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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "if anybody doesn't want to beleive it then don't, but stop arguing against facts cuz you don't like the messengers..."
Or because don't like the message and have no other reason for arguing.
isnt this exactly what you did when you said, and i quote "Gainor, was taking money from a radical rightwing naysayer of anything not in pure agreement with the RNC position. "
also i wasnt arguing anything, i was simply saying of your going to apply your reasoning to articles containing opinions, then you should do so broadly not just with the certain articles that further your already deep rooted beliefs
quote:"what are you guys reading into that graph that im missing?"
We have tried to explain and only get insulted for trying. It really isn't our fault you aren't prepared to understand and that the fact angers you.
the only thing that angers me is when you take what somebody else did and apply it to me, nobody made it clear to me what you were trying to point out in those graphs. so i asked. but i guess thats not ok? You were acting like you know it all and im to stupid to get it, but now i do understand what you were talking about from osobucks. We have taken a natural cycle and accelerated it. i've been saying that for over a year now.
"also, something i've noticed, when people have their belief about global warming, they will post NEWS ARTICLES showing how the "arctic is screaming" but dismiss any NEWS ARTICLES showing the other point of view, saying journalists are in no position to write about what scientists say. shouldnt you apply that rational to both articles..???"
quote:Shouldn't you?
i do. i, and others here have posted articles from both sides, and in fact i posted tons of info related to this topic in other threads, what exactly have you contributed except your opinion? most of my posts have links to read, yours contain bickering and a,"im smart so i get it attitude"
Read carefully this time, im not saying global warming isnt happening, the whole point of my original post was to show how we as citizens have been through this before. first it was cooling, then warming, then cooling, then warming again, sombody is making bucks by distributing the fear of destruction and starvation, if you cant understand the point i was trying to put across i dont know what else to say. [/QB]
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: now, here's where the troubles really lie...
at the floor of the ocean, literally lying right on and in the mud? there are 80 times as much methane ( CH4 )deposits as there are known oil deposits worldwide.. they are in the form of methane hydrate... basically methane ice crystals... they form there because of the temp and pressure of the water at eh ocean floor.. it traps them.
if we increase the temp of the water traveling at a snails pace across the oceans floors by as little 1/2 C or 1 F? we are dead.
look up Storegga Slide... it's very real, not speckelashun
about 8100 yrs ago this happened...
guess what? that's when the last "ice age" ended...
use search words like methane and Storegga... to find the real story...
i checked that out, pretty interesting.. it reminded me of this..
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: now, here's where the troubles really lie...
at the floor of the ocean, literally lying right on and in the mud? there are 80 times as much methane ( CH4 )deposits as there are known oil deposits worldwide.. they are in the form of methane hydrate... basically methane ice crystals... they form there because of the temp and pressure of the water at eh ocean floor.. it traps them.
if we increase the temp of the water traveling at a snails pace across the oceans floors by as little 1/2 C or 1 F? we are dead.
look up Storegga Slide... it's very real, not speckelashun
about 8100 yrs ago this happened...
guess what? that's when the last "ice age" ended...
use search words like methane and Storegga... to find the real story...
i checked that out, pretty interesting.. it reminded me of this..
alot of the raw data on the Storregga slide was acquired by oil/gas engineers because they wanted to make sure they didn't cause another one, or get caught in the next one....
when i lived in the SoCali desert area i used to go exploring for gold.. never found any but i had a blast looking... it was amazing how the desert would change from just a rainstorm...
one of the things i came across in my reading about gold and how it's deposited/formed etc. was that a geo thermal energy co in Aus. had sunk a well and set up a heat exchanger deep in the crust, but it clogged up and no matter what they did? they couldn't unclog it...
they finally had to pull it and found it was being "clogged up" with gold, being deposited by the hot "salts" that they were tapping into.....
i'm somewhat skeptical of the story cuz you would think that would have been exploited...
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dont know if you saw this.. im sure you guys will like it.
This report presents the findings of the Committee’s investigation. The evidence before the Committee leads to one inescapable conclusion: the Bush Administration has engaged in a systematic effort to manipulate climate change science and mislead policymakers and the public about the dangers of global warming.
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nice interview with Amory Lovins here; some excerpts:
So a good dose of conservative economic principles would get us even further than trying to give technologies we like subsidies as big as the ones we don't like are already getting. Of course, desubsidizing the whole energy sector would be a wonderful advance.
