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JBCak47
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How could there be more 'buys' then 'sells' or vice versa when if someone 'bought' shares someone else had to 'sell' them. Hence 1 trade= 1 buy & 1 sell. How could there be more buys? Is this then naked shorting since if it is all buys and less sells the naked shorts are the difference? Hence why they are made up out of 'air'?

I am a little unsure STILL of the naked shorting... lol...

PS. I bought 400k shares of CMKX on Friday. I now have 1.2+ million Let's see where this goes!?!?

-John


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And for all of you who think Mr.Roger THE BIG GUN Glenn was hired to get Mr.Casavant out of legal trouble.That law firm has a dept.just for that and Mr.Glenn is not in that dept.LONG$STRONG
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Great read in these posts here. Upside, nice post, I find it interesting. We need DD from all sides, even negative. What you wrote could really be what's happening. I hope it is not the case, but I will keep all my shares and see what happens. I am not sure what we as share holders can do to not get scammed if that's the case.

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Upside,

That post was FANTASTIC!! Nice to see someone posting the ALL the possibilities...and in such an eloquent manner.

Sad to see "basher" and "shut up" from others. Good to see Debi (and I expected that) Chiman (willing to consider all points) and Will (much to my surprise) give you deserved credit.

Hell, maybe all those hundreds of anomalies are just hundreds of rabbits with key chains on their feet running around all that acreage. LOL


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JBCak-John, You really need to understand naked shorting if you invest in OTC stocks. It is a fact and there are good links to some audio tapes on emunahstock's post and the same by emunahstock are on a seperate thread on naked shorting and well worth listening to. Basically the SEC allows the DTC to store certificates and make electronic shares that are easily traded. When they sell they should balance against available shares. But they often don't and unscrupulous people will continue to sell and sell an endless number of shares (with 500 Billion authorized and a share price of .0001 why bother counting?)believing the company will go out of business and they can just pocket the money themselves. It is almost like the plot in a lot of TV shows where someone sells percentages in their business 50% to Joe and 30% to Benny, and 20% to Fred and 20% to Ned, and 30% to Ted.....so 300% of the business is sold. With CMKX the number of tradable shares is a much lower percentage than what is outstanding. And both are lower than what is Authorized. The only way CMKX's hare price being stuck at .0004 bid and .0005 makes sense to me is that the Market Maker's are sitting on the price. There are only a couple of reasons they would do this. One is they want to accumulate for a run. That is possible but unlikely given the number of authorized shares. The other is that they are naked short and if the price goes up their price to cover dramatically raises.

Cost to cover 1 Billion naked short shares
at: .0004 = $400,000
.01 = $10,000,000
.10 = $100,000,000

Now add a zero
Cost to cover 10 Billion naked short shares
at: .0004 = $4,000,000
.01 = $100,000,000
.10 = $1,000,000,000

Now add another zero as some MM's or their clients are said to be naked short hundreds of billions of shares.

Cost to cover 100 Billion naked short shares
at: .0004 = $40,000,000
.01 = $1,000,000,000
.10 = $10,000,000,000

With the law firm IF they have a winnable case there could be awards of triple damages in court. If they have a plan that will award us a cash dividend and get them to cover it would give the company cash to use for mining, great surplus, increased shareholder value, would reward UC, Melvin and the rest who are shareholders and us. A .01 dividend would be nice. A larger one even better. I do think that the company has indicated to us it is in the process of becoming a reporting company. As far as firing the new transfer agent goes-if there was just cause-and it looks like there may have been then we did the right thing. UC has the majority of stock in his own personal name. It benefits him for this company to be successful. He knows the plan but I believe as a majority shareholder he stands to benefit more from the increased value in this stock than he would from taking the .0001 percentage profits from any scam. This is my opinion. I think we know the mineral rights are real and have value. I think we know that the lw firm is good even if we don't all agree how good. THe lawyer is excellent and has helped write some special laws dealing with taking a public company private. This is worth noting but until we get a PR from the company nothing is official. I just want to add that anyone who did a modicom of DD before they bought this stock knew the share count was undisclosed. Should have also known it wasn't going to be revealed until the company thought it was ready to be revealed. OK-You are UC and you own at least 600+ Million shares of this stock not counting any shares you may have purchased since you stopped reporting. Now there are some shareholders with 200,000 shares or 2 million or 20 million shares jumping up and down and clamoring to know the share count and naked share count and other undisclosed information that are part of your manuever. Do you cave because they are unhappy and have some shares or do you stay on track knowing that what adds value to your shares as the big kahuna shareholder will ultimately be good for them too? I am long on this stock, (maybe a little short on patience) but willing to wait it out and hope for the best. There are major big bucks on the finish line for whoever is left standing. I do think it is a war. I don't want to be a casualty. I am believing the way I do because the MM's are guarding the share price like their firstborn son is on the line. Think about their behavior too. It is easy to look at the company and say give us the share count. What about the MM's? What are they doing? What is their behavior on this stock? Does it look to you like a freely trading stock? DO you trust them to look after your interests? I don't.
GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi


