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Accountant's guide to the SEC's new insider trading regulations. (Accountant's Liability)
by Rosen, Robert C.


Abstract- The SEC's powers in curtailing insider trading and other trading-related violations have been significantly broadened with the passage of three Federal statutes. The Insider Trading Sanctions Act of 1984 (ITSA) gave the SEC the authority to ask the courts to impose penalties on illegal traders and on those who pass on private information to third parties. The Insider Trading and Securities Fraud Enforcement Act of 1988 expanded the coverage of the ITSA to include the punishment of employers who fail to fulfill their obligation as 'controlling persons' to prevent their employees from becoming involved in insider trading. Finally, the Securities Enforcement Remedies and Penny Stock Reform Act of 1990 empowered the SEC to directly impose civil penalties on securities law violators. Accountants should make every effort to understand these insider regulations. Several questions that accountants should ask themselves before buying or selling securities are suggested.

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Penny Stock Reform Act reinforced laws to include pennys in several areas including insider trading.

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Agreed. was thinking the same thing Frank could be issued prefered A and rene B while all other employees C and restricted D. Only problem with institution getting prefered we may not like that because prefered get paid first in case of a bankruptcy.

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Originally posted by King Crimson:
ric...if they wanted to knock down the o/s, they could have different classes like preferred a, b, etc, with or without voting rights, or even warrants for like those restricted 6b

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issue institutional convertible (to common) warrants??
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Now that sounds good. Guess thats what you said before, my bad. lol

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issue institutional convertible (to common) warrants??


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ric...i agree with that but frank & rene did not seem to be holding anything back. thus my point that the 9.5 included his shares. it also seem to remember someone asking the total o/s & he said 9.5 plus 6 billion and that he didn't think they would need to issue any more it was after that when someone asked what % he owned. what it sounded like to me was that his shares he considered as part of the float. yes insider shares are concidered restricted but unless restricted for a period of time can be sold very easily just as my post & your post said by filing papers saying so
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...or they could always put whatever limits or restrictions they wanted right on a seperate class of preferred...after all, the institution wants to be insured (or ensured) against bankruptcy in order to do the deal....


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...good talking about this with someone following what i'm saying....
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Bill,

Yea and if he made things more clear it would help. But the fact he told us what the Float was and not O/S is a clear indicator. No one using only tells float without at least stating O/S first. In of its self was pretty secret. It makes you think he was scared to tell us what it was. But still hold to sec guidlines, that say his shares are insider share so by that they are restricted. I can't find any form 144 or 10-K filings to state otherwise. And also he wouldn't be selling his shares anyway unless he thought the company was failing and I don't believe that.

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I just think that if everything was restructured myself this could look a lot better. I think we can come up with some great ideas and have. Maybe we should e-mail this conversation to Frank, lol. Going Trick and treating, They announced on radio they holding it tonight to not interfer with the churches. 4 year old getting exciting gotta go.

Happy Halloween everyone.

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...good talking about this with someone following what i'm saying....


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Thanks Ric and King for explaining the A/S, O/S, and float so well. I was starting to get confused with all the different numbers being thrown out there. What I don't understand was why there was even a buyback. Frank said early in the year that he was going to do a buyback then he turns around and issues more shares to get additional funding. Correct me if I'm wrong but he issued more out than he is buying back. (6 billion for funding, 1 billion buyback) So how does that help us out? I know the 6 billion is restricted but for how long? It sounds like the buyback was just a smoke screen.
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afi...we don't know how many shares of the 50b a/s were ever issued. buyback is 1b, 60% complete. the less shares off the open market (float), the better for the pps. we don't what restrictions are on those 6b shares, but presumably they could hit the market at some point in the future. hope this helps...

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Thanks Ric and King for explaining the A/S, O/S, and float so well. I was starting to get confused with all the different numbers being thrown out there. What I don't understand was why there was even a buyback. Frank said early in the year that he was going to do a buyback then he turns around and issues more shares to get additional funding. Correct me if I'm wrong but he issued more out than he is buying back. (6 billion for funding, 1 billion buyback) So how does that help us out? I know the 6 billion is restricted but for how long? It sounds like the buyback was just a smoke screen.