The barriers that renewables and efficiency face come less from our living in a capitalist market economy and more from not taking market economics seriously, not following our own principles.
For electricity, we decouple utilities' profits from sales so they will no longer be rewarded for selling more energy or penalized for selling less, and if they do something smart to cut our bill, we let them keep a small part, maybe a 10th of the savings, as extra profit—so we, and they, are both incentivized.
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In the city where my daughter lives they have now banned those blowers the gardeners use for environmental reasons.
I would have banned them a long time ago in our complex. All the guys do in our area is blow the stuff into the ivy then charge us later to rake the stuff out of the ivy.
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Now the wacko environmentalists are saying that global warming will pause for 10 years. Isn't that convenient? So, now these nutjobs have covered every contingency. If the temperature warms, it's global warming. If it cools, it's climate change. If the temperature stays the same, it's the 10 year pause. WHAT A JOKE!
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Now the wacko environmentalists are saying that global warming will pause for 10 years. Isn't that convenient? So, now these nutjobs have covered every contingency. If the temperature warms, it's global warming. If it cools, it's climate change. If the temperature stays the same, it's the 10 year pause. WHAT A JOKE!
got a link? i missed that peer reviewed journal article
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Advancing decadal-scale climate prediction in the North Atlantic sector Thus these results point towards the possibility of routine decadal climate predictions. Using this method, and by considering both internal natural climate variations and projected future anthropogenic forcing, we make the following forecast: over the next decade, the current Atlantic meridional overturning circulation will weaken to its long-term mean; moreover, North Atlantic SST and European and North American surface temperatures will cool slightly, whereas tropical Pacific SST will remain almost unchanged. Our results suggest that global surface temperature may not increase over the next decade, as natural climate variations in the North Atlantic and tropical Pacific temporarily offset the projected anthropogenic warming.
basically they are saying the increase won't be observed because we should be dropping, but we won't be dropping, we'll just level off... hmmm.. that's still warming IMO...
i wonder if you like to call these doctors whackos because you have intellect envy
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quote:i wonder if you like to call these doctors whackos because you have intellect envy
Doctors of decption! That's all they are. These "doctors" can't even predict with any accuracy how many hurricanes we'll have this year or how the weather will be next week, let alone the global temperature. It's all just B.S. meant to advance a socialist agenda.
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quote:i wonder if you like to call these doctors whackos because you have intellect envy
Doctors of decption! That's all they are. These "doctors" can't even predict with any accuracy how many hurricanes we'll have this year or how the weather will be next week, let alone the global temperature. It's all just B.S. meant to advance a socialist agenda.
interesting. socialist agenda, yet i have shown you plenty of evidence that your suposed "free market conservative" policy makers participate heavily in subsidization of their own "prefered corporations"?
haven't you figured out yet that "free market" forces have been subverted to the point that it's not about the "most efficient" at all anymore, that it's become about figuring out how to make somebody else (maybe not even born yet) pay?
i don't like the situation we find ourselves in , but calling a group that you don't agree with socialist (which they aren't) just because you don't agree with them makes sense only to rush and his sheople... it's kinda funny actually, he makes his living (a rather large one) offa making people mad at phantoms, thereby stifling any meaningful progress because the real problems cannot be addressed...
in case you haven't noticed? hezbolah has inititiated another firefight in Lebanon, Iran has been training them in small groups for this. Iran does not want a real war, they want samll steady skirmishes so that oil will steadily rise. if they can fan the flames on this firefight that's going on right now? oil will be 150 in three weeks. not Sept. or Dec...
if it takes a dozen reasons to get alternative energy policies to become reality? it doesn't matter if the scientists are right or wrong. (they are still more able than you are) the point is that our way of life is evaporating in the middle east dessert right now and you don't even see it.
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At least you can count on the Republicans to push tax cuts for the wealthy.
It's an oddity though. If republicans are no longer the fiscally responsible party, and they aren't the conservative party, I guess that just leaves...what...wealth and religion? And religion may be abandoning the party as well!
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Time for all of you republicans to do the finger switch. And try a new one.
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quote:if it takes a dozen reasons to get alternative energy policies to become reality? it doesn't matter if the scientists are right or wrong. (they are still more able than you are) the point is that our way of life is evaporating in the middle east dessert right now and you don't even see it.
