world demand is about 1.5 million barrels above world supply...
that is also just about the difference in iraqi production since the war started..
iran may decide to reduce output as a result of the sanctions placed on them this week, or they may have no market...
how can the admin can place sanctions on anybody doing business with iran when we all know that we all need the oil?
doesn't taking one countries oil off the market just increase the value of the other countries oil?
Posted by bdgee on :
"how can the admin can place sanctions on anybody doing business with iran when we all know that we all need the oil?"
There you go again, assuming the administrations thinks.
Posted by glassman on :
it's a scam.
keep an eye on Kudlows interview of Cheney today...
Posted by Machiavelli on :
use it to your advantage Glass by trading in the oil markets (stocks, futures etc.)...
Posted by glassman on :
LOL.. you don't see what's happening do you?
the government is continually publishing low inflation and good job growth numbers.
meanwhile? disposable income from consumers is not just disappearing, it's gone.
the figures are clear. we have a negative savings rate since '05, we have housing prices declining, and we have a larger spread between avg income earners and the top 10 percent earners than we have had since, well, the 1920's...
and if you look hard? you'll find all kinds of other commonalities in the US economy with the 1920's... you like charts right? compare them...
they called the 20's the roaring 20's because they threw caution to the wind and that's what's going on now.
Bush and Cheney's economic policies are setting US up for long-term problems. and they've done this intentionally. i am not predicting a depression here. what i am suggesting is a long drawn out economic crisis for America's middle class.
here's the Cheney interview:
this statement should make Dems happy, cuz the last time i heard an answer like this? it was Daddy Bush facing Bill in 92...
KUDLOW: You were talking before about the success of the tax cuts and so forth. On the campaign trail, many Democrats, Senator Clinton in particular, have said two things. Number one, middle class has not participated in this economic boom. She calls it a middle class trap door and says that wage inequality is the worst it's been since 1929. Do you have a response to those charges?
Mr. CHENEY: Yeah, I don't agree with it. I think that analysis is wrong. I think we've added well over 8 million jobs since the recovery took off some four years ago. We have seen a significant economic expansion underway now for 40 some months. It's been, I think, a very successful economic policy. And the suggestion that somehow there are hard times out there, I just--I just think is a misstatement.
The result of the depression was much greater governmental control of the economy. Quite clear why the government would like to create another one.
Posted by glassman on :
when all that money just up an' disappeared during the 30's, where did it go?
some DD about gross domestic product and how it is calculated now and how it has been calculated historically also bear witness to the flagrant manipulation of data this admin is participting in...
when they say we are spending less percentage of GDP on debt or energy? they are fictionalising
Posted by bdgee on :
What a nice new word for lying.
"fictionalising"
I like that.
Posted by glassman on :
the IRS and the BEA (Bureau of Economic Analysis) never seem to agree on the figures anyway...
part of the "trick" is that they calculate how much more technology you get for your dollar...
so your 1000$ computer today was really worth the same as a DEC mini-vax in 1980.. (1/4 million or so ) seriously, they do this and it sounds good, but i only paid 2500$ for my first 286 PC....
i was really happy to pay 3000 for my 486 with the COLOR monitor Posted by Machiavelli on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL.. you don't see what's happening do you?
I'm not saying i disagree with you... just saying there is nothing we can do about it so you might as well take advantage of the oil prices and trade in the markets they are in (stocks, futures etc.) ...
Posted by glassman on :
nothing we can do about it?
people say there's nothing we can do about this and that all the time, but "stuff" does get done all the time
mach, with all due respect? that sounds like a defeatist attitude.
alternative energy investment is where i'm working.
all the "experts" agree that right now there's a 15 to 30 dollar premium on oil becuase of trader speculation ....
the problem is that when they trade this high they set technical points that are used over and over again to justify making the same price a support price instead of a "premium price".
the market is being manipulated by the traders. not the the other way around.
the US represents 1/4 of the world economy and we consume 1/4 of the world oil supply...
our total economy has become based on oil due to scaling.
we have to drive 20 miles to go to work, we have to drive 20 mile to go shopping...
if the price of oil goes to 150$ barrel? will people stop going to work? no... will they stop shopping? no... they will just give up what they have to...
Posted by bdgee on :
Note: It is not necessary for the traders to know or intend be participating in manipulating the market that it be the case, nor is it necessary that they understand how it is being done.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Note: It is not necessary for the traders to know or intend be participating in manipulating the market that it be the case, nor is it necessary that they understand how it is being done.
i agree to a certain extent bdgee, however, i beleive the traders with the deepest pockets are the driving force. as they have always been...
Posted by Munchkin Man on :
Greetings To All:
The Munchkin Man has one word to say:
URANIUM!
As the reality of the Peak Oil Hypothesis becomes increasingly apparent to more people of intelligence, they will begin to realize that a new and dominant source of energy will take over and remain supreme.
