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quote:
Originally posted by MillerTIME:
Now dont stone me to death please. But i am going to go against Docs and Imak's very positive posts from last night and today and hopefully more to come.

They are definately positive and have/will be buying more. They saw something obviously. I have not taken any flights to the studio and have seen nothing that they have seen. I have sold about 80% of my holdings and now only hold 980K shares.

I am going to hit straight at the heart about the long term business of QTN. Yes we all know that Frank is a crook. The real truth is that this guy is a convict and has a lengthy criminal record. Some may not agree but i think its safe to say IMO that he purposely mislead (and maybe flat out lied) to suck all the potential investors in he could. End result we are at .0001.

Now thats not my point, and i am NOT doing this to bash all the friends i have made on this board, nor the investment that i have been involved with for the past 8 months.

I bring this up, because i want to have a constructful debate with many of the members on this board. We have all heard that about the 640B potential money with the GLBT community and have seen the good programming on QTN. Yes i agree it is a great idea to have a channel for the GLBT and at first thought it was a big moneymaker.

I don't think Doc's and Imak's posting should be viewed as positive or negative by anyone but themselves.

Again, it would not be official either way.

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quote:
Originally posted by Esteban99:
I don't believe a market order with *most* institutions will be able to give you 5 digits. They just aren't set up for it.

Esteban
I agree with what you're saying: most broker systems don't accept that many decimals, and my broker will not allow me to place such orders.

But I actually have had trades go through with the extra decimal, when I've offered to sell shares at a price that ended up being slightly lower than the current bid (ask was .0002 and I ended up with .00021).

Apparently some brokers do allow that many decimals ... maybe those that specialize in pinkies? Anyone use a broker that allows an extra decimal?

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sorry, my last post should be "originally bought Q in May 2004 at .015/sh" Don't know where I got 1998 from. lol. My bad!
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Oh well. I added 6 mil more today. In for a penny, in for a pound! [Smile]

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QBID'n, if you really want it that bad, turn to the west and click your ruby slippers two times! [Wink] 'Atta girl
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Yes we can debate MT. But wouldn't that be going in circles? Isn't that what's been going on for quite sometime now?

We have positive longs, negative bashers and no official documentation. What else is there to debate?

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quote:
Originally posted by ltesprit:
QBID'n, if you really want it that bad, turn to the west and click your ruby slippers two times! [Wink] 'Atta girl

All the girly sh*t aside...you should be thankful your not in front of me right now.
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Exactly.. all we have is opinion and speculation which have been debated and re-debated and over-debated for several months now.. until we have some basis of facts.. this thread is mainly a social gathering... for debate.. lol


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Originally posted by QBID'n:
Yes we can debate MT. But wouldn't that be going in circles? Isn't that what's been going on for quite sometime now?

We have positive longs, negative bashers and no official documentation. What else is there to debate?


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MillerTIME ... you have a PM.

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quote:
Originally posted by JimS:
[QB]I know I am rambling here and hope I didn't bore anyone./QB]

Don't worry; that was a very good post.

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But don't get me wrong MT...because I'm probably one of the biggest believers in TMM.

I'm just patiently waiting for the numbers.

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It's hard to see the woods when you are in the trees... some of us see what we want when it comes to with QBID. The glass is half full or the glass is half empty. It does not matter - it is still half. Rose colored glasses or cold hard facts?
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BUT

and again i do this for the purpose of bringing out the truth and having a constructful debate.

I dont really know how to word what i have been thinking for a while now, so it may come out in bunches, but here i go.

First lets start off with the burn rate. Frank has said earlier that it was $1M. Now i guess we will go with that, although a good arguement could be made that Frank has lied about 80% of numbers he has said in the past. That 1M dollar burn rate was said many many months ago, before the hirings of many of the new members of QTN. Randy vaughn (lawyer) sandara Bernhard, Steve Kmetko, Robbie Laughlin, etc. And the addition of new shows and better programming. So i think its safe to say for the purpose of this debate that the burn rate per month is somewhere between $2-3M dollars. (Also take into account that Doc said he saw maybe double as many employees from the fall. If i recall correctly.

Number two, we will not include advertisers in this debate for 2 reasons. Number 1, currently the advertisers are questionable, if best. And number two, Scott withers has said they will be getting rid of advertisers because its pay tv.

Number three, subscribers. The main revenue stream is subs, subs, subs. In the recent article from the Financial times from this monday, Frank Olson, said and i quote "they only expect to get 1-2% subsribers from the homes they are in." WOW. 1-2%. Yes currently, we arent really making ANY money off the new carriers, BUT for the purpose of the debate we will say that new carriers immidately bring in profits. And ive heard before, that it will be half and half. Carriers get half of the 7.95 and network gets the other half.
---sooo. From the most recent PR, it said that with the launch of raliegh (or was it lincoln) it brought their total household reach to 3M houses. Not bad for a startup. 1-2% of 3M houses is a whopping 30-60K subsribers. Yes i did the math correclty. Multiply that by the $4 for every sub and you get 120K-240K dollars per month against the burn rate of 2-3M dollars.

