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quote:
Originally posted by MillerTIME:
alright guys i have visitied the bank and my money is being wired in as we speak...and i am not going little this time!!!MM (with daytraders helpin out) are runnin this down like a textbook example...right once we all get scared and see tons and tons of .0013 trades (MM trading shares to themsleves) than, that is when all the last bit of rookies will sell to the MM and the chart will fill in and the daytraders and MM will run it up...maybe not to high, but it will be a chart run, in the range of .0018 to .0023 if no news occurs....

I am feeling it too my man! [Smile]

Bring that green baby!

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polo1110 wrote:

Yeah juice, I just took the low (9.5) and high (15.5), reduced the 9.5 by 3% and the 15.5 by 2% to cover all possible numbers. Then I removed 53% from each number leaving me with 4.33105 on the low side and 7.1319 on the high side. The 53% was a MAJOR oversite when first posting, and now 3 billion doesn't seem so far off. Either way, I jsut wondered if I was missing something, so I asked.
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My understanding of the first buyback of 2% was based on the A/S not O/S so that would reduce by 1 Billion. http://www.qtelevision.com/site/press.asp?ID=3519
Then there was an aggressive buyback and a 3% buyback.

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polo glad to see some more interest in trying to pick out the o/s levels etc....i found the post that penny trader gave us a couple of weeks back very informational and if Frank has not been doing massive dilution, than i believe that Rod is probably very close to the number...i will see if i can find it...

and again, let me throw something in....yes dilution could very well be the case, and im not trying to say it isnt...( i dont think so, but i understand all the indicators are there..)

just remember 2 main things---Frank owns 53% of the entire float so he wants to make money on his shares...he is not going to do something that he sees jepordizing "his" money...but 2nd and foremost is the thought that Frank would not be selling into major runs before they occur...on runs like tw and cox, somebody was selling massive amounts of shares before the run even got legs...Frank is not stupid and would not ruin all the momentum by stoppin the run before it happens...it only makes sense...plus he knows that the stock could be much higher and he could dilute less shares into the market at higher price...logically dilution doesnt make sense, but yes i agree with you all, the indications cannot be forgotton

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Yes it is dilution ..

apparently, you dont like my opinion but unfortunately in a free society, there will be those that disagree.

How can you say what you did?? That is a stupid rhetorical question so I will not answer.

Yes, now my investment is peanuts..thanks to dilution..
so, i remain cause a tiny part of me is a dreamer.

Yet, that is an illusion cause the reality is dilution...

The D word..Yes again..LOL

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think so?
seems quiet and positive to me [Smile]

boy volume is low today.

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Everybody sure is edgy today...


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I am ready for a nice nooner - PR that is.
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[Smile]
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
think so?
seems quiet and positive to me [Smile]

boy volume is low today.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dew-it:
Everybody sure is edgy today...



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ahhah this is crazy!!!

everybody and their mother owns stock in Q and everyone is trying to figure out what is going on..now were getting lawsuits ready and the pressure is getting huge for Frank....ahhaahahahahaha

just picture something for me so we can all calm down...ahahhhah oh man your gonna laugh!!!!

picture frank calling a shareholders meeting tommorrow without any audit and the current situation we are in!!!ahahhah somebody would probably try and kill him, no joke!!!

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You are exactly right. When I get in a rush I really do a sloppy job huh? Also, that will bring the number even closer to Rods number, and now I understand where it came from. What was the A/S count again. I'm sure I'll find it faster by asking here then searching.


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polo1110 wrote:

Yeah juice, I just took the low (9.5) and high (15.5), reduced the 9.5 by 3% and the 15.5 by 2% to cover all possible numbers. Then I removed 53% from each number leaving me with 4.33105 on the low side and 7.1319 on the high side. The 53% was a MAJOR oversite when first posting, and now 3 billion doesn't seem so far off. Either way, I jsut wondered if I was missing something, so I asked.
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My understanding of the first buyback of 2% was based on the A/S not O/S so that would reduce by 1 Billion. http://www.qtelevision.com/site/press.asp?ID=3519
Then there was an aggressive buyback and a 3% buyback.



