Did I hit you with a slap of reality and you dont like what you see? Of course, someone with the name of Pagan would not find this offensive at all.
Posted by glassman on :
slap of reality?
the slap of reality is that Bush conned a whole lotta people into voting for him by telling them he was going to fix a problem that his mother wouldn't let him, because it is an unfixable problem
might as well spit in the ocean cash.
THE 1992 CAMPAIGN: Barbara Bush; First Lady on Abortion: Not a Platform Issue By ALESSANDRA STANLEY,
Days after Republicans finished work on a platform that takes an uncompromising anti-abortion stance, Barbara Bush has told interviewers that she does not believe that the issue has any place in the party's platform.
"I'm not being outspoken or pro or con abortion," Mrs. Bush said in an interview with news magazine reporters on Wednesday that was made public today. "I'm saying abortion should not be in there, either pro or con."
Mrs. Bush's comments on abortion came as the Republican Party struggles to retain the loyalty of its conservative wing without alienating voters who favor abortion rights. The platform that will be approved at the party's convention in Houston next week advocates a constitutional amendment banning abortions in all cases.
President Bush had struck a more compromising tone in an NBC television interview Tuesday night, when he said he would stand by a granddaughter who chose to have an abortion.
Mrs. Bush's view, expressed in one of a series of interviews she granted before the convention, marks a sharp break with her practice of not speaking out on policy matters.
Mrs. Bush has declined to state her own views on abortion for years, but her friends say she privately favors abortion rights. Her comments about the platform could have been intended as a signal to pro-choice Republicans that they have a sympathetic ear in the White House.
By expressing compassion for homosexuals, unwed mothers and people with AIDS, Mrs. Bush has won praise from groups that find fault with her husband. Showing Her Steely Side
But in this week's interviews, the First Lady that most voters know only as a kindly, snowy-haired grandmother showed the steely side of her nature that she has mostly kept hidden since her quip about the Democratic Vice-Presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro ("a word I can't say, but it rhymes with rich" ), in the 1984 Presidential campaign.
Mrs. Bush called recent reports raising questions about her husband's private life "disgusting" and "hurtful."
She also aimed a dart at one of her husband's top political advisers when she deplored his comments about Mrs. Clinton.
There are just two arguments used by the anti-abortionist.
One is a purely religious one, thereby one that makes it Constitutionally illegal to have a law about abortion, of any kind, as that then constitutes Congress passing a law that respects a religion.
The other bases itself on an attempt to draw a logical consequence from the supposedly Constitutionally acceptable definition of the taking the life of another human being as constituting a crime and declaring a fetus or an egg or sperm to be potentially human, so that the destruction, for whatever reason of any one of them amounts to murder. Unfortunately, though they like to claim (and also claim to believe) that they are being "logical" and consistant, in order to be logical with the arguments they are putting forth, it requires that each time some person is executed for some crime, along with that person's own and specific potential life, also goes the potential life of each of the eggs or sperm cells they have in their bodies at the time or later. Every woman carries several such "lives" and every man perhaps millions.
The religious fanatics need to read and accept the 1st Amendment to the Constitution and admit they are asking us to introduce the respect of a religion with their demands, thereby, simultaneously admitting they intend to overthrow the Constitution and therefore the United States Government, i. e., they advocate treason.
The idiots that like to believe they have a logically valid argument based on the idea that the Constitution declares murder, the taking of a human life, to be a crime are only the extreme idiots they prove themselves to be when they don't, every bit as loudly and frequently condemn capital punishment. (There is no place in the Constitution that declares any being that isn't born to be anything, let alone a citizen and even if it did, the right to life is not limited to citizens, just to the people. Nothing in the constitution justifies declaring that something that could conceivably one day be a human, such as a carbon atom or a bit of protein from a the turtle soup you had for dinner, to have any right of any kind.)
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
I would be happy if they left abortion where it is now, but Obamas record on what he voted for in Illinois is draconian in medical practice.
Posted by bdgee on :
As a predictor of event in the future, your record is miserable, at best.
As a back biting slanderer, you constantly prove you have no respect for anything.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: As a predictor of event in the future, your record is miserable, at best.
As a back biting slanderer, you constantly prove you have no respect for anything.
The only thing you prove on the allstocks off topic board is that you know how to immaturely call people names.
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: As a predictor of event in the future, your record is miserable, at best.
As a back biting slanderer, you constantly prove you have no respect for anything.
Where as you have proven beyond doubt your adoration of....? Let it go Beege
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: As a predictor of event in the future, your record is miserable, at best.
As a back biting slanderer, you constantly prove you have no respect for anything.
The only thing you prove on the allstocks off topic board is that you know how to immaturely call people names.
When, as is the case with you, you act constantly like a half grown up jerk, being recognized as such is not insulting or name calling, it is fact.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
CCM,
Please don't confuse the socialists with the truth. And, certainly don't discuss race issues with the socialists. They are the only people that are allowed to discuss anything related to African Americans - after all, they have greatly improved their lives - getting them off of government handouts in great numbers; restoring the African American family; and saving millions of African American babies that would have been aborted. Oops, that's not right. The socialists have virtually enslaved the African American Community with government handouts; have destroyed the African American family; and have presided over the killing of millions of African American babies!!!
