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The Arctic is melting... This must be the first time it has ever happened. Quickly everyone.. ABANDON SHIP. The planet is DOOOOOMMMMEEEDDD!!!
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Tropical Storm Olga forces evacuations in Dominican Republic The Associated Press Published: December 12, 2007
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic: Olga strengthened and became a tropical storm Tuesday as it drenched the Dominican Republic, forcing the evacuation of low-lying communities ahead of the rare December cyclone.
The storm had maximum sustained winds of 60 mph Tuesday evening, and forecasters warned it could trigger dangerous floods by dumping as much as 10 inches of rain in some parts of the Dominican Republic and neighboring Haiti.
Olga struck nearly two weeks after the official end of the Atlantic hurricane season. It is only the 10th named storm to develop in the month of December since record keeping began in 1851, according to the U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami.
"It's not completely unusual to have a storm form in December," said Daniel Brown, a hurricane specialist at the center, who noted that three named storms have formed after Nov. 30 since 2003.
Interesting ...read the last paragraph. Who the hell really knows whats going on. For every argument about global warming, there is one against global warming. Possible expansion of the ice in the future? Who knows?
I for one am convinced that something is definitely happening.
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none of the scientists question that the the system is always changing or oscilating, the problem is that we are already in a warm phase and we may be be adding just enough to the sytem so that it cannot rebound, and we know that there are several problems that could cause it to "runaway" faster if it does not begin a "downward oscillation" when it is supposed to....
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: there are several problems that could cause it to "runaway" faster if it does not begin a "downward oscillation" when it is supposed to....
When is that downward oscillation scheduled to happen? I'd like to mark it on my calendar.
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So, you are insisting you are qualified to debate the situation and ignoring the weight of scientific evidence that you have conclusively proved in your post to be incapable of understanding?
There is an explanation, perhaps:
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: there are several problems that could cause it to "runaway" faster if it does not begin a "downward oscillation" when it is supposed to....
When is that downward oscillation scheduled to happen? I'd like to mark it on my calendar.
Mike
it's a couple hundred years overdue:
we should be in it by now, but.....
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Somehow I get the idea from reading his post that he isn't really adept at things like interpreting graphs and isn't able even to recognize the lack.
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this is one of those wacko left wing trick graphs, as opposed to those right wing conservative trick stock graphs that've been painted by the MM's.
you have to read it from right to left instead of left to right....
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Based on those charts, it doesn't look like either the temperature or the CO2 is quite up to the peak yet. Are you saying that you can read 200 years on a chart that is scaled in 100,000 year increments?
C'mon, you'll have to do better than that!
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Not exactly what you two are on about with that chart. It's a decent correlation between the two but surely not spot on. Also neither CO2 nor temp are at all time highs. Temp is actually drooping...
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DQR, it's not the all time high that is a concern right now, it's the sustained plateau. Yes, we spiked heavy and dropped off a high but look and see where we didn't plunge back down again.... there's real problems if thats a NEW LOW.. real problems indeed
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MCCAIN: I've been involved in this issue since the year 2000. I have had hearings. I've traveled the world. I know that climate change is real.
But let me put it to you this way: Suppose that climate change is not real and all we do is adopt green technologies, which our economy and our technology is perfectly capable of. Then all we've done is given our kids a cleaner world.
But suppose they are wrong. Suppose they are wrong and climate change is real and we've done nothing. What kind of a planet are we going to pass on to the next generation of Americans?
It's real, we've got to address it, we can do it with technology, with cap and trade, with capitalist and free enterprise motivation. And I'm confident that we can pass on to our children and grandchildren a cleaner, better world.
GIULIANI: I agree with John. Climate change is real. It's happening. I believe human beings are contributing to it.
I think the best way to deal with it is through energy independence. And I...
WASHBURN: Who doesn't...
GIULIANI: And I think energy independence is...
WASHBURN: Who doesn't agree?
HUNTER: He said contributing, but not totally.