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ok, to recap...far as we know:

a/s--50b

institutional restricted--6b

float--9.5b

buyback--1b (2% of 50b a/s)
--approx. 600m (60%) complete
--approx. 400m (40%) yet to buy

float when buyback complete--9.1b
...unless they meant 1b off of the 9.5b, then--8.5b
...or they meant 9.5b float after completed

frank owns 53% of o/s

other insider ownership--unknown

o/s--unknown

...however some estimates would put the number somewhere between 25b and 35b of the 50b a/s

feel free to correct this if it's wrong....


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man alive there is more speculation in here now then there ever was . The CC didn't clear anything up it just added 256 shades of Grey to the O/S count.

you can do all the calculations you want. you are not going to come up with the right numbers.

the way it is now the pumpers can calculate it down and the bashers can calculate it up.

look at the way our capitalist comes up with 71 billion o/s he is taking the new o/s count and adding it to the old outstanding count. they didn't increase the O/S by 50 billion. they expanded to 50 billion.

this is going to cause more confusion and more dips.

I'm not bashing, I'm just calling it the way i see it.

I want this thing to run but it is not going to for a while yet.

we may not see much more then a penny until they go full reporting status with the info that they keep watering down to sound good.

JMHO

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Hey they're all back. Now I might have that chance to see 20's again, yeay!!
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I will accumulate Big.
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whos all back?
quote:
Originally posted by 1BigTip:
Hey they're all back. Now I might have that chance to see 20's again, yeay!!


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From RB; forgot to paste the name:

Olsen picked up the phone which surprised me...usually Troy answers the phone. But here is what he told me...

There is 9.5 Billion shares in the float.

PLUS

6 Billion held by Institutions as security against agreements. QBID has five years to buyback those shares if they choose to do so.

The total OS is 15.5 Billion shares of which Frank Olsen owns 53% of or 8,215,000,000. That leaves 7,285,000,000 in the float. After the buyback is complete the float will be reduced to 6,285,000,000.
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Hmmm... Where do we put the 6B restricted
institutional portion now?

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BTW
The instutional buyin rate is now: 5%
http://thomson.finance.lycos.com/lycos/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?ticker=QBID


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Can't get my shares.
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Besides, where do we put the Compensation shares (Employees) part...
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posted October 30, 2004 18:41
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From RB; forgot to paste the name:
Olsen picked up the phone which surprised me...usually Troy answers the phone. But here is what he told me...

There is 9.5 Billion shares in the float.

PLUS

6 Billion held by Institutions as security against agreements. QBID has five years to buyback those shares if they choose to do so.

The total OS is 15.5 Billion shares of which Frank Olsen owns 53% of or 8,215,000,000. That leaves 7,285,000,000 in the float. After the buyback is complete the float will be reduced to 6,285,000,000.

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i'm wondering did frank give the amount he owned or is that a math problem number. my point is that frank talked about a board deciding the buy back, could it be the owners of the 6 billion are part of the board? thus have voting rights. my point is that from recent prs the ones U4 loves to bring up the 6 billion is recent thus for frank to have 53% including these shares he had to do some big time buying not long ago. my guess is he has 53% of the 9.5. also as the 9.5 was out there before the buy back i'd also guess that the number will be just over 8.5 after comlpeted. we should have hired someone to take dictation of the cc..lol


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We got both important hurdles!

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http://www.horrorchannel.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&fi le=article&sid=222&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Posted by: islandboyz
In reply to: squacker who wrote msg# 33476
Date:10/30/2004 9:47:36 PM
Post # of 33478

Good link squacker I suggest everyone read it...

"It has been over 18 months since our promise of an all-horror channel was first shared with you, our fans. Since the very first day that HorrorChannel.com went online, we indicated a launch in October of 2004, and until very recently, that was indeed the case.

Yet, while nearing our launch, some enticing developments enabled us to improve upon our launch strategy -- something which we evaluated very thoroughly because we knew it would require a slightly longer incubation period. In the end we decided that an opportunity to increase our distribution on cable and satellite services was better than rushing to a limited, early release.

Invariably, when a new channel comes down the pike, it must cross two important hurdles:

1) proof of concept to cable operators

-and-

2) proof of its ability to deliver a vibrant programming service that satisfies a critical audience demand.

The first condition challenges us to demonstrate to the cable and satellite operators that you, the fans, will be avid viewers of the channel, thus making it necessary for them to carry us. And to date you’ve all done a fantastic job of “Screaming for The Horror Channel” to your providers.