CCM, - in the future, please try not to bring up these "inconvenient truths".
Posted by jordanreed on :
...AND YOU KNOW...YEAH,RIGHT
you,little boy, are evil Posted by jordanreed on :
isnt the right distancing themselves from the word socialist?..I think they want to get away from that so they can start positionibg for 2012..
didnt you read the memo at your rally the other nite, PMS?....its time to start disguising your hatred..
Posted by glassman on :
he's not conservative JR, he's flaming liberal working hard to seal the fate of the GOP Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:isnt the right distancing themselves from the word socialist?..
Conservatives are not playing political games. We don't currently have a party. Even if we did, we wouldn't want to win elections if it means pretending to be liberals.
I don't care if Republicans ever win the Whitehouse again. If Republicans aren't going to represent conservatives, I'm not voting for them. In fact, I have voted for democrats on several occassions when RINO's were running (like against the idiot Voinovich).
Posted by glassman on :
LOL tricked twice by Bush...
"playing" "political games"? voting for Hillary in the primaries wasn't playing games? what a crock.
you don't even know how to be honest.
limbugger is playing the biggest political game of chicken ever played.
he's put all his marbles on Obama failing as a president.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:he's put all his marbles on Obama failing as a president.
That's not much of a gamble.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:he's put all his marbles on Obama failing as a president.
That's not much of a gamble.
yeah and you voted for Bush twice even tho he isn't a conservative, but you thunk he were when you voted fer him...
you beleive we should return to our roots of conservatism, but when i ask you to show me when we practiced conservatism in this country you don't respond...
Reagan was a good person. he was an OK president...
but he wasn't conservative by your definition either.
you don't have a plan, your leader is a fat guy that only does monologues, and has had three divorces. what conservative family values does that signal? huh?
you want to return to a place and time we've never been... leave it to beaver and andy griffith were TV shows for crying out loud.
you actually hope our country collapses because you don't agree with the presidents plans... yet your plans are fictitious, they don't even represent a majority view.
you called the governor of my state a conservative hero...
as i look at states with conservtive leadership? i find that they have the highest unemploymet rates, poorest education metrics, lowest standard of living and income rates..
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Great point Glass!
Just Like Tyson said "Everybody has a plan, until they get hit".
Again with the labels... Posted by NaturalResources on :
Fooled by Bush twice? LOL... Guilty.
What's the old saying in Texas?
"Fool me once, shame on... you, Fool me... ... You can't get fooled again"
Posted by glassman on :
i'm still trying to figure out when the good old conservative days were...
the roaring 20's? when the last conservative movement peaked?
Posted by glassman on :
this is important:
The 1920s was a decade of increased consumer spending and economic growth fed by supply side economic policy. The post war, post progressive era political environment saw three consecutive Republican administrations in the U.S. All three took the moderate position of forging a close relationship between those in government and big business. When President Warren Harding took office in 1921, the national economy was in the depths of a depression with an unemployment rate of 20% after a runaway inflation. Harding proposed to reduce the national debt, reduce taxes, protect farming interests, and cut back on immigration. Harding never lived to see it, but most of his agenda was passed by the Congress. These policies led to the "boom" of the Coolidge years. One of the main initiatives of both the Harding and Coolidge administrations was the rolling back of income taxes on the wealthy which had been raised during World War I. It was believed that a heavy tax burden on the rich would slow the economy, and actually reduce tax revenues. This tax cut was achieved under President Calvin Coolidge's administration. Furthermore, Coolidge consistently blocked any attempts at government intrusion into private business. Harding and Coolidge's managerial approach sustained economic growth throughout most of the decade, however, the overconfidence of these years contributed to the speculative bubble that sparked the stock market crash and the Great Depression. The government's role as an arbiter rather than an active entity continued under President Herbert Hoover. When stocks crashed in 1929, Hoover's top economic adviser, Andrew Mellon, looked upon it as a potentially healthy operation of the market. Hoover worked to get businessmen to respond to the crisis by calling them into conferences and urging them to cooperate. He backed immigration restriction and a cut in the capital-gains tax. Unfortunately, the attempt to get business to voluntarily fix itself did not improve the situation. Hoover did eventually begin to move to do more, but his initial failed voluntary approach to stop the slide were ineffective. The legacy of the roaring 1920s economy is tainted by the inability for leaders to foresee and act to prevent the catastrophe waiting at the end of the decade.
Some conservatives take the contrary position that the government did not pursue laissez faire economics policies. Rather, political initiatives from the Congress became oriented more toward special interest programs that generated economic benefits for clearly identified groups and such initiatives involved an expansion of governmental scope and power. When the income tax was established in 1913, the highest marginal tax rate was 7 percent; it was increased to 77 percent in 1916 to help finance the World War I. The top rate was reduced to as low as 25 percent in 1925. The "normalcy" of the 1920s incorporated considerably higher levels of federal spending and taxes than the Progressive era before World War I. From 1929 to 1933, under President Hoover's administration, real per capita federal expenditures increased by 88 percent.
