A suggested lesson plan that calls on school kids to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help President Obama is troubling some education experts, who say it establishes the president as a "superintendent in chief" and may indoctrinate children to support him politically.
Obama will deliver a national address directly to students on Tuesday, which will be the first day of classes for many children across the country. The address, to be broadcast live on the White House's Web site, was announced in a letter to school principals last week by Education Secretary Arne Duncan.
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But in advance of the address, the Department of Education has offered educators "classroom activities" to coincide with Obama's message.
Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to "build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama."
During the speech, "teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful."
Possible activities after the speech include writing "letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president." Teachers are encouraged to follow up on the students' progress in meeting that and other educational goals.
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McCluskey also noted that the lesson plans for young students contain suggestions to write letters to themselves on how they can help the president, but that suggestion is not in the lesson plan for middle and high schoolers -- perhaps due to the likelihood of increased political ties at that age.
Teach the children to support the regime and you only have to wait one generation to be in power...where else have we seen this concept used...hmmm?
Posted by glassman on :
wow, that's friggin scary man.
indoctrination into politics, God forbid that we allow that to happen to our children, next thing you know? they'll be calling him Educator in Cheif or something equally fascist Posted by T e x on :
next thing you know they'll bring back school savings accounts, penmanship, and My Weekly Reader to help with spelling...
Posted by glassman on :
Romney: Obama must be 'educator-in-chief' Former presidential candidate Mitt Romney offers his advice to Barack Obama, and his views on labor unions, federal bailouts, Detroit, protectionism, and America's debts.
quote:Originally posted by T e x: next thing you know they'll bring back school savings accounts, penmanship, and My Weekly Reader to help with spelling...
it's socialism i tell you...
Posted by glassman on :
Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to "build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama.
how dare they enforce research and Due Dilligence upon these poor children Posted by raybond on :
right wing slop for the stupid just like a tea party
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by raybond: right wing slop for the stupid just like a tea party
i liked the three stooges better Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
Are you three serious?
Noone sees any possible issues with the President using the DoE to MANDATE that our children find ways to 'help the President'?
Not the country. Not our communities.
Help the President.
And noone sees anything Orwellian in this?
Would someone explain to me how this ISN'T brainwashing of our youth to favor a specific party or platform?
Posted by raybond on :
you are insane
Posted by glassman on :
Would someone explain to me how this ISN'T brainwashing of our youth to favor a specific party or platform?
please give us a detailed explanation of how it is, since you are the one claiming that it is.
for starters? if you don't remember Bush claiming to be Educator in Cheif, or you didn't read Romney stating the same thing? i have no idea why it suddenly upsets you the Obama might be the same thing...
do you send your children to Church to be indoctrinated? were you Indoctrinated into your Church before Jr High?
the reason i bring it up is because that's real indcotrination.
Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. As such it is used pejoratively. Instruction in the basic principles of science, in particular, can not properly be called indoctrination, in the sense that the fundamental principles of science call for critical self-evaluation and sceptical scrutiny of one's own ideas.
asking kids to do this letter writing to themselves about how they can help the President is not indoctrination UNLESS they tell the kids what to write. then? it might become indoctrination, otherwise it's merely a thinking exersize.
Paranoia is a thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself.
Posted by glassman on :
was Bush "indcotrinating" kids on 9-11?
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. As such it is used pejoratively. Instruction in the basic principles of science, in particular, can not properly be called indoctrination, in the sense that the fundamental principles of science call for critical self-evaluation and sceptical scrutiny of one's own ideas.
I guess that would bring up the argument that what is being taught as science in today's public schools is not in fact science but political propaganda... With glaring exceptions obviously. Much of science class is the basics.. but there are some major political talking points being crammed into our kid's heads that hasn't anything to do with science. I seem to remember a guy on this forum a few years ago who proposed that federal funding of public schools was a road to tyranny. Smart guy.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
WH, Dept of Education Revise Language on Students Outlining How they Can “Help the President"
As one of the preparatory materials for teachers provided by the Department of Education, students had been asked to, "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. “
Today, after Republicans accused the White House of trying to indoctrinate school children with liberal propaganda the White House and the Department of Education changed the section to now read, "Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short‐term and long‐term education goals.”
• As the president speaks, teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful. Students could use a note-taking graphic organizer such as a “cluster web;” or, students could record their thoughts on sticky notes. Younger children could draw pictures and write as appropriate. As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following:
What is the president trying to tell me? What is the president asking me to do? What new ideas and actions is the president challenging me to think about?
• Students could record important parts of the speech where the president is asking them to do something. Students might think about the following:
What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?
Remember, this is for the K-6 children. As far as Glass' indoctrination definition, all they know (with some exceptions) is that this is supposed to be the ultimate secular authority asking them to do something (whatever that is). They don't have any life experience basis to question whether it is good or not. It's like asking a kindergartner to decide whether their teacher is giving them a good education. They can't. They simply take what is given as 'right.'
For the 7-12 plan, here is a snippet... •Is President Obama inspiring you to do anything? Is he challenging you to do anything? •What do you believe are the challenges of your generation? •How can you be a part of addressing these challenges?