And for the purpose of this debate, lets say they get 20M household reach by 2007. Thats 200K-400K subsribers. At $4 a sub and you get 800K-1.6M. Against the burn rate of 2-3M. Now thats not taking into account, that by 2007 their burnrate would probably be much much higher. Who knows maybe 4-5M.

2008 lets say they reach 40M houses. Thats 800K subs and 3.2M in revs. That would equal the burnrate of 2005-2006.

What im trying to get at is how exactly does Q television Network expect to EVER become profitable.

And in addition that line about breakeven in jan 2006 and profitable by may 2006 by Frank olsen, is a Straight up LIE IMO.

Now the reason i put this out is because i wanna know if im missing something or how they expect to make money, and because i wanna have a good debate on this. These are the issues at hand

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quote:
Originally posted by HossTrader:
Oh well. I added 6 mil more today. In for a penny, in for a pound! [Smile]

Glutton for punishment

Hoss I just wished I had my tax refund right now.
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if the pps falls to 0001 at the close i will tell you guys some info ..because frankly ,,,like doc and imak,,i heard and seen many postive things at the studios..bu the fact is that as long as the pps isnt higher than all the words i have heard could have been bullshi#.
so if frank wants to leave me with a sour stomach for the weekend with 0001,,im gonna tell you guys what he said...if it stays at 0002 ..ill be quiet for one more week [Smile]

im what u call borderline right now....yes..i went to the studios and got a parade from frank....i dont trust frank..i have a meeting with him at the end of this month to "see how things have changed" in franks words.
bottomline is...like i told frank....i only care about the money i put it..i told frank that i could care less for his life time dream..im sure a lot of people have put pressure on frank...thats why hes not even in his office half the time....im not gonna sugarcoat it....its ugly...and thats why i didnt care when i told frank i dont care about his dream...i just care about the pps. im pissed because they didnt even get to talk to frank...randy vahan is a new lawyer with q...he really knows nothing about share structure or anything related to the stock. he definately is a tight lipped guy that doesnt release any information.. frank is the opposite...he will tell you everything...only problem is it never comes true..

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quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
BTW, just wondering here...(NOT IMPLYING ANY WRONG DOING) if they did see some information that isn't public, how can they still be trading the stock. Wouldn't this be insider trading?

Hey, more folks are catching on...!

Just a few here are still in denial. They're more concerned about what they want to believe than what is likely. Apparently, Doc and Imak weren't shown the audit or other docs they went down to see. They have not mentioned them, nor did they indicate they signed an NDA regarding them, and they are still trading QBID shares.

If you check my posts I must have thanked Doc and Imak at least several times for their time, expense, effort, etc, nor asked them for anything...

Theere are a few folks here in denial and projecting their anger. Remember: don't invest angry!

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quote:
Originally posted by QBID'n:
All the girly sh*t aside...

Well I'm glad you cleared that up. I thought you were going to take your hula-hoop and go home [Wink]
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ltesprit
Where is Lumberg, OH?

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Huh?....to get involved in all of what TMM/QTN is today and not make money?
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as far as the nda goes..all they really do is take a copy of the drivers license before u talk to randy vahan...thats about it..they dont tell you that u cant trade the stock or anything close to that
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the reason im posting is because so many people are off the mark...and i hate to see people that lost..lol
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Looks many of us are beginning to face the fact.
We don't care about GREAT NETWORK.We just want our money back. [Smile] 0.0001 dumpping continued.Why?? Is this a signal for R/S?who knows.

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Now how hard was it to use words such as "likely" and "apparently"? [Big Grin]

Denial means not seeing it for what it is. And as of right now I just don't want anyone but Doc and Monkey telling me what they were told! The whole reason QBID people get pissed with Q in general is not knowing verifiable facts.

Facts are good!

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Hey Itsspit answer this to prove yourself a dumbazz.

Why do you want to see what they found out?

Don't twist and belly up now.

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Very Good analysis. And while we can debate your supposition for yet another year, in then end, only the management of TMM can answer your questions. And even in that case, most likely not truthfully. If there is any good news, perhaps it is that revenues are derrived from other sources besides monthly subscriptions... I beleive they have a Movie library that is a revenue stream, as well as the uplink facilities, etc... so even if QTV can't make a profit for sometime, I SUPPOSE it is possible that QBID(TMM) can.


quote:
Originally posted by MillerTIME:
BUT

and again i do this for the purpose of bringing out the truth and having a constructful debate.

I dont really know how to word what i have been thinking for a while now, so it may come out in bunches, but here i go.

First lets start off with the burn rate. Frank has said earlier that it was $1M. Now i guess we will go with that, although a good arguement could be made that Frank has lied about 80% of numbers he has said in the past. That 1M dollar burn rate was said many many months ago, before the hirings of many of the new members of QTN. Randy vaughn (lawyer) sandara Bernhard, Steve Kmetko, Robbie Laughlin, etc. And the addition of new shows and better programming. So i think its safe to say for the purpose of this debate that the burn rate per month is somewhere between $2-3M dollars. (Also take into account that Doc said he saw maybe double as many employees from the fall. If i recall correctly.