In 1920-1921 there was an acute recession, followed by the prolonged recovery throughout the 1920s. A branch of the federal government called the Federal Reserve expanded credit, by setting below market interest rates and low reserve requirements that favored big banks, and the money supply actual increased by about 60% during the time following the recession. The phrase "buying on margin" entered the American vocabulary at this time as more and more Americans over-extended themselves to take advantage of the soaring stock market and expanding credit.
In 1929, however, Federal Reserve officials realized that they could not sustain the current policy of easy credit. When the Fed started to raise interest rates, the whole house of cards collapsed. The Stock Market crashed and the bank panics began.
interesting, the Fed raise rates here too... they were concerned about inflatioanary oil prices.. wh n they did? the wholehouse of cards...
in both cases, the conservatives were in charge, did as they pleased, and then when it failed? the conservatives tried to place the blame elsewhere...
history repeats itself over and over and over ...
Posted by NaturalResources on :
quote:i'm still trying to figure out when the good old conservative days were...
the roaring 20's? when the last conservative movement peaked?
I guess...
If you consider the "noble experiment" of prohibition the "good old conservative days".
Posted by glassman on :
When stocks crashed in 1929, Hoover's top economic adviser, Andrew Mellon, looked upon it as a potentially healthy operation of the market. Hoover worked to get businessmen to respond to the crisis by calling them into conferences and urging them to cooperate. He backed immigration restriction and a cut in the capital-gains tax. Unfortunately, the attempt to get business to voluntarily fix itself did not improve the situation. Hoover did eventually begin to move to do more, but his initial failed voluntary approach to stop the slide were ineffective.
does this sound like what we've been hearing today or what?
people who don't learn the mistakes in history are doomed to repeat them...
Posted by glassman on :
President Harding, in his inaugural address on March 4 1921, called for a prompt and thorough revision of the tax system, an emergency tariff act, readjustment of war taxes, and creation of a federal budget system. These were policies Mellon wholeheartedly subscribed to, and his long experience as a banker qualified him to set about implementing these programs immediately. As a conservative Republican and a financier, Mellon was irritated by the manner in which the government's budget was maintained, with expenses due now and rising rapidly, with income or revenues not keeping pace with those expense increases, and with the lack of savings.
yeah that's THE mellon...
Mellon believed that the income tax should remain progressive, but with lower rates than those enacted during World War I. He thought that the top income earners would only willingly pay their taxes if rates were 25% or lower. Mellon proposed tax rate cuts, which Congress enacted in the Revenue Acts of 1921, 1924, and 1926. The top marginal tax rate was cut from 73% to 58% in 1922, 50% in 1923, 46% in 1924, 25% in 1925, and 24% in 1929. Rates in lower brackets were also cut substantially, relieving burdens on the middle-class, working-class, and poor households.
d'oh
Posted by glassman on :
lemme repeat that, they cut taxes steadily from 21- 29 and then the economy immediately collapsed...
Andrew Mellon's plan had four main points:
1. Cut the top income tax rate from 77 to 25 percent 2. Cut taxes on low incomes 3. Reduce the Federal Estate tax 4. Efficiency in government
get it yet? conservatism? yeah, that's the answer, if we could just do it the right way..
it's like an echo that took 86 years to come back... Posted by glassman on :
hhmmmmm.... let them fail?
Many economists today (such as Milton Friedman and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, to give two prominent examples partially attribute the collapse of the American banking industry to the popularity among Federal Reserve leadership of Mellon's infamous "liquidationist" thesis: weeding out "weak" banks was seen as a harsh but necessary prerequisite to the recovery of the banking system. This "weeding out" was accomplished through refusing to lend cash to banks (taking loans and other investments as collateral), and by refusing to put more cash in circulation. He advocated spending cuts to keep the Federal budget balanced, and opposed measures for relief of public suffering. In 1929-31, he spent much of the time overseas, negotiating for repayment of European war debts from World War I. Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: lemme repeat that, they cut taxes steadily from 21- 29 and then the economy immediately collapsed...
Andrew Mellon's plan had four main points:
1. Cut the top income tax rate from 77 to 25 percent 2. Cut taxes on low incomes 3. Reduce the Federal Estate tax 4. Efficiency in government
get it yet? conservatism? yeah, that's the answer, if we could just do it the right way..
it's like an echo that took 86 years to come back...
I'm still a bit fuzzy on how taking money out of the economy and giving it to government helps spur the economy...
Posted by bdgee on :
One reason you are is within your statement:
"...taking money out of the economy and giving it to government..."
You have asked a loaded question, that is, one that assumes an answer, (or, in this case, one that refuses any answer that doesn't assume collection of answers).
Might be you need to reconsider the false assumptions your question demands.
Like the assumption that "the economy" exist independent of the Government and is somehow superior to the government, the assumption that money paid in taxes does not function as part of the economy. And the notion that the money you pay in taxes is given to the government, never to see daylight again.
You don't give money to the government via paying taxes. The government collects taxes in order to pay its expenses incurred in providing its functions and serving the people.
The absurd notion that government is the problem is the problem. Ronald Reagan was a showman, not an economist.