Until Tuesday this is only conjecture, but here is my concern. I have no issue with the President challenging kids to stay in school and get an education. Worthy goals. What I am worried is that now that Rammussen is showing that Obama is striking out with adults (falling favorability numbers) he's now seeking to go for the children by teaching\'challenging' them that his path\beliefs are the only way to 'save' the country.
Posted by T e x on :
sounds as though they're being challenged to think rather than merely accepting the hate-memes coming from those who want Wall Street/insurance/Big Oil/etc to retain ultimate power and obscene profit.
SF, do you really beleive this was an issue worthy of debate?
the real point of the exersize is to make kids aware that if they do their homework and go to school? that even a black man can be president in America now.
here is my concern. I have no issue with the President challenging kids to stay in school and get an education. Worthy goals. What I am worried is that now that Rammussen is showing that Obama is striking out with adults (falling favorability numbers) he's now seeking to go for the children by teaching\'challenging' them that his path\beliefs are the only way to 'save' the country.
i would hardly call Rassmussen polls an authority on the presidents favorability.
Rassmussen consitently polls a a very narrow segemnt of the population.
for instance? this is from their site today:
Last fall, during the Bush Administration, voters overwhelmingly opposed the bailout plans for banks but the bailout went ahead. Earlier this year, voters overwhelmingly opposed the federal takeover of General Motors and Chrysler, but they went ahead as well. Two-thirds of American voters (64%) support a law requiring the federal government to sell its interest in GM within one year.
claiming that Two-thirds of American voters (64%) support a law requiring the federal government to sell its interest in GM within one year, is propaganda in an of itself.
Rassmussusen polls fox friends in order to create statistics to convince fox friends that they are somehow in the mainstream
fox friends likes to claim they are the number two cable channel for the same reason, if two people think somehting? it must be right, so the more that think it? the more right they are.
i watched how fox friends tried to make some sort of case out of the white house emailing people last month too..
well its all a bunch of horse manure just like this situation is.
fox friends is becoming so "fringe" that reasonable people are becoming somewhat alarmed at how many people are drinking their kool-aid.
the health care plan? the death panels? people actually beleived that stuff? it was a benefit that doctors could charge for, it had no provisions for review panels.
and the real reason we won't see health care reform if it doesn't happen? it's because people already on medicare (single payer coverage) will have killed it, and most of 'em have no clue what they are even against
look thru the pictures of those town meetings of people yelling. that's who was there. medicare recipients, fox friends literally scared out of their minds.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
With 51% job approval, Barack Obama is now close to falling below the majority support level, and could do so at a faster rate than did all but two other post-World War II presidents. Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: You don't like Rasmussen, Glass? Try Gallup:
With 51% job approval, Barack Obama is now close to falling below the majority support level, and could do so at a faster rate than did all but two other post-World War II presidents.
I notice alot of your posts, and articles you post, seem to have alot of caveats. If, could, possibly, maybe, etc. Just odd. Fear mongering maybe?
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
Fearmongering? No, P. Acknowlegments that neither I nor the sources I quote are omnicient.
All I (or anyone else) can do is attempt to look at each item as it may relate to others and draw a conclusion based on previous instances. As for the Gallup 'could', that is based on trends.
Obama could find the cure for cancer tomorrow. That would raise his approval rating for sure.
Lacking that...it will in all likelyhood follow the current trend...down.
Posted by Pagan on :
Oh I understand now SF. Opinions and innuendoes. The GOP trademark.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
As opposed to Democratic facts and omnicience, yes?
Facts?
It was a FACT that the world was flat at one point, Pagan.
It was a FACT that the Earth was the center of the universe.
Fact is merely what is currently known. When information comes out that improves upon or changes our understanding of something it then becomes the fact.
If you disagree with my position, please feel free to share some of the Dem FACTS and omnicience, Pagan. I await your enlightenment.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
Just curious, P.
Do you contend that Gallup and Rasmussen are wrong?
That Obama's favorability in the country is actually improving and noone is noticing?
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: As opposed to Democratic facts and omnicience, yes?
Facts?
It was a FACT that the world was flat at one point, Pagan.
It was a FACT that the Earth was the center of the universe.
Fact is merely what is currently known. When information comes out that improves upon or changes our understanding of something it then becomes the fact.
If you disagree with my position, please feel free to share some of the Dem FACTS and omnicience, Pagan. I await your enlightenment.
See...that's where you are wrong. Those things you mention were "beliefs", not "facts". Kinda like your blind faith in all things GOP. No facts, just mindless faith and blather.
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Just curious, P.
Do you contend that Gallup and Rasmussen are wrong?
That Obama's favorability in the country is actually improving and noone is noticing?
You rely exclusively on polls for facts? LMAO. You do realize we are a nation of 300MM people, yet those polls sample maybe 1k people per poll. Weak argument there SF.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Just curious, P.
Do you contend that Gallup and Rasmussen are wrong?
That Obama's favorability in the country is actually improving and noone is noticing?
actually SF, i was making a completely different point.
Rassmussen and fox friends are both self-serving entities with a clear political agenda.
i am pointing out to you that you are being indoctrinated by them while they accuse Obama of attempting to indoctrinate their kids.
do you not see the absurdity here?
