I know this is a stock board, but Bonds* is up (and I say that with a " * "). One home run over The Babe. It just ain't right.
Why wouldn't they just give him one test for steriods when he was under so much suspicion?(and his new XXL dome)lol. Because it's all about the money. 715 what a joke! Hank did it CLEAN! And The Babe did it in ALOT FEWER SWINGS! *****************************************************************
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
Highway,
Would that test check to see if he hits more home runs when his levels are higher or lower. Bonds and Griffy do have the best swings in baseball lots of work and good training have done that, thats the part you want kids to know. He has a lot of bitterness maybe rightfully so, and that has been carried with him through his career, unfortunately all the money and records might not mean much as his health starts to fail because of the steriods thats to bad. He has that drive to be the best and to do whatever he needs to achieve that, that's one of reasons why we need rules against these drugs to help protect athletes from themselves.
Posted by HILANDER on :
No one should have pitched to him. Just intentionaly walk him every at bat. I just can't wait for him to go to jail for perjury and hopefully get the Pete Rose treatment and get banned from baseball.
Posted by Peaser01 on :
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: No one should have pitched to him. Just intentionaly walk him every at bat. I just can't wait for him to go to jail for perjury and hopefully get the Pete Rose treatment and get banned from baseball.
Too much circumstantial evidence + hearsay IMO.
Posted by westcott on :
Bonds is simply a product of Major League's exceedingly soft stance on performance enhancing drugs. MBL effectively enabled Bonds by their loose policy. I am not a fan of Bonds at all; however, 700+ homeruns on drugs or no drugs is extremely impressive. Sure, Dbol, test, Deca, Insulin, GH and the rest will give you more power and the ability to recover more quickly, but enhance hand-eye coordination? I think not.
Not to mention: how many pitchers or outfielders who leaped to catch balls over walls, stealing HRs from Bonds, were on the stuff during the same period of time?
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What I think is even more disgusting is what the Houston Astros have agreed to pay Clemens for the balance of the season. When Clemens is ready to take the mound there will be ~100 games remaining. Let's say Houston has a 5 man rotation at the time, so Clemens might start 20 games. Last year, Clemens had about 67% of his games go to decision where he won about 62% of the time.
So a little extrapolation has the Astros paying $22 million for 8 wins.
Noice!
Posted by Highway on :
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: No one should have pitched to him. Just intentionaly walk him every at bat. I just can't wait for him to go to jail for perjury and hopefully get the Pete Rose treatment and get banned from baseball.
Forget that, they should have beaned him every he came to bat.LOL Untill every pitcher in the league was suspended, or Bonds* gave up. What ever came first.LOL
That would have set quite the historical precedent, huh?LOL
Posted by Highway on :
quote:Originally posted by westcott: 700+ homeruns on drugs or no drugs is extremely impressive. Sure, Dbol, test, Deca, Insulin, GH and the rest will give you more power and the ability to recover more quickly, but enhance hand-eye coordination? I think not.
I see what you're saying, but if the juice gives you more power, then he has the extra bat speed he needed to take on alot of the pitches he couldn't have hit without the drugs.
Posted by glassman on :
i hear rumors that steroids aren't even the biggest problem in baseball.... rumors are that meth is the biggest problem in baseball.... so maybe the Bonds *question* isn't that bigga deal?
before cocaine became a controlled susbstance? it was commonly and openly used on the baseball feild....
and? it is reported that it was commonly used (covertkly) in the 80's as well...
Posted by Highway on :
And? Wasn't our pres. G.W., a part-owner of the Texas Rangers back in the 80's?LOL
I hear rumors coke makes you lose the weight, not pack it on.lol
I'd like to think I could strike out a crack-head over a Steriod-Floyd... if I had too.LOL
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Highway:
quote:I'd like to think I could strike out a crack-head
You meant a crack-whore, right?
Posted by Peaser01 on :
Even, the stolen base leader had bulked up in his later years. Hmm?
Now he was a cocky individual.
Posted by Highway on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: Posted by Highway:
quote:I'd like to think I could strike out a crack-head
You meant a crack-whore, right?
