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MSNBC.com


Hawking: Aliens may pose risks to Earth
Astrophysicist says extraterrestrials likely exist, but could be dangerous
msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 8:09 p.m. PT, Sun., April 25, 2010
LONDON - British physicist Stephen Hawking says aliens are out there, but it could be too dangerous for humans to interact with extraterrestrial life.

Hawking claims in a new documentary titled "Into the Universe With Stephen Hawking" that intelligent alien life forms almost certainly exist — but warns that communicating with them could be "too risky."

"We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet," Hawking said. "I imagine they might exist in massive ships ... having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach.”

The 68-year-old scientist said a visit by extraterrestrials to Earth might well be like Christopher Columbus arriving in the Americas, "which didn't turn out very well for the Native Americans."

He speculated that most extraterrestrial life would be similar to microbes, or small animals. Microbial life might exist far beneath the Martian surface, where liquid water is thought to trickle through the rock. Marine creatures might also conceivably live in huge oceans of water beneath a miles-thick layer of ice on Europa, a moon of Jupiter.

But if a scientific census could be extended beyond our solar system to the rest of the Milky Way and beyond, the odds in favor of life's existence rise dramatically, Hawking said.

"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational," he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like."

Hawking said an attack by interstellar predators is just one of the dismaying possibilities in the search for intelligent life beyond Earth. Another possibility is that intelligence itself might be inimical to life. Hawking pointed out that humanity has put itself on the edge of its own destruction by creating nuclear bombs and other weapons of mass destruction.

"If the same holds for intelligent aliens, then they might not last long," he said. "Perhaps they all blow themselves up soon after they discover that E=mc2. If civilizations take billions of years to evolve, only to vanish virtually overnight, then sadly we've next to no chance of hearing from them."

Hawking has become one of the world's best-known scientists — not just because of his theoretical work on cosmology and black holes, but also because he has achieved so much while coping with a paralyzing neural disease for most of his life. In recent years he has become a prominent advocate for space travel, contending that humans must journey into the heavens and going through zero-gravity training himself.

"Into the Universe With Stephen Hawking" had its television premiere in the United States on the Discovery Channel on Sunday, and is due for broadcast in Britain next month.

This report includes information from The Associated Press and msnbc.com

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Did you watch the Hawkings Special on Discovery last night Raybond?

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heehhheee- he saw Star Trek tooo...

those Klingons are pretty tough..

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Did you watch the Hawkings Special on Discovery last night Raybond?
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No natural I wanted to but work got in the way . Can't wait till I retire so I can do some of the things I want to.

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isnt retirement soon?

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Did you watch the Hawkings Special on Discovery last night Raybond?
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No natural I wanted to but work got in the way . Can't wait till I retire so I can do some of the things I want to.

It was part one and two in a four part miniseries, and the next two are on this Sunday at 9PM ET/PT. I plan on catching the last two, but I'm fortunate and don't have to work on Sundays. I'm sure with the headlines Hawking has made with his ideas on "space invaders", they will replay the series at some point, you can always watch it then.

I enjoyed hearing Hawking's ideas on subjects he doesn't normaly discuss, because it seems like a man as brilliant as him should have some great ideas about all sorts of things. ("Phenomenon" with John Travolta anyone?) It was also nice that they used a "voice over" for most of the narration, (no offense Steven Hawking).

Anyhow, that's my 2c
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Well if there is anything out there that powerful who knows......

IF there were such aliens all it would take is one virus to spread and wipe everyone out on earth. Some sort of alien bacteria.

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Perhaps CCM, assuming the alien race and humans were similar enough biologically to transmit diseases across species. (For example, intelligent life out there could be Nitrogen based instead of Carbon based.)

If they are similar to us, then maybe that would be evidence that aliens have not made it to Earth yet, otherwise we might likely all be dead already.

I watched a good special on the History Channel a few nights back on the influence of European immigration to the "New World" and how the spread of European diseases decimated huge portions of the Native Americans. Often times, large native populations suffered from the diseases long before they had ever seen, or even heard of the early Europeans who brought the diseases with them.

Honestly though, it's all just speculation until there is some kind of concrete evidence that aliens do exist. Sure, as Hawking said in his special, "mathmatically, aliens likely exist", but a lot of things can be proven "in theory".

Personally? I agree with Hawkings. Mathmatically they exist, but I'm a hold out on saying they exist for sure until I see the ship land and some aliens come walking out with my own two eyes. Call me a skeptic.

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6000 BC cave painting/drawing

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here's another from later in Italy:

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they are all over the world, all you have to do is look...

if they were out to get us? we'd be got..


i think they are waiting for us to behave with some real discipline...

that ain't gonna be me [Big Grin]

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look carefully at the Hopi Kachinas.... they look like they are in suits too...


then there's the Dogon tribe in Africa who knew about astronomical facts they "should not" know....