Obama's job aproval rating has dropped in specific response to the "death panel claims" and the "it's a conspiracy to email the public via the white house" claims..
i used to get (regular) mail from the Reagan and the Bush the First white house and never thought a thing about it.
suddenly it's "spooky" that the white house sends people unsolicited emails? or the white house has a back to school presentation for kids?
Bush the first did the same thing.
look, this is insanity. and fox and friends are perpetuating this stuff constantly..
by convincing each other that their paranoia is predicated on some sort of factual reality? they enhance it.
the ultimate political test for sanity should be "Would i be upset if MY chosen preference in a candidate did this?"
if you can't answer that question with an honest yes? then you should ignore it.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
Pagan, the polls are quoted by both sides specifically to boost their point and counter the opponents'.
I ask again, do you contend that Obama is getting MORE popular among americans in contrast to the polls' data?
And in regard to the beliefs vs. facts comment? Prior to data that showed them to be incorrect, those statements were generally held to be factually accurate. Only once data showed them to be wrong did opinions change and they were no longer held as 'true'.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
Glass,
I have a question for you. Why is it that everytime someone brings up something that doesn't support 'Obama the Wise' it's blamed on Fox?
Now, I'm not saying that Fox doesn't stretch things to fit their political agenda, but think about this for a minute. How many news networks exist other than Fox? How many of them could find facts to contradict anything that Fox distorts and then publish them to make a counter argument?
Why is it that in the current health debate everyone assumes that only crazy people listen to Fox and yet the Dem's are petrified to simply steam roll their way through congress with their bill?
Why is it that if Fox is the only outlet spouting 'lies and propaganda' that noone is able to sway public opinion in the current bill's favor?
Is it lack of audience? Is it lack of message? Is it lack of eloquence?
What is lacking in EVERY OTHER OUTLET that lets Fox sway opinion like many claim they do?
Posted by Pagan on :
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Pagan, the polls are quoted by both sides specifically to boost their point and counter the opponents'.
I ask again, do you contend that Obama is getting MORE popular among americans in contrast to the polls' data?
And in regard to the beliefs vs. facts comment? Prior to data that showed them to be incorrect, those statements were generally held to be factually accurate. Only once data showed them to be wrong did opinions change and they were no longer held as 'true'.
That's my point SF. Even in the light of facts, the blind faithful(GOP) still believe. Thanks for making my point more clear.
I never put much stock in polls, you'd be wise to do the same. The sampling is too small and usually a bit biased.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Glass,
I have a question for you. Why is it that everytime someone brings up something that doesn't support 'Obama the Wise' it's blamed on Fox?
Now, I'm not saying that Fox doesn't stretch things to fit their political agenda, but think about this for a minute. How many news networks exist other than Fox? How many of them could find facts to contradict anything that Fox distorts and then publish them to make a counter argument?
Why is it that in the current health debate everyone assumes that only crazy people listen to Fox and yet the Dem's are petrified to simply steam roll their way through congress with their bill?
Why is it that if Fox is the only outlet spouting 'lies and propaganda' that noone is able to sway public opinion in the current bill's favor?
Is it lack of audience? Is it lack of message? Is it lack of eloquence?
What is lacking in EVERY OTHER OUTLET that lets Fox sway opinion like many claim they do?
LOL.. i look at YOUR posts for the references and they are always fox friends.
are you telling me that you believe the death panels rumors that FOX started?
we've discussed one aspect of health care reform here only.
that is whether a public option would be good or not.
do you deny that it is medicare recipients that have appeared in town halls over and over again shaking their fists?
i could sit here all day long and post and refute the lies fox disseminates, they just don't stop doing it. it's like trying to stop a tidal wave.
as for why the Dems are/were trying to do things in bipartisan way? that's their choice.
i am not a democrat. i have in the past been a republican but i am 100% disgusted at what has happened to the party by the likes of fox and limbugger.
i hear and see them lying non-stop, and i refuse to accept this as politics as usual or acceptable. i will not lie to support my own political beleifs.
How many of them could find facts to contradict anything that Fox distorts and then publish them to make a counter argument?
they do, the problem is that the "angry people" do not listen to them anymore. i've seen plenty of discrediting of the lies...
Posted by T e x on :
Is it lack of audience? Is it lack of message? Is it lack of eloquence?
I sent that link in a group e-mail this morning and moments ago got a reply from a person who works in the benefits office of city with nearly 20,000 municipal employees. Here's an excerpt:
quote:It's so coincidental you included me on your group e-mail. One of my job assignments for the last few months has been to read and summarize the draft health care reform bills coming out of the house and senate as well as keep up with media reports. This interview really nails the problem Obama has with making changes to the status quo.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
Glass, of course alot of them are from Fox. Just as 90% of posts that were anti-Bush during his term were CNN\MSNBC. It's simply a matter of supporting viewpoints. If you're conservative\GoP(not the same thing) Fox is the station that caters to that view. If you're liberal\Dem(same as before, not the same) then you're likely to be courted by CNN\MSNBC.