The second condition begs the question: “Do we, the programmers, understand our audience?”, or “Can WE pass YOUR litmus test?” Part of this means we need to understand your programming wants, and to this end, we have been in the trenches with you relentlessly collecting feedback so that we can ensure your satisfaction by delivering your birthright: the scariest channel on television.

Right now we are well on our way to being a seven-day a week, twenty-four-hour a day horror network, and we will be on the air because you are helping us stay focused, vibrant, and relevant.

With respect to our distribution, here’s what we have cooking: We have a carriage opportunity assuring us of a national footprint. We’ve just added the possibility of penetrating many millions of additional homes because of this new opportunity. This means our launch requires additional preparation on the back end to meet these expanded offerings. In order to accomplish this, some sacrifices had to be made. A virgin here, a launch date there . . . You get the idea.

In the end it’s going to be the best possible thing for both The Horror Channel and our dedicated fans, and that’s the most important thing in the world to us. Know this though: Our launch is imminent.

Your next question is obvious:

“So who are the providers that picked you up?” Until everything is signed, sealed, and delivered and we have a clear picture of what the particulars are, we need to hold these cards close for a little while longer.

We are literally frothing at the mouth to start making our official announcements and get on the air, and that will happen soon! We will post our programming schedule and list of carriers so you will know exactly where to find us and what you will be seeing. Again, at this point it’s just a matter of working out the small details. Rest assured we will be coming for you -- and to you -- very soon.

As promised, we will be available on both formats: cable and satellite.
So, continue to call your providers and tell them The Horror Channel is about to launch. Tell them that you want it!!! Keep calling them. We’re going to be out there delivering the gory goodness; there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be able to watch us. Make your voice heard now, and the screaming will start later!

More information will come soon. Thank you for your continued support and patience.

--Steve "Uncle Creepy" Barton

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Whiz,

You know that I have questioned the $1 a share everyone is hoping for. I said that I couldn't see how we could get past the O/S.

I think the discussion today made sense for getting us there.

Move shares:

Franks Shares to prefered A stocks with voting rights that we give him a majority vote, which as I see he wants. example 20 million QBID A with 500/1 voting rights.

Rene gets prefered B shares say 10 million QBID B with say 50/1 voting rights.

Other officers Prefered C shares with 1 for 1 voting rights.

Institution shares to either prefered D with no voting rights or convertible warrants.

Continue buybacks on float, which now becomes O/S because the restricted shares are moved out of common. 15 million dollar will buy us 5 Billion shares right now leaving us around 4 billion O/S using my model.

Now we can work on that dollar and getting off pinks.

Maybe a dream but thats what you invest in pennys for.

Ric

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ric...not trying to argue and i do agree the more the o/s is reduced the better off we are. but if you read the transcript that 1bigtip was so kind to provide frank said 9.5 on the books and 6 billion used for loans for the gay games. he then said 9.5 in the float which i'd bet was a misuse of terms. he said he doesn't expect the 6 billion to hit the market. because the 9.5 came out a while before the games or the buy back news & came out from reliable sources i'd say this is the o/s as long as frank does keep the 6 billion from the market. also the 53% was around long before the games thus it would add up that its 53% of the 9.5. this 9.5 also may not include the buy back as it has not changed from before the buy back. so if they do buy back 1 billion this number may become 8.5 billion. it would be nice if all this was spelled out in no uncertain terms but looking at everything said this does seem correct. if it is then the share structure would be:

15.5 o/s
6 billion restricted
Frank owns: 5,035,000,000
open market: 4,465,000,000
buy back = 1,000,000,000
left on open market = 3,465,000,000
other insider owned shares = ?

if frank does as you suggest which i too agree with changing all insider shares to a smaller number prefered shares would bring the o/s down to a very good number for us small investers. after the buy back is complete it would be nice if all numbers were explained in the pr.

