quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: ....the MM sure did a complete 180 from yesterday...looked like we were heading down and now i wouldnt be surprised to see .0011 today
Miller I don't understand why we haven't seen a significant rise already, based on the info that came from yesterday's meeting. Maybe current owners are giving this info too much credit, and maybe the general market has not heard the news, but I expected some PPS action from current owners at today's bell.
Oh well, should be an interesting day-week-month.
Thanks again to Doctoall and davidjanus for providing us with feedback. Great job.
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Doc do you agree that frank mentioned that the audit will be complete and announced in Oct? Or not? EEHEASEEWDFGHJKL:
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well lets see, he stated that he is so im going to guess yes.
of cource he is im sure Rene is also.
quote:Originally posted by stashu: Does anyone here think that Frank himself is one of the "private investors"?
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Its been said that the investors are collecting interest on their money, so that would be one incentive to invest besides possibly holding as many shares as Scrooge Mcduck. I used to love looking in his vault. Posts: 4245 | From: SMALLVILLE USA | Registered: May 2004
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IMHO, there are 23.5 billion shares outstanding (or will be by the time Frank is done diluting, assuming he still is) At this point, with carriers and we'll say another 5 cities or so, I'd put Q's valuation at about $500 million.
So my sell order is in at $.0210
No offense, but I don't see Frank sticking with this company for another 10 years (let alone living that long) so I find it hard to believe we're going to see these 10 cent prices or higher that everyone is talking about. You guys need to be realistic in your valuation of QBID.
Yes, it's undervalued, but not by much. Remember that it's not even fully reporting, and likely won't be even after the 60th day. This is FRANK we're talking about. I've heard absolutely no one say they've heard any hard guarantee from him about the audit actually being completed.
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i read i think it was from David that they are getting 13-16% return on thier money.
i have no problem with that. they are risking money and getting a higher return then in the bank.
Rod
quote:Originally posted by GatorMan: Doc, regarding the private investors, if they are each putting $200k per month into the company what are they getting in return? It this a loan?
Thanks for all the info. Good job!
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My buddy was at the open house yesterday. He said that frank had his boyfriend sit in on the private meetings, or at least the one that he was in. He said that franks boyfriend kept answering questions in front of frank and was somewhat rude. doc, was he in the meeting you were in, if so i cant see that as a good indicator of professionalism.
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quote:Originally posted by DIGDOUGH: Doc do you agree that frank mentioned that the audit will be complete and announced in Oct? Or not? EEHEASEEWDFGHJKL:
I think that the audit will be a topic of discussion at the CC. I am not expecting a full release but you can be sure that many questions will be asked by the investors. If Frank holds true to his word about being more forthright with the investors we should be able to get a better idea of where the audit is and any problems associated with it. One can only hope
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i also heard that frank was kind of shaky and on edge, i can imagine that is understandable though, he must know that a lot of shareholders are pissed at him. doc, would you say that after meeting frank your opinion of him has gone up or down. does he seem like the kind of guy that can negotiate a multi billion dollar deal with a major corporation. just asking because from what i have heard and seen on marketwatch, he does not seem like he has it all together, he sometimes has a hard time even getting his facts straight on his own company
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quote:Originally posted by frankdukes: My buddy was at the open house yesterday. He said that frank had his boyfriend sit in on the private meetings, or at least the one that he was in. He said that franks boyfriend kept answering questions in front of frank and was somewhat rude. doc, was he in the meeting you were in, if so i cant see that as a good indicator of professionalism.
He was not in the meeting that I was in, our meeting was very professional. During our meeting a couple of his employees knocked on the door and Frank told them that he was not finished with our group.
Frank was not hurried through out meeting at no time, he then extended a photo op so that I could get a few pics with him. He was very much in control of the meeting that I was in
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quote:Originally posted by frankdukes: i also heard that frank was kind of shaky and on edge, i can imagine that is understandable though, he must know that a lot of shareholders are pissed at him. doc, would you say that after meeting frank your opinion of him has gone up or down. does he seem like the kind of guy that can negotiate a multi billion dollar deal with a major corporation. just asking because from what i have heard and seen on marketwatch, he does not seem like he has it all together, he sometimes has a hard time even getting his facts straight on his own company
What a crock LOL
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quote:Originally posted by frankdukes: i also heard that frank was kind of shaky and on edge, i can imagine that is understandable though, he must know that a lot of shareholders are pissed at him. doc, would you say that after meeting frank your opinion of him has gone up or down. does he seem like the kind of guy that can negotiate a multi billion dollar deal with a major corporation. just asking because from what i have heard and seen on marketwatch, he does not seem like he has it all together, he sometimes has a hard time even getting his facts straight on his own company
Frank does not have to negotiate anything if he does not want to. Frank is smart in that he has surrounded himself with quality professional people who will do the work for him.