LMAO Upman.
You know, you never see a crack-ho walking into a Chinese food buffet...
Posted by Highway on :
quote:Originally posted by Peaser01: Even, the stolen base leader had bulked up in his later years. Hmm?
Now he was a cocky individual.
Ricky?
I have some of his rookie cards, also have some Bonds*. Bonds* sure doesn't look anywhere as hugh as did when he started, just his dome alone for starters.lol ...some expensive cards just for what they are.
Posted by permanentjaun on :
Bonds needs to be erased from any and all MLB records. I believe it is pretty obvious he has or is using steroids. Why should a professional sport not test their athletes for performance enhancing or recreational drugs? The Olympics test all athletes after competion, probably before as well, and so should professional sports.
Bonds isn't just inflating his records. Think of the pitchers statistics he is ruining by hitting home runs instead of pop flys. Think of the team records that are changed because a solo shot takes a team out of playoff contention. There is not a single baseball statistic bonds is affecting; his, his teams, and every other team's.
The mere fact that he is doing that should be enough to strike him from the records. Then think about all the millions in sports betting that he is affecting. He shouldn't be allowed to do what he is doing.
I do not see a "The Sandlot" being made about a ball signed by Barry Bonds or any of his types. Matt
Posted by HILANDER on :
Pete Rose got banned, but at least his records are all legitimate. Bonds should be banned.
Posted by Highway on :
Are the Cards going to K.O. the other N.Y. team tonight?
Posted by Highway on :
(AP)
Baseball fanatics won't have to leave behind their beloved teams when they finally go to that big stadium in the sky. Instead, they'll soon be able to rest in peace inside a coffin with team colors and insignia.
Major League Baseball has a marketing deal with a company called Eternal Image. It'll put team logos on caskets and urns. The effort begins next season with the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Phillies, Cubs and Dodgers. It could eventually include all 30 teams.
Posted by retiredat49 on :
quote:Originally posted by Highway: Are the Cards going to K.O. the other N.Y. team tonight?
Well they are sure putting the hurts to the Tigers tonite...
Posted by skip on :
Cards win!!!
Bodog paid -120 on Cardinals +1.5!
Ha!
out to spend my winnings... Posted by Highway on :
Good call on the road dog Skip... I sit it out, I didn't have any idea how it'd go last night.
The Tigers were well rested, but you can get too rested. And, they lost 33 of their last 50 games to end the season. So, looks like they can be beat.
Posted by skip on :
Thanks man. Well they are giving similar odds today, -130 on Cards +1.5.
I am a cards fan from way back, but 2 in a row in Detroit? Not sure about that. But I might still throw a little at it to make watching the game more fun.
If they do win tonight, though, I'd say they will go all the way.
Posted by Highway on :
Yeah, I'm a long time fan too, go back as far as to say I saw Ozzy Smith do a pregame backflip as a kid. But... I think I'll sit this one out too. I'll be pulling for 'em though.
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Tigers tie it up...smart move not to bet against Detroit last night. Should be a great series...
Posted by trade04 on :
who is to say babe ruth didnt take steroids? think about it...drugs were much more accesible back then
Posted by jordanreed on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: who is to say babe ruth didnt take steroids? think about it...drugs were much more accesible back then
Are you sure "steroids" were even known when Ruth played?
Too, I'm convinced that Ruth would have done anything that would give him a thrill or high. He'd eat hot dogs by the dozen to show off and smoked cigars like anyone else did cigarettes. But intentional effort to better his body isn't a thing I ever heard of Ruth doing.
When did steroids become a possibility?
Posted by bond006 on :
First of all.
(1) Christ was not an American he was cocerned with the kingdom of god.
If you are a christian and a believer you would have to ask your self why would god be concerned about America over any other country.
(2) Our past is certainly not the path a real Christian would have taken.
The policy of our Government was to make sure slavery stayed as an economic institution and when we needed there land we took it from the native americans even if that method ment genocide. And we used the support of established religion to help justify this.