Certain researchers investigating the Dogon have reported that they seem to possess advanced astronomical knowledge, the nature and source of which has subsequently become embroiled in controversy. From 1931 to 1956 the French anthropologist Marcel Griaule studied the Dogon. This included field missions ranging from several days to two months in 1931, 1935, 1937 and 1938[16] and then annually from 1946 until 1956.[17] In late 1946 Griaule spent a consecutive thirty-three days in conversations with the Dogon wiseman Ogotemmêli, the source of much of Griaule and Dieterlen's future publications.[18] They reported that the Dogon believe that the brightest star in the sky, Sirius (sigi tolo or 'star of the Sigui'[19]), has two companion stars, pō tolo (the Digitaria star), and ęmmę ya tolo, (the female Sorghum star), respectively the first and second companions of Sirius A.[20] Sirius, in the Dogon system, formed one of the foci for the orbit of a tiny star, the companionate Digitaria star. When Digitaria is closest to Sirius, that star brightens: when it is farthest from Sirius, it gives off a twinkling effect that suggests to the observer several stars. The orbit cycle takes 60 years. [21]They also claimed that the Dogon appeared to know of the rings of Saturn, and the moons of Jupiter.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

there's a lot more to study about them if if you are interested start a teh wiki site


to me? it's no big deal, they'll deal with us when they and we are ready and they could have taken us any time and didn't...

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this is a preColumbian artifact was found in central america and is dated 500-800 BC

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this was found in an egyptian tomb in 1898 befoer we invented flight

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the one hting that drives anybody interested in htis absolutley nuts is the maps by Piri Reis who drew maps of Antarctica withno ice... we couldn't do that until 30 years after the maps were rediscovered, and they were drawn in the 1400's...

the Navy was finally able to use "ground penetrating radar" to map the land under the ice of Antarctica in the late 50's

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I've seen similar pictographs before and read a bit about the Dogon tribe and I'm not convinced there is anything there that really proves space aliens are among us. Stars can vary in brightness and the rings of Saturn can occult stars, revealing it's existance to someone viewing it with the naked eye.

The Piri Reis map drive me nuts, (you should know I'm a historic map fanatic), I have no idea how the land under Antarctica could have been mapped in the 16th century, but as I said, I'm a skeptic so I still think both it and the egyptian airplane could probably be explained without involving aliens.

That said, I don't dismiss the idea that there are aliens among us Glass, I just haven't seen anything that seriously convinces me they are, although I have met a few people I thought would make good canidates. Also, I agree that if they were here, they wouldn't be so quick to say hello. After all, we can't even get over the fact that some humans have a different skin color than others.

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well NR, being skeptical is healthy IMO, we can't overlook how imaginative people are, and we didn't suddenly acquire an imagination when we began farming.

replace alien with god or a god's name as you read greek mythology- Hercules was was half and half...

the most interesting thing about the greek gods who actually lived on a mountaintop, instead of in the sky, was their lack of real wisdom, they played games and acted like brats.

i suppose maybe it's the one god theme that brings Wisdom into focus since He has no competition?

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we didn't suddenly acquire an imagination when we began farming

True, but the change from hunting and gathering to farming and organized society would most certianly led to more free time to think about things you wouldn't have had time to think about before.

replace alien with god or a god's name as you read greek mythology- Hercules was was half and half...

the most interesting thing about the greek gods who actually lived on a mountaintop, instead of in the sky, was their lack of real wisdom, they played games and acted like brats.


Yeah, I see what you mean. Even the Bible can be read in that context and seems to make sense. IMO, anyone who saw an alien before flight or space travel was invented might consider them a "God". Have you ever read the book of Ezekiel? The description of the Cherubim he witnesses is very similar to a UFO or airplane.

i suppose maybe it's the one god theme that brings Wisdom into focus since He has no competition?

I dunno if I agree with that. Personally, I always considered "free will" competition to God.

BTW, I ran across this last night, and wanted to post it today. I don't know how legitimate the "American Chronicle" is as far as a news source but here is something to chew on.

Human-looking ETs secretly in U.S.?
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/153063

Jeff Bridges in "Starman" anyone?

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from your article? they mention Eridanus (constellation)

Mythology

It is connected to the myth of Phaëton, who took over the reins of his father Helios' sky chariot (i.e., the Sun), but didn't have the strength to control it and so veered wildly in different directions, scorching both earth and heaven. Zeus intervened by striking Phaëton dead with a thunderbolt and casting him to earth. The constellation was supposed to be the path Phaëton drove along; in later times, it was considered a path of souls. Since Eridanos was also a Greek name for the Po (Latin Padus), in which the burning body of Phaëton is said by Ovid to have extinguished, the mythic geography of the celestial and earthly Eridanus is complex.[5]


Supervoid

The Eridanus Supervoid is the largest supervoid (an area of the universe devoid of galaxies) discovered as of 2007[update]. At a diameter of about one billion light years it is much larger than any other known void and represents a challenge for current theories of the origins of the universe to explain. It was discovered by linking a "cold spot" in the cosmic microwave background to an absence of radio galaxies in data of the US National Radio Astronomy Observatory's Very Large Array Sky Survey.[1] There are also suggestions that the void may be due to quantum entanglement between our universe and a parallel universe.[2] [3] [4]


from wiki--Eridanus-- the link is blocked to parentheses

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i have had people swear to me that they have seen UFO's the caouldn't be anythng we made, one person became very angry when i "tested" him with humour accusing him of messing with me...

the only time i ever saw anything odd? i had just driven 16 hrs, and it was 4am and i was trying to go to sleep at 12,000 feet or so.. whatever the heights are Telluride, they are way up there and the air is thinner than normal, so i just can't say i was really seeing anything for sure... lights where they should not be and not moving, then just disappearing.