As the Age of Petroleum comes to an end, a major battle royal will ensue between each of the alternative energy sources.
You will have the following contestants:
Ethanol Man!
Fuel Cell Man!
Wind Power Man!
Solar Power Man!
Algae Man!
Clean Coal Man!
Water Power Man!
Fertilizer Man!
Uranium Man!
And a host of others.
And the winner is..................
URANIUM MAN!
The Munchkin Man will go on record right and state that Uranium as an energy investment is "the place to be" for the remainder of 2007 and for at least through all of 2008.
Good luck to all.
Best Wishes,
Munchkin Man
Posted by jordanreed on :
apply "DWE" manuever
Posted by bdgee on :
quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: apply "DWE" manuever
Yep.....
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
Can we put the byproducts in your backyard Munchie? Until that problem is solved acceptance will be difficult.
Posted by bdgee on :
glass....
Yes, I agree with that. And, I point out that that sort you speak of never have thought of themselves as American or any other nationality. They seem to think they are a Nation unto themselves, responsible only to those of similar funding and wealth, to which they seem to assume membership is a right bestowed by God at birth.
Posted by Machiavelli on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: nothing we can do about it?
people say there's nothing we can do about this and that all the time, but "stuff" does get done all the time
mach, with all due respect? that sounds like a defeatist attitude.
alternative energy investment is where i'm working.
all the "experts" agree that right now there's a 15 to 30 dollar premium on oil becuase of trader speculation ....
the problem is that when they trade this high they set technical points that are used over and over again to justify making the same price a support price instead of a "premium price".
the market is being manipulated by the traders. not the the other way around.
the US represents 1/4 of the world economy and we consume 1/4 of the world oil supply...
our total economy has become based on oil due to scaling.
we have to drive 20 miles to go to work, we have to drive 20 mile to go shopping...
if the price of oil goes to 150$ barrel? will people stop going to work? no... will they stop shopping? no... they will just give up what they have to...
Not a defeatist attitude. Just a realist attitude. Can you change what is going on? Can i or anyone else? no. Only Gov't's can and we all know that it is more profitable to not change our reliance on oil by special interests with deep pockets including politicians who profit directly or indirectly from the surge in price.
It is in the politicians self interest not to change such a thing. Like you pointed out we are not going to stop buying oil. Not now nor ever. Will there be a alternative to oil in the future? Perhaps but only if our politicians allow it and we all know how politicians and our Gov't are in this country regardless of party affiliation. The almighty buck first whether we like to admit it or not.
So, again regardless of manipulation or not I still ask why we as "traders" should not ride the trend and profit from it by taking advantage of it. Btw, I work in the jewelry industry and if you want to take another advantage then trade in markets (stocks, futures, etc.) in gold, platinum, silver, copper etc. and even Palladium which will be a "alternative" metal to these other high flying metals. Look for refining companies, retailers, wholesalers etc. that are traded on the stock market as well as gold/platinum/silver etc. future contracts. Do your own DD of course but I know this from the inside because I see the metal prices rising in the jewelry i handle. I didn't check the price of Gold today but it was $787 a ounce on Friday and people are predicting it will hit $800 a ounce this week. Just giving ya a tidbit. I attended a jewelry convention yesterday and I saw the wholesale prices and how high they are now.
Posted by T e x on :
I see it simply doing electrical work: what was a $50 roll of MC (12-2), is now $150.
On the other hand? oil is over $90, yet gasoline not going along...
Consumers *could* affect this chit...a nice, solid 1-to-2 week boycott on Exxon would do wonders.
Do I expect that?
no
Posted by thinkmoney on :
am i the only one that has smarts?
Oil is not the answer and never will be...
Shame on all who supported oil and who continue... solar is answer..some fight fer alternative or nuclear but solar is the way not anything else...
Oil has harmed earth in ways uninmaginable and still the evil says we contiue oil...what part of **** is hard to understand?//
Oil polluted the earth...given cancer asthma..alergies combined with all other chemicals///yet the few good let the many ugly continue...
Oil has harmed my child and yours and is responsible fer golbal warming..you can argue all ya want but global warming is real and in several years it will be more pronunced...oil harmed human health and earth and yet we tolerate it....
Politically, it has gotten us in war fer greed.
bush and cheyney and crew should be hung fer the crimes they committed in name of greed...fer oil greed...
so, oil in NO NO NO No ......fer the wars and fer the health of humanity and our future on earth....
so, solar is the answer....
so, why da fuxk are we still in limbo?//
where the **** is any leadership???
none...all fer the few fer their greed...but they cant escape cancer nor asthma nor glaobal warming nor jhell in afterlife..fer the wrongs...fer their greed...
so, how solar? more investments?
and..lessen dependency on oil...more telecommute ...we have the technology...got to lessen consumption and we can but the greed will not per mit it....I say telecommute could leesen oil consumption by a 1/3 and leesen traffic congrestion....then...**** the oil and use it sparingly until solar...
why why whwy why do we let the oil greed of those evil cronies dictate the shape of our destiny? **** tehm..demand telecommute..demand investmentin solar..as a citizen do all u can to lessen oil consumption....
a brighter future fer usa..solar energy..innovation..no dependency and **** the evil...soalr innovation will create jobs that our govt has given to other nations at the expense of americans...where are the americans fighting for their interests?