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A/S was last reported at 50 Billion.

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alright everybody, this is the best i have seen regarding the share structure of Q currently, brought to us by our ROD!!(great DD rod)

Im reposting this from the other thread as im not sure which thread we are going to use

REPOST:

In February 2004 it was noted that there were 15 billion authorized shares with 7.5 billion of those outstanding


To maintain majority vote, Frank Olsen, president owns 53% of the O/S. 3.975 Billion. This leaves 3.525 billion in the float


After a large increase in PPS, Q Television Network, QTN, dilutes the price and releases 2 billion more shares into the outstanding shares from the authorized shares.


After the dilution there are 9.5 billion outstanding shares. Frank owns 53%, or 5.035 billion, and the float is now 4.465 billion.


To expand, QTN receives a loan to acquire movie deals and rights to broadcast the 2006 Gay Games in Chicago. As collateral, QTN creates 6 billion more outstanding shares. Since the original 15 billion authorized shares were not enough to release 6 billion into the outstanding shares, the authorized shares count was increased to 50 billion.


Outstanding shares are now 15.5 billion. Frank still only owns 5.035 billion and the float is still just 4.465 billion. The 6 billion new shares are just for collateral. These 6 billion are restricted shares.


An announced buyback is completed in late December, 2005. Although the official number of shares bought back is not announced, it is speculated that at least 1 billion were bought back.


Therefore there are 3.465 billion in the float, 5.035 billion owned by Frank, and 6 billion restricted shares. We can assume Frank only wants to own 53% of the shares not including the restricted shares. Therefore he can also reduce his share count by 1.128 billion shares to 3.907 billion.


Thus the total, estimated, outstanding share count would be the 6 billion restricted + 3.907 billion of Franks shares + 3.465 billion in the float. Total = 13.372 billion shares outstanding.


After the loan is repaid and there is no need for collateral the 6 billion restricted shares can be destroyed. Future estimated outstanding share count is then 7.372 billion shares.


now a 3% buy back is stateted as being done by Richard thus reducing the numbers again to
7.151 billion.

Frank still owns 53% which totals 3.79 billion leaving a float of 3.36 billion shares

so if you look at the potential of us being a billion dollar company as was stated in one of our prs they we are already looking at a potential of .30 without in multipliers.

its only a mater of time.

so basically what has happened is that 1/3 of the float was traded today, but you full well know that there are enough shares just onlur board alone that there is no way that 1/3 of the shares traded hands today. The MM's kept bouncing shares back and forth and held the price down all day to try and cover the short positions.

Frank may well have proven his case to the SEC today. the real deal is going to be tomorrow. now that we have broke the billion share trigger, there are going to be a bunch of new investors that will be looking at us in the AM and they are going to see the potential an the low price, and out new lowered float numbers, and they are going to be willing to pay to get into this game. this should drive the price up at an alarming rate tomorrow.

I hope im not mistaken on this but today was only the first step of a very big news week. I was not expecting this to happen till next week at the earliest.

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thinkmoney,

my point was that i havent seen you offer any alternative info... just dilution statements.

and when you said "i thought about it" like you were sharing a new thought i gave it credence until i realized that it was not new info nor a new thought.

like i said nothing personal. i just read trying to digest all sides, so i can figure out if i am being taken for a ride or not. i dont put 100% faith in any pink sheet being legit. i dont want to find out that hey, everything's great but Q was sold out from under us.

agreed, those of us who got in a year ago are all down. the question is do we continue to take the risk, having averaged down, or cut our losses. at least that's where im comin from.

the dream is there with the risk.

again, no offense, i was just pointing out that your dilution theory has been clearly stated, now do you think there is ANY chance it could be anything else? cuz otherwise theres no dream to be had [Frown]

i think theres a small chance it works out.. but ive got my finger on the sell trigger every day just in case the dream turns into a nightmare.

~BB


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Originally posted by thinkmoney:
Yes it is dilution ..

apparently, you dont like my opinion but unfortunately in a free society, there will be those that disagree.