Posted by Relentless. on :
You are right beege... throughout history government has always been the solution.. I mean really.. look at history and see so ****ing clearly how governments have been the solution.. Government is the hope of the weak minded.. Government is the cause of our problems and I would expect no other witless answer from you. Up until six months ago you hated the direction of government.. Now that that direction has not changed in one ****ing way... you all of a sudden are the government's main defender? Like I called it many years ago.. you are a party operative. A very low pay party op.. but none the less. Only a four fingered mouth breathing tail swinging moron could ever think that increasing taxes could ever increase the economy.
Posted by Relentless. on :
And I mean that in the nicest possible way
Posted by bdgee on :
You are a complete fool, unencumbered by rational thought.
And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:you actually hope our country collapses because you don't agree with the presidents plans... yet your plans are fictitious, they don't even represent a majority view.
I KNOW that the country is going to collapse because of the socialist programs our country has put in place over the past several decades.
I have no problem having a view that is different than the majority. Here's a newsflash: the majority is often wrong!
quote:When stocks crashed in 1929, Hoover's top economic adviser, Andrew Mellon, looked upon it as a potentially healthy operation of the market. Hoover worked to get businessmen to respond to the crisis by calling them into conferences and urging them to cooperate. He backed immigration restriction and a cut in the capital-gains tax. Unfortunately, the attempt to get business to voluntarily fix itself did not improve the situation. Hoover did eventually begin to move to do more, but his initial failed voluntary approach to stop the slide were ineffective.
This time, the government has taken the opposite approach - they've thrown TRILLIONS of dollars at the mess and this approach has failed also. Stocks have fallen in the last year approximately the same percentage that they fell in the great depression! In the great depression, stocks dropped a total about 89% in 4 years. I expect that to happen this time as well. The difference is that this time we have committments for the future (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Section 8, etc, etc, etc) that we can't possibly pay for. Instead of a depression followed by recovery, we can expect a depression followed by a collapse of the country!
Why don't you socialists understand the numbers? It's not that difficult. It's really just a financial statement. Assets on one side of the page and liabilities on the other. In the case of our country, the liabilities in the near future FAR exceed any possibility of every paying them. SIMPLE!
Posted by bdgee on :
There is a financial twit with the personality of a jackhammer and the social grace of fresh hog feces loose in Allstocks Off Topics.
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Show me your numbers PM.
Put this financial statement that you are talking about in this thread so we can all look at it together.
Posted by glassman on :
This time, the government has taken the opposite approach - they've thrown TRILLIONS of dollars at the mess and this approach has failed also. Stocks have fallen in the last year approximately the same percentage that they fell in the great depression! In the great depression, stocks dropped a total about 89% in 4 years. I expect that to happen this time as well. The difference is that this time we have committments for the future (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Section 8, etc, etc, etc) that we can't possibly pay for. Instead of a depression followed by recovery, we can expect a depression followed by a collapse of the country!
you are correct to a point, we took a different approach this time, AFTER the system collpsed, we responded differently.
you really have a difficult time keeping more than one concept on your RAM don't you?
the economic system already collapsed PM. that is the key point. it collapsed under the the application of same economic philosophies that were applied in the 20's
and that was the point to my "rant". when the Conservaties were in charge in the 20's they set up the same crash, and the conservatives (in retrospect) denied culpability just like you do now. that makes you a liar, just like they were.
get it now? your plans are proven to fail. they already brought severe failure twice in the last 100 years.
what you are seeing now is the aftermath of the complete failure being dealt with.
could it be dealt with "better"? probably, but the fact is we are dealing with it differently this time, and the rel issue is keeping as many people employed as possible. not how much the dow goes down or up...
if we lose a certain amount of jobs? the dow won't matter at all...
and the only reason we got out of the last depression when we finally did was because of the WW2.
when you say you hope that our system fails under Obamas so that your philosiphic principles can be re-applied? you are basically saying you hope things get even worse than they did while your "side' frigged the whle system up so people will be so screwed up they'll accept anything. that's just sick.
Posted by glassman on :
evidence for the "engineering" of the crash?
In 1938, the SEC adopted the uptick rule, more formally known as rule 10a-1, after conducting an inquiry into the effects of concentrated short selling during the market break of 1937. [1] The original rule was implemented by Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr., the first SEC commissioner.[2]
The SEC eliminated the uptick rule on July 6, 2007.[4] The elimination of the rule was preceded by a SEC order, placed on July 28, 2004, to create a one-year pilot temporarily suspending the uptick rule on select securities. The purpose of the suspension was so that the commission could study the effectiveness of the rule. The SEC's Office of Economic Analysis and academic researchers provided the SEC with analysis of the data obtained during a six-month period starting May 2, 2005. The consensus was against the uptick rule, with the commission concluding that the uptick rule "modestly reduce[d] liquidity and do[es] not appear necessary to prevent manipulation."[3]
The rule was originally put in place to avoid the perpetration of a financial crime known as a bear raid. However, short sellers themselves viewed the rule as "largely symbolic" and having little actual effect on short selling.
the DOW hit 14,000 first time 11 days after the rule was removed. it retested the high in October and that "as they say" is ancient history now....
Posted by glassman on :
govt is the hope of the weak minded
as opposed to what?
no govt? so that in NY Guido, "the strong arm" can collect insurance fees instead? and in MS and Alabama Sherriff Hogg can? they return nothing to the community,a nd they always seem to show up in th absence of the Feds.