Posted by bdgee on :
I agree with almost everything you say, think....
What I can't agree with is where you say, "solar is the way not anything else...".
Solar can certainly be a huge percentage of life without fossil "fuel" (we will still need coal and oil to make all the plastics and resins and chemicals that make this a modern world), but there is no reason to not have other large percentages come from wind, ocean currents, thermal differences in surface and subsurface temperatures, and many other non polluting technologies (and on the way to a purely nonpolluting energy policy, we can begin weening ourselves from dependence on burning fossil fuels to make energy by temporarily adopting other fuels like ethanol, methane, and filtered cooking oil).
Posted by glassman on :
It is in the politicians self interest not to change such a thing. Like you pointed out we are not going to stop buying oil. Not now nor ever. Will there be a alternative to oil in the future? Perhaps but only if our politicians allow it and we all know how politicians and our Gov't are in this country regardless of party affiliation. The almighty buck first whether we like to admit it or not.
hence my interest in politics..
as long as people keep electing people that put themselves first? this pattern will continue..
America was based on the principle of Government FOR the people and BY the people..
today? we have a govt for the corporations and by the corporations. and hillary represents that pattern as much as any neo-con.
here's an Edwards quote from last night:
The question is: Will America be fine? And will we ensure -- and I think this is the great moral test of our generation -- will we ensure that our children have a better life than we have had? That's the responsibility we have.
here's Biden's take on the price of oil, and this is what i meant when i said the high price of oil is a scam:
Biden: A big piece of that cost is risk. People are betting on things getting worse. That old joke, you know: When you're in a hole, you should stop digging.
Why do we continue to cause the price of oil to rise by continuing to rattle the saber with Iran? Why do we continue to cause the price of oil to rise by a foreign policy that is absolutely moribund of any center?
while i do beleive that Iran represents a true threat to US? i also believe the geo-diplomatic policies of Bush and Rice ( remember Rice was on the BOD of Chevron, Schwab and Rand ) are deliberate in their attempt to run the price of oil as high as they possibly can...
Posted by thinkmoney on :
I do think that in the interim there will be other alternative energy souces before solar adaptation, or any natural energy source that is benevolent to the environment...and us as a species...
Isnt there more fossil fuel used to make ethanoyl then its output? I think any energy that harms the earth will in the future be politically unacceptable and geneticlly for the health of our race. I dont get why we have use energy sources that not only polluted this earth but also harmed the health of us and our kids.
Yes, greed is the reason why....but the thinking to think that money can only be amde on oil, etc is shortsighted. I tell you that solar energy could transform life as we know it. It can be the next revolution...beyond anyone's belief..
Hopefuuly, it will come sooner then later cause the earth is warming and catastrophe will give no other choice.
What does it say for democracy when the national interests of this country is threatened tremendously by oil greed? I dont think we have the caliber of politicians to lead the way....
But, I place hope on americans to engage and make wise choices at all levels of society..
And, each moment presents opportnity...soon it may be profitable for more solar research and use....and, I disagree with glassman...
the politicians will not lead but other factors will lead the way....such as money to be made, survival....higher level of awareness and thinking ...
Posted by thinkmoney on :
And, there are folks who are leading us... Gore, gincgrich, Laura Ingrahm, many others probablly...Some we respect and others not....some bring partial truth but there are voices out there who are not cowards on this issue like our politicians..and many more will join...
Thin what you want of Gore but he has made the earth climate in the forefrunt of discussion which in of itself influences others...where there is focus , that happens...
Posted by glassman on :
I tell you that solar energy could transform life as we know it. It can be the next revolution...beyond anyone's belief..
i agree, but we are still a few (short) steps away from solar being inexpensive enough to replace oil..
the state of the art involves growing (nearly) pure silicon crystals and cutting them into wafers.. it's simply an expensive process.. cheaper coating technologies are being developed, but they are less efficient at producing electricity...
if oil goes above 150$ solar will be cheaper WITHOUT having to be more efficient...
so, in some ways the high price of oil is a good thing..
it's just going to be a difficult transition for most people... esp if they heat with oil this winter...
it took about 7 years to install enough fiber optic cable around the country to satisfy the large scale broadband system we have in place now...
if a strong push to install solar panels on every south facing roof in the US was initiated? we would see a surge in job growth of all types realted tot eh industry (construction, sales etc), and increased value in our homes, not to mention the income possibilities from small solar "farms" that could be set up on relatively little land...
more decentralised electricity production is actually better...
transmision of electric power costs US as much as 70% of what we actually produce..
by decentralising production we could (thoeretically) be more efficient...