It's simply who's dishing dirt on whom.
quote:are you telling me that you believe the death panels rumors that FOX started?
Are you telling me that government run healthcare as it currently exist ISN'T being rationed? I posted the link to the broadcast that showed cancer care being denied by the state 'panel'.
quote:do you deny that it is medicare recipients that have appeared in town halls over and over again shaking their fists?
Of course not. I think they have a right to be afraid but I think their concern is focused on the wrong issue. Adding 50 million people to an already burdened system can only diminish the care they are currently getting but simply changing one system for another by itself shouldn't hurt them.
quote:as for why the Dems are/were trying to do things in bipartisan way? that's their choice.
Let's be honest on this one. They can't even get their own people to line up and bow at this altar to force it through and they sure as hell want to share the blame with the Repubs when this all goes south.
Posted by raybond on :
I would rather have my kids listen to a speach by Obama anyday than a fascist pig like bush no need to go into any long debate if there ever was a move tward brainwashing look no further than Bush,Rove,and the works of Cheney. All news cast and speaking was very planned no protestors anywhere in sight and a bunch of thugs running security that escorted anybody out for asking the wrong question
Posted by glassman on :
If you're conservative\GoP(not the same thing) Fox is the station that caters to that view. If you're liberal\Dem(same as before, not the same) then you're likely to be courted by CNN\MSNBC.
try CNN/MSNBC/CBS/ABC/ and NBC, or in fact, everybody else, including Public TV/Radio.
caters? yeah, that's a good word, catering news equals propaganda. tell people what they want to hear, train them to not hear anything that doesn't cater to their needs. sheeesh.. the truth is not important anyway.
Bush was given a free pass for a couple of years after 9-11. it wasn't until Katrina that the "liberal" media "turned" on him.
Posted by T e x on :
It's simply who's dishing dirt on whom.
Watch that Moyers interview. The guy dishing dirt? Use to be a top PR guy for CIGNA...
Posted by glassman on :
I think they have a right to be afraid but I think their concern is focused on the wrong issue. Adding 50 million people to an already burdened system can only diminish the care they are currently getting but simply changing one system for another by itself shouldn't hurt them.
never mind that medicare-medicaid takes all of the unprofitable health insurance customers of the for profit insurance co's off books for them huh? or that hospitals just charge those of US with insurance for the care they give for free to those that don't have the money? cuz that's what's really happening.
i pointed this out to you before, as a Captialist, i recognise as FACT that for profit insurance companies can onl;y operate at a profit by getting rid of anybody that they cannot profitably cover, hence they do not want anybody that actually requires serious health care. that's why medicare/medicaid is doomed, because the for profit insurance co's are SUBSIDIZED by medicare medicaid.
those poor people went to those town halls angry because they are getting care at a super bargain now, and they are the only ones. soon? you will see more and more middle class people that can't get health care anymore too.
the last time health care reform was defeated? health care costs skyrocketed. watch and learn. BTW? i never supported hillarycare in any way shape or form.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
Glass, caters is the key word, I agree. I used it specifically because there is NO unbiased news outlet anymore. It's all commentary. Look at Mathews and Olberman on MSNBC, look at O'Reily and Beck on Fox, look at any of the commentary programs on any network.
Once news became not what happened, but what happened and why it hurts\helps you, we lost something important.
Raybond...there are more news pages than just ThinkProgress.Org....remember that....
Tex...I will check it out once I get home. Video restrictions here.
Posted by glassman on :
Glass, caters is the key word, I agree. I used it specifically because there is NO unbiased news outlet anymore. It's all commentary. Look at Mathews and Olberman on MSNBC, look at O'Reily and Beck on Fox, look at any of the commentary programs on any network.
dude, this what i've been trying to tell you, you made a mistake right off when you called them news providers.
none of those people are journalists, they are entertainers.
Beck? i listened to the first part of his show while i was working on one of my furnaces today.
i'm getting ready for the weather to cool down.
Beck is nothing but an "indoctrinator", his work leaves me almost speechless, his line of propaganda is insidious because he sets there and claims he's the only person not "indoctrinating".
O'reilly? he's not so bad, he at least presents his OPINIONS as opinions. he even became skeptical of Bush long before the others did. i was actually surprised when he did it.
Hannity? the guy is just not righ tin his head
Matthews is about the same as O'reilly, he has an open position and he makes no claims to being unbiased
Olberman? he's a former sportscaster and he also presents his show as entertainment.
are you willing to accept that we will see health care become out of the cost reach of the average American in our lifetime (just as housing almost did,) because a few media outlets can make decent living off of confusing people so badly that it paralyses the Govt?
i'm serious. i don't care to have single payer health care, the only reason i've ever chimed in on this is because i can't stand to see all the lies they keep spreading. of course there's going to be more rationing if we don't fix this now. we cannot afford to keep going the way we are going.
again? i ask you if (three years ago)GW Bush were to be giving a speech to the nations school kids urging the kids to stay in school because they will make more money and it will help the nation in the long run, would you be posting this thread?
so what if they have a reading/writing assignment after...
this is not indoctrination
i recall people responding favorably to Bush telling them it was their patriotic duty to go shopping, and he and the congress GAVE them free money to do it...
few complained. a few here gave me a hard time for complaining about it, and i did.
