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Thirty-five percent of New Jersey conservative voters think Obama may be the Anti-Christ.
A new Public Policy Polling survey of New Jersey voters has some shocking results: 21 percent either believe or aren’t sure that President Obama is the Anti-Christ. Twenty-nine percent of Republicans and 35 percent of “conservative” voters also either believe he is or aren’t sure.
Not surprisingly, this meme has also been pushed by Fox News host Glenn Beck, who brought on controversial pastor John Hagee last year and asked, “There are people– they say this about Bill Clinton — he might be the Antichrist. Odds that Barack Obama is the Antichrist?”

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Remind me again... What was it "Liberals" thought of Bush?
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[Big Grin]

Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends
Catholic New Times, May 18, 2003

WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the anti-Christ."
Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel."

The pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim they had not seen the pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the pope did convince the leaders of Mexico, Chile, Cameroon and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution.

Madsen contends that "Bush is a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult."


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880/

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it seems his wife does too:
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Tea Baggers Who Feel They’re ‘Taxed Enough Already’ Gripe About Inadequate Service In…Public Transit
Last weekend, tens of thousands of right-wing protesters invaded Washington, DC for the 912 March. Not only were they rallying against President Obama’s plans for health care reform, but more generally against “socialism,” government-run services, and too much taxation.

A large number of the tea party protesters relied on DC’s transit system to get around the city. The Washington Metropolitan Transit Authority (WMATA) reported that on Sept. 12, metrorail ridership was double compared to an average Saturday. The Washington metro, of course, is public transit — in other words, it’s run by big government. Nevertheless, Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) has written a letter to WMATA complaining that the service wasn’t good enough for the tea baggers:

“These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration,” Brady wrote. “These participants, whose tax dollars were used to create and maintain this public transit system, were frustrated and disappointed that our nation’s capital did not make a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit for them.”

A spokesman for Brady says that “there weren’t enough cars and there weren’t enough trains.” Brady tweeted as much from the Saturday march. “METRO did not prepare for Tea Party March! More stories. People couldn’t get on, missed start of march. I will demand answers from Metro,” he wrote on Twitter.

In his letter, Brady also complained that overcrowding on the metro trains
“forced an 80-year-old woman and elderly veterans in wheelchairs to pay for cabs” — in other words, to rely on the non-government-run transportation system, which tea party protesters would presumably want to support.

A large part of the reason that the DC metro has had so many problems in recent years is that it doesn’t “have dedicated tax revenue.” It has often run into protests from people such Sen. Tom Coburn (R-TX), who has said that we shouldn’t “steal opportunity from our children so that we can have a ride on the Metro.” The American Public Transportation Association says that “recession-imposed limits on government budgets and increased demand are doubtless among the reasons why ‘transit systems are strained all over the country.’”

Americans around the country are relying on metro more than ever. Last year, they took 10.7 billion trips, the highest level in 52 years. The American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials reports that “an annual investment of $46 billion is needed to keep up with an expected 2.4 percent annual growth in ridership,” but in 2006, “transit capital from all levels of government amounted to only $13.3 billion.”

As for Brady…John Cole points out that when a bill containing $150 million for emergency maintenance funding for the DC metro system came up this summer, Brady voted against it.

Update On DailyKos, Electa**** lists some of the socialist services the tea parties used while in DC. Culture of Truth writes, "But should you really take public transit to an anti-government protest?" Atrios adds, "This is also about people not from cities seeing cities - especially DC - as big urban theme parks. The monorail ride broke down."
Update Steve Benen writes, "In some instances, Brady said constituents relied on private enterprise -- taxi cabs -- rather than the (ahem) public option. The conservative lawmaker described this as a bad thing. Local officials, Brady said, should have made "a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit" to the public. Read that sentence again and replace 'transit' with 'health care coverage.'"

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good find Bond.

one has to wonder where all these people were five years ago. oh, yeah, they were "happy" then [Wink]

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there must be a thousand different pictures of Bush saluting.

