was for newbies than want to know about the stock


LMlAO
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
I know it, this has twisted so many different way's already, can hardly wait to see what is up his sleeves, what new tricks he has for us. but there is definitley something brewing. lol
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
nice clean-up dollar, good job.
 

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Posted by dollar13 on :
 

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Originally posted by driver4t3:
nice clean-up dollar, good job.

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I am not a mod , but it is nice to have one than keep the peace.
 

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Posted by driver4t3 on :
 
true, very true.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Here is one "alleged" recorded phone call with them...It is pretty long...and it talks more about the shorting of the stocks near the end of the recording...(it was made way before the CSHD stuff)

According to the this link...that phone conversation the man at TD ameritrade says that you can short "penny stocks with them"..it's in the last 5 minutes...

http://www.ultimateuploads.com/audio/view.php?play=4df42849f3e12a9379065276bbea8 c3d

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Originally posted by portman:
OK, here is some info.

Subpenny Radio is supposedly going to have a recorded interview with a broker from TDA. Personally, I will be very surpised if they do get a broker to be recorded.

I do expect either way for Dogmando (James) to be on and he has a very good understanding of what is going on and has been in FHAL for 2 years. Very good speaker.

This is an interesting Chart Analysis for our chart folks to comment on.

http://www.hotstoc kmarket.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42257&page=503

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Here is one "alleged" recorded phone call with them...It is pretty long...and it talks more about the shorting of the stocks near the end of the recording...(it was made way before the CSHD stuff)

According to the this link...that phone conversation the man at TD ameritrade says that you can short "penny stocks with them"..it's in the last 5 minutes...
I get only a generic page and this url in my address field:

http://www.ultimateuploads.com/index.php?error=5
http://www.ultimateuploads.com/audio/view.php?play=4df42849f3e12a9379065276bbea8 c3d

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Originally posted by portman:
OK, here is some info.

Subpenny Radio is supposedly going to have a recorded interview with a broker from TDA. Personally, I will be very surpised if they do get a broker to be recorded.

I do expect either way for Dogmando (James) to be on and he has a very good understanding of what is going on and has been in FHAL for 2 years. Very good speaker.

This is an interesting Chart Analysis for our chart folks to comment on.

http://www.hotstoc kmarket.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42257&page=503

#5027

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