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Hello everyone and Happy Halloween. I hav'nt posted for awhile but have been reading daily. Being somewhat in-experienced in "Pink sheets" rules and regulations, and the fact that during the conference call, Frank did say that QBID"s doors were open to possible mergers, what would happen to me being an individual investor in QBID, if someone should Buy QBID outright or at least a controlling interest in the company. Could my shares be reduced to being worthless if the "owner"(s) decided to change directions? Would I have to sell my shares for whatever the going rate was? Would I be able to hold my shares through the transaction? The reason I ask this is because I have lost in several companies within the past few years such as K-Mart, World Com and Enron. Also, did Frank say if he was going to "retire" any of the shares he is buying back or can he do that. I hope that makes sense and thank you in advance for any input.
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that is a good point. what is Frank going to do with the shares he buys back? Dump them next month again at a profit? Retire them? hold them? he never did express his intentions of these shares.

there was talk of Frank retiring 25% of his shares at one point but i don't believe that it was in the form of a pr. I believe it was brought to us through dmuse or one of our other most trust worthy posters from the other board.

They had the opportunity to clear all these grey areas up on the CC but they instead decided to give out scripted information that deliberately answers your questions with out answering them. I have to wonder if this is intentional to keep the price from moving up until they complete the buyback, while making it look like they are trying to satisfy our questions so they don't get charged with stock manipulation.

I want the price to move up but cant see it happening until Frank wants it to go up.

the only thing that will get this to move is to clear up all the speculation. and that can be done in one PR when ever Frank wants to let the price move up. He has something to gain by it going up and has the answers to make it happen. it will in time so we may as well accumulate as long as the shares are on sale.

works for me as i want to put in one more buy. i would like to get my million shares if i can.


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Wanderer. Nice to see you posting here again. I'll let someone else answer those questions but I can only say that those companies you lost in, went "bankrupt" or had major fraudlant problems. It's different from A merger/buyout.

Instead of going deep into it, do a search for "meaning of stock mergers" see what you can find.

HAPPY HALOWEEN EVERYONE! Lot's of sugar for me today.


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Still not what he said. You can pump all you want but doesn't make it true. We needed money to start. I said a long time ago that O/S was raised. This is a dead subject.

FRANK SAID 9.5 B Float

Until he changes that in PR which he hasn't and he said himself he read RB so he knows what being said about Float O/S. I wish it wasn't true either but Franks not stupid and knows the difference of Float and O/S. Plus when asked about A/S he said clear A/S is this, while O/S question wasn't answered clearly, why?

He said float and trying to spin it to O/S is only yourself on this board. Also your numbers don't work. You are saying the institutions own more shares then Frank even if restricted Frank isn't doing that.

Let me ask you this. How did Frank buy those movies this Summer? How did Frank buy rights on the satelite? How did Frank buy the production building? How did Frank hire the new staff? How did Frank pay for all the long trips to promote Q? How did Frank buy the Q Mobile? How did Frank Pay the bills over the last year with no revenue and no subscription fees and no advertising? I said it months ago that he would have to sell more share to get us up and running. Do you know how much money is needed to run a nation network? Its not hes fault that he needed to to get the company to where it is. We needed money and this is how we got it. You need to know how the penny market works. All, well most all pennies are having to dilute to raise capital. Oh I forgot, how did we raise capital to get rights to the Aquatic games in Florida, send a production crew and air it?

Ric


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ric...not trying to argue and i do agree the more the o/s is reduced the better off we are. but if you read the transcript that 1bigtip was so kind to provide frank said 9.5 on the books and 6 billion used for loans for the gay games. he then said 9.5 in the float which i'd bet was a misuse of terms. he said he doesn't expect the 6 billion to hit the market. because the 9.5 came out a while before the games or the buy back news & came out from reliable sources i'd say this is the o/s as long as frank does keep the 6 billion from the market. also the 53% was around long before the games thus it would add up that its 53% of the 9.5. this 9.5 also may not include the buy back as it has not changed from before the buy back. so if they do buy back 1 billion this number may become 8.5 billion. it would be nice if all this was spelled out in no uncertain terms but looking at everything said this does seem correct. if it is then the share structure would be:

15.5 o/s
6 billion restricted
Frank owns: 5,035,000,000
open market: 4,465,000,000
buy back = 1,000,000,000
left on open market = 3,465,000,000
other insider owned shares = ?

if frank does as you suggest which i too agree with changing all insider shares to a smaller number prefered shares would bring the o/s down to a very good number for us small investers. after the buy back is complete it would be nice if all numbers were explained in the pr.

