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I believe the Commission has 21 days to rule on the matter after the 20th rebuttal by CMKX. So there is still time for more theories and I am sure that some of these cult members will say that since they didn't stop trading on the 20th that there is some sort of conspiracy and that CMKX wasn't really revoked. But I think some realize the truth. But 3 1/2 weeks to go then revoked. Of course CMKX can appeal to federal court but that doesn't stop revocation and suspension of trading. Anyone can appeal to federal court even those on death roll. It doesn't mean they get out of jail though. Judge Murray made it clear that after the Commission ruled then revocation was final.
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gee you guys sure do seem to have a lot of info on the compnay considering you are so against it!why are you even wastibg your time on this board if the stock is so worthless? key question!
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and no Marty... that last one was fine, just don't do whole pages again or I'll have to send you a D'DOS attack .... S5
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and no Marty... that last one was fine, just don't do whole pages again or I'll have to send you a D'DOS attack .... S5
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quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Waiting for fresh RED meat, thanks USF.
LOL
That clown is stating CMKX is entering gas and oil business. Sure they are! Just ask UC, Melvin, Andy and any cult member.
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quote:Originally posted by USFBRIAN: gee you guys sure do seem to have a lot of info on the compnay considering you are so against it!why are you even wastibg your time on this board if the stock is so worthless? key question!
We already answered that, keep up.
And it isn't what you say. Your theory on why people post on the CMKX board and your theories on CMKX making it are both wrong.
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Paul Shatzko M.D., the company founder and chairman, is also closely involved in the mining industry. He served as corporate secretary and director for Valpar Resources Inc., and was president of Trans-Asian Resources Inc. and a director of Excellon Resources Inc.,Gee Ten Ventures Inc., Quattro Resources Ltd.,and Camphor Ventures Inc.
List of Directors as at February 28, 1998: Raj I. Chowdhry Director & President Hari B. Varshney Director Paul Shatzko Director Praveen K. Varshney Director
Camphor's joint venture with De Beers Canada Exploration Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of De Beers Consolidated Mines and Mountain Province Diamond Inc. has already discovered Siix diamondiferous deposits (three large and three small ones).
So there appears to be a connection between Urban as a Private placement investor / shareholder and Shatzko As the director…both are connected to debeers through Camphor Ventures.
Gee-Ten Ventures Inc. is a Canadian public company that is traded both on the Canadian TSX Venture Stock Exchange and the OTC Bulletin Board. Its mission is to develop both gold and diamond mining projects at the international level and to put the necessary factors into play to finance and bring economically promising projects to terms. The Company currently concentrates most of its efforts on major diamond projects in Africa. The experience and expertise of Gee-Ten Ventures Inc.'s management strengthen the Company's potential for success.
Gee-Ten Ventures Inc.'s main mission is currently to develop gold and diamond projects in Africa, and more particularly in Angola. The main player in achieving this objective is Mr. Paul Bourque, who has extensive experience in the mining sector in Africa. For more than three years, Mr. Bourque and Mr. Yaovi Bouka,a Gee-Ten board member have worked together with the leaders of Angola in order to reach agreements to develop gold and diamond projects.
During his many trips to Angola, Mr. Bourque has established very close ties with, among others, the Minister of Geology and Mines in Angola, His Excellency Manuel Antonio Africano, the Deputy Minister of Mines responsible for gold mine, Dr. Mankenda Ambroise as well as with the Deputy Minister of Mines responsible for diamond mines, Dr. Samuel Armando Tito. Mr. Bourque has also established a very good relationship with the main managers of the national diamond company of Angola, Endiama. Among these are relationships with the President and Chief Executive officer of Endiama E.P., Mr. Manuel Arnaldo de Sousa Calado, as well as with another very important player at Endiama, Dr. Manuel Watangua, who is the Executive Officer and Administrator of Geology and Production.
And here is a thread I started earlier on Jarvis and Shotzko: Interview
Dr. Paul Shatzko graduated from the University of British Columbia in medicine in 1960. This reputed radiologist practiced until 1995 in Vancouver, British Columbia. Since the beginning of his career as a radiologist, Dr. Shatzko has been interested in the mining and stock market sectors, having a geologist friend who introduced him to the field of gold and diamonds. Since 1986, he has led or held a seat on public mining companies and has participated extensively in the financing of public companies.