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Then it must have been abduction that got jimmy hoffa

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I saw a UFO.

Another journalist was with me, and she saw it, too.

She was the "slot" editor at The Dallas Morning News. Look that up, "slot".

At any rate, we saw what we saw: too fast, too quick to change direction, to be explained by then-current "rules".

But, we were right near a naval air station...

Have no doubt it was an aircraft

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Brother and I saw one walking home from the movies in Niagara Falls one night.
Went from horizon to horizon in ten seconds with a few right angle non-velocity reducing turns... Wasn't made by us...

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I would love to see a ufo never have seen one. Maybe some day.

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quote:
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Then it must have been abduction that got jimmy hoffa

No...Hoffa is more than likely, part of the foundation of the Silverdome...

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quote:
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Brother and I saw one walking home from the movies in Niagara Falls one night.
Went from horizon to horizon in ten seconds with a few right angle non-velocity reducing turns... Wasn't made by us...

few right angle non-velocity reducing turns.

yup, that's what really got me/us.

The thing that attracted our attention was simple velocity. It *did* have flashing lights (which suggests Earth technology, lol), and that's how we reacted: the time between the flashes, going across the windshield. MUCH much quicker/faster than any conventional aircraft.

Then--pow/zoom--the lights were going 90 degrees away, toward the western night horizon, and quickly disappeared.

Do I think it was "alien spaceships"? No.

But it was definitely no aircraft that's known to this day.

lol, c'mon...we're in Ft. Worth. Google FW and aviation history. We're used to weird chit...

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So some of you are sure you have seen a UFO? John McCain says he has seen one too!

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We've sunrises and sunsets, too.

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Has anyone seen a sasquatch?

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I think the aliens live under water. Think about it. 2/3rds of the world covered in water. And people think they know whats under there??? we dont know CHIZ! Its the truth. We act like we know.
But a 20 year navy vet. Deep sea diver specialist. Worked on oil rigs fixing and repairing after he retired fromnavy. He said at 500 feet down. Its a whole new world. They would live in a pod,he said. And they brought twice as many eople asthey needed... Why? He said every once in a while, there would be a tug on the cable. And pull back a frayed end,where adiverused to be... He said they would lose a guy to that every once in a while. But they would lose alot moe guys to FREAKING OUT! He said they would strap them down til they got to the surface... 1 month trip... He said they breathed mixed gas. fixed as they went down. Checked as they came back up.
One day he was working. All you can see is what your head lamp shines on. He looked accross at his partner. and his eyes were as big as silver dollars. He said he turned around to see what was going to eat him.VERY SLOWLY LOL And all he seen was lips and teeth. No whale,or shark. FISH. So big. All it would have to do is open its mouth,and inhale him. HUGE!...
He said thats 500 feet. The surface... The ocean is 25,000+ feet in places. THAT WE KNOW!

All the alien sightings. They are here and around us. And they use large bodies of water. Lake Superior... Bayfield wisconsin has applefest. like 200,000 people gather to a town of under 1000 population. Which is weird.
My friend videotaped "glowing orbs" A big one.And later little ones,that seem to be reporting back to the big one. I seen the video. With my buddy in the back ground. WOW< THATS AMAZING< LOOK < ITS MOVING< WOW> THERES ANOTHER ONE!!! was real time. a person I know personally... Oh,and you couldnt see themwith the naked eye. Only through a lense. Its called pure light. Rainbows are pure light. And you can see a spectrum of pure color when rain (lenses) passes through it the right way...
Same glowing orbs that were video taped by sandiego. The border patrol's night vision video. On Dan Akroids video about UFO's.
If I was an alien.I would be scoping out the human gathering too......

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aliens in the deep? reasonable.

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i dont think they are dangerous. the universe is ruled by truth. And if they wanted us dead, we'd already be dead. IMHO.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Has anyone seen a sasquatch?

Heh. You askin me?? [Smile]

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I find it hilarious that religious folk and the ufo believers are always at each others throats...both calling the other deluded.

They have so much in common in so many ways.

(shrug)

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quote:
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I find it hilarious that religious folk and the ufo believers are always at each others throats...both calling the other deluded.

They have so much in common in so many ways.

(shrug)

lol, I know peeps who are both!

figger that chit

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Nanu...NANU! Mork from Ork!

Not long after Mork we were visited by ALF!

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Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
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