Posted by bdgee on :
I agree. Decentralizing energy is a major improvement and a major cog in the wheel of progress.
Posted by Munchkin Man on :
Just you watch!
URANIUM MAN is going to win!
Just you watch!
Munchkin Man
Posted by T e x on :
uranium sucks, munchie.
looks good on paper, till you factor in all the costs
Posted by glassman on :
here's where the ultimate future is IMO and it will use solar electricity to run it... it's not a joke, there is some significant extra energy coming from this "project" somewhere: about double the input ....
Further evidence of nuclear reactions in the Pd/D lattice: emission of charged particles Stanislaw Szpak & Pamela A. Mosier-Boss & Frank E. Gordon
The density of tracks registered by a CR-39 detector was found to be of a magnitude that provides undisputable evidence of their nuclear origin. The experiments were reproducible...
...In the search for additional evidence we examined the production of tritium, which was found to be sporadic and often at low rates. Nevertheless, active periods persisting for days, were observed with the tritium production rates of approximately 6×103 atoms/s (Szpak et al. 1998). Recently, we reported that by placing an operating cell in an external electrostatic field, “new elements” are produced, among them Al, Si, and Mg (Szpak et al. 2005a,b). In this report, we present a reproducible and, what we believe to be, direct and undisputable evidence of low-energy nuclear reactions in the Pd lattice, namely, the emission of charged particles in amounts far greater than that provided by the background.
if Fearless Leader wasn't so damn anti-"scientific progress"? we could be alot further along than we already are... something about the whole "program" the neo-cons have been pushing stinks to high heaven....
Posted by *Mag* on :
glass is that a flux capacitor?
Posted by bdgee on :
"if Fearless Leader wasn't so damn anti-"scientific progress", he might be at least half educated.
But then, to be at least half educated, you need to be at least half smart. So he (and each of his kind) is doomed to believe that he can interpret to suit his simple minded preferences, without ever even learning the rudiments of their art, and reach direct contradiction to what really smart people conclude via the culmination of several generations of dedicated hard work by thousands of scientist. It isn't arrogance, actually, because he is too ignorant to have any hope of understanding what genuine thinking amounts to.
Having proved he is the worst and least honorable president ever, he is also establishing that he reached such lofty rewards not through achievement or hard work, but because he is both the dumbest and most self centered president ever. This jerk has no love of our Nation. Indeed, those most fundamental precepts that precipitate our unique society and, thus, are the underlying heart and sole of the Constitution are things he despises and seeks to eliminate.
He is too ignorant to reach a level such as simple minded.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by *Mag*: glass is that a flux capacitor?
comeon MAG, this is serious..
the basics are as follows..
if you can get two hydrogen molecules close enough together? they will overcome their repulsion caused by the friction of the elctrons and combine to make one molecule helium, which from Einsteins equations tells us we get a lot of energy too, (theoretically)including some ionizing radiation..
the hard part is getting the two H atoms to "mate"... they seem to be able to get real close when they are "packed" into certain metals like palladium, platinum and it also appears that, to much lesser degree, they "pack tighter" in stainless steel..
the electrolyte gets messy and contaminated if you use "plain steel" (cheap wire mesh), i tried it too to see what happens...
in the expeirements i linked? the process is a very low fusion activity process (if iti s actually fusion), which is a good thing cuz we don't really want super high energy out puts.. we want something safe and simple that could be used to run a small boiler in your garage or house to heat your home...
i've played around with some parts of it and found that potassium carbonate does in fact make water split into hydrogen and oxygen using less elecricity, when you use tungsten rods and stainless... (tungsten rods are TIG welding rods and the stainless is just high quaility windo screen)
i have yet to put the real power to it to create a plasma arc... plamsa arcs are like what is in neon signs or the bright light you see when you arc weld... the aurora borealis is like a plasma effect from the suns radation acting on the earth atmospheric gases... plasma is created when you "knock off" the outer electrons, and Hydrogen only has one to knock off...
i have yet to do the arc cuz i don't have a geiger counter and i don't trust it ...
all of the things you see used in the JNlabs expirement are available on ebay at one time or another, and if you're in hurry? radio shack even has some of the parts.....
it's not even rocket science... since i blow glass? i can make up the glass parts in my studio...
i even saw 100% platinum wire on ebay today which is better than stainless. but alot more expensive... i use platinum and palladium in some of glass work, but it's in very very very thin leaves, and won't give me good results...
i actually do alot of welding, but i don't want to risk radiation sickness if this actually worked...
Posted by *Mag* on :
Glass I read the links and what you posted; seriously, I have a science backround which means nothing, but I want to say that I have had some of my best laughs with science (Physics)professors. Dont want to upset any vets here... If you are afraid of radiation sickness perhaps you can get a couple of these (see link below) to ease your mind if you decide to proceed with your testing and always keep some potassium iodide handy to protect your thyroid just in case...