I live my life like theres no tomorrow
And all Ive got I had to steal
Least I dont need to beg or borrow [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
good find Bond.

one has to wonder where all these people were five years ago. oh, yeah, they were "happy" then [Wink]

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there must be a thousand different pictures of Bush saluting.

I live my life like theres no tomorrow
And all Ive got I had to steal
Least I dont need to beg or borrow [Wink]

Running with the Devil eh glassy? Van Halen was awesome back then!

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Touting Her Currency Conspiracy, Bachmann Insists: ‘This Is Not Michele Bachmann Being A Kook’
Earlier this week, right-wing fanatic Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) started peddling false conspiracy theories that the world was moving toward a unified global currency — and that the U.S. might join in as early as next week’s G-20 conference. The myth was started when China’s central bank governor suggested replacing the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Though the suggestion has nothing to do with a unified global currency, Fox News’ Major Garrett decided to ask President Obama whether he supported the fictional prospect of such a move. (Obama, for the record, does not.)

Today on Glenn Beck’s radio show, Bachmann declared that the U.S. will soon be moving to “give up the dollar as our currency and we would just go with a One World currency.” Such action, she warned, would mean the U.S. as a country would be “no more”:

BACHMANN: As you know, Russia, China, Brazil, India, South Africa, many nations have lined up now and have called for an international global currency, a One World currency and they want to get off of the dollar as the reserve currency.

BECK: Most people don’t understand, Michele, what that means.

BACHMANN: What that means is all of the countries in the world would have a single currency. We would give up the dollar as our currency and we would just go with a One World currency. … If we give up the dollar as our standard, and co-mingle the value of the dollar with the value of coinage in Zimbabwe, that dilutes our money supply. We lose control over our economy. And economic liberty is inextricably entwined with political liberty. Once you lose your economic freedom, you lose your political freedom. And then we are no more, as an exceptional nation, as we always have been. So this is imperative.

Bachmann claimed that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said he was “open” to the One World currency. (In reality, he only said he was open to changes in the IMF special drawing rights, and reaffirmed his commitment to the dollar.) Beck warned that speaking out about the global currency gets one labeled a “kook,” but Bachmann brushed off such concerns, saying she’s been called that “throughout [her] political career”:

BACHMANN: Well, Glenn, I have experienced that throughout my political career, being labeled a kook. It just happened again in a big story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. But all we have to do is point to the treasury secretary on tape, on camera. This is not Michele Bachmann being a kook. This is our treasury secretary on tape and on camera.

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BACHMANN: But let me tell you, there’s something that’s happening this week in congress that could be the eventual unraveling for our freedom and it was this. I have also asked the treasury secretary and Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chair, if they would categorically denounce taking the United States off of the dollar and putting us on an international global currency because as you know, Russia, China, Brazil, India, South Africa, many nations have lined up now and have called for an international global currency, a one world currency and they want to get off of the dollar as the reserve currency.

BECK: Most people don’t understand, Michele, what that means.

BACHMANN: What that means is all of the countries in the world would have a single currency. We would give up the dollar as our currency and we would just go with a one world currency and now for the first time we’re seeing major countries like China, India, Russia, countries like that calling for a one world currency and they want this discussion to occur at the G20. So I asked both the treasury secretary and the Federal Reserve chair if they would categorically denounce this. The reason why is because if we give up the dollar as our standard and commingle the value of a dollar with the value of coinage in Zimbabwe, that dilutes our money supply. We lose control over our economy and economic liberty is inextricably entwined with political liberty. Once you lose your economic freedom, you’ve lost your political freedom and then we are no more as an exceptional nation as we always have been. So this is imperative. Well, what happened, the day after I asked that question for the treasury secretary, secretary Geithner went before the council on foreign relations and the same subject came up. After that meeting after he categorically denounced it to me, he said to the council on foreign relations he would be open to this proposal of a single currency, of expanding the international monetary funds’ special drawing down rates. That’s what they’re called. And this created a huge firestorm which the value of the dollar literally tumbled upon his words when he said that.

BECK: Right. And then somebody said, “I think you want to revisit that again.” And he did and he said, “Well, no, I don’t mean…”

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BECK: And what’s going to happen is if you start to talk about a global currency which I’m telling you there’s no way out of what we’re doing now besides devaluing the dollar to pay off our debt and then have a new currency. There’s just no other way.