I feel that Scott Withers and Alexis Fish are more than capable of getting us the contracts that are needed. An Exec is only as good as the people he/she surrounds themselves with and Frank has choosen quality capable gogetters
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in the meeting my buddy was in someone pulled out a video camera to try and video it, frank got somewhat upset and asked them for the video. there was also a question of who would be second in command if franks health was to keep deteriorating
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Frankduke you are only trying to create problems here. the fact that you are the only one that is making these statements, you are not going to be taken seriously.
there where enough people there from IHUB as well that if any of what you have to say was true, we would know of this by now.
be gone with your foolishness.
Rod
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quote:Originally posted by frankdukes: i also heard that frank was kind of shaky and on edge, i can imagine that is understandable though, he must know that a lot of shareholders are pissed at him. doc, would you say that after meeting frank your opinion of him has gone up or down. does he seem like the kind of guy that can negotiate a multi billion dollar deal with a major corporation. just asking because from what i have heard and seen on marketwatch, he does not seem like he has it all together, he sometimes has a hard time even getting his facts straight on his own company
honestly...this is something i will always wonder about...i always immiedately label this type of posts, and posters as bashers...(first off he has only 4 posts)...but, since i started looking at the Q boards in the past couple of months, i have seen so many of these types...
honest to god, what are they....i dont really believe in paid bashers....he definately does NOT own shares of Q currently..whether he is a short term trader or he is a member of allstocks with another name and has a low self esteem so he comes on here to bash the stock to make him feel good???
i have just been confused as to what these people are? like jonas invest...who they heck are they
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quote:Originally posted by frankdukes: in the meeting my buddy was in someone pulled out a video camera to try and video it, frank got somewhat upset and asked them for the video. there was also a question of who would be second in command if franks health was to keep deteriorating
My understanding is that the somebody was "not" a shareholder but rather someone from the studio and Frank instructed them not to tape the session. I was not in the room so I am only reporting what I was told and I can assure you that the source is very reliable.
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Rod: What are they reporting or saying at the "I" ?
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quote:Originally posted by frankdukes: i also heard that frank was kind of shaky and on edge, i can imagine that is understandable though, he must know that a lot of shareholders are pissed at him. doc, would you say that after meeting frank your opinion of him has gone up or down. does he seem like the kind of guy that can negotiate a multi billion dollar deal with a major corporation. just asking because from what i have heard and seen on marketwatch, he does not seem like he has it all together, he sometimes has a hard time even getting his facts straight on his own company
honestly...this is something i will always wonder about...i always immiedately label this type of posts, and posters as bashers...(first off he has only 4 posts)...but, since i started looking at the Q boards in the past couple of months, i have seen so many of these types...
honest to god, what are they....i dont really believe in paid bashers....he definately does NOT own shares of Q currently..whether he is a short term trader or he is a member of allstocks with another name and has a low self esteem so he comes on here to bash the stock to make him feel good???
i have just been confused as to what these people are? like jonas invest...who they heck are they
My vote is that they are really bored and find stirring the pot entertaining.
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scott was mentioned as being the second in charge i believe. hoss trader, what was said that is a "crock"? have you watched the marketwatch interview of frank or met him? if not, what position are you in to comment, if so, are you telling me he is well polished and has his facts all together? i have formed my own opinions and i would like to bounce them off of other investors that have an informed and intelligent point of view, if you have neither then keep your comments to yourself
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quote:Originally posted by g-invest: IMHO, there are 23.5 billion shares outstanding (or will be by the time Frank is done diluting, assuming he still is) At this point, with carriers and we'll say another 5 cities or so, I'd put Q's valuation at about $500 million.
So my sell order is in at $.0210
No offense, but I don't see Frank sticking with this company for another 10 years (let alone living that long) so I find it hard to believe we're going to see these 10 cent prices or higher that everyone is talking about. You guys need to be realistic in your valuation of QBID.
Yes, it's undervalued, but not by much. Remember that it's not even fully reporting, and likely won't be even after the 60th day. This is FRANK we're talking about. I've heard absolutely no one say they've heard any hard guarantee from him about the audit actually being completed.
how can u put in a sell order now with the audit and move to another exchange still pending; both of which we have no idea about really... its anyones guess as to how high this may go. id say for now invest $$ if u want to certainly see a 100% return in ur money from where the pps currently is. (im talking .0018 to .0022) then make up ur mind to buy and hold long term depending on what future Q is making us aware of. Right now they are doing the work, but we are completely unaware of the financials and such. I believe with time this will all happen but i do not get my hopes up to see penny land anytime soon .... i would love to be wrong about that of course! .021 is really specific! i sure hope ur right on the money baby....