FWIW I pulled this... Flux is commonly used in electronics and electromagnetic theory and application, but rarely in the context of a capacitor. In general terms, flux simply means the rate at which some quantity (such as electric charge or magnetic field) changes through a conductor (e.g. charge flux). While they are not generally called flux capacitors, the common inductor is an electrical component whose function in many contexts could be thought of as a flux capacitor - it consists of a coil of wire that converts and stores electrical energy as a magnetic field where it can be retrieved when the magnetic lines of flux collapse. Posted by Machiavelli on :
quote: as long as people keep electing people that put themselves first? this pattern will continue..
I don't know any politician that doesn't put himself/herself first before the "people" regardless of what party and what words they use...
quote:America was based on the principle of Government FOR the people and BY the people..
That is just a saying in my book.. I never seen any evidence of it throughout American history from the time George Washington became president to the present time... there is always self interest in politics no matter what...
quote:today? we have a govt for the corporations and by the corporations. and hillary represents that pattern as much as any neo-con.
Your dreaming in a fantasy world if you think the GOP don't do the same thing. In fact I would say they do it much much more then the Left... Hillary whether you like to admit it or not still fights for the little guy unlike the GOP who fights for the rich guys or big Corps... does Hillary do things for Corps? yes of course she does.. but it's a means to a end what she does... and it is meant to help the unfortunate... the GOP only wants to help the fortunate...
Posted by Machiavelli on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: uranium sucks, munchie.
looks good on paper, till you factor in all the costs
what about the "accidents" that can happen with it...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by *Mag*: Glass I read the links and what you posted; seriously, I have a science backround which means nothing, but I want to say that I have had some of my best laughs with science (Physics)professors. Dont want to upset any vets here... If you are afraid of radiation sickness perhaps you can get a couple of these (see link below) to ease your mind if you decide to proceed with your testing and always keep some potassium iodide handy to protect your thyroid just in case...
FWIW I pulled this... Flux is commonly used in electronics and electromagnetic theory and application, but rarely in the context of a capacitor. In general terms, flux simply means the rate at which some quantity (such as electric charge or magnetic field) changes through a conductor (e.g. charge flux). While they are not generally called flux capacitors, the common inductor is an electrical component whose function in many contexts could be thought of as a flux capacitor - it consists of a coil of wire that converts and stores electrical energy as a magnetic field where it can be retrieved when the magnetic lines of flux collapse.
OK, sorry, i thought you were talking about the time machine thingy that whatzizname strapped to the deLorean in back to the future..
as for radiation sickness? i guess i'm just paranoid
when i enlisted? they tried to get me to go into nuke propulsion, i refused, and in doing so, i turned down a great education courtesy of the USN... so they put me in charge of warheads (and of course they didn't tell me that's what the job entailed until i was already committed, and the education in that program was not nearly as comprehensive )... Posted by bdgee on :
One of the great lies of the last three to four decades is the claim that democrat and liberal are synonyms and so are republican and conservative. There are quite conservative democrats (leave out Lieberman...he is a republican in sheep's clothing and always has been....Ron Paul also suspiciously announces his party) and some republicans that stand way to the south side of Wes Boyd, in spite of the idiocy spewed by fanatical extremist radio talk gurus.
Having so little education or imagination that you cannot conceive of a modern world not absolutely dependent on fossil fuel makes you ignorant, not conservative, and, having a wide and deep breadth of intellect, so that you may engage in consideration of topics that can confuse the uninformed does not force you to claim or act as liberal. Neither enlightenment nor ignorance is an absolute political constraint and it is clearly evident that each has less influence on an individual's "choice' of political affiliation than do the political biases and teachings of a parent.
Posted by *Mag* on :
Hey glass we are all in a state of flux and my thoughts tend to overlap at times; I sure did mention the flux capacitor to get a chuckle (usually tomatoes get thrown at me with my 1 liners, can't help it, I am a sucker for those movies, #3 was weak though) because it does bear a loose resemblance visually to the back to the future object but loosely it deals with electrical energy (I have always been fascinated by magnetic fields I was thinking as I was reading what you wrote that many science fiction concepts have actually manifested into reality(exaple flip top communicators in the 60's star trek - today flip top cell phones). Man is an amazing creature; we are able to invent/improve/adapt such modern marvels; finding an efficient alternative energy imo is not a difficult task for man. Getting man to actively drop the *old* ways of doing things and venture in a new direction is a force that is holding us back and we know that the greatest force pushing for slowed progress is oil is profitable for a select elite. It will take that monitary fascilitation to move us into a new direction... ohhh method man you were so wise... cash moves everything around me; get the money dolla dolla bill yall...