BACHMANN: But we can stop that.

BECK: Wait a minute. Congresswoman, what happens is when you stand up and when you say those things, then you’re deemed a kook. Then you’re deemed a militia member. And there are too many people in America that will still listen to the mainstream media. They will still listen to, you know, to those in Washington on both sides of the aisle that say, “Oh, no, well, that’s never going to happen.” And so they sit there and do nothing. And those who do want to do something are afraid because they don’t want to be deemed a kook. And they also are tired of being played by politicians in Washington.

BACHMANN: Well, Glenn, I have experienced that throughout my political career being labeled a kook. It just happened again in a big story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. But all we have to do is point to the treasury secretary on tape, on camera. This is not Michele Bachmann being a kook. This is our treasury secretary on tape and on camera. And also we now have countries across the world asking for this. That’s why I went to my fellow colleagues and I dropped a bill day before yesterday that would bind the president’s hands, that wouldn’t allow him to enter into a treaty or an international agreement to take us off the dollar and put us on an international currency.

Always keep in mind that these are not a couple of nuts living in the wilderness

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Always keep in mind that these are not a couple of nuts living in the wilderness

ahhh, yeah, well, they don't live in the wilderness, anyway [Big Grin] ...

if China Russia and the EU want a world currency? they'll make one simply by investing heavier in the IMF SDR's, they already exist it's just that they aren't heavily wieghted to US dollars.
At the moment, 65pc of the world's $6.8 trillion stash of foreign reserves is held in dollars. But the dollar makes up just 42pc of the basket weighting of SDRs. So any SDR purchase under current rules must favour the euro, yen and sterling.

however, it won't replace the US dollar for US.

the stupid part of this scare tactic is that a weaker dollar would make it easier to become a producer (again), instead of a consumer.

so who is playing who in fact?


it would increase the cost of imports to the US, including oil.
it would also make US PRODUCTS more affordable to other countries, which would in fact create JOBS in the US. and that sounds like a crisis? [Roll Eyes]

in other words? China doesn't really want US to allow the dollar to get weaker cuz they make better profits from a strong dollar. an dthey have strict price controls on oil which they use their foregin reserves to subsidize when it gets much above the price it is RIGHT NOW!

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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
Running with the Devil eh glassy? Van Halen was awesome back then! [/QB]

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quote:
the stupid part of this scare tactic is that a weaker dollar would make it easier to become a producer (again), instead of a consumer. so who is playing who in fact?
Glass that has been the argument for ages.. and it is true.. But only to an extent. One cannot simply devalue the currency perpetually in this effort without the consequential inflation negating those "gains" in exports.
I have no numbers to back up where I believe we are in that equation... but given a guess I'd have to say... near the end.

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you have a good point.

housing and food cannot become so expensive that people can't afford them, otherwise you get war.

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Palin Believes That The Iraq War Is A Task ‘From God.’ Speaking at the Wasilla Assembly of God church in June, Palin said that “our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God.” [Huffington Post, 9/2/08]

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After First Laughing Off Recession, Gov. Perry Admits ‘This Whole Country’s In A Recession’
Just a couple days after Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) touted that his state was “recession proof” and callously suggested that Texas wasn’t even in a recession, Perry changed his tune in an interview with ThinkProgress at this weekend’s Value Voters Summit.

On Saturday, Perry acknowledged that Texas has been “absolutely” impacted by a recession that plagues the whole country and accuses Washington of pushing his state farther into it:

This whole country’s in a recession. You don’t lose the number of jobs that we’ve lost in this country — and Texas has been impacted too. But, there’s no doubt that the impact is substantially less on Texas because of the policies that we’ve put in place. You better believe it — every family, every person who’s lost a job is a reflection of some policy, generally speaking policies that have come out of Washington, DC…

But you ask any people in the country which state would you rather economically be in than any other one, they rather be in Texas. We balanced our budget, we gave 40,000 small businesses a tax cut and we’re working towards having 9 billion dollars in our rainy day fund. In anybody’s estimation, that’s good economic policy that’s been put in place. Are we worried about what Washington’s doing and the impact that it’s having on the state of Texas and the recession that it’s pushing Texas farther into? Absolutel
Perry admitted that Texas has been “shedding jobs” in the oil and gas industries and pins the blame on federal decision-makers. And while he considered rejecting “burden[some]” stimulus money and continues slamming Washington’s response to the recession, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that Texas was only able to balance its budget and pad its rainy day fund because of “an infusion of about $12.1 billion in [federal] stimulus funds” which “saved the day.”