Mr. Jesus R. Martinez, M.Sc., P.Eng., a long-time partner of Dr. Shatzko, is a Professional Mining Engineer who obtained his Master's degree in Mining Engineering from McGill University of Montreal. Mr. Martinez has more than 30 years of experience in mining, having worked with Sherrit Golden Mines Ltd., Cominco Ltd., Suncor Inc. and Syncrude Ltd. among others, and has more than 10 years of experience as a consultant and project manager with H.A. Simons Ltd. in Vancouver.
Entourage Mining Ltd has entered into an option agreement with United Carina Resources Corp.Entourage Mining can earn a Twenty percent (20%) in claim blocks consisting of 14,529 hectares (35,800 acres) of prospective uranium properties located in the Hatchet Lake area of the eastern Athabaska Basin in north-central Saskatchewan.
The properties are contiguous and have been subject to previous exploration for uranium; one surface showing yielded assays ranging from 0.3 per cent U3O8 to 1.4 per cent U3O8.
The Athabaska Basin of northern Saskatchewan contains the most significant high grade, low cost uranium deposits in the world. The deposits defined to date collectively contain, or have produced, almost 1.5 billion pounds U3O8.
Dr. Shatzko is a retired radiologist and self employed businessman; he is the founder and former Chairman of Mountain Province Diamonds (MPV.T), a Toronto Stock Exchange listed mining company; as well, he is a director of several public companies and a director of Entourage Mining Ltd. since July 31, 2004.
Management have diamond and mining experience Jan W. Vandersande, Ph.D, president, was a professor at Cornell University and the University of the Witwatersrand in South Africa, where he performed research relating to diamonds.
Dr. Vandersande also worked closely with De Beers Diamond Research Laboratory. He was also a financial and scientific consultant and mining analyst before joining MPV.
Paul Shatzko, M.D., chairman, was president of the company until May 1996. Dr. Shatzko has been involved in the mining industry since 1987, and has been a director of several companies.
Jesus R. Martinez, director, is a mining engineer and has been a senior officer and director of several mineral exploration companies.
Carl G. Verley, director, is a professional geologist who has worked with several companies as a geological consultant and director.
David Whittle, director, is a Chartered Accountant, and is the President of Glenmore Highlands Inc. and a director of a number of other public companies.
Harry Dobson, director, is also a director of Glenmore Highlands Inc.
Mountain Province and De Beers executives review exploration progress at the Kennady Lake camp. From left to right: Andrew Williams, MonoprosŐ Project Manager; Dr. Roger Clement, President & CEO, Monopros Ltd.; Dr. Jan Vandersande; Nick Geer; Dr. Paul Shatzko; and George Burne, Managing Director, De Beers Canada Corporation.
Dr. Shatzko is the former President and Chairman of Mountain Province Diamonds, one of Canada’s most respected and successful diamond exploration companies. In addition to his substantial contributions in the original formation of the Mountain Province, Dr. Shatzko played a key role in that Company’s major diamond discovery in the N.W.T. and its subsequent joint venture with DeBeers Canada Exploration
Titan Trading provides world-class trading tools to money managers, trading firms and traders. Our mission is to provide you with trading tools and services that will Help you make more money trading.
Titan Shareholders Elect Directors, Approve Share Transfer
At its Annual General Meeting held April 28, 2003, shareholders elected Dr. Ken Powell, Michael Gossland,Dr. Paul Shatzko and William Yang as directors of the Company. Dr. Ken Powell continues as President.
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thats not even straws. there isn't even a ghost connection. UC owned shares in a company 11 yrs ago the guy was connected too. UC's connection to big bubba is stronger & UC isn't in jail yet.
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This is what koolaid and pumpers get you. Have you had your koolaid today?
BruISer Dr. Of Diamonds Joined: Sept 2004 Posts: 102 Re: .0003 i believe for monday « Reply #12 on Today at 4:47am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sorrry if your not in for CIM but us over year people knew about the divy coming and i bought more. I put my hole college money on it
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: This is what koolaid and pumpers get you. Have you had your koolaid today?
BruISer Dr. Of Diamonds Joined: Sept 2004 Posts: 102 Re: .0003 i believe for monday « Reply #12 on Today at 4:47am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sorrry if your not in for CIM but us over year people knew about the divy coming and i bought more. I put my hole college money on it
Should have used the money for college: Should be "whole" not "hole", but in any case you have acheived your goal you are in the "hole".