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This is my opinion on how the meeting went. First of all they had us outside in a tent, there two huge plasma screens and a very good caterer. There were workers everywhere, all of them full of spunk and willing to chat it up.
First Scott Withers and Alexis Fish addressed us; I must say I am very impressed with them both. The questions that they were supposed to answer was about programming and content, but many were asking about why our investment wasn’t going up….I am proud to say it wasn’t anybody who I am familiar with. All those folks acted very professional.
Of course I asked many questions; probably my best was about who they saw as a big name “celebrity” maybe coming over to the Q. It was obvious by the response that they were indeed talking with people, but nothing was given out. My impression and I believe they even stated that build it and they will come. It appears they are getting people by the hundreds/thousands submitting ideas to them about programming, etc. etc.
That went on for about a half an hour, they then started taking group tours of the studio. I laid back because I saw Honey Labrador close by, and the group I was with wasn’t budging. She came out and I couldn’t believe how well spoken and professional she was, not to mention drop dead gorgeous. Again, I asked questions as did others, but basically about programming and how she liked working with Scott. She was and is a very genuine person from what I could gather.
We then head in for our studio tour, it was me, florist and his partner (don’t want to mention names but they are both so classy) a friend of theirs, (again, a very fine gentleman) 4horseman0, (very cool guy and cared enough about this/investors to leave Disney…a pat on the back is deserved for him) BillH, (wonderful gentleman and a TRUE LONG, kind enough to go out of his way and explain to me what to do when I arrived into LA, thanks again Bill) Doctoall, (who I am ashamed to say I just had the pleasure of speaking with, I knew of his posts on AllStocks, but having now met him, if he posts it, I am trusting it……a fine man indeed) and my buddy, a fellow shareholder.
We were all astounded, much more than you envision before you arrived. It seemed huge to me, but Jeff said once the company really takes off they will need to expand yet again. The sets were magnificent, very professional and it seemed all of them had a few workers doing something there.
Making our way through and getting our pictures, Chrisanne Eastwood came out by surprise and answered some questions. Intelligence reeks from her, I always thought she is very opinionated and that showed today.
Outside to props, more workers and more workers. Don’t quote me completely but I think we were told QTN has 100 employees now, if that isn’t impressive, I don’t know what is. Our guide was not yet hired on fully, but soon would be, he was already talking about buying shares and how employees get options to buy. Please know he wasn’t full time, so he may have been mistaken about being able to buy shares through the company. That didn’t bother me, there were so many employees there and they were very honest about owning stock. This says a lot about our investment and would tell us if it fails, then it fails for us all.
We came back out and talked with Saskia, again having met her I knew the type of character she was. She continues to impress me and she is a looker in my opinion as well, with the sweetest voice you ever heard. I got some great pictures of this all, and will be posting them very soon.
Though DukeofEarl doesn’t post here anymore, I wanted to say thank you to him and his wife for coming out and being so pleasant….a real class act and I kept begging him to come back to the hub. We went to dinner together and the guy really has some great ideas and opinions about QTN, hope to see him posting again soon.
As I was getting to know Doctoall a bit more; my group was talking with Jack E Jett, someone came out and said they were going to start taking groups in to see Frank. LOL, Doc told me I had no choice, let’s move Clayton he said…..LOL….our group was the smallest and ron2w was in it. Didn’t know that until after it was all over, and I want to say thank you ron2w for being a gent and asking some good questions.
Doc’s post pretty much sums up our meeting with Frank, I will stay away from any other interpretations about it. He did a fine job and I can verify that he didn’t lie about one thing in his post. If you didn’t see it, please read it.
I absorbed so much more, met many other employees and people that probably didn’t make this post. For that I am sorry, because I didn’t see a bad face that day….truly.
Well, my opinion is my opinion and it goes as such. The company is spending a lot of money; I think they are spending it wisely. I think Frank is a man with a dream that has turned into a reality quicker than he could have imagined. I think a lot of things were in the works and some of them may have got dropped for various reasons. I think he needed money to buy that studio and he sold shares to do it. In my opinion it was money well spent. I think he wasn’t honest about a lot of it and as a result the PPS has suffered.
I am not sure if there are still shares being sold, I wouldn’t rule it out and I for one think it still may be going on. I do however feel that it is worth it, but we need to be informed to better solidify our investment. The CC is crucial for us; we need to ask the right questions because they are giving us that opportunity to clear up issues and start over fresh.
I still have my concerns, I really do, but I feel so much better for having gone. I got to see how this is being run, meet the array of people working there and also getting to look Frank in the eye. He didn’t have to invite us in and answer our questions, but he did, and for that he has my respect.