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hard to believe it is halloween and no hockey this is going to be one strange winter.

we live for Hockey in Canada.

i dont get to go to the Corel center this year


quote:
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Wanderer. Nice to see you posting here again. I'll let someone else answer those questions but I can only say that those companies you lost in, went "bankrupt" or had major fraudlant problems. It's different from A merger/buyout.

Instead of going deep into it, do a search for "meaning of stock mergers" see what you can find.

HAPPY HALOWEEN EVERYONE! Lot's of sugar for me today.



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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1BigTip:
[B]We got both important hurdles!

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I've said it many times,"The really hard work was accomplished before a carrier would even consider working with us!"

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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quote:
Originally posted by Ric:
Whiz,

You know that I have questioned the $1 a share everyone is hoping for. I said that I couldn't see how we could get past the O/S.

I think the discussion today made sense for getting us there.

Move shares:

Franks Shares to prefered A stocks with voting rights that we give him a majority vote, which as I see he wants. example 20 million QBID A with 500/1 voting rights.

Rene gets prefered B shares say 10 million QBID B with say 50/1 voting rights.

Other officers Prefered C shares with 1 for 1 voting rights.

Institution shares to either prefered D with no voting rights or convertible warrants.

Continue buybacks on float, which now becomes O/S because the restricted shares are moved out of common. 15 million dollar will buy us 5 Billion shares right now leaving us around 4 billion O/S using my model.

Now we can work on that dollar and getting off pinks.

Maybe a dream but thats what you invest in pennys for.

Ric


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***Ric!!!**

I like your idea very much!

All joking aside you need to write Frank & present this because most investors would love this idea.

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Bill,

I want Q to succeed. Just don't want new people to be misinformed. I came to this board because of the pumping and bashing of other boards didn't help either way. And this exchange isn't helping Q's cause or this threads. So lets agree to disagree and drop any further conversation on it. I think a PR is needed to fix the problem.

Lets pump this in more productive ways that we know for fact. All we ever want is this to go up in pps to make us all money. Never fall in love with a stock just make tons of money on them. But I will still push my model to Frank. No matter what the O/S is the model still works good for me.

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Quote from cc: I can say that we should be in 25% of the markets by the 1st of the year and an additional 10% by March. Our target goal is 55% of the markets. Because as you know gay television is not accepted in all markets. We would also like to be in 2 or 3 foreign countries as well.

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I assume that I will never get Q in my neighborhood then. I think my area falls that not accepted market. - Bible belt -

But maybe it will get on Direct TV or Dish Network though. Pretty large audience. That has to mean a major Cable Network if 25% first of the year (maybe TW) then 10% more by March (maybe Comcast).

This sounds like great news and huge benefits to Q.

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Penny!! I keep saying to everyone I talk to, "It's going to be a long winter!!"

I should be seeing hockey right now, especially ordering Direct TV just for NHL Center Ice! Dammit.

I wish they would just agree on something, this is ridiculas. What is sad is that they said, they are losing less money by not playing. WTF!


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Frank knows. We won't be famous but we'll be rich! Yeah baby.

Coy: What exactly am I investing in and hows is it going to help me become rich and famous…

Frank Olsen: I don’t know if you’re going to be famous but I’ll answer the question real fast.

Don't listen to the ones that worry or are negative. QBID is moving forward.


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Lets see here. 55% of market. Lets use 55% of US population because I think it will compair fairly close. Actually possibly higher because rural areas are in the big no market area but still.

55% of US population (281,421,906 from 2000 censis) = 154,782,048

10% population target (leaving out 3% that have experimented) = 15,478,205

So 15.5 milllion target audience

From Gay/lesbian website: avg. income of GLBT community is $60,000.00 a year. Thats 930 Billion income. Now thats not disposable income mind you, its actually gross income. but using 55% of previous given disposable income its 330 Billion Disposable. I would settle for one percent of that or 3 Billion advertising dollars.

15.5 million target. If we get 1/2 to sign up in 5 years, that thats 7.75 million. And using $4 as our part of subscription fees.

7.75 million X $4.00 X 12 months= 372 million a year

Thats just subscription fees using conservative numbers.

So final summation:

370 Million a year from Subs
3 Billion a year from Advertising

All a guess but this puts us close to that 5 Billion company Frank talks about. Market Cap always a little more then revenue.

Ric

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