GIULIANI: Yes. Yes.
HUNTER: OK.
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
GIULIANI: And I think that all parties should embrace this as an issue for us and our...
WASHBURN: Let me come at it this way. Let me come at it this way.
What impact on the economy would be acceptable in order to reverse global warming and greenhouse gas emissions?
Governor Romney?
ROMNEY: Well, it's going to help our economy because we're going to invest in new technologies to get ourselves off of foreign oil. And as we get ourselves off of foreign oil, we also dramatically reduce our CO2 emissions.
That's good for the environment. It's also good for our economy. Because buying $300 billion or $400 billion worth of oil a year from other people who use it against us, that's bad for our economy. It's also bad for the environment.
We can do these things in a way that help both the environment and the economy and national security. That's the beauty of what we're talking about here.
Is global warming an issue for the world? Absolutely.
Is it something we can deal with by becoming energy independent and energy secure? We sure can.
But at the same time, we call it global warming, not America warming. So let's not put a burden on us alone and have the rest of the world skate by without having to participate in this effort. It's a global effort.
But our independence is something we can do unilaterally.
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"But at the same time, we call it global warming, not America warming. So let's not put a burden on us alone and have the rest of the world skate by without having to participate in this effort. It's a global effort."
What an arrogant lying jerk, he is!
The rest of the world has been begging the U. S. to get on board since shortly after dubya announced that he had "decided", since God had told him in a private conversation in the wee hours of the night that global warming was fuzzy science and to ignore the Kyoto Protocol, that the U.S. will take its ball and go home and would not play.
The rest of the world has been skating hard. We have been trying to pretend they are the other team in a roller derby game and we keept knocking them off the boards.
It's been us being the big chain preventing the dog of "global warming prevention" from getting loose to chase off the intrusion!
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Giuliani isn't a threat to Hillary... Why get mad at him, Bdgee?
Glass, that chart doesn't allow us to presume that the current trend continues. Just as in the past it happens suddenly. That chart also uses a timescale that prohibits us from saying any predicted reversal is late or early. The poles will reverse when they are good and ready and not even the biggest SUV can make them hasten their pace.
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Just because you Party liners get mad at people you don't have any relation with and decide to hate them doesn't make that what others do. I am jealous with my dislikes and with my likes....I won't put the energy into considering Guliani and his efforts, antics, or responsibilities, that is required for either.
But I must point out that he is intentionally misrepresenting the situation. It isn't the rest of the world that has been dragging their feet on global warming. "We have seen the enemy and he is us.", as Pogo said.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Giuliani isn't a threat to Hillary... Why get mad at him, Bdgee?
Glass, that chart doesn't allow us to presume that the current trend continues. Just as in the past it happens suddenly. That chart also uses a timescale that prohibits us from saying any predicted reversal is late or early. The poles will reverse when they are good and ready and not even the biggest SUV can make them hasten their pace.
polar reversal not driven by "external" forces...(ie, atmospheric) but internal...the "big magnet" in da middle... whee...talk about global warming. Lottsa chit gets "hot" when that happens...
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]b]Glass, that chart doesn't allow us to presume that the current trend continues. Just as in the past it happens suddenly. That chart also uses a timescale that prohibits us from saying any predicted reversal is late or early.[/b]
EXACTLY! It's totally ridiculous that you can tell anything about a 200 year period from that chart! The left is seeing things again.
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I bet you knew that author of that thing, Gainor, was taking money from a radical rightwing naysayer of anything not in pure agreement with the RNC position.
Note: Dan Gainor The Boone Pickens Free Market Fellow
In other words, it is absolute propaganda, not science. Indeed, it is intended and constructed with quasi-truths in order to argue toward discounting and defying science.
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Its totally ridick to say that man isnt affecting the planet in an adverse way...but,,, we arent destroying the planet,just changing it. we are destroying life,as we know it. besides..this human species isnt in tune with mama nature. it needs to wise up.
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