Posted by raybond on :
Said well glass,
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Glass, caters is the key word, I agree. I used it specifically because there is NO unbiased news outlet anymore. It's all commentary. Look at Mathews and Olberman on MSNBC, look at O'Reily and Beck on Fox, look at any of the commentary programs on any network.
dude, this what i've been trying to tell you, you made a mistake right off when you called them news providers.
none of those people are journalists, they are entertainers.
Beck? i listened to the first part of his show while i was working on one of my furnaces today.
i'm getting ready for the weather to cool down.
Beck is nothing but an "indoctrinator", his work leaves me almost speechless, his line of propaganda is insidious because he sets there and claims he's the only person not "indoctrinating".
O'reilly? he's not so bad, he at least presents his OPINIONS as opinions. he even became skeptical of Bush long before the others did. i was actually surprised when he did it.
Hannity? the guy is just not righ tin his head
Matthews is about the same as O'reilly, he has an open position and he makes no claims to being unbiased
Olberman? he's a former sportscaster and he also presents his show as entertainment.
are you willing to accept that we will see health care become out of the cost reach of the average American in our lifetime (just as housing almost did,) because a few media outlets can make decent living off of confusing people so badly that it paralyses the Govt?
i'm serious. i don't care to have single payer health care, the only reason i've ever chimed in on this is because i can't stand to see all the lies they keep spreading. of course there's going to be more rationing if we don't fix this now. we cannot afford to keep going the way we are going.
again? i ask you if (three years ago)GW Bush were to be giving a speech to the nations school kids urging the kids to stay in school because they will make more money and it will help the nation in the long run, would you be posting this thread?
so what if they have a reading/writing assignment after...
this is not indoctrination
i recall people responding favorably to Bush telling them it was their patriotic duty to go shopping, and he and the congress GAVE them free money to do it...
few complained. a few here gave me a hard time for complaining about it, and i did.
well posted...
and, I gotta tell ya, once again I'm kinda slow on this stuff. For instance, I don't even unnerstan the slang for "single payer."
What I *do* get is this: certain things should be exempt from the overhead of Wall Street bonuses-- running water in a city; electricity/gas; hospital care; street repair; fire departments; police (be great if police were Peace Officers); and free compost/mulch from the city agency best available to deliver.
PS: appears to me that SF is avoiding my invitations to a healthy debate.
Posted by raybond on :
beck and hannity I might as well get my 2 cents in.
neither one of them could get laid even with a vett and ten grand in there pocket
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
quote:PS: appears to me that SF is avoiding my invitations to a healthy debate.
ROFLMAO
Patience my southern friend, our debate took a back seat to Dora the Explorer dominoes with my kids last night. Sorry, it's that priorities thing.
Watched the video this morning before work (35 minutes!) and printed the transcript to re-read it at work. What part did you want to discuss?
I personally feel that Potter is being a little disingenuous about how he all of a sudden 'saw the light,' but I'll leave that alone for now.
Posted by raybond on :
If you are talking about health care reform nothing is needed in this country more since we have a complete failure of the private sector to insure and get coverage to the country as a matter of fact just the oppsite the percent of the people they cover is shrinking. The percent of every dollar they take in that goes to claims is shrinking the percent of claims they approve is shrinking.
We are not going to get rid of the private sector health care and most people don't want to including me I think they need a little bit of good old fashion compettion to keep them honest. And from a moral standpoint we need to get health care to the millions that need it and most of them will pay what they can for it and the country will be better off for it.
Most things that were right for people had to be fought for in the streets at the coast of blood from the beginning of this country. And that includes the Bill of Rights at the threat of counter revolution,was granted
There was a time if you were for a forty hour work week and child labor you were labled a commie
If you were for social security and disability work mans comp you were labled a commie.
If you fought for your country and were promissed 300 dollars and asked for it when it did not come your answer was hot lead.
So when fighting for anything that is moral and just takes time and blood. the answer is to go out in the street and show how the nation feels.Maybe not now but the time is shortly coming from a historical point of view we will be ready to move when the population does.A system that is built on the profit motive that is greedy and driven to give less care to control more all on the fear of sickness is immoral and won't last for ever.