Posted by glassman on :
you are so right. i've read one heck ofalot of pulp sci-fi and good sci-fi... 20,000 leagues under the sea?
as for not seeing what's right in front of us sometimes? the Mayans were much more mathematically advanced than Eurasians of the same time period... they even knew there was an extra few hours each year. the Euros were generations behind on that...
they had childrens toys with wheels on them, BUT no carts or wheeled tools? go figure?...
i could be wrong, but i beleive they didn't even have potters wheels, yet they made alot of pottery... Posted by The Bigfoot on :
I still believe that anyone who is trying to make their fortune in Oil right now is taking blood money and only setting the stage for further conflicts down the line.
I will not knowingly partake in the oil market until all this settles down.
Biofuels and alternative energies yes, but for me the oil market is off limits and has been for over a year now.
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
BF
Posted by *Mag* on :
WOW Amazing just looked that up; I didn't know that the Mayan childrens toys had wheels on them; so easy even a cave man could do it... as for not seeing what's right in front of us sometimes?seeing Remindes me of the story of the telescope discovery credited to Hans Lippershey. People made lenses and were wearing glasses for hundreds of years prior to the invention of the telescope. I read that Kepler (astronomer) wore glasses himself, but the discovery of a telescope even eluded his brilliant mind. Lets see ummmm putting two lenses together ahhhh eureka a telescope/binocular.
Posted by bdgee on :
I've seen objectors to global warming citing a scare from a detailed study of the late 19th century about the amount of horse manure the population size off a major city had cause and how it was so large that the city (Philadelphia, I think) could not grow any longer. Of course, they are quick to insist that that prediction of doom was obviously false, as history proves. They want us to buy into the notion that, just as that detailed and carefully developed theory reached faulty conclusions, analogously, the carefully developed theories of global warming with its conclusions must be given equal weight.
However, not a single one of them bothered to acknowledge that it was the altered means of transportation and energy production brought about by fossil fuel use (MOSTLY OIL) that made made it possible for large cities to continue to grow and the human race, as they knew it, to continue and prosper.
The study wasn't wrong! It was based on an assumption that horse drawn and carried transportation was the only practical means available and, were that the case, the study's conclusions would have been correct.
What was wrong was the notion that the human race must persist in the use of a destructive practice in order to survive, i.e., that because most people could not foresee human developement proceeding without depending on horses, they could assume further developement of human society was ending. (Just a wee bit of lack of imagination and determination, like the 19th century claim that all that was left to learn about physics was in the 5th decimal place.)
Eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels (or any other system that eventually amounts to the same or similar conflicts with the environment or even different ones like nuclear power), like we eliminated the dependence on horses and we have a chance.
Keep insisting on this absurd assumption that no other methods are feasible for the production of energy and we are doomed, along with every big eyed cute little spotted puppy that had no option in the decision and only wants a chance to live, along with your sister Sally's yet unborn child.
Let's get off this backward politically driven approach to the problem and find a new way!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote: as long as people keep electing people that put themselves first? this pattern will continue..
I don't know any politician that doesn't put himself/herself first before the "people" regardless of what party and what words they use...
quote:America was based on the principle of Government FOR the people and BY the people..
That is just a saying in my book.. I never seen any evidence of it throughout American history from the time George Washington became president to the present time... there is always self interest in politics no matter what...
quote:today? we have a govt for the corporations and by the corporations. and hillary represents that pattern as much as any neo-con.
Your dreaming in a fantasy world if you think the GOP don't do the same thing. In fact I would say they do it much much more then the Left... Hillary whether you like to admit it or not still fights for the little guy unlike the GOP who fights for the rich guys or big Corps... does Hillary do things for Corps? yes of course she does.. but it's a means to a end what she does... and it is meant to help the unfortunate... the GOP only wants to help the fortunate...
so? what you're saying is Hillary will do better than Bush?
oddly enought that's what i hear hillary saying too..
and that is ALL i hear her saying... she won't say what she will do..
PS: almost any Jr High student could do better than Bush IMO...
Posted by BooDog on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: PS: almost any Jr High student could do better than Bush IMO...
no doubt. But then that would suppose a collective body making decisions together for the betterment of all. Key word being decision. Hillary can't decide which way is up imo. At least not publicly. And Bush doesn't have much face left.
edited: Thought it was any Jr. High school not just 1 student. Posted by bdgee on :
Boo, ya haveta admit, though, unlike "The Great Decider", she can't decide. Dubya has an almost unblemished record of always deciding wrong and for all the wrong reasons.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
This guy is really killing our economy. These oil prices are really getting bad and the middle and lower class are taking a beating.
I am looking at houses that are for sale around here and the prices are being lowered more and more. A lot more foreclosers are coming. The news media is a ways behind what is really happening and the facts.
I sure hope we see a turn around in tactics on the way to handle the sinking economy especially for these young families.