Posted by bdgee on :
"and the only reason we got out of the last depression when we finally did was because of the WW2"
Yes, by virtue of the many trillions of dollars that various governments spent, the U.S. only one of them.
Don't confuse the recovery ot the health of the stock market with either economic viability or the health and viability of the population. Had there not been the mammoth effort to feed and clothe the masses long before WWII, that has come to be known as the "New Deal", there would not have been a healthy and educated population capable of manning (or womaning, as with Rosie the riveter....take that Taliban!) the work benches and building the machinery and clothing and harvesting the food of WWII.
It is only a fool that chooses to believe that a rising stock market is the mark of a healthy and viable economy. Look at Brazil and Mexico and India and on and on to see a list of nations that enjoyed the same rising stock markets through the Second World War and didn't see their populations make significant advances, if any at all, with that supposedly healthy and economy controlling Market.
The United states almost literately threw enormous sums of borrowed money at that war (during and after) and the effect was to turn the U.S. into the greatest power, militarily AND economically, the world has ever seen. This antiquated philosophy that you can cure the markets with lowered taxes and decreased spending has proved itself to be a very cruel lie over and over and has never been known to work.
Posted by glassman on :
It is only a fool that chooses to believe that a rising stock market is the mark of a healthy and viable economy.
and? people say how sad it is that Japan has been stuck in a poor economy for years...
yet the same people claim GM is a failed company because Toyota passed them in sales to become number one.....
the probelm is that we are buying goods from China, and not selling enough back to them, then we are allowing them to manipulate their currency enough so that we can BORROW our own money back from them...
the "deal" we have with China stinks to high heaven... and they are not our ally in way shape or form...
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: It is only a fool that chooses to believe that a rising stock market is the mark of a healthy and viable economy.
and? people say how sad it is that Japan has been stuck in a poor economy for years...
yet the same people claim GM is a failed company because Toyota passed them in sales to become number one.....
the probelm is that we are buying goods from China, and not selling enough back to them, then we are allowing them to manipulate their currency enough so that we can BORROW our own money back from them...
the "deal" we have with China stinks to high heaven... and they are not our ally in way shape or form...
Japan's automakers would be failing too, if their government wasn't shoring them up with funds to last through this market. The same is true for heavy industry, particularly auto manufacturing, across the world.
Posted by retiredat49 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: [b] the problem is that we are buying goods from China, and not selling enough back to them, then we are allowing them to manipulate their currency enough so that we can BORROW our own money back from them...
Bingo...someone finally has the right answer to the REAL problem with our economy...any simple minded moron could have seen this coming years ago.
I'll repeat what I have been saying here forever...BUY AMERICAN
Posted by glassman on :
you know buck, i dunno how people get so confused.
it isn't even complicated.. the balance sheets are plain.
every time you bring it up? people have a half dozen excuses, but not one good reason.
it's so hot here already i wanted to turn on the AC to cool the house enough to sleep.
the blower runs in the indoor heat exchanger but the compressor and the outside heat exchanger won't come on.. the relay isn't activating. manual activation of the relay starts it fine, so i don't need a new compressor, i gotta go back and ring out the wires to the relay and then the thermostat... (does that make any sense to you PM? )
i am gald i don't have to hire anybody to replace the compressor anyway fun morning so far...
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: One reason you are is within your statement:
"...taking money out of the economy and giving it to government..."
You have asked a loaded question, that is, one that assumes an answer, (or, in this case, one that refuses any answer that doesn't assume collection of answers).
Might be you need to reconsider the false assumptions your question demands.
Like the assumption that "the economy" exist independent of the Government and is somehow superior to the government, the assumption that money paid in taxes does not function as part of the economy. And the notion that the money you pay in taxes is given to the government, never to see daylight again.
You don't give money to the government via paying taxes. The government collects taxes in order to pay its expenses incurred in providing its functions and serving the people.
The absurd notion that government is the problem is the problem. Ronald Reagan was a showman, not an economist.
Government is NOT above the economy and frankly it should be none of their concern. And yes money taken from citizens is supposed to be apportioned as well.. can you please show me where any of that apportioning is stated? The asinine notion that government has solved any societal ill is the problem. Clinton/Obama is a puppet... not a leader.
Posted by Propertymanager on :
quote:and that was the point to my "rant". when the Conservaties were in charge in the 20's they set up the same crash, and the conservatives (in retrospect) denied culpability just like you do now. that makes you a liar, just like they were.
Whoa! Back up the horses! You've repeated said that there haven't been an conservatives in the White House lately. So, if not even Ronald Reagan was a conservative, then conservatives certainly are not responsible for the mess we have now. In fact, if real conservatives had been in charge, none of this mess would have ever occurred!
Quite the contrary, the socialists (including George Bush) are squarely responsible for the current economic crisis!
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: One reason you are is within your statement:
"...taking money out of the economy and giving it to government..."
You have asked a loaded question, that is, one that assumes an answer, (or, in this case, one that refuses any answer that doesn't assume collection of answers).
Might be you need to reconsider the false assumptions your question demands.
Like the assumption that "the economy" exist independent of the Government and is somehow superior to the government, the assumption that money paid in taxes does not function as part of the economy. And the notion that the money you pay in taxes is given to the government, never to see daylight again.