Posted by Relentless. on :
Prepared Remarks of President Barack Obama Back to School Event
Arlington, Virginia September 8, 2009
The President: Hello everyone – how’s everybody doing today? I’m here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we’ve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I’m glad you all could join us today. I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it’s your first day in a new school, so it’s understandable if you’re a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you’re in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could’ve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning. I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning. Now I wasn’t too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I’d fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I’d complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster." So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I’m here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I’m here because I want to talk with you about your education and what’s expected of all of you in this new school year. Now I’ve given a lot of speeches about education. And I’ve talked a lot about responsibility. I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn. I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox. I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve. But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed. And that’s what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself. Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide. Maybe you could be a good writer – maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper – but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor – maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine – but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team. And no matter what you want to do with your life – I guarantee that you’ll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You’re going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can’t drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it. And this isn’t just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you’re learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future. You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy. We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country. Now I know it’s not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork. I get it. I know what that’s like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn’t always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn’t fit in. So I wasn’t always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I’m not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse. But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn’t have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country. Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don’t have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there’s not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don’t feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren’t right. But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying. Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future. That’s what young people like you are doing every day, all across America. Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn’t speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez. I’m thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who’s fought brain cancer since he was three. He’s endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer – hundreds of extra hours – to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he’s headed to college this fall. And then there’s Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she’s on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college. Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren’t any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same. That’s why today, I’m calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education – and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe you’ll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you’ll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you’ll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you’ll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don’t feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter. Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it. I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things. But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try. That’s OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. JK Rowling’s first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." These people succeeded because they understand that you can’t let your failures define you – you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying. No one’s born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You’re not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don’t hit every note the first time you sing a song. You’ve got to practice. It’s the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it’s good enough to hand in. Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Don’t be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don’t know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust – a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor – and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals. And even when you’re struggling, even when you’re discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you – don’t ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country. The story of America isn’t about people who quit when things got tough. It’s about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best. It’s the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other. So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country? Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you’ve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don’t let us down – don’t let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it. Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
Posted by glassman on :
OMG, i've been INDOCTRINATED
where do i hire a good deprogrammmer on my budget? Posted by Relentless. on :
Other than claiming it was the federal government's job to fix local schools I really don't see what all the hubub is about?
Posted by glassman on :
welcome to the propaganda machine called "conservative talk radio". Glen Beck in particualr has been going crazy with his fearmongering.
it's not about "facts" anymore it's about "possibilities"...
i've posted this question several times now without response:
again? i ask you if (three years ago)GW Bush were to be giving a speech to the nations school kids urging the kids to stay in school because they will make more money and it will help the nation in the long run, would you be posting this thread?
in fact George the First did give this same basic speech, and i think every president should every year.
Beck is on right now rerunning a show called the death of small business, and how the govt is destroying small businesses.
of course? he refuses to address the fact that American workers cannot compete with the conversion rate of the Chinese Yuan, or that one of his guests, the CEO of Overstock, was the victim of naked short selling while the govt just looked the other way and allowed the co. and shareholders to be robbed blind.
no, facts have become too inconvenient, and God forbid that the President should have any 1st ammendment rights since he's not a Libertarian...
half the people on his show are complaining that the govt helps big business and not small business, well duh, that's been pretty obvious for years now, that the govt is owned by big business.
Posted by Relentless. on :
No he wouldn't be posting this thread... Bdgee would... or any of the other "Lefties" on this board.
That's your answer... And we both know it's right.
Posted by thinkmoney on :
"I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn." Again, as in most speeches it is about the I -Obama - it isnt about him - and that is the key problem is his approach to all issues - it is not about him -
Is the above a joke? Obama is working hard to send my kids to school, etc... BS --He hasnt done squat to help me- we the parents are working HARD to make our children's education and dreams be a reality - actually we go private so Obama and govt are making it harder for me-
And, indoctrinating kids to a secular values vs values parents choose -- Christian or Jewish , etc...
Actually, some of the speech offended me cause it was not geared to our family values - My kids if they were to see the message would not understand why the gist is to stay in school, like it is a problem - my kids love to learn, etc... Yes, many kids in USA have those issues but it is because the parents who dont parent the children. And, it these cases, these parents want GOVT to parent the children, hence indoctrinate.
I do not want Obama to teach or give the speech of education' values to my children cause he is not their parent. I take offense for the prez to think his role should have any influence on my kids. The parents are responsible for their kids. He is a president and should be the leader taking on national security issues- being a servant hence represent americans. It is not about him but america. Put you time in leading america back to work and defending this land ---
Now, we do have FREE speech so he can say all he wants but he should not use the pulpit of presidncy to espouse his opinions ---and try to influenc kids - IT is not HIS job -
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote: The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.
Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.
With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."
Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."
That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."
Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.
Here's your answer, Glass.
Posted by glassman on :
and so it goes. the political pendulum swings back and forth, endlessly going nowhere Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
I give Obama a B-Minus on the speech. He gets points for not targeting specific issues as being priorities (part of my concern about the speech before) but he loses points for not forseeing the sh!tstorm that would arise from his adressing the kids in the first place (see Relentless' link for previous attempt to talk to kids without parental approval).
The 'inartful' wording of the DoE letter that probably set many people off didn't help, but in a politically polarized country like ours, you just can't go and talk to minors without parents getting jumpy if they don't support you. (shrug)
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
I am surprised you let yourself watch considering your fear that his insidious subliminal messages are capable of inserting liberal attitudes. Can I ask, have you had any homosexual urges since you watched the address? Just curious.
This '****storm' that you talk about is aptly named. But the **** belongs square in the faces of those who kicked up the storm. I watched presidential addresses many times while I was growing. Even Reagan (gasp!)and I turned out just fine without my parents having to sign a wavier saying it was ok for me to watch the FREAKIN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
Just how deep is that hole you are shoving your kids heads into?
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
quote:I am surprised you let yourself watch...
ROFL
Getting touchy on some of these things, aren't we Big?
Let me give you an example of 'fact based spin'...