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Tomorrow, folks, is the 4th of July, otherwise known as Independence Day. As a result, we were all given certain inalienable "Rights". That includes the right to voice one's opinion (aka free speech).

I am a Veteran who got shot at to protect those rights...including those of people who want to tell others to shut up, get off the message board forum, basher, etc. I have searched my genealogy, and at least 7 of my ancestors fought in the American Revolution for those same rights. Doji, if you and others have a different venue, that is your right. That does not mean anyone should be gagged or denegrated because someone does not want to hear what may also be an honest opinion. Some of you even went to the point of emailing Allstocks to try to get me removed from this forum for voicing my opinion. One, I definitely know. As to the other 2, I can make a very accurate obserbvation.

Email Allstocks, and I am willing to bet they will inform you they intended this to be a "forum". A forum is a public meeting place for open discussion...a medium for open discussion. Anyone question what "open discussion" means? A good example is a 2-way street. Be courteous and respectful enough to allow someone to pass in the opposite direction and remember, you may turn around at some time as well.

Have a safe and enjoyable 4th of July!

[This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited July 03, 2004).]


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quote:
Originally posted by JBCak47:

How could there be more 'buys' then 'sells' or vice versa when if someone 'bought' shares someone else had to 'sell' them. Hence 1 trade= 1 buy & 1 sell. How could there be more buys? Is this then naked shorting since if it is all buys and less sells the naked shorts are the difference? Hence why they are made up out of 'air'?

I am a little unsure STILL of the naked shorting... lol...

PS. I bought 400k shares of CMKX on Friday. I now have 1.2+ million Let's see where this goes!?!?

-John



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If I sell 100 shares and two people buy 50
shares each how does that compute?


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HI Wallace, I am going to do some DD on this post but I thought I would pst it here although I have not verified it to get the wheels turning. I am anxious to get this verified and thought many hands make light labor. GLTA-Debi
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Forgot the post I was so excited: Duh ebi!

Edited post since it appears to be untrue. Probably will be soon. -Debi

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Everyone's opinions are appreciated. There is a fine line, however, between voicing one's (negative) opinion about a stock and flat out bashing - and you, sir, have crossed that line over and over again. Sorry, but someone who keeps on hanging around saying CMKX is a "SCAM" in almost every posts (check the old thread for proof), while claiming he does not hold any shares, in my eyes is a basher. What motivation could you possible have, to do what you did, if you did not have any money invested in this company (besides trying to get the price down)? And now, suddenly, you're "Mr. nice guy" trying to gain popularity in this forum? How many personalities do you have and when will the old Wallace re-appear? Sorry, I don't trust you. Never have, never will!

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Hi Debi,

Would be glad to help in any way...what would you like me to do?

I did notice, however, that we have another friend (of a friend?) involved. Besides, I don't know how credible a woman could be. Just joking. LOL

Seriously, it might be interesting to find out if other brokers held up trading at that time. Without a definitive and accurate explanation by each that was identical (or even almost the same) it should not hold much weight.


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Money_Penny

Thank you for your kind respect and consideration of me and my opinions. Yes, I do think CMKX is a SCAM. That is my RIGHT!!

Have a wonderful 4th!


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Money_Penny-Wallace isn't a basher and he did have some shares but sold them after rethinking his purchase. I don't agree with his take on this stock but if we never hear a negative view we may miss something important. I am hoping this is as good as most of us think it is. Regular posters on these boards should be able to express contrary opinions. To deny that freedom is not financially healthy especially on a stock message board. However new posters coming in who start up with negative talk not based on verifiable evidence will be thought of as bashers by me until proven otherwise. The flip of that should be true also and in any stock. With CMKX there is a lot of excitement and the hype can be a little overwhelming sometimes. I am guilty of getting too excited about it most of the time. I think there is a lot to be excited about but hearing the other view point can halp keep us grounded. I would say this is a very postive board in general so hearing an occasional contrary voice is a good thing. Let's keep it pleasant and have fun.
IMO-DD Have a great Day all!!! Debi