You don't give money to the government via paying taxes. The government collects taxes in order to pay its expenses incurred in providing its functions and serving the people.
The absurd notion that government is the problem is the problem. Ronald Reagan was a showman, not an economist.
Government is NOT above the economy and frankly it should be none of their concern. And yes money taken from citizens is supposed to be apportioned as well.. can you please show me where any of that apportioning is stated? The asinine notion that government has solved any societal ill is the problem. Clinton/Obama is a puppet... not a leader.
You are so trapped in right-wing mantra you must think your hero Rapid Ronald was a god.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:and that was the point to my "rant". when the Conservaties were in charge in the 20's they set up the same crash, and the conservatives (in retrospect) denied culpability just like you do now. that makes you a liar, just like they were.
Whoa! Back up the horses! You've repeated said that there haven't been an conservatives in the White House lately. So, if not even Ronald Reagan was a conservative, then conservatives certainly are not responsible for the mess we have now. In fact, if real conservatives had been in charge, none of this mess would have ever occurred!
Quite the contrary, the socialists (including George Bush) are squarely responsible for the current economic crisis!
i have plainly stated the people calling themselves conservatives are the current problem, and that people calling themselves conservatives were the problem in the late 20's......
i plainly stated that Reagan doesn't qualify as a conservative in YOUR definition of conservatism
you? you are not a part of the current problem, because you do not matter.
no matter how much you deny Bush? you and the rest of the people calling themselves conservatives elected him. i voted for him in '00, but i soon realised how much he had misrepresented himself... i didn't votr for him a second time. i posted right here that i had no idea how the GOP could even consider renominating him in '04.
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote: You are so trapped in right-wing mantra you must think your hero Rapid Ronald was a god.
Yes I'm secretly a right winger... The fact that I not only think but publicly state I believe our government is responsible for the planning and the carrying out of 911 means.. right winger.. I believe income tax as it is currently is illegal.. Right winger I despise all religions as forms of population control. Right winger
You simply only have one retort for any idea that isn't already cemented in your nucleus as Clinton spewed fact. All you can do is call people right wingers. It never has mattered if the claim fit.. it's just a defense mechanism... a rather archaic one... Much like a squid spurting ink as it squirts away from a more capable foe. You know as well as I that from the day you and that moron Gordo showed up here I have been smacking the crap out of you on every idiotic Clinton approved "Talking Point" you two posted. Sure I take breaks and let the others have a go at you.. At this point it is just plain boring. Your transformation from administration bashing to administration loving was predicted. The funny ****ing thing is the fact that the two administrations are ****ing identical. Policies... Same You have been exposed as a party line loyal hypocrite. You could have avoided this by doing the smart thing like your buddy Gordo... By leaving before the administrations were proven to be the same. But you can't do that.. Your ego won't let you. Really beege.. past Tex who here really likes you? Who? I don't know what has happened to you in the last year, but I can tell you point blank you are not as precise as you once were... Its gotten to the point that you actually offer no challenge. Just simple name calling and cut and paste replies. No matter what you think... I say that cause I care. You can do better
Posted by bdgee on :
"Yes I'm secretly a right winger..."
There never has been anything secret about it.
Everything you ever say is either pure copy from Rapid Ronald or some demand that everyone take on as a religion one of your goof-ball conspiracy schemes that colors everyone not devoted to belief in Raganology as evil and devious.
Posted by Relentless. on :
Pretty sure that post proves beyond doubt your voyage begrudgingly away from cheap rot gut whiskey and head long into psychotropic drugs is complete.
Posted by bdgee on :
Hahahahah
No, rel, I don't plan to join you.
Posted by glassman on :
wtf is rapid ronald?
conspiracies are everywhere.... it always surprises me when people disregard the possibility that two people get on the phone and make plans especially now that we have balckberries and the internet.
is it your contention that China is our bested buddy ally?
Posted by bdgee on :
Rapid Ronald, the intellectual giant that was once president.
Posted by Relentless. on :
Can't imagine how you could travel without bringing your 2X life size marble statue of Clinton with you.
Posted by bdgee on :
I keep that marble statue of Prez Billie Boy out by the bird bath so the pigeons can keep it appropriately decorated.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Rapid Ronald, the intellectual giant that was once president.
you mean Uncle Ronnie?
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I keep that marble statue of Prez Billie Boy out by the bird bath so the pigeons can keep it appropriately decorated.
Can only imagine where you keep the one of Clinton Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Rapid Ronald, the intellectual giant that was once president.
you mean Uncle Ronnie?
Yep, thaz 'im, grinnin and tryin to keep folks from figurin out he based all his intellect on payin some cleaver broad dressed in robes to clue him in after reading it in the stars.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I keep that marble statue of Prez Billie Boy out by the bird bath so the pigeons can keep it appropriately decorated.
Can only imagine where you keep the one of Clinton ;)
I jes tol, ya, boy. Air ye deef?
Posted by Relentless. on :
Oh come on.. you love your idol Clinton... Tell me you haven't left the church, Beege.