Number two, we will not include advertisers in this debate for 2 reasons. Number 1, currently the advertisers are questionable, if best. And number two, Scott withers has said they will be getting rid of advertisers because its pay tv.

Number three, subscribers. The main revenue stream is subs, subs, subs. In the recent article from the Financial times from this monday, Frank Olson, said and i quote "they only expect to get 1-2% subsribers from the homes they are in." WOW. 1-2%. Yes currently, we arent really making ANY money off the new carriers, BUT for the purpose of the debate we will say that new carriers immidately bring in profits. And ive heard before, that it will be half and half. Carriers get half of the 7.95 and network gets the other half.
---sooo. From the most recent PR, it said that with the launch of raliegh (or was it lincoln) it brought their total household reach to 3M houses. Not bad for a startup. 1-2% of 3M houses is a whopping 30-60K subsribers. Yes i did the math correclty. Multiply that by the $4 for every sub and you get 120K-240K dollars per month against the burn rate of 2-3M dollars.

And for the purpose of this debate, lets say they get 20M household reach by 2007. Thats 200K-400K subsribers. At $4 a sub and you get 800K-1.6M. Against the burn rate of 2-3M. Now thats not taking into account, that by 2007 their burnrate would probably be much much higher. Who knows maybe 4-5M.

2008 lets say they reach 40M houses. Thats 800K subs and 3.2M in revs. That would equal the burnrate of 2005-2006.

What im trying to get at is how exactly does Q television Network expect to EVER become profitable.

And in addition that line about breakeven in jan 2006 and profitable by may 2006 by Frank olsen, is a Straight up LIE IMO.

Now the reason i put this out is because i wanna know if im missing something or how they expect to make money, and because i wanna have a good debate on this. These are the issues at hand


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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by MillerTIME:
Now dont stone me to death please. But i am going to go against Docs and Imak's very positive posts from last night and today and hopefully more to come.

They are definately positive and have/will be buying more. They saw something obviously. I have not taken any flights to the studio and have seen nothing that they have seen. I have sold about 80% of my holdings and now only hold 980K shares.

I am going to hit straight at the heart about the long term business of QTN. Yes we all know that Frank is a crook. The real truth is that this guy is a convict and has a lengthy criminal record. Some may not agree but i think its safe to say IMO that he purposely mislead (and maybe flat out lied) to suck all the potential investors in he could. End result we are at .0001.

Now thats not my point, and i am NOT doing this to bash all the friends i have made on this board, nor the investment that i have been involved with for the past 8 months.

I bring this up, because i want to have a constructful debate with many of the members on this board. We have all heard that about the 640B potential money with the GLBT community and have seen the good programming on QTN. Yes i agree it is a great idea to have a channel for the GLBT and at first thought it was a big moneymaker.

I don't think Doc's and Imak's posting should be viewed as positive or negative by anyone but themselves.

Again, it would not be official either way.

your Right QBID'n. i should allow DOC and IMAK to speak for themselves. It was rude to speak for them, and i take my comment back.

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With all the bickering going on has anybody been watching the trades? Since last Fri and this week we have had huge volume with the majority of trades being buys (range about 80-90%)- granted at .0002, but all buys none the less. Today's ratio has been about 90-95% buys. Someone is doing a lot of buying or a bunch of newbies are getting "suckered in" Or the MM's are "f*&^%ing with us.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dew-it:
With all the bickering going on has anybody been watching the trades? Since last Fri and this week we have had huge volume with the majority of trades being buys (range about 80-90%)- granted at .0002, but all buys none the less. Today's ratio has been about 90-95% buys. Someone is doing a lot of buying or a bunch of newbies are getting "suckered in" Or the MM's are "f*&^%ing with us.

Correct, there has been quite a lot of buying going on today.

LOL, i do hope that somebody paints to tape with a minute to go and we close at .0001 so that davidjanas will spill the beans!

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5 mins to close
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Although I still hold a bunch this junk.I wish it closes 0001 TODAY.Because davidjanas will say some thing. [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dew-it:
With all the bickering going on has anybody been watching the trades? Since last Fri and this week we have had huge volume with the majority of trades being buys (range about 80-90%)- granted at .0002, but all buys none the less. Today's ratio has been about 90-95% buys. Someone is doing a lot of buying or a bunch of newbies are getting "suckered in" Or the MM's are "f*&^%ing with us.

Dew MT is the best chart go-to-guy I know of so maybe getting his input as to who are possibly making those buys, MM's or whoever, you can get an answer.
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0001.Come on,davidjanas.Say some thing. [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by davidjanas:
5 mins to close

I got 2 guesses.

1.Morgan Stanely backed off of their Loan for QTN
2.TMM is going to decalre bankruptcy

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DJ..see ya next week buddy:)

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