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What Happens When The ‘Ron Paul Revolution’ Meets Michele Bachmann
Yesterday, the Young Americans for Liberty sponsored an event at the University of Minnesota that brought together the odd pairing of Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Ron Paul (R-TX). Bachmann solicited Paul for the event, hoping that his presence would help her attract support from young conservatives and libertarians.

Writing for The Daily Beast, Maureen O’Connor notes that the event melded two “wingnut worlds“: “the fanatically religious Bush-era neocon, a flag-waving patriot who likens gay sex to bestiality and fantasizes about lobbing nukes at Iran” and the libertarian “Ron Paul Revolution.” Indeed, for Bachmann, the presence of Paul created numerous awkward moments, particularly as the Texas congressman sermonized at length about his isolationist views. For example, Paul said:

– We should never go to war if they’re telling us a lie about what’s happening. … We took the position, over my strong objection, we took the position that we had to have regime change in Iraq.

– What they’re getting ready to do is put very, very strong sanctions on Iran. … But sanctions, and blockades, and prevention like this is an act of war.

– The proper foreign policy under the Constitution is non-intervention and mind our own business.

– I say bring all the troops home — Japan, Korea, and Germany.

For Bachmann — a typical neoconservative on foreign policy issues — Paul’s rhetoric stunned her into stone-cold silence. O’Connor describes the scene:

As Paul spoke passionately about ending all military operations and keeping government out of people’s “lifestyles,” a lone heckler began to shout, “Tell her!” Bachmann remained serene, hands folded in her lap, facing Paul. Bringing up Obama’s announcement that Iran had secret underground nuclear facilities, Paul announced that he had had enough of “fear-mongering” for the sake of the “military-industrial complex.” Bachmann, who once advocated nuking Iran, kept her eyes trained on Paul as her heckler repeated, “Tell her! Tell Michele! Tell her!”

Bachmann issued a very simple statement saying that she believes in “the mission of our men and women fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.” The UpTake has posted video of Ron Paul’s speech last night.

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Seems that anyone who believes the government should stop breaking the laws that were supposed to bind it.. are wing nuts..
Fun time we live in.

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well DQR, alot of the problem is interpretation of meaning and intent.


for instance? Ron Paul is not really correct in my opinion in saying the Constitution says we should be non-interventionist.

we asked France for help in the Revolution and got some, and not as much as "we" wanted i'm sure.

i posted the treaty of Tripoli? well that treay required US to pay tribute to the Pasha who was sort of the "Pirate King". all nations paid tribute or ransome.... that Treaty was an offfical ransome payment. in todays terms you could say we bargained with terrorists, (if you want to interpret it that way [Wink] ...

i like Ron Paul. if he asked for a little (ok, maybe alot) less up front, he could be taken more seriously and possibly acheive some of his worthy, IMO, goals...

on the other hand Iran has made it pretty clear that they will wipe Israel off the map first chance they get. The last thing we need on this planet is another nuclear power, it endangers every life ont he planet, and we cannot allow it.

there is no doubt in my mind after following the Iran story for decades now that they intend to build nuke warheads and put them on missiles and use them on Israel.

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Glass, come on.. The document was written in English.. not some long lost dialect of Pluto's ruling elite.


I actually do not believe Iran will use nukes on anyone... unprovoked.
Also.. In their position, I would not blame them one bit for wishing to build a deterrent.
We are the aggressors... WE ARE.
Iran has done nothing to us..
What empire is currently on the road of conquest?
What empire currently has the globe surrounded with active military bases?
And some little nation who has invaded no one is the threat?
Fun times indeed.