I know a lot of you are going to ask me are we going to make money on this thing, the truth is I don’t have a clue. I am more confident in this company as succeeding as a network than I have ever been and that is enough for me to see it through.
Please know that in the past things have happened with this company that has kept me questioning, but if they would have been more open about what was going on and not issuing some of the PR’s they had, then everything would have been fine. In other words there would have been no need for a shareholder letter, a studio meeting or another CC. I believe they are trying hard, but we need to use that CC to ask the hard questions, that is the day you should decide to buy more or sell all.
If I ever influenced anyone to buy on my posts or sell, I apologize, but that shouldn’t be in your investment strategy. The good news is this, if you sold out, the PPS is almost at its lowest point and you still have your chance to get back in having lost nothing. It is your decision, but be on that CC come next week, it is crucial we get as many questions answered as possible. I think HowsMusic4U’s list is key, forming a group, getting a print out and asking one by one; checking the list as we go. If you want to be a part of this and our calling in, please let us know.
Hope this was informative and look for pictures to come soon. I am happy to answer what I CAN for all of you, so ask what you want.
Thanks again, Clayton (lobo)
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Thanks for the DD Doc, I'm not entirely convinced that Frank is serious about the audit, if they have to delay because of the dirty shell, the very least they could do is tell us when they'll be able to complete the audit or who they are waiting on so we can put pressure on them.
Also, you may want to ignore frankdukes, it sounds like he's making up his hearsay. If he was legit, he'd say more than just "a buddy of mine". After all, he lives in Las Vegas and I doubt any of his online friends live in that area.
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quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: Doc did you guys get to see the live taping of the reichen show?
We first visited the set and met the stars, were given the opportunity to talk with them. When the taping began we went to the tent where we watched the taping on the Plasma screens.
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quote:Originally posted by MillerTIME: Doc did you guys get to see the live taping of the reichen show?
We first visited the set and met the stars, were given the opportunity to talk with them. When the taping began we went to the tent where we watched the taping on the Plasma screens.
what, if any advertisements did you see on the recichen show???
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quote:Originally posted by frankdukes: scott was mentioned as being the second in charge i believe. hoss trader, what was said that is a "crock"? have you watched the marketwatch interview of frank or met him? if not, what position are you in to comment, if so, are you telling me he is well polished and has his facts all together? i have formed my own opinions and i would like to bounce them off of other investors that have an informed and intelligent point of view, if you have neither then keep your comments to yourself
Yep. Still a crock.
I did see at least one interview. But I am calling the whole tone and style of your post as making it an obvious crock and not an attempt at discussion. You try to sound sort of in support but with some "valid" questions. Typical basher technique.
Let's start with the "my buddy" part. Nice way to disassociate yourself from your own remarks while giving you an out to anything proven wrong. Thereby keeping the veil of good guy.
Secondly, Frank has pulled off multi-million dollar negotiations. Asking about how someone "feels" about his competence is irrelevant. Actions speak.
Third, changing names isn't enough. Change your typing style.
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i havent checked in to much this morning, but last night it was LOBO talking about the same things you where talking about, and lobo has been praising you up big time over there.
Im sure we will get a few new faces come over from there to try and discredit your findings, and im figuring that Frankduke is one of them.
I know that you will recieve a good welcome over at IHUB if you end up there. i didnt read all the posts over there though there must have been 3 or 400 posts last night. i dont have that kind of time, i just read the first couple sentences to see if it is worth reading the whole post. there are a lot of bashers over there that make it hard to sift through the good stuff.
that is why i have made this place my home.
rod
quote:Originally posted by Doctoall: Rod: What are they reporting or saying at the "I" ?
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i can not see how anything that i have said could be considered bashing. i am asking doc some questions based on some reports from someone who was there that has an unbiased opinion and is very experienced in the investment business. I am surprised to receive this kind of response, it shows the kind of minds some of these posters have. there is always two sides to any investment and you have to know both of them in order to come up with your exit strategy. doc even verified that he heard something about the camera deal i talked about.
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Scott is VP of Programming and is based at the studio in Burbank. His job is to promote the company and to bring new opportunities to "Q"
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I've noticed in a number of posts where a fair pps is trying to be determined based upon an assumed total value for the company. I won't argue what that total value should be but there seems to be a common mistake of dividing but the total number of shares outstanding (or thought to be outstanding). But since Frank owns 53% of the company, and no common shares (i.e., only preferred shares). That has to be taken into consideration. So if the company is valued at, say, $1B and there were, say, 20B shares outstanding you can't just divide the 20B into the $1B and say a fair pps is .05. You have to use 47% of the $1B, $470M and then divide (getting .0235). Those preferred shares are equity in the company and are not include in the outstanding share count (which is only common stock).
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