(3) And if that is not enough the people that stole and abused everything there turn in the barrel came when the railroads expanded, and the new industrialist need there land for natural resourses. If they could not buy it they just killed people and took it. And when they needed people to work they just brought in new slaves Chinese and the Irish. That they worked to death
I could give anybody an in depth study and paper on this but that would not be my reason here. If this sounds Christ like to you you need a check up from the neck up.
Like our loyal presidents followers a few slogans and some jargon are all they use to say I am Christian and I am right. You follow me. I long for the old days ect,ect and ect.
Our Governemnt from the begging has always represented the ruling blok of capitol at the time and protected it. If you want to praise people praise all the good people in our past Christian and other that fought to give us rights,like voting womens sufferage,the abolishinist movement and the labor movment that nobody today has the guts to start again and that includes the unions who people gave there lives up so unions could be legal. Look at the milk toasts that run unions today.
Posted by bond006 on :
Wrong board I am soory
Posted by Highway on :
The babe on roids,LOL. Are you jokin'?
In 1935, the male hormone testosterone was first synthesized. During World War II, German soldiers were reportedly given testosterone to increase their performance and aggressiveness on the battlefield.
From the 1950s into the 1970s, both rumors and facts of performance-enhancing drug use combined to increase actual use. Many athletes seemed to believe they had to use in order to remain competitive. Those athletes who require bulk and strength to be competitive, like bodybuilders, football players, and shotput throwers, were the first to abuse anabolic-androgenic steroids. During the 1970's demand for anabolic-androgenic steroids grew as athletes in speed-dependent sports discovered some of the potential benefits to using anabolic-androgenic steroids. For one thing, the drugs allow athletes to train harder because muscle strains and tears repair themselves faster.
The Babe played from 1914 to 1935. In 2503 games, with only 8399 at bats, he had 2873 hits, 714 dingers, 2211 rbi's, with a total batting avg. of .342.
Posted by Highway on :
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Tigers tie it up...smart move not to bet against Detroit last night. Should be a great series...
Yeah, Weaver doesn't make it much past 5 innings too often. LOL, Might go all in tomorrow with C.C pitching....
Posted by skip on :
quote:Originally posted by Highway: Yeah, I'm a long time fan too, go back as far as to say I saw Ozzy Smith do a pregame backflip as a kid. But... I think I'll sit this one out too. I'll be pulling for 'em though.
too funny!
That is the EXACT thing I say when folks ask how long I have been a cards fan! Vince Coleman, Willie Mcgee, Ozzie, Oquendo, Whitey Herzog at the helm. Ahhh, the good ol' days. Heck, I remember them winning the NLCS in 1985 and losing to the Royals in the series. Given, I was only 6, but I remember the wizard doin' the back flips...
Posted by Highway on :
I got an autograph from Stan the Man from my Granddad.... But long before my time,LOL.
Posted by skip on :
quote:Originally posted by Highway: I got an autograph from Stan the Man from my Granddad.... But long before my time,LOL.
No joke!?! My dad actually played golf with Stan Musial in the mid-eighties at a celebrity pro-am in Mt. Vernon, IL (where I was born). I have his autograph on the scorecard they used. Pretty neat. Small world.
Carpenter pitching tomorrow night? I am laying down some cash...
Posted by Highway on :
What was on pine tar doing on the Detroit's pitchers', pitching hand, if it was a DH hitting Game?
Posted by Highway on :
LOL, As big as it is, it is a small world.
Posted by Highway on :
Well C.C. payed, I mean played well. Don't know what's up with Sup...
Posted by retiredat49 on :
You "bet" he did......that guy can throw... I went to high school with Steve Howe...couldn't hit that guy to save my azz...
Posted by Highway on :
They going to get the game in tonight or what?
Posted by Bob Frey on :
LOL, thanks Mr. Frey. Looks like it may be a go. Might be a little rain...
Posted by skip on :
cards win! great game tonight. they are still paying, I mean, playing very well!
one more game to go!
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Skip...you mean 3 more games to go...
Posted by Highwaychild on :
well, he did it...what a shame!