Posted by glassman on :
Yep, thaz 'im, grinnin and tryin to keep folks from figurin out he based all his intellect on payin some cleaver broad dressed in robes to clue him in after reading it in the stars.
i don't think she wore robes..
i don't think she wore anything when she did the astrological charts for Nancy or Uncle Ronnie...
still, it's hard to hate a guy in a white hat with a great set of dentures like that...
Posted by bdgee on :
No, rel, I haven't left the church. Wasn't ever there.
I campaigned hard to stop Billie Boy. Your problem is, as it always has been: you can only see black vs. white (or up and down or positive and negative or, more generally, a purely bipolar configuration....a dichotomy.....and thus, an oversimplification of reality) and you are so emotionally restricted to republican mantra and tactics you assume anyone not similarly afflicted is for whomever you have been taught to hate by the Party.
Doesn't work that way.....sorry.....
Posted by glassman on :
oh, bdgee, now you we all know you love the clintons. even tho he signed NAFTA just to please his arch-emeny Bush the First, you still made excuses for him
Posted by Relentless. on :
You blind twit I have been for quite some time an accomplished artist who has never been in a box such that I would worry about thinking out of one. Your problem is you can't read. You are so beholden to your tired old accusations that their accuracy is not a concern you can comprehend.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Yep, thaz 'im, grinnin and tryin to keep folks from figurin out he based all his intellect on payin some cleaver broad dressed in robes to clue him in after reading it in the stars.
i don't think she wore robes..
i don't think she wore anything when she did the astrological charts for Nancy or Uncle Ronnie...
still, it's hard to hate a guy in a white hat with a great set of dentures like that...
Where I come from, folks wearing a Stetson and sporting a big grin are the common fare. I never knew the guy to need to like him or dislike him. (Like Will Rogers, I almost never meet a man or woman I don't like.) I did not approve of his willingness to dismiss, demonize, and belittle people on a different political tact and I could not stand his eagerness to slander the intent of people trapped in the lesser social strata of society. I was convinced that that attitude could only lead to problems in our society.....I was right.....from that sort of approach we have Limbaugh, Colter, Hanity, - - -
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: oh, bdgee, now you we all know you love the clintons. even tho he signed NAFTA just to please his arch-emeny Bush the First, you still made excuses for him
No, it is your republican roots that are speaking there. I don't defend him, but I must object to people professing lies and cheap slanders against anyone, the Clintons included.
Posted by T e x on :
sorry to be so dense--you guys tell me again who is it that's liberal, and who is it that's conservative?
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: You blind twit I have been for quite some time an accomplished artist who has never been in a box such that I would worry about thinking out of one. Your problem is you can't read. You are so beholden to your tired old accusations that their accuracy is not a concern you can comprehend.
Yes, you have made it clear you imagine you are an independent thinker.
C'est La Vie
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: sorry to be so dense--you guys tell me again who is it that's liberal, and who is it that's conservative?
*bump* for the melee... Posted by glassman on :
I could not stand his eagerness to slander the intent of people trapped in the lesser social strata of society.
actually, limbaugh colter and hannity swear to him, but totally misrepresent him in more than a few ways, i doubt seriously that they even understand his set of priciples.
Reagan did in fact beleive in cutting taxes on the poor. i have posted as much.. he did in fact withdraw from Lebanon rather than instigate another needless war... there's plenty of things to like about Reagan...
it's not his fault the ignoramuses take his words and work them into what ever they want. if it wasn't him? it would be someone else...
i have no delusions that he was a "great president" or even a great actor. (LOL) but he was a decent person, and an OK president...
those scum you mention that pretend to take from his philosophy would use nay name that was available f it suited their purposes.
on the downside? he prolly never recovered from the gunshot, and really didn't remember much of anything that happened after that. of course it's hard to remeber what you weren't aware of to begin with...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: oh, bdgee, now you we all know you love the clintons. even tho he signed NAFTA just to please his arch-emeny Bush the First, you still made excuses for him
No, it is your republican roots that are speaking there. I don't defend him, but I must object to people professing lies and cheap slanders against anyone, the Clintons included.
i do my due dilligence, you never disproved any of my assertions just called me slanderer...
Posted by Relentless. on :
To date I have yet to see Beege disprove anything.. just yell "RIGHT WINGER!!!!" and turn tail.
Posted by bdgee on :
You do a heap of slandering where the Clintons are concerned and your due diligence is a matter of selecting the dirtiest thing to use as a reference while neglecting those things that dispute the stuff you claim to be true.
Where the Clintons are concerned, you have no amount of integrity or responsibility, only irrational hate. It is sad.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: To date I have yet to see Beege disprove anything.. just yell "RIGHT WINGER!!!!" and turn tail.
Well, lets make sure you don't have to continue in that quest.
I very much disapprove of your hate campaign toward anyone or anything that doesn't echo your meanness and biases. You are worse than a spoiled two year old.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: sorry to be so dense--you guys tell me again who is it that's liberal, and who is it that's conservative?
*bump* for the melee...
yeah it's been awhile since we had a good melee..
your box is full time to get out the broom Posted by Relentless. on :
Beege you've been here for four years spewing direct quotes from Clinton and the like and doing not a damn thing to back any of it up but call people party line hacks. It's old.. it's tired... Just like you.
