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I've been following this site for quite some time now and have concluded that if there is to be any Millionaires made on these sub-penny's, the good people on this site deserve it. I hope you make it. I am just starting out and have six hundred dollars to start with, which stocks would you start with? Thank you.
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Hi lumik, I am new to this too.
I have a thousand dollars to start with, I would like to ask the same question too.
Lumik, which web broker do you use? Ameritrade?

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If I were you:

Right now,

250 into cmkx at either .0003/.0002 so you would have either 750k or 1.25 million shares.

Then,

180 into Qbid at .006 for 30k shares. This is a great starting point with Qbid

You still have 170, so lets say 10 dollars a trade, you now have 150, less 10 for trade so 140.

hmmmmmmm....

May I suggest buying 140 dollars worth of The New Iraqi Dinar? That will get you like 100k-125k Dinars... If the dinar climbs to a penny, that is worth 10k-12.5k American dollars... not to shabby... The Libyan 'dollar' trades at .07 to our dollar. Libya has some Natural Gas and Oil reserves but is still kind of off limits. Compare Libya to Iraq where their dinar against our dollar is .0006* versus Libya at .07 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm right????????

Hope that helps...

-John


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I use AmeritradeCanada,but from what I hear and see it might not be the best considering I will be in the pennies, however got to start some where. I see already the people on this site are helping, I don't think you'll find a better group of people.
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Thanks for the suggestion, I will look into it. Thanks!
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Hey, may I ask how you buy Iraqi Dinars? Seems like a good lottery ticket to me.

-Mike


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Thanks for the fast reply, where would I go to purchase the dinar's???? Thanks
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Look into MLON. It's a huge bargain right now. They just announced today that they plan on being a fully reporting company within 30 days. Here is the link to that thread...
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/Forum8/HTML/007965.html

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Hey Garfield, did you do the whole paper trade deal too? I just now after a year or so of paper trading got confident enough to give the real world a whirl.Hope now to make my million and maybe even be able to help out on this board. The guys and gals here are fantastic.
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You can buy dinars on ebay. That is the best place to find them for the cheapest.


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You can also join the Air Force, deploy to Iraq and buy them from the locals like I did. lol...
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Enlisting might be hard to do considering my age and nationality...

Garfield, are you still there?


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JB. Thanks for the layout and it looks like it will make money, my problem is AmeritradeCanada won't accept CMKX,I am told that there are quite a few of the pennies that aren't accepted. Know anymore that will make me rich. Thanks
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I would stay away from cmkx right now... it is mostly a lotery ticket at this point. IMHO.
As far as qbid goes, well who knows... it may rise in price, I do find it unlikely however. I think it is a big risk to invest in the stock right now... if you feel the need... just get in and out. On open, and I would say try to stick to that open part, if they drop a minumum of 15-25% I would consider buying. At that point I would watch it like a hawk and get out. Fast. If you can make your 10-15% get out asap. It is just my opinion, but that company has already failed twice and seems to be on the verge of another failure. People are taking notice as well, hence the big drop off in pps. Again this is just my opinion.
If I were going to suggest a more sound investment I would check out tfct. They currecntly have three or 4 companies under their belt. They claim to be valued at around 20 million already. When they put out their next quearter financials it should move up past 15-20 cents. Also they have already had a deal with washington regarding one of their other products. If I were you I would go to their site and check out all the companies they have, go to every link. Also on this board I posted some links to them around pages 12-18 I think.
I would also keep an eye on gzfx. There seems to be some good plays in that recently.

Overall I would tell you to go to barcharts . com and check out the 52 week highs. Go to the ones with the highest volume, and check out the charts. if they look good, and the volum is good you might find some decent plays there.
One thing to remember is never chase a stock up, and never never never jump on any stock thinking you will miss an opportunity of a life time. Those opportunities happen every single day here in penny land. Good luck...