Posted by T e x on :
if you're posting what I think you are?
will be forever tainted: "don't count"
Posted by Highwaychild on :
If Bonds never had a cc of roids, then Pete Rose never bet on baseball! What a joke... Arron earned his record...
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by Highway: I know this is a stock board, but Bonds* is up (and I say that with a " * "). One home run over The Babe. It just ain't right.
Why wouldn't they just give him one test for steriods when he was under so much suspicion?(and his new XXL dome)lol. Because it's all about the money. 715 what a joke! Hank did it CLEAN! And The Babe did it in ALOT FEWER SWINGS! *****************************************************************
I'm not gonna use any foul language to express my opinion, but.....You make me sick
I say that with all my heart....Your opinion is insane in my opinion.
Steroids has nothing to do with all his homeruns..
You can inject Derek Jeter (One of the best hitters) with steroids for 10 years....and he still won't be a Barry Bonds...
You obviously were never a good BB player....or knows what it feels like to make perfect contact several times a season...size and strength aren't the biggest contributing factors!!!
Babe Ruth led the league in strike outs to by the way...and didn't face3 differeent pitchers per game like a starter, setup guy, and a closer like rivera from the yankees....look at the year bonds hit over 70 hr's...and even with all the walks...
To have that kind of pace all season.....steroids can't help that level of skill to guess the right pitches and time the ball....it's pure skill
Only people hating on Bonds......are people that weren't good baseball player...othere wise you can't help but be amazed at what bonds have done...
Posted by Highwaychild on :
Well you give me mild indigestion... bonds never hit 50 in a season till he magicly hit 73 Mr. baseball...
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Give Steroids to jeter and see how many homeruns he hits the rest of his career....
Babe Ruth would be laughed off the feild by todays pitchers...
He's a dinosaur of baseball...He's a Great legend but lets stay in reality..
This is 2007 and the bar has been risen...Look at Bonds swing....it's the timing of his hips and swing...like Ken Griffy...who would broke the record also if he didn't get hurt...
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Oh by the way, since the initial ML testing revealed more pitchers than hitters were on steroids, that means over 40% of the pitchers Barry was facing were all pumped up on steroids. So I don't know how you figured he was cheating. Hank Aaron never had to face pitchers on steroids.
Posted by bdgee on :
Somewhere here there is some powerful irrationality.
Fandom seems to generate that sort of imballance.
Never-the-less, the discussion has been informative.
At first it seems to be a bit old fashioned, but I have learnt that it is acceptable for a Crip to kill a Blood, since most Bloods want him killed and everyone knows that Bloods do illegal and unethical things.
Applying this old fashioned sort of logic to a situation I watched a TV program about recently, I am to excuse the criminal for killing a judge he believed had participated in rigging the evidence in his trial, because the judge was probably crooked.
I think I see it now.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Soooooo....bdgee thinks Bonds is a Blood or a Crip???
Posted by bdgee on :
Nope, but I can see how some one that bleeds out such excuses as you have for Bonds could similarly misconstrue things to reach another absurd conclusion.
I see the Light Crust Dough Boy every time Bonds is pictured and I never saw that years ago. He "grew" over a single off season. I have a conclusion. It doesn't require twisted logic.
Posted by glassman on :
i don't see why everybody gets upset about 'roids...
the users pay a heavy price...
they pay an even heavier price when it's illegal...
'roids don't increase hand-eye "connectivity"
the Babe was not known for his "social skills"
Hank was/is a class act...
Posted by Happy Valley on :
Anybody else just tired of this whole story...I understand the magnitude of Bonds breaking Hanks record, but do we really need to hear about it 24/7...It would be nice to turn on ESPN one time this weekend and see if Tiger can catch Sabbatini or what the latest news is out of NFL camps etc...A-Rod can't break this record soon enough IMO...
Posted by bdgee on :
Personally, Happy Valley, I've been fed Tiger Woods a lot more than Barry Bonds over the last several years and I'm truly sick and tired of hearing about Mr. Perfect.
As to that other Mr. Perfect. Mr. A-Rod, I note that each of those that Jose Canseco has named a user has been completely unable to demonstrate that Jose spoke out of turn and several, who screamed foul at his accusations (Palmero, for example), have been proved to be exactly what he said they were.