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maybe thats what he meant Doc....it was money he set aside to put himself in a hole with. i'm not the best at spelling, typing & punctuation as i prove every day in here but looking at that post i think college would have been a waste of time anyway...lol
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sorrry if your not in for CIM but us over year people knew about the divy coming and i bought more. I put my hole college money on it
I didnt know you could get into college if you couldn't pass 7th grade English... sorrry? you're? over year people? hole?
Sheesh !!!!
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legal, I feel sorry for you. Anybody that deluded that hasn't sought help deserves all the pity the rest of us can give. I just hope you're not one of those that blows his brains out when this thing goes south permanently.
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You are, to our knowledge, the directors of CMKM Diamonds, Inc, ("CMKM"), a company whose common stock is registered under the Securities Exchange Act of I934 (the "1934 Act") and is trading on the over-the-counter market (quoted on the pink sheets). This firm was appointed as auditors for CMKM on July 11, 2005 (announced in a Form 8-K filed by CMKM on July 15. 2005).
We received a letter from your counsel, Donald J. Stoecklein, Esq. of Stoecklein Law Group, dated July 28, 2005. That letter contains a number of misstatements and misunderstandings. It is our intention to resolve those matters in this letter and to provide you notification as required by Section 10A of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "1934 Act").
First, and among the most important of all, is his statement that CMKM is not an "issuer” as defined by Sarbanes-Oxley and therefore is not subject to the provisions of that act or the SEC reporting requirements following the initial Form 15 filing on July 22, 2003. On February 17, 2005, CMKM filed an amendment to that Form 15 which stated very clearly:
This Amendment No, 1 to Form 15 is being filed to amend the Form 15 initially filed on July 22, 2003 (the "Original Filing"), with the Securities and Exchange Commission In order to revoke the Original Filing. As of the date of the Original Filing Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. had approximately 698 stockholders of record, thereby making the use of Form 15 inapplicable.
The Original Filing is hereby superseded and revoked with respect to the information set forth in this Amendment No. 1. Casavant Mining Kimberlite International, Inc. will be required to submit filings under Section 12g of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended.
With the original Form 15 inapplicable, it is clear that CMKM was and remained an issuer for the purposes of Sarbanes-Oxley and the filing requirements of the 1934 Act notwithstanding the wrongful filing in 2003 of the Form 15. If Mr. Stoecklein will provide to us an unqualified legal opinion that CMKM was not an "issuer” as defined by Sarbanes-Oxley and was not subject to the reporting requirements of the 1934 Act after July 22, 2003, we will be pleased to review his opinion letter and consider it.
Secondly, we disagree with his understanding of our letter of July 27, 2005 and our engagement letter. We understand the word "termination" and we will account for the funds on deposit once our statutorily required services are completed as stated in our earlier response. Mr. Stoecklein's efforts to imply to the contrary are disingenuous.
As auditors, we are subject to a number of rules and regulations, including Section 10A of the 1934 Act. Under Section 10A(a)(1), in conducting our audit of CMKM, we are obligated to implement "procedures designed to provide reasonable assurance of detecting illegal acts that would have a direct and material effect on the determination of financial statements amounts." Should we detect or otherwise become aware of information indicating that an illegal act has or may have occurred (whether or not perceived to have a material effect on the financial statements of the issuer), we have an obligation to report the information to management and, if management does not take what we consider to be appropriate remedial action, we have an obligation to report the act to the audit committee. See Section 10A(b)(1) and (2) of the 1934 Act and the rules thereunder.
In performing our audit procedures, we have become aware of information relating to possible illegal acts, including (without limitation) the following:
We have received information relating to the possible improper personal use of corporate assets. Information we have uncovered indicates that Mr. Casavant may have caused CMKM to advance approximately $4 Million to the benefit of CMKXtreme, Inc. in the name of "promotion and advertising”. Based on the information provided to us, it caused us to question whether the use of the funds truly advanced the best interest of CMKM. Additionally, it appears that Mr. Casavant owns CMKXtreme, and that this may have been a related party transaction that may not have been presented to or approved by the Board of Directors of CMKM. We fully understand marketing issues raised by Mr. Stoecklein in his letter, but we are unaware how any such transactions benefited CMKM.