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quote:
Originally posted by lumik:
JB. Thanks for the layout and it looks like it will make money, my problem is AmeritradeCanada won't accept CMKX,I am told that there are quite a few of the pennies that aren't accepted. Know anymore that will make me rich. Thanks

I use Ameritrade Canada as well. Compared to what those A--holes at TD Sh-thouse used to charge I think AMC is great.They will let you trade subpennys on the OTC with no problem but no pink sheet stocks. Come to think about it they are probably doing us a favor.

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People on this board have been talking about
ACSH .0023 up 28% today. Could try to get in at .0020 June '03 was .05 dropped and then rose and in Mar '04 was .06 (3,000% above .002) They have a line of debit cards and on July 6th entered into an agreement with Universal Express for national distribution of the ACS Ultima card. Universal Express has access to 45,000 retailers. ACS Holding (American CArd Services) has now had its shares unlisted from the Berlin Stock Exchange which is known for its unsavory use of listing stocks on its exchange with out notifying the companies and then engaging in naked short selling of the stocks. If the stock went back up to .02, that would be a 1,000% increase. If it went back to .03 or higher it would be a +3,000% increase.

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quote:
Originally posted by lumik:
Hey Garfield, did you do the whole paper trade deal too? I just now after a year or so of paper trading got confident enough to give the real world a whirl.Hope now to make my million and maybe even be able to help out on this board. The guys and gals here are fantastic.


Sorry for the late reply. I only do trading online. I have an TD Waterhouse account since 2002. I am planning to get an AmeritradeCanada account. How long does it take the application to process? I am annoyed by the $29 transaction by TD Waterhouse.


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Hi Garfield, I'll give you my e-mail address. I don't want to eat up these guys time reading our talk. Give me a shout.

lumik93@hotmail.com


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FSIJ .0013/.0014

Food Safe International Inc (FSIJ http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FSIJ.PK

All your trades dont get gready w
whats goes up goes down again

Whatever you buy - sell for profit -
Buy something at its low = and sell for profit

Before long your money will multiple.

Also MAY-JULY worst months for trading
penny stocks - try to stay away

JAN - when most stocks run = sell when
it runs in JAN

gl
bingo


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Hello ...
if you are looking into a medium trem invest. try looking at KGTH.ob from what i hear the remaining shares have een bought by an investment firm at 35c 50c and 60c so you know they will are not likely to part with them under that... also i little bird told me that their earnings should be out soon and are to be through the roof. just a tip watch it if you like it have been trading sidways for some time mainly due to the fact that nobody knows about it.. stock has been trading less that 6 months so it is parctically a start up company. do you on d d
good luck sarkai

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Some of the above posts have provided you with the basics. Have you read through the threads for all of the sub-penny stocks on this forum? I have found a few stocks through reading posts, and then doing my own dd. Often there are some great guys and great tips here, but keep in mind that you don't really know anybody on the web. Some members are respectful of others and consistent in writing style and attitude. Others stay on the site 24/7, morph and keep mindless arguments alive. Try to remember the personalilty of the members as they post on the different threads--in other words, when Mr. Negative gets nice--beware.
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Another stock that is being discussed here and on the Raging Bull site is BICO .085 Some Chinese investors just bought 10 million convertible preferred shares at $1 a share, covertible to regular shares in one year. They wouldn't have paid $1/share unless they thought that the price will be over that amount in a year.
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Price was +.50 in February and then had a steady decline to the 8 to 9 cent range. It looks like the Chinese investors think that the price will not only go up and pass the 50 cent price, but will go above $1 in a years time. If they want to commit 10 million dollars to BICO, I'm willing to commit $10, maybe even more than that.
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The people over at the Raging Bull also like BICO:
Buy opportunity if I ever saw one! Already got my many shares of BICO but can not understand why the selling action. Oh Well -
I am very comfortable with BICO. The Chinese wanting to invest is a MAJOR plus here. They would not put their money into something they where not very sure of. Even if you look at it from a "if they want to do it, maybe I should too" perspective, stock is worth more.
OK, so BICO goes to 13 mil revenue as will be announced in the earnings. - Stock drops

We get 10 mill investment cash - Stock drops

Doesn't make sense.

