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Jo4321
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http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2007/02/01/stop-in-the-name-of-loss.aspx

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Stop! In the Name of Loss
By Jim Mueller
February 1, 2007

"Don't invest more than you can lose. The market is a risky place."

Sound familiar? When I became interested in investing, my grandmother, who had done fairly well with her investments, gave me that very advice. Of course I didn't want to lose money (who does?), so I did some reading and quickly came across the idea of a "stop-loss" order. This type of order automatically sells the stock if the price drops to a certain level or by a certain percentage.

"What a great idea!" I thought to myself. "Something that limits my downside!"

For many investors, the proxy for "risk" is "volatility." The thinking goes that if you don't want to lose money (and not losing money is Warren Buffett's first rule of investing), you should try to minimize volatility. And since a stop-loss order gets you out when the price goes down, many investors employ stop-losses to avoid losing money.

The dangers of stop-loss
But let's see how that idea works in practice. Here's a table showing the returns you would have if you'd bought the following companies on Jan. 2, 2003, and then sold after the first 15% decline (we've also included how long that took). Compare that with the returns if you had just held on through the "bad" times.

(Click the link to see the table)http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2007/02/01/stop-in-the-name-of-loss. aspx


Doesn't compare too favorably, does it? Rather than limiting downside, the stop-loss seems to be limiting upside.

Wait a second ...
I can hear some people saying that it's possible to get back in when the stock begins to go back up. But how would you know when to get back in? And even if you did, no stock climbs steadily upward. Goodyear, for example, would have triggered sales eight separate times in 2003 alone using a 15% stop-loss strategy.

Furthermore, trades cost money. You've paid commissions to repurchase the shares, as well as the commissions for every stop-loss sale. Both eat into your overall returns. And note that every single one of those sales came within a year of buying, potentially triggering short-term capital gain taxes on each. That hurts.

The only real winners in this scenario are your broker and the IRS.

Try this instead
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This article was originally published Sept. 9, 2006. It has been updated.




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I posted the previous post to get a discussion going about stop-losses either mental or automatic. I can see that I have had similar experiences as the table in the article above. Sometimes, I set a stop-loss to limit my losses, but sometimes I set a stop loss to protect my gains. In nearly every case so far, I have given up major profits.

Here's my examples:

GT Stopped out at $13.80 (on strike news), pps now $25.66

F stopped out at 8.20, pps now $8.90

NGAS stopped out at 6.75, pps now 7.15

Apple stopped out at $70.00, pps now $85.00

Wolf stopped out at $11.40, pps now $14.60

So far, I have only one auto stop loss work out.
BSX stopped out at $17.90, pps now $17.50

Of course, there were a whole bunch of times where I should have set a stop loss and did not, and now I am very much in the hole on those. Seems it always works that way. There are also times when I've sold, at my target price, only to have the stock skyrocket later.

What are others' experiences with stop-losses? When you have gains is there a percentage that you use to protect them? Or do you just decide a target price and stick to that through all the downturns.

Jo

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before you break my heart!!!!!! lol sorry was making fun of the title of the thread... anyways instead of me writing a whole novel on this i'll give you two sayings from my experiences in poker that we use and trading:

Poker:

It's better to win a small pot then lose a big pot...

Trading:

Plan your trade and trade your plan...


Hope you understood them and that this helps in your decisions because we cannot predict the future as much as we try and think we can...

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