We have received information that indicates that CMKM may have made loans to its officers and directors in violation of the requirements of Section 402 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 (codified at §13(k) of the 1934 Act). Our information indicates that Mr. Casavant and others related to CMKM may have advanced themselves undetermined amount of money without adequate explanation or documentation. Mr. Stoecklein makes the argument that, because of the Form 15 that was improperly filed, CMKM was not subject to the requirements of the Sarbanes-Oxley act at the time in question.
It is our understanding that Form 15 was not available to CMKM at the time and therefore was ineffective to relieve CMKM of any obligations. As noted above, we are willing to review an unqualified opinion letter from Mr. Stoecklein on that point.
The CMKM books and records are, at this point and time, unauditable because they are incomplete, and the records that exist have been improperly maintained. The volume of transactions via wire transfer and cashiers checks render the banking records inadequate for obtaining competent evidential matter necessary to render an audit opinion letter, in Mr. Stoecklein's letter, he admits that CMKM was able to provide us less than 25% of the information that we requested at the commencement of the audit "despite everyone's best efforts." The unavailability of corporate records appears to be a violation of the 1934 Act,
including Section 13(a)(2) of the 1934 Act (added in 1977). Mr. Stoecklein raises the disingenuous argument that if the records are unauditable, how can we be aware of any illegal acts. First of all, having records that are not auditable is itself an illegal act under Section 13(a)(2) and other provisions of the 1934 Act. Secondly, the other information set forth herein was obtained from the records that were available.
In addition to completing what appear to be related party transactions without proper authority to do so, it appears that CMKM management may also have failed to disclose related-party transactions as required under the 1934 Act. Among the possible related party transactions which we believe may have been inadequately disclosed are:
Transactions with US Canadian Minerals, Inc.;
The personal use of corporate assets discussed above;
The loans to the officers and directors discussed above; and
Significant monetary and stock transactions with individuals and entities who appear to be CMKM shareholders and/or prior officers and directors of the Company.
Mr. Stoecklein makes the argument that there was no need to disclose these related party transactions because (as a result of filing a Form 15 improperly in July 2003) CMKM was not subject to the reporting requirements of the 1934 Act and, therefore, not obligated to disclose related party transactions, While this is an interesting argument, that is not our understanding of the situation. Once again, however, we will review an unqualified legal opinion from Mr. Stoecklein to that effect.
We have notified management, including the president and chief executive officer, of our concerns, and we met with CMKM's counsel as management's representative on July 20, 2005 to discuss these matters. We received no information to alleviate our concerns, and in fact obtained further information that enhanced our concerns. In his letter, Mr. Stoecklein makes note of the fact that we were invited to a subsequent meeting at CMKM's offices and chose not to appear. That is correct, but we also asked CMKM to provide us a written response to our concerns. We believed that a written response was appropriate in the circumstances and would have been significantly more
valuable than an oral response at a meeting. We believe that Mr. Stoecklein's letter constitutes a written response, and this letter is our response to Mr. Stoecklein's letter.
In accordance with the requirements of Section 10A(b)(A) of the 1934 Act, we hereby advise you that the actions we have identified (including those set forth above) may have a material adverse impact on CMKM's financial statements for at least the following reasons, although we are not able to quantify the amounts at the present time:
The related party transactions may or may not be recoverable assets on CMKM's balance sheet and, to the extent they are not recoverable, the reserve for recoverability will impact CMKM's statement of operations and other financial statements;
The apparent loans to officers and directors may or may not be recoverable assets on CMKM's balance sheet and, to the extent they are not recoverable, the reserve for recoverability will impact CMKM's statement of operations and other financial statements;
We do not have sufficient information to determine whether the apparent improper use of corporate assets should be classified as an expense or an asset;
The apparent violations of the securities laws described above may result in SEC enforcement action against CMKM which could result in a significant expenditure of corporate assets in defense, and may result in fines, penalties, and damages;
The apparent violations may result in civil litigation or criminal enforcement, which may also result in fines, penalties, and damages.
We are unable to quantify the amounts involved because we have not been provided sufficient information to do so, and because CMKM's books and records are, in their current state, inadequate and unauditable.
You should consider this letter to be a report under Section 10A(b)(2) of the 1934 Act.