In 45 days we get the yen check - then we start closing on China deals. You can bet Armand is going to close as many of those as he can before Sept 30 to get them on the 4th full quarter.

AMEX and Nasdaq next year. Worse case - I have to wait 2 years to retire instead on one. Bummer ;-)

Long term - this is the one - I can wait so don't really care too much about current price. Just wish I had waited so I could buy many more shares at this price.
........... 5 mil block at .0869 What's up?
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GOOD NEWS for BICO getting that purchase of a 5 mil block. It was above the ask because only way buyer could accumulate that many all at once. Its encouraging having a big hitter take such a large position. We now need the market makers to cooperate by moving the bid/ask up.

By the way, 5,000,000 shares x .0869 =
$434,500


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Thank you for all the advice, I ended up with:
LSTA,150,000@.0003
TSBB,60,250@ .0034
DFRC,50,000@ .0011
DRKD,13000@ .006
ENDE, 2100@ .08

Do you think these are worth holding for a while?How long? Could you please give me your thoughts on all these, thank you.


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quote:
Originally posted by lumik:
Thank you for all the advice, I ended up with:
LSTA,150,000@.0003
TSBB,60,250@ .0034
DFRC,50,000@ .0011
DRKD,13000@ .006
ENDE, 2100@ .08

Do you think these are worth holding for a while?How long? Could you please give me your thoughts on all these, thank you.


Lumik- This may have been overlooked and you may already know this, but ALWAYS use limit orders when buying and selling.


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KBPKT. Thank you for that most valuable piece of info,as a rookie I can use any advice,you are one of the people I refer to when stating how wonderful and helpful the guy's & gal's on this site are.If you compare some of the expensive stockpick newsletters that require a credit card and this site,you'll take this site anytime!!! As I value your perspective what is your view on my stockpick?
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quote:
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KBPKT. Thank you for that most valuable piece of info,as a rookie I can use any advice,you are one of the people I refer to when stating how wonderful and helpful the guy's & gal's on this site are.If you compare some of the expensive stockpick newsletters that require a credit card and this site,you'll take this site anytime!!! As I value your perspective what is your view on my stockpick?

The only one of those I played was TSBB, and I got my a$$ kicked on it. I lost 50%, but I bought at a much higher level than you did. I think you got in at a good level. I don't see it going much lower than what you paid for it. I would have loved to have bought in at that level. IMO that was a good play. When I bought in, I broke my own rule about buying a stock while its running. As far as the others, I have not played any of them. Right now, I have a good chunk of money in MLON. They have been announcing numerous deals in the last few months, and announced yesterday that they plan on reporting financials in 30 days. They also have $0 debt, which is incredible for a pinky. You should check out the thread on here about it for some good DD. I'm also using a nice chunk of money to daytrade QBID right now. There has been some good opportunities for a quick in and out profit. I do not recommend buying that long term. I'm glad to see you didn't. The idea is good and the timing is right, I just don't think they can pull it off. I also would not recommend trying to daytrade when your first starting out. Just remember to be careful when playing pinks. They can be cruel. Most people don't make money on them because they buy at subpenny levels and make up their minds that they won't sell until it hits $1, which usually won't happen. If you own a stock before a run and make some good money on it, TAKE SOME PROFITS. Stocks always retrace and fill in gaps. Don't be the guy who makes 100% in day and doesn't sell because you think you can make 200%, because it usually won't happen. If anything, it will most likely retrace and go back down and you will loose out on profits. Sell for at least your initial investment and ride on free shares. Most of all, do your own DD (due diligence) and double check on anything you read on a message board. There are lots of smoke and mirrors in stocks. A couple sites I like to use for research are...
www.pinksheets.com (official pink sheet stock site)
www.stockcharts.com (good for charts and TA)

And I like to use yahoo as well. I could go on forever, but I think you get the jist of it. Good luck in you trading endevours.