Posted by glassman on :
comeon bdgee, i really don't like the Clintons,and you love 'em -we established that years ago... now you say you hate em too?
Posted by Relentless. on :
In fact if your dusty old nucleus is capable of remembering I showed four years ago that you were posting direct quotes from the communist party's website.. you and your buddy Gordo...
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: comeon bdgee, i really don't like the Clintons,and you love 'em -we established that years ago... now you say you hate em too?
It isn't a matter of hate. I don't know either of then and won't waste that much of my my emotions, either positively or negatively, on people I don't need to. Hating or loving such people is a childish fruitless effort.
I disapprove of overall policies they have fostered, because I believe there are consequences that will show up years down the line that aren't good for the Country or its political health.
And this isn't the first time I have told you such!
Posted by glassman on :
I disapprove of overall policies they have fostered, because I believe there are consequences that will show up years down the line that aren't good for the Country or its political health.
OK< i'm etching that on the the stone hard-drive. you are now on record.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: In fact if your dusty old nucleus is capable of remembering I showed four years ago that you were posting direct quotes from the communist party's website.. you and your buddy Gordo...
No, you fool, you may think you did, but that is just more of your Party line hate and the inevitable confusion that results from spinning yarns to make the Party line hype seem digestible.
Posted by Relentless. on :
Your adoration of Clinton or in fact anyone in the DNC is nothing that can be debated. You only now offer it as an attempt to cya. It is pointless to even try, Beege. We already know.
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Your adoration of Clinton or in fact anyone in the DNC is nothing that can be debated. You only now offer it as an attempt to cya. It is pointless to even try, Beege. We already know.
You are a sick puppy.
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: In fact if your dusty old nucleus is capable of remembering I showed four years ago that you were posting direct quotes from the communist party's website.. you and your buddy Gordo...
No, you fool, you may think you did, but that is just more of your Party line hate and the inevitable confusion that results from spinning yarns to make the Party line hype seem digestible.
See.. more deflection and avoidance... Your ability to deny proven reality is simply amazing and can only be the product of years of liver abuse on a magnificent scale.
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Your adoration of Clinton or in fact anyone in the DNC is nothing that can be debated. You only now offer it as an attempt to cya. It is pointless to even try, Beege. We already know.
You are a sick puppy.
Billary sure is looking really goofy these days overseas with the state department making mistakes that even the Bush administration wouldnt be dumb enough to do.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Your adoration of Clinton or in fact anyone in the DNC is nothing that can be debated. You only now offer it as an attempt to cya. It is pointless to even try, Beege. We already know.
You are a sick puppy.
this sick?
he much prefers single malt.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Your adoration of Clinton or in fact anyone in the DNC is nothing that can be debated. You only now offer it as an attempt to cya. It is pointless to even try, Beege. We already know.
You are a sick puppy.
Billary sure is looking really goofy these days overseas with the state department making mistakes that even the Bush administration wouldnt be dumb enough to do.
waht'd she do now?
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Your adoration of Clinton or in fact anyone in the DNC is nothing that can be debated. You only now offer it as an attempt to cya. It is pointless to even try, Beege. We already know.
You are a sick puppy.
I'm a wee bit bigger than a puppy and far from delusional... hence our continual arguing. You're up a bit late tonight... bottle numero quatro is suspect?
Posted by Highwaychild on :
It's a full moon! So I'd say 1 for each day of the month.... nueve
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote:Originally posted by Highwaychild: It's a full moon...
That explains it.. soon the cops will be at his trailer answering the fifth call tonight about nazis invading his territory, spewing their right wing hate.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
oh yeah, you're in for it now.
...But, what if the cops are nazis?
Posted by glassman on :
well it's been a good one tonight... almost like the good ole days
With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound He pulls the spitting high tension wires down
Helpless people on a subway train Scream bug-eyed as he looks in on them
He picks up a bus and he throws it back down As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town
Oh no, they say hes got to go Go go godzilla, yeah Oh no, there goes tokyo Go go godzilla, yeah
Rinji news o moshiagemasu! Rinji news o moshiagemasu! Godzilla ga ginza hoomen e mukatte imasu! Daishkyu hinan ****e kudasai! Daishkyu hinan ****e kudasai!
Oh no, they say hes got to go Go go godzilla, yeah Oh no, there goes tokyo Go go godzilla, yeah
History shows again and again How nature points out the folly of men Godzilla!
Posted by Relentless. on :
lol.. Obviously they are.. This has been a police state for quite some time.
Posted by T e x on :
lol...
OK, fellas...1939 Indenture Trust act, or sumpin like that
early 1990s, securitization...
late 1990s, Credit Derivative Swaps.
fire away!
Posted by Relentless. on :
quote: well it's been a good one tonight... almost like the good ole days
Lol.. no ****.. and this time I didn't get banned ... yet
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Relentless.:
quote: well it's been a good one tonight... almost like the good ole days
Lol.. no ****.. and this time I didn't get banned ... yet
might have to mention that to da boss--he hasn't banned you in a while...
didn't you request to be banned every 6 months, like clockwork?
Posted by Relentless. on :
LOL.. I still have three screen names pre-made just incase... Never know when budge will get mouthy. Posted by T e x on :
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