How can you say what you did?? That is a stupid rhetorical question so I will not answer.

Yes, now my investment is peanuts..thanks to dilution..
so, i remain cause a tiny part of me is a dreamer.

Yet, that is an illusion cause the reality is dilution...

The D word..Yes again..LOL


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Awesome MT, thanks. I'll stop running the numbers myself as that looks to be in order. Also, big thanks to Rod and I'm not sure how I missed that huge post. lol

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well guys, just watch out here..we just upticked to .0015, but this is always when the MM sell their 9M blocks of shares..so just be warned..for somereason they always sell major shares once an uptick occurs or is about to occur...dont know exactly why, but it usually happens

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quote:
Originally posted by polo1110:
Awesome MT, thanks. I'll stop running the numbers myself as that looks to be in order. Also, big thanks to Rod and I'm not sure how I missed that huge post. lol

ohh it took me a dang long while to find it...i think it was back on page number 2!!!ahahh, but yah, it is a great post and love the DD Rod!!!

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Fair enough BB.

I also said a small part still has this dream but the reality I see is dilution.

I lost most om original investment but the human spirit hopes for a turnaround.

What I see sometimes is positive rhetoric and the fact is this stock has been on a sownward trend for a long time.

Reason I repeast dilution so that newbies dont get suckered.

yes, pink stocksare a risk but it makes me angry when fraud may be a factor in that risk.

I can accept risk but not intentional fraud risk. I dont know for sure but it is sickening when I see so many pink sheets issued in deceit.

I feel the pink sheets are a black market where investors get suckered by those that steal your money.

And, any newbie should know that qbid has been on a downtrend yet it continues to get pumped.

Again, if I am wrong, then I will be one happy person and some faith in humanity regained.

It is sad that I got suckered, eg..cmkx, possibly qbid. And, I got pursuaded when I was a newbie by so many pumping...Later, I realized..a game and be very cautious when someone says buy.

I learned in investing..not to buy in a downtrend...so..my advise is until QBID is in an uiptrend again, I would steer from the stock.

Why do we have pink sheets when so many say not much legitimacy?

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Im reposting this from the other thread as im not sure which thread we are going to use

REPOST:

In February 2004 it was noted that there were 15 billion authorized shares with 7.5 billion of those outstanding


To maintain majority vote, Frank Olsen, president owns 53% of the O/S. 3.975 Billion. This leaves 3.525 billion in the float


After a large increase in PPS, Q Television Network, QTN, dilutes the price and releases 2 billion more shares into the outstanding shares from the authorized shares.


After the dilution there are 9.5 billion outstanding shares. Frank owns 53%, or 5.035 billion, and the float is now 4.465 billion.


To expand, QTN receives a loan to acquire movie deals and rights to broadcast the 2006 Gay Games in Chicago. As collateral, QTN creates 6 billion more outstanding shares. Since the original 15 billion authorized shares were not enough to release 6 billion into the outstanding shares, the authorized shares count was increased to 50 billion.


Outstanding shares are now 15.5 billion. Frank still only owns 5.035 billion and the float is still just 4.465 billion. The 6 billion new shares are just for collateral. These 6 billion are restricted shares.


An announced buyback is completed in late December, 2005. Although the official number of shares bought back is not announced, it is speculated that at least 1 billion were bought back.


Therefore there are 3.465 billion in the float, 5.035 billion owned by Frank, and 6 billion restricted shares. We can assume Frank only wants to own 53% of the shares not including the restricted shares. Therefore he can also reduce his share count by 1.128 billion shares to 3.907 billion.


Thus the total, estimated, outstanding share count would be the 6 billion restricted + 3.907 billion of Franks shares + 3.465 billion in the float. Total = 13.372 billion shares outstanding.


After the loan is repaid and there is no need for collateral the 6 billion restricted shares can be destroyed. Future estimated outstanding share count is then 7.372 billion shares.


now a 3% buy back is stateted as being done by Richard thus reducing the numbers again to
7.151 billion.