Your receipt of this letter requires that you consider the requirements of Section 10A(b)(3) of the 1934 Act. For your convenience, Section 10A(b)(3) provides as follows:
Notice to commission; response to failure to notify, - An issuer whose board of directors receives a report under paragraph (2) shall inform the Commission by notice not later than 1 business day after the receipt of such report and shall furnish the registered public accounting firm making such report with a copy of the notice furnished to the Commission."
Section 10A(b)(3) (b) further states that "If the registered public accounting firm falls to receive a copy of the notice before the expiration of the required 1-business day period, the registered public accounting firm shall;
Resign from the engagement; or
Furnish to the Commission a copy of its report (or the documentation of any oral report given) not later than one business day following such failure to receive notice."
We would also point out the requirements of Form 8-K - that CMKM is obligated to file, within four business days of our dismissal, a Form 8-K responding to the Information in item 304 of Regulation SB. We were dismissed on Friday, July 22. The Form 8-K was due to be filed with the SEC not later than 5:00 pm Washington time today - and it has not been filed. Consequently CMKM is delinquent in its reporting obligations and, therefore, appears to have committed further acts in violation of the 1934 Act.
Should CMKM determine to file a Form 8-K, this letter should be attached thereto unless CMKM can provide an acceptable explanation to any of the issues raised and the requested legal opinion on the effect of an improperly filed Form 15. In your response to item 304 of Regulation SB, we point out:
Item 304(a)(1)(iv): We believe that there are disagreements of the sort that need to be mentioned in response to this item, as set forth in the foregoing.
We also point out to you that' Section 10A(b)(3) has a one business day requirement for notification to the Commission. Please let us know if you have any questions regarding the foregoing.
Sincerely,
/s/ Beckstead and Watts, LLP
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I was re-reading the above and I thought of some good questions. But one really stuck out. Stoecklien didn't deny any of the charges of misuse of money such as the loans to officers of the company and misuse of shares being issued. He just states that since they filed a form 15 they were under no obligation of the 1934 Act.
Also if you notice about CMKXtreme. It wasn't whether or not the money given to them was about advertising but whether it was advertising CMKM. The company not the stock. It is obvious that UC was advertising selling the stock and not advertising the promotion of the company or the car would have CMKM on it not Got CMKX. And if like some of the cult would like to think that this is a advertising of CMKXtreme then it is still an illegal act for CMKM to give them money.
I just don't know how the cult can dismiss this letter. It says volumes. Sounds like a very professional company that will not risk its audit status for anybody. Straight to the point and only the truth.
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3 days till this life saving reply by stocklien. any bets on it being the same things stated before or in short "we disagree so it has to be wrong even if its right."
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Yeah, I thought of a question too. What "board of directors"? That's UC, all by himself, right? Mahoo was added as an afterthought, but while all this BS was happening, the only board member was UC.
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Today I would like to see 300 billion shares trade, and burn out all of Wall Street's computers.
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING
Yeah, let's throw some laughing gas in your atmosphere and see how you deal with that.
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HA HA HA I love laughing gas. You could use a little ed. All that negativity and nastiness will eat ya up.
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The laughing gas was used all up this weekend when the cult was talking about CMKX opening today at .0003 and running. 703 billion shares running, I don't need laughing gas to laugh at that, lol.
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What's the difference if it closes at .0003 or .0001? It's dead either way. A million millionaires? More like a million bankruptcies....LOL.
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Originally posted by legaleagle: ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING
that 5 pounder i just left in the toilet also conditioned the atmosphere & it smells better then cmkx. is closing at .0001 part of your big time run legal??? tomorrow or the next day ask will be .0001 too.
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I see you're still talkin' chit Bill... please don't open the window, you might cause some acid rain or something. 5 pounds?
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WTF is that? Some kind of record anal baby you gave birth to?
quote:Originally posted by bill1352: Originally posted by legaleagle: ATMOSPHERE CONDITIONING
that 5 pounder i just left in the toilet also conditioned the atmosphere & it smells better then cmkx. is closing at .0001 part of your big time run legal??? tomorrow or the next day ask will be .0001 too.
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quote:Originally posted by legaleagle: HA HA HA I love laughing gas. You could use a little ed. All that negativity and nastiness will eat ya up.
You guys have been sniffing gas and you can be sure that it's not Nitrous Oxide but more like Methane Gas supplied by Urban
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