Posted by BooDog on :
We are up .10 - .15 since Monday here in Virginia Beach. Also - I just found 2 houses right next to eachother - one colonial and 1 ranch both priced the same and imo about 30% higher priced than what they should be imo considering they are basing their price on a sellers market which came to a screetching halt about 6 months ago. Watching the sells and the buys dry up even in a military town where properties seem to be pretty liquid because of the inbound and outbound transfers. The 1% reduction signs are all over the place along with closing cost assistance - home warranties - but the prices are still trying to hang on. There are also those that are low balling in attempts to get a bidding war going. Pretty crazy everywhere imo.
Posted by BooDog on :
oops make that gas up .20 since Monday. Now at 2.75. I hear gas will be easily back over $3 very soon and may climb close to $4. This is for my area. $100 barrels are just a blink away.
Posted by bdgee on :
Cost me over $100 to fill up our two today.
Posted by T e x on :
What's sick?
A good strong boycott by consumers would tumble pump prices...but it just won't happen.
This has nothing to do with cost of production...
Posted by BooDog on :
Boycott would be great. But great for who? Local transportation would get a boost - buss fare, train fare and such. Just what % would be prepared to not fill up for any certain amount of time? What % even has a clue which bus route or train line to take to get to work? lol What % even knows someone or a couple people that live within even a 5-7 mile radius of them that they see at work everyday or are in the building right next to them so maybe they could car pool?
Posted by bdgee on :
What % lives where there are buses or trains to ride?
Posted by BooDog on :
If ever such an event could be organized I'm in. Call it National Ride your bike / car pool / leave the car behind day / whatever. Just 1 day. Then next time 2.
Posted by T e x on :
No, it would have to be a "sickout" or ride with a buddy...
but as mentioned... won't happen.
If we still had that spirit? would've been crowds in the street during the Florida "chads" debacle.
Posted by glassman on :
hey tex, how come we need four g-d-m wires on a 240 appliance?
i hate this ground-neutral crap...
check this out: Fixed appliances on three-wire circuits
In the USA, the chassis/cases of some ovens and clothes dryers were grounded through their neutral wires, as a measure to conserve copper during the Second World War. This practice was removed from the NEC in the 1996 edition, but existing installations may still allow the chassis/case grounding of such appliances to be connected to the neutral conductor. Note that the NEC may be amended by local regulations in each state and city. This practice arose from the three wire system used to supply both 120 volt and 240 volt loads. Because ovens and dryers have components that use both 120 and 240 volts there is often some current on the neutral wire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_and_neutral
maybe with the sky high price of copper we should go back to three wires systems? (JK)
this furnace i'm hooking up needs both 240 and 120 .. the control computer only needs 120, and it don't seem right to bond the neutral and the ground... LOL... i'm gonna set the computer up on it's own circuit from the main panel and put an UPS on it...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Seems like we use to built those old 5 tube superheterodyne radio's and sometimes just attach to some conduit for our ground. Instead of wire just use a piece of L bracket metal as our conductor to the conduit(kind of a one wire system) especially when we short of wire.
Remember those old wind up generator phones i do not remember the name. (i am guessing from WW2) We use to run some wire from them, then find a friend that did not know what they were and have him hold one end of those wires while we crank those buggers up.
Kind of what they use for electic muscle stimulation in physical therapy but you would get your therapy in one quick dose at no charge.
Posted by glassman on :
ever seen a car set up with an extra coil attached to the body to keep people from touching/leaning? Posted by T e x on :
back in the day? commercial and industrial used da pipe for ground. Homeowners were left to depend solely on the breakers. Some brands were not dependable.
sure... neutral and ground is same bus, at the panel.
Nowadays, with all the "flex" and "seal-tite" that's available, ground is even more important. Anything metal can transfer.
We ground at every opportunity. Is one thing to get hit with "hot" side...VERRYY bad, KILL-DEATH to get between a wrong neutral and the panel.
Posted by glassman on :
yeah, i have a copper rod bonded to the main box and driven into the ground.. i'm gonna run a 6 bare copper wire inside the BX and bond it (cuz the BX armour is aluminum these days), PLUS a neutral, and i'm still gonna isolate the 'puter on an UPS so when the squirrels pee on the high tension wires from transformers my system will stay "awake"... we must kill about three squirrels a month on our part of the grid 'round here.. they sound like shotguns goin' off
with nat gas at 8$ today? this thing is already paying for itself and i haven't even turned it on yet Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Seems like we use to built those old 5 tube superheterodyne radio's and sometimes just attach to some conduit for our ground. Instead of wire just use a piece of L bracket metal as our conductor to the conduit(kind of a one wire system) especially when we short of wire.
Remember those old wind up generator phones i do not remember the name. (i am guessing from WW2) We use to run some wire from them, then find a friend that did not know what they were and have him hold one end of those wires while we crank those buggers up.