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i beleive you've been offered quotes.

i don't like the idea of bombing Iran. building nukes is not a deterrent to US attacking them tho, and i believe if you think that thru, you'll agree.

i dislike the neo-cons, and i dislike the Iraq invasion. however i a do know that we have offered stability to quite a few countries and when the Phillipines asked US to leave? we did...

the Iran Iraq war? that was Rumsfeld. a neo-con..

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The quotes from Israel and us are just as bad.. possibly less poetic.. sure.. but just as bad.
Especially since we are not only capable, but have shown ourselves more than willing to act.

What do we do when we bomb them to hell and we find no nuclear weapons program?

Just say oops?


On a side note:

Why are we even talking about this... Obama is president... All this stuff was supposed to be Bush's agenda.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/10/AR2009031003626. html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33065418/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/

Yeah we should just bomb them to hell to find out.. Not like there are lives at stake.

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i can assure you that they won't/wouldn't quit if we didn't make real threats tho...

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Rule by fear.. The American motto
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quote:
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Rule by fear.. The American motto

there was a time that wasn't true.

i think it was the period from 1770 to 1799 [Wink]

how does anybody ever "rule" ?

and in the absence of rulership? what happens?

i hate to get philosphical onya, but it's just human nature.... nature abhors a vacuum and we are natural facilitators (loose cannons i openly admit) no matter how much people wish to see "signs" of divine intervention.

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good column here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30friedman.html?_r=1

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Good article Tex history can be the best teacher to all of us and if we are honest to ourselves we should be able to see the bad and not repeat it

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People reluctant to book Palin for speaking engagements because ‘they think she is a blithering idiot.’

Since Sarah Palin resigned as Alaska’s governor, she has signed on with the Washington Speakers Bureau, hoping to cash in on her fame. While Palin did do one speech — to mixed reviews — in Asia recently, she is reportedly having trouble getting booked for more:

Palin’s bookers are said to be asking for $100,000 per speech, but an industry expert tells Page Six: “The big lecture buyers in the US are paralyzed with fear about booking her, basically because they think she is a blithering idiot.”

Many big lecture venues are subscription series, “and they don’t want to tick people off,” said our source. “Palin is polarizing, and some subscribers might cancel if she’s on the lineup.” Other lecture buyers are universities, which have a leftist slant, and corporations, which dislike controversy.

“Palin is so uninteresting to so many groups — unless they are interested in moose hunting,” said our insider. “What does she have to say? She can’t even describe what she reads.“

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glassman
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that's funny. she had a decent paying job, and quit....

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
that's funny. she had a decent paying job, and quit....

Whats even funnier is, she has written her memoirs. The book comes out in November. It's called "Going Rogue". Who would buy that book?? Now maybe if it were titled "Going Commando" she might sell more books [Big Grin]

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well, i guess she'll have to get a "job" on Fox Friends to pay the bills... prolly the only place that'll have 'er....

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
good column here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30friedman.html?_r=1

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What kind of madness is it that someone would create a poll on Facebook asking respondents, “Should Obama be killed?” The choices were: “No, Maybe, Yes, and Yes if he cuts my health care.” The Secret Service is now investigating. I hope they put the jerk in jail and throw away the key because this is exactly what was being done to Rabin.
Good article indeed.. so very hard to find a journalist who doesn't understand the First amendment...
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lol, I don't think First Amendment applies to threatening the Prez... or encouraging others to do so.

In fact, I'd be pretty damn upset if the poll substituted Tex for Obama.

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not only is it illegal to threaten the president, but one might be able to make the case that this guy was looking for co-conspirators...

when Clinton was president? i heard many people where i worked and lived make comments about killing him... most of them were limbugger followers....

obviously the guy shouldn't go to jail if he didn't break the law, but it should be illegal to yell fire in a crowded theatre if there's no fire... first ammendment or not

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Did the lad insinuate or directly threaten the President?
Asking if the president should be killed is not a direct threat.. Therefore both of your arguments are lacking validity... entirely.

How quick we are to throw away everything we have because the thief tells us we'll be happier...

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