Several months ago, I guess Sean Hannity got on tv with some guest and offered to be waterboarded for charity. (FACT)
A couple of nights later apparently, Keith Olberman offered to donate $1000 a second that Hannity was waterboarded. (FACT)
Now...two possible 'spins' can be used on this story and both are completely factually based...
1) Olberman is willing to donate generously to charity!
2) Olberman is willing to pay to watch people be tortured!
Do you see the difference? Both are completely accurate. Both are 'true'. Yet simply by stating one facet of the facts you completely change the perceived intent of Olberman.
The English language can be nuanced as to promote any of a myriad of ideas simply in how things are phrased. I have no problem with my children watching the President as long as I'm available for any questions they might have. That's why when its on prime time they can watch it with me and we can discuss it as a family and answer anything they will want to know.
I don't think anyone here will argue that it was the 'inartful' wording in the (original) DoE letter that set the stage for this. And whether you agree with him or not, asking small children to find ways to 'help the president' when their parents may not like\agree with his goals is asking for drama.
Unlike some...(cough) Demi and Ashton(cough)...I don't want my children to pledge to be servants to the President...no matter if it's an R or a D after his name.
Posted by glassman on :
Do you see the difference? Both are completely accurate. Both are 'true'. Yet simply by stating one facet of the facts you completely change the perceived intent of Olberman.
yea but the real truth behind the story was that Hannity denied it was torture, and said it was no big deal. then he didn't live up to his own statements. just like the rest of the chumps on TV these days.
Hannity woulda been saying anything the questioner wanted him to say within ten minutes maybe less.
and that IMO is what is really wrong in/with America today.
you mentioned the Purity of the Constitution recently. is torture a part of the "purity"?
Hannity has no credibility, Beck has no credibility limbugger has no credibility yet they get paid fantastic sums of money to do, well, to do what exactly? talk chit?
their lack of credibility, while claiming to be leaders of a political "philosphy" destroys the credibility of the philosophy.
do not mistake my comment for defense of liberalism, i'm trying to fix "conservatism" here, and it will not be accomplished by lying to people.
Posted by Relentless. on :
I think SF has a fairly decent point here. In these times where our country is quite realistically being turned into a police state in a global hierarchy we need to do everything we can to keep our kid's brains focused on reality. We need to be careful of what they ingest mentally almost to a point of paranoia. While I didn't find a whole lot of flaw with Obama's speech, I did still find that the subliminal message was government owns you... That's something I would wish to buffer when and if mine wishes to watch a presidential address over sponge bob.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
quote:yea but the real truth behind the story was that Hannity denied it was torture, and said it was no big deal. then he didn't live up to his own statements. just like the rest of the chumps on TV these days.
All true, Glass. But not the point of the example.
Both statements are 100% true. But both are transmitting a different view of the events that would lead someone to believe either Olberman was generous or depraved. Both are supported by the 'facts'.
This is why politics is 10% position and 90% diction.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Not touchy just completely floored by the continuing and constant barrage of disrespect I am seeing.
You want to message control...that is fine with me. But teach your kids to have the respect to stop and listen when the leader of the free world is taking an hour out of his day to address them specifically. Your message control can start at the dinner table that night with "So...what did you do at school today?" P.S. What is wrong about your son or daughter thinking about how he can help the president of the United States? I'd like to know your specific objection to that thought. Before you answer I'd like you to tell me if there was a chance in hell that your son was gonna pledge to be a servant of Obamanation if he had watched that address in school (with the original DOE title even).
And yes before you use it as a rejoinder, I disrespected president Bush plenty while he was in office. But I still tuned in to listen to him speak and when I complained about him it was about REAL things that HAD happened. Not LIES and INNUENDOS and prognostications of doom based on one comment made a decade ago.
A lot of people sitting on the right side of the isle are on some serious hallucinogens right now. I keep waiting and keep waiting for someone other than McCain to tell em to turn down the dial a little but the only time it happens is when a republican gets so caught up in the fervor of rabid opposition that he calls the president a liar to his face during a speech aired on primetime nationalized tv. If that's the best the republican party has to offer than flush em all down the toilet and bring back the whigs or something.
As to your example?
Spin the facts every which way you want. The broth boils down to this. Olbermann wanted to see if Hannity would put his money where his mouth was after he made that statement. Seems he wouldn't. But you are still gonna be more inclined to believe what Hannity says over Olberman now aren't ya? More interested in hearing what you want to hear than in listening to a reputable source.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
quote:But you are still gonna be more inclined to believe what Hannity says over Olberman now aren't ya? More interested in hearing what you want to hear than in listening to a reputable source.
Please for the love of all that's holy, tell me that you don't consider Olberman a 'reputable source' Big!!
As for Hannity, I don't watch him and he's not on the talk radio station here so I can't even tell you IF I agree with him. (shrug) Sorry.
My entire use of the two is to show that ANY speech made by ANYONE can be factually accurate and still be entirely biased. It's all in the words used.
Let's go back to the original wording in the DoE letter:
The teacher was to help the kids study previous presidents as well as Obama. Do you think that in no way shape or form, the study of Obama would NOT have included his goals\prioities? Be honest with yourself. Of course it would. Now, take that with the goals that the student was to write on how they could help the President...presumably with things the President wants done.