Posted by glassman on :
Robby Gordon is on ESPN too, he got in trouble for disputing where he was supposed to be on a restart in Montreal Posted by Happy Valley on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bdgee: [QB] Personally, Happy Valley, I've been fed Tiger Woods a lot more than Barry Bonds over the last several years and I'm truly sick and tired of hearing about Mr. Perfect.
LOL, point taken...Very hard to disagree with you there...
Posted by bdgee on :
Still, I prefer trash talk about Bonds and worship services for A-rod to anything more on some obscure member of the Kennedy family facing charges or a law suit or any mention of O.J., be it pro or con, and all I want to see of Brittany Spears are photos.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
The times they have changed for the national past time. Big money, long sports talk shows and many other things, make professional sports get rather old. (can not think of one good word to decribe it)
Here i go on another grandson story, you might be getting a little tired of them.
Took him fishing the other day, do it every so often, but this time we went fishing off he pier. Bought a little pocket radio for $6.00 hard to beat that, then when we got to the pier i turned on the Dodger game.(i am not a fan of them anymore) The Dodgers do have one of the best things going in baseball and have had for a lot of years, his name is Vin Scully. Play by play there is no one better 50 years with the Dodgers. What a wealth of information and a pleasure to listen to, more guys like him could sure help professional sports out and sports talk shows.
My grandson loved listening to the game with Vin Scullys play by play, that's what he told me after his chocolate milkshake.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
In an interview with HBO’s “Real Sports” 7/14/2007 Sheffield addressed the issue of steroids in baseball and more directly removed himself from the dialogue that has been surrounding San Francisco Giants’ slugger Barry Bonds. Saying “if I took what Barry Bonds took, why don't I look like him,” Sheffield admitted to taking steroids but claimed he was unaware of what the substance was when he used it.
Posted by bdgee on :
Never get tired of the grandson stories. They are really about teaching the next generation about the pleasures and responsibilities of society.
I have to wonder if Sheffield actually knows he took the same thing as Bonds or if he took as much. Also, he already had some of that look before. We are not talking about anyone that would look out of place at a muscle man competition, before or after.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
We could ask the Governor of California about this question might have some good insight.
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
My personal guess is that taking steroids does help hitters hit the ball further. That is "if" they maintain the same swing and balance they had before they took them, which is a very important point, because sometimes when you change the stucture of your body it can change your mechanics. The same is true for pitchers, even more so.
Strength and size does help hit the ball further, but you have to have a sweet swing to constantly hit home runs and Bonds and others do have that. The steroids have helped him reach his goal sooner rather than later.
Hitters need good extension, good balance, finish their swing, hit through the ball not to it, keep the top hand from rolling over as long as possible, good eyesight, on and on it goes... But to make it simple, they need to watch the ball and hit it, easier said than done.
Some of the things that have also helped athletes break so many long standing records are the advancements in training, medical procedures, nutrition etc. All of these factors help athletes to play longer and recover from injuries much quicker.
There are so many records falling so often these days that i think some of us lose interest in the stories behind them. Somehow the excitement just isn't there for me as it use to be.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
I'd say it dosn't hurt their bat speed either... getting around on balls they wouldn't normally get around on.
Posted by Highwaychild on :
As of Thursday night, the deal in place for Rodriguez calls for a base of $275 million for 10 years. But the sides were still negotiating a way for him to share in the revenue created by his pursuit of Bonds' tainted record.
Posted by Machiavelli on :
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: No one should have pitched to him. Just intentionaly walk him every at bat. I just can't wait for him to go to jail for perjury and hopefully get the Pete Rose treatment and get banned from baseball.
+10
Posted by glassman on :
if he lied? and they prove it? he should go to jail...
as for not pitching to him? how many of the pitchers are using steroids to get an extra 5mph? or back in the lineup quicker, or stay in that extra inning, or pitch an extra couple of seasons?
RUMORS are that there was just as much or more meth in baseball as there was 'roids...
Posted by bdgee on :
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