Frank still owns 53% which totals 3.79 billion leaving a float of 3.36 billion shares

so if you look at the potential of us being a billion dollar company as was stated in one of our prs they we are already looking at a potential of .30 without in multipliers.

its only a mater of time.

so basically what has happened is that 1/3 of the float was traded today, but you full well know that there are enough shares just onlur board alone that there is no way that 1/3 of the shares traded hands today. The MM's kept bouncing shares back and forth and held the price down all day to try and cover the short positions.

Frank may well have proven his case to the SEC today. the real deal is going to be tomorrow. now that we have broke the billion share trigger, there are going to be a bunch of new investors that will be looking at us in the AM and they are going to see the potential an the low price, and out new lowered float numbers, and they are going to be willing to pay to get into this game. this should drive the price up at an alarming rate tomorrow.

I hope im not mistaken on this but today was only the first step of a very big news week. I was not expecting this to happen till next week at the earliest.

Oh ya and by the way Jackpot you where right last week. just wait till next week you will be crying.

Rod


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ding ding ding u win a prize MT!

.0013

so much for that uptick.

~BB

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well guys, just watch out here..we just upticked to .0015, but this is always when the MM sell their 9M blocks of shares..so just be warned..for somereason they always sell major shares once an uptick occurs or is about to occur...dont know exactly why, but it usually happens


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In the meantime, are MT and myself the only 2 interested in a little Q members only fantasy football league? Come on guys! [Smile]

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I am curious if anyone knows of any other tv networks tickers? I am curious to find out what most common companies such as BET or HSN, Oxygen trade under. Dont give me any crap about they trade around a dollar. Just give me the ticker and Ill look please...and thank you.

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Check out PAX. (Paxson Communications). They are running at a loss and trading at .60 a share.

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I am curious if anyone knows of any other tv networks tickers? I am curious to find out what most common companies such as BET or HSN, Oxygen trade under. Dont give me any crap about they trade around a dollar. Just give me the ticker and Ill look please...and thank you.


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"Q" will be covering this event as part of their games coverage (according to Richard) [Big Grin]


Gay Games Pioneer Guest at Chicago Benefit Cruise
08.23.05

(Chicago, IL) - Chicago organizers of the 2006 Chicago Gay Games invite supporters to board the Kanan, Navy Pier's newest luxury cruise liner, for a special benefit cruise on Saturday, 10 September 2005. Enjoy a two hour cruise with complimentary cocktails, hors d'oeuvres, music and a spectacular fireworks show viewed from beautiful Lake Michigan.
Meet and mingle with friends, Gay Games athletes, sponsors and board members. Boarding is at 8 pm with departure at 8:30 pm. Tickets are $75 and are available by calling (773) 907-2006 or emailing info@gaygameschicago.org. Proceeds from the cruise will benefit the Gay Games VII Sports and Cultural Festival, 15-22 July 2006 in Chicago.

Special guest on the cruise will be pioneering Gay Games organizers, including Sara Waddell Lewinstein, partner of the late Gay Games co-founder Dr. Tom Waddell, and Jessica Waddell Lewinstein, Sara and Tom's daughter. Sara was Vice-President of San Francisco Arts and Athletics, the Gay Games founding organization, and served on the Board of Directors for Gay Games I and II, both in San Francisco. She was also chair of women's outreach for Gay Games I and II. In the first two Gay Games she participated in both bowling and softball, receiving two gold medals. Her women's softball team has competed in all previous 6 Gay Games and, uniquely, has won the gold medal each time.

Sara helped organize the international Federation of Gay Games in 1989, the body that now governs the Gay Games. She served on the Federation's Board of Directors until 2002 when she became an Honorary Life Member.