Now, we have 'educated' the kids (emphasis on KIDS) about what the President's goals are...we've 'instructed' them to choose goals to strive towards (that are in line with the President's priorites) and we'll be following up on how well they are accomplishing them.
If you think that this is all paranoia (which I presume you and other will) re-read the second edition of the DoE letter from the link I posted. Except for the 'help the President' part, all of the rest of this is still in it.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Olberman? Nah...lol I like most of the nation prefer Stewart, Colbert, and Leno. (sigh)
Truth be told I only know of the exchange because it was highlighted on CNN. CNN I watch a lot (comes with the job description).
OK so your point is that spin happens. Do you really think the President of the United States is gonna Swift Boat your kids? Or maybe you think the public education system saw it as an opportunity to liberalize yer kids? Which one are you more afraid of?
And do you really think you have a legitimate point here? Anything they are taught from Science to Math to Church to how to mow the lawn correctly is going to be imparted with the bias of the one who is talking. That is the way things work. No matter how any letter was formatted those who used it as an excuse to pressure a school into not airing the speech or exempting their kids from watching it just taught their children to fear the president and not to tolerate different viewpoints and ideas. How is that a good thing in any way, shape, or form?
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
It will be on all the Top 40 Billboards by Dec!!!
Song 1: Mm, mmm, mm! Barack Hussein Obama
He said that all must lend a hand To make this country strong again Mmm, mmm, mm! Barack Hussein Obama
He said we must be fair today Equal work means equal pay Mmm, mmm, mm! Barack Hussein Obama
He said that we must take a stand To make sure everyone gets a chance Mmm, mmm, mm! Barack Hussein Obama
He said red, yellow, black or white All are equal in his sight Mmm, mmm, mm! Barack Hussein Obama
Yes! Mmm, mmm, mm Barack Hussein Obama
Song 2: Hello, Mr. President we honor you today! For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!"
Hooray, Mr. President! You're number one! The first black American to lead this great nation!
Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans To make this country's economy number one again!
Hooray Mr. President, we're really proud of you! And we stand for all Americans under the great Red, White, and Blue!
So continue ---- Mr. President we know you'll do the trick So here's a hearty hip-hooray ----
Hip, hip hooray! Hip, hip hooray! Hip, hip hooray!
Posted by glassman on :
i can hear the Osmonds singing it now, a little bit country a little bit rock-n-roll
should make 'em a fortune.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
BAH!!!
A pox on you Glass for bringing them up...
There is nothing country NOR rock and roll about either one!!
Posted by glassman on :
yeah but it's a perfect pair of tunes for them...
or maybe the Captain and Tenille
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
Nah, since we're apparently teaching it to second graders , maybe Hannah Montana or another Disney group.
Posted by glassman on :
yeah and as the article says, if yu read the whole thing? the kids made up the songs themselves.. hardly a masterplan:
"Alteredbeat" told FOXNews.com that he reached out to Carney-Nunes, who insisted that the program had been filmed in June as part of a Father's Day tribute to President Obama. "The kids made up the songs on their own," she wrote, according to the YouTube user.
even here in MS where Obama was hardly given any chance from day one by adults? school kids liked him.
Posted by T e x on :
Well, hell--he's inherently "likeable." That's part of the problem. I "like" him: I'd much rather hang out with him, shoot some baskets, talk books...than I would like to have a beer or a jog with W or a quail hunt with Cheney or a target shoot with Blackwater mercs.
Even Glenn Beck told Katie he thinks Obama is better for the country than McCain would've been (based on Beck's reaction to Roosevelt).
BUT, what you get with "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" is, dare I say it?
A rookie.
The time was ripe for market reform. Now? It's slipping away, like "sands through the hourglass" almost as if we're watching a soap-opera trainwreck.
He should've gone after "the nexxus" as an expose from the bully pulpit, from THE BIG DOG's CHAIR--as though he had known some of this stuff as a Senator but didn't know what to do with that knowledge BUT *now that he's Prez* he's come to realize the incestuous, dirty-nasty connections that allow in one drawn-out, racing breath the commonality among GVRP, CMKX, et al; Enron, et al; why NASDAQ/NASD became NASDAQ-NYSE-FINRA; why oil spikes inversely to "supply-demand"...
and so on.
It was a rookie mistake to go after health care, hard and fast.
Market reform was a plum, waiting to not only be picked but to be dropped into his outreached hand.
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: yeah and as the article says, if yu read the whole thing? the kids made up the songs themselves.. hardly a masterplan:
"Alteredbeat" told FOXNews.com that he reached out to Carney-Nunes, who insisted that the program had been filmed in June as part of a Father's Day tribute to President Obama. "The kids made up the songs on their own," she wrote, according to the YouTube user.
even here in MS where Obama was hardly given any chance from day one by adults? school kids liked him.
I did read that, Glass, and I don't believe a word of it. Sorry, but that excuse is worse than 'the Devil made me do it.'
Posted by glassman on :
well, Fox reported it that way, so it must be true
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