Kind of what they use for electic muscle stimulation in physical therapy but you would get your therapy in one quick dose at no charge.
i once had one of these... they are fun... more fun if you have two, (i didn't ) LOL...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
My mom still has the old screw in fuses and many of the same boxes on a house she has lived in for 60+ years. At 89 she still seems happy with the wiring and old gas heater on wall extending under feet.
With all the big voltages and amps and the new applications today, its just a complete different ballgame. Although if you know the basic electronics-electicity and follow schematic diagrams well you can continually refresh yourself to keep up. I use to when i had to but have given it up in recent years, not much interest anymore. You do not have that choice if its your job unfortunatly.
Posted by glassman on :
i am building an electric melt furnace for my glass... after it's running i'll put up a snapshot...
in the past we used nat gas or propane... i have propane bills from '03 that were 69 cents a gallon... propane is a byproduct of oil to gasoline...
the cheapest this year was 2.11 and nat gas went from under 4$ a million cubic feet to over 8 today, and "analysts" say that's still cheap compared to oil...
electric is now cheaper, but it wasn't....
the times are changing...
next year? i hope to get our state to pass a law requiring the electric co to allow us to hook solar to the grid... TX and ARK have laws but not MS... same electric co has to let them do it but they won't let me...
i can't run an 18KW furnace on full solar so i have to put it on the grid to offset costs...
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Glassman, i remember some similiar to those also. I looked a litlle bit on the internet and could not find any that looked like the ones i had. They were probably 1 ft. x 1 ft. and pretty heavy for a field phone, of course i was probably only 13 or 14 at the time.
I did have many of those units, my father use to go to auctions and get carried away every so often. He would just store them at the factory planning on re-selling everything, never happened. Great for me lots of spare parts, and old navy radios. I had a buddy whose dad worked for JPL and we use to get some excess electronics parts from him also. We would built stuff when we were not doing other activities.
Posted by glassman on :
sadly? i also "ruined/wore out" some authentic german ww2 helmets, i hear some of them bring big bucks today... none of 'em had the spike on top... that woulda been even more fun to ruin Posted by R1 Man on :
Glassman......I like this technology better then what you were saying.
MUST WATCH VIDEO!!!!
http://www.crazy s h i t.com/cnt/medias/9031
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: sadly? i also "ruined/wore out" some authentic german ww2 helmets, i hear some of them bring big bucks today... none of 'em had the spike on top... that woulda been even more fun to ruin
still got mine (no spike), and a bayonet, too. Right beside my desk, in fact. My Dad's pal took 'em as "spoils." He loved to fight. Was a great singer, too. He sang Maria at my sister's wedding. I sometimes think about the extremes inherent: guy's got a voice that can make you cry, and he loves to fight. Affinity for drama is all I can figger...
my "aside" for the day... Posted by bdgee on :
Fox news?
Oh, sure, I believe that. After all, they also assured me once that there is a perpetual motion machine and are still claiming Saddam had huge stores of WMDs.
Posted by T e x on :
dang, beedge, we had this steered pretty well off-topic...
Posted by bdgee on :
yup
Posted by BooDog on :
I was waiting for you guys to start posting your WWII favorite movies. Votes for Odball!! Donald Southerland in Kelly's Heroes.... "stop with the negative waves man!" nice link with the hydrogen car R1 Man pretty cool stuff.
Posted by glassman on :
OK R1 man, this guy may very well have some unique more efficient way of splitting water...
couple of points: he says he goes 100 miles on 4 OZ of water? he MUST be recycling the water over and over again...
cuz Hydrogen doesn't have that many BTU's...
thing is? you still have to use electricity to split the water...
notice he is using hybrid technology not JUST water...
my guess is he using the batteries to split the water, and the gasoline or deisel to recharge teh batteries...
he's a good salesman...
as for the hydrogen torch? that's also a neat trick, but glass torch workers ( as opposed to furnace workers) have had the option of using hydrogen mixes for several years.. however? i have never seen a commercially available hydrogen only torch cuz they aren't hot enough...
heat transfer is pretty interesting. that's the curious thing about his torch. for instance ? propane transfers heat alot better than natural gas... i have always chosen propane over natural gas when i could.
Posted by glassman on :
oil closed at 95.93 today..
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YES IT DID! Posted by glassman on :
this current runup is a reverse action compared to the runups of the last five years...
every runup i watched since '04 has been driven by a rising gasoline price..
this time gasoline is lagging....
i think the underlying reason is the weakening dollar, the risk factors are making the price rise a little faster than i expected... electricity is droppping...
Hey, ever wonder if people can buy the commodities and trade them? What if we could trade gasoline week to week? Not a company that sells gas....but the actual price.
Maybe I'm asking the lazy way...but I watch them in the paper all the time and never investigated them.
Posted by Munchkin Man on :
quote:Originally posted by BooDog: We are up .10 - .15 since Monday here in Virginia Beach.
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