Speaking freely at the time about the unconventional nature of their relationship, Sara and Tom married and had Jessica, a daughter whom Sara refers to as their "miracle from the Games." Born in 1983, Jessica will receive her undergraduate degree from the University of California/Santa Cruz in December 2005. She has been a fundraising supervisor at the campus for the last 2 years, and with her small group has raised over $1.7 million for UCSC. To honor Gay Games founder Dr. Tom Waddell as well as former Chicago Games, Inc., Board member Charles Clifton, both of whom died of AIDS-related complications, a portion of the proceeds will be set aside for the Test Positive Aware Network's Charles Clifton Memorial Scholarship. This scholarship fund will help bring HIV positive athletes to Chicago for Gay Games VII.

Gay Games VII Sports and Cultural Festival will take place 15-22 July 2006. Over 12,000 athletes from more than 100 countries will compete in 30 sports ranging from softball to ******port, swimming to tennis. The weeklong event will include band, cheerleading and color guard performances, chorus, an ancillary arts festival, and a series of community-organized social events and parties. The opening ceremony is scheduled for 15 July at Soldier Field, the lakefront home stadium of American-style football's Chicago Bears. Closing ceremony will be 22 July at Wrigley Field, the home of Major League Baseball's Chicago Cubs, located in the heart of Chicago's largest LGBT neighborhood.

For the first time, the Gay Games in Chicago will receive widespread television coverage on the Q Television Network.

Registration for Gay Games VII is now open at www.GayGamesChicago.org


© 2005 GayWired.com, All Rights Reserved

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BET is owned by Viacom (NYSE: VIA), HSN is owned byIAC/InterActiveCorp (Nasdaq: IACID), I do not know anything about Oxygen, but if I see anything I'll pass it along. The point is, all these are usually owned by large corporations that all trade well over $1.

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That's why I think Pax is a good example. Like the Q, it's not owned by a parent company.

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BET is owned by Viacom (NYSE: VIA), HSN is owned byIAC/InterActiveCorp (Nasdaq: IACID), I do not know anything about Oxygen, but if I see anything I'll pass it along. The point is, all these are usually owned by large corporations that all trade well over $1.


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4art, check out the PAX 52-Week High: (08/24/04)
2.34. If QBID hit that do you know how rich everyone would be? LOL


...anyway, back to reality

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quote:
Originally posted by polo1110:
4art, check out the PAX 52-Week High: (08/24/04)
2.34. If QBID hit that do you know how rich everyone would be? LOL


...anyway, back to reality

I could buy my own island! LOL!!!


L2's anyone????????

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Oh, man! Can you imagine the unbridled joy? LOL

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Originally posted by polo1110:
4art, check out the PAX 52-Week High: (08/24/04)
2.34. If QBID hit that do you know how rich everyone would be? LOL


...anyway, back to reality


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the report stated facts, most investors will come up with the conclusion this is a poor investment, if not thier just in denial. QBID is one of the worst investments at this moment in penny stocks IMO.

IMO, anyone who thinks a stock is the worst investment of any kind and still spends time on that stock's thread needs a life--unless they are just in denial about something....................??????????

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Or they're actually bashing it down to get more shares. [Cool]

quote:
Originally posted by suzainiee:
IMO, anyone who thinks a stock is the worst investment of any kind and still spends time on that stock's thread needs a life--unless they are just in denial about something....................??????????


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now think about this. If the audit comes out and we get onto another exchange.. (still with me?) I am going to assume we will be at around 4-5 billion float. Things go good and we build up as lets say the number three gay channel in the world. How much do you think we would be worth in 3 years?

I don't know about you all, but I am not going to make a million in three years.. I think I will be holding my shares.

My thinking is. If we get the audit and onto another exchange the skys the limit. Why sell at a dollar when in a few years after the dollar we are at $3.

I am holding long and strong.

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Heck , at a dollar i am so far gone, i couldn't be seen by the Hubble......

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I have had an order in for 250k all morning at .0013 and no fill..... anyone else get a fill at 13 yet?

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Shhhhhh, 4Art.

Remember, we are suppose to be in denial and can't put 2 and 2 together. [Wink]

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Oh yeah. Right, sorry. LOL [Cool]

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Shhhhhh, 4Art.

Remember, we are suppose to be in denial and can't put 2 and 2 together. [Wink]


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