Quite the contrary, I certainly do see that this country is in a BIG mess. I am 100% behind the United States becoming energy independent provided it is affordable. That new company with the highly efficient solar panels sound promising. I would switch all my buildings over to solar power if it were practical.
However, none of that has anything to do with the global warming/climate change/global cooling with a pause scam that is currently being perpetrated.
quote:they are still more able than you are
I wish that were true. Unfortunately, these idiots can't even get their story straight. They've now covered every base with global warming, climate change, and a pause. DUH! I could predict that the temperature will either go up, down, or stay the same, and I'm not even a PhD. These wacko environmental socialists are really looking like a bunch of morons!
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I would switch all my buildings over to solar power if it were practical.
but it is IF you get the government to simply SWITCH subsdization prioriites. they are already subsidizing coal and even nukular right now...
remember i posted before that i had developed a state sponsored financing plan that would make it feasible?
i just found out yesterdaythat somebody else thunk it up and implemented before me (that usually happens ) it's not exaclty th e same, but it's very similar:
The Roof Is On Fire
NEWS: Why home solar may soon get a lot more affordable
By Joyce Tang
May/June 2008 Issue
Installing solar panels on your roof is like paying for 20 years of juice up front. There's no guarantee you'll recoup that money when you sell, and American families move every seven years on average. While it may be exhilarating to watch the utility meter spin backward, these basic facts make solar impractical for the masses. "People are willing to pay a premium to not be tied down," notes Cisco DeVries of Berkeley, California, who until recently served as the mayor's chief of staff.
But last year, DeVries hit upon a brilliantly simple idea. What if, he asked, the city financed residents' solar rooftops, then levied a 20-year tax assessment on their properties to pay for it? The debt would follow the home, not the owner, and in one fell swoop, the two greatest impediments to home solar would be history.
DeVries' phone has lately been ringing off the hook as dozens of municipalities look to follow Berkeley's lead. In Santa Fe, installation costs would show up on monthly utility bills, and Milwaukee, whose private utility already buys customers' excess solar electricity at above-market rates, is mulling over its own financing program. Ditto San Francisco, which is aiming for 10,000 new solar roofs by 2012.
the reason it's not economically feasible right now EVERYWHERE is because so many people (like Rush) spend so much time making fun of people that are working at getting our system moving in a new direction.
so you have to have many different advertising campaigns working to move the masses...
Madison Avenue has been deciding which cars/clothes/jewlery etc we'll buy (or not) for years.
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I listen to Rush almost every day as I'm working and I don't recall him making fun of solar power or any other technology that will make us independent of foreign oil. I have heard him criticize Bill Clinton for his veto of drilling in ANWR (which was a major blunder).
I don't think the new solar systems will have to be subsidized to make them affordable. If the article I read was right, the new solar panels will generate electricity for about the same price as cheap coal including installation of the solar system. This is the kind of technological breakthrough that could change the world. If this company's claims appear to be right, then I think the government should GIVE them whatever money they need to rush this into production - no strings attached.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Glass,
I listen to Rush almost every day as I'm working and I don't recall him making fun of solar power or any other technology that will make us independent of foreign oil. I have heard him criticize Bill Clinton for his veto of drilling in ANWR (which was a major blunder).
I don't think the new solar systems will have to be subsidized to make them affordable. If the article I read was right, the new solar panels will generate electricity for about the same price as cheap coal including installation of the solar system. This is the kind of technological breakthrough that could change the world. If this company's claims appear to be right, then I think the government should GIVE them whatever money they need to rush this into production - no strings attached.
You and Glassy-eyed are both singing the chorus to the "Set the Market Free" song from the Amory Lovins' hymnal...
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Glass,
I listen to Rush almost every day as I'm working and I don't recall him making fun of solar power or any other technology that will make us independent of foreign oil. I have heard him criticize Bill Clinton for his veto of drilling in ANWR (which was a major blunder).
I don't think the new solar systems will have to be subsidized to make them affordable. If the article I read was right, the new solar panels will generate electricity for about the same price as cheap coal including installation of the solar system. This is the kind of technological breakthrough that could change the world. If this company's claims appear to be right, then I think the government should GIVE them whatever money they need to rush this into production - no strings attached.
ah, i knew you were a rush fan long before you admitted it, you faithfully reproduce his rhetoric daily even if you don't realise it. it's the delivery
i've been trying to de-program you for months now
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