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KBPKT. What exactly is daytrading, I notice you have to open a special account for at least $25,000.00 I also have a Canadian stock called V.NAU I know this one personaly. It's a junior Gold Mining Co. that is just about ready to explode, I can tell you for a fact that in about ten days this stock will take off. If your interested in it I'll give you the details, I personaly know some of the management and some of the smaller things that are going to make it very profitable. Let me know, I can give you my e-mail, it's a little over the -.10 so I shouldn't say anything here, but I would like to let you know about it. Also as a rule of thumb, what is your idea for DD ?
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I just bought some GBMI today at .0004 - Might be worth a look..especially if you can get it lower than what I paid.

I noticed that someone mentioned always use limit orders..I'm wondering if Scottrade is different because I ALWAYS have to use limit orders for any stock under $1.

It's not using the All or None option when buying or selling that kills you, because your order can be broken up into multiple pieces, and you pay more commission.


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I've noticed quite a few refer to watching the mm's at work, where and how does one do this? Do you have to have a subscription to a special streamer or something along these lines? Thanks
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Called level 2's

Free delayed are here:
http://www.allstocks.com/level2quotesotcbb.html


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quote:
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I've noticed quite a few refer to watching the mm's at work, where and how does one do this? Do you have to have a subscription to a special streamer or something along these lines? Thanks

Daytrading is exactly like it sounds, you are in and out of trades in a matter of minutes to days. It just means that you make quick trades with no intention of holding long term. You don't need $25,000 to do it, but it helps. You can make up to 4 in and out trades in a 5 day rolling period and be ok, but the moment you make a 5th trade in that time span, your account will get closed down from trading for 90 days. If you have $25,000 in your account, you can go in and out of trades as many times as you want whenever you want. It takes away the 4 trades in 5 days rule. A good example of a daytrade I made today was this morning, I bought into QBID at open for .006 and held it all day until close, when I sold it for .007. Like I said, I don't have faith in the company to hold that stock long term, so I was in and out in 1 day. Daytrading, is repeating that pattern, but sometimes you are in and out in a matter of minutes or seconds.
MM's (Market Makers) are kind of like Specialists on the NYSE. They create a liquid market by processing buy and sell orders. MM's are what the NASDAQ and OTCC/Pinks have to make the market flow. They keep an inventory of stock by buying and selling to you when there is not another buyer or seller out there. By using limit orders, you are buying and selling on your terms, not theirs. They don't have to take your order if it is a limit order, but they can. If you enter a market order, they have to take it, but it will be on their terms and you will be losing something on it. There are lots of theories about corruption, some of which have been proven and the MM's fined and prosecuted for corrupt practices. Bottom line is that they are out there to make money at yours and my expense, and if they can get away with cheating us, they will. Read about the recent activities of the MM Knight Trading (NITE). They have gotten in some trouble lately. I could go on forever. If you want to see what they are offering buys/sells at, subscribe to a L2 service like www.alphatrade.com to see where the buys and sells sit at. Or, if you goto www.pinksheets.com you can see free L2's, but its not as good as a streaming service like alphatrade.
I would be interested to hear about that company you were speaking of, you can either post it here, start a new thread for it, or e-mail me at kb09pkt at aol. (I took out the @aol.com so I won't get spammed) Hope that helped.


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KB09PKT. I have sent an e-mail to the address that you supplied but it has came back.If you want the info we talked about you'll have to rectify the problem.
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quote:
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KB09PKT. I have sent an e-mail to the address that you supplied but it has came back.If you want the info we talked about you'll have to rectify the problem.

kb(number 0, not letter)pkt at aol. It should have worked.


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KBPKT. kb09pk. correct?

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KBPKT. Sorry.

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