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I am going to post the link to the whole thread of what I posted earlier. It may have some truth to it and we will know for sure if it does Tuesday morning. If anyone has any info to add from calls to their brokers please let us know. IMO-Debi
http://cmkx.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=general&num=1088879885&action=display&start=0

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A link to sterlings post that the certified letter the transfer agent received from Global was a fake. Interesting-Cannot wait the movie version!! -Debi

about the 400 bill O/S claim ....
http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=34697



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Wallace - It's your constitutional right to say whatever you want to say, and it is mine to ignore it! Tell me one thing, I am curious: If you think this is a scam....then WHY ARE YOU HERE?

Anyway, I don't feel like arguing anymore and I will go outside and catch some sun before the rain comes marching in. Everybody (you too Wallace) have a pleasant and SAFE 4th of July!!!

Hopefully we can proof Wallace wrong next week!!!


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If a tree falls in the forest will anyone hear it? I like this post and think it is worth sharing. I can't believe people have something better to do on a Saturday Summer afternoon than sit in front of their computer! Hope y'all are having fun. I am leaving in a while for a date with my tall, dark and handsome husband. (He really is).
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By: stervc
03 Jul 2004, 02:14 PM EDT
Msg. 34693 of 34708
(This msg. is a reply to 34668 by Manti.)
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Manti, Only a thought, but...

I see room where many things could have been released that were not which would have made the price go up in price for Urban to dump at much higher prices if these were his intentions.

If you were Urban and your goals were to really dump shares at these levels, wouldn't you had already put out all types of hype and pumping PRs to allow for you to dump at much higher prices? Wouldn't you had already issued out all of the 500 billion shares and reverse split this by now to start the process of diluting all over again? None of these negative things have happen and is never going to happen in my opinion.

I personally believe that Urban is not currently dumping shares. He might have dumped some shares a long time ago as is the norm for any company that trades on the market to raise capital when needed to jumpstart their business.

I trust the ethics of Urban and Roger Glenn in that they are putting CMKX in an official position to make all of us prosperous! I believe we are in good hands! Hang tough!



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REPOST:

Posted by: zeninvestor32
In reply to: None Date:7/3/2004 4:31:16 PM
Post #of 44849

A FUN POSSIBILITY.

I've actually been a silent proponent of having a halt issued on trading overall anyway until the O/S is properly released. This would IMO prevent further shorting and manipulation. Now, if any of the major brokerages actually do suspend trading on CMKX (all still rumor IMO), this could in effect force the company to issue a halt on trading because the market would not be even-handed considering some could buy and/or sell and others couldn't. If this happened, IMO this would give Urban and Roger the time to properly execute their plan. I don't think we're far away from getting the O/S share count. I'd personally rather see it halted and that number released a week later than to see the continue garbage that we're seeing happen. A halt would until share count is released would mean the shorts are basically dead. Any other news items or bashing would be irrelevant as all would be known once the share count was released and the halt lifted. I'm tellin' ya. This could be history.

Wouldn't it be ironic if all the shorts' efforts to sabotage the TA backfired into a halt until the O/S was released. LOL Stock could re-open at 5 cents. Who knows. LOL

Man I need more popcorn!!!! LOL

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

Z
As always, these are my personal opinions.
Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.

SOURCE: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3481970

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JUST ANOTHER RUMOR, WILL SEE ON TUESDAY IF TURNS OUT TO BE CORRECT (I WILL CHECK MY WATERHOUSE TRADING ACCOUNT - IT BLOCKS IT IMMEDIATELY). HAPPY 4TH....

By: pedro20040
03 Jul 2004, 04:11 PM EDT
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(This msg. is a reply to 354784 by chrisl582005.)
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Chris

Ameritrade has put a hold on CMKX.
No one can buy, only sell.

Ameritrade has suspended all CMKX trades until Tuesday morning, pending further information has been received.

SOURCE: http://www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKX&read=354807


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By: Axeman
03 Jul 2004, 03:13 PM EDT
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CHECK IT OUT! Ameritrade NOT TRADING CMKX until OS is confirmed! Just spoke to rep a few minutes ago. Call 1-800-454-9272. They are not allowing CMKX to trade until CMKX OS(valuation) announcement Tuesday Morning!!! AH YA! OS might be PR'd Tuesday morning.

SOURCE: http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB00412&read=418462

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Doing some DDs.

So then I found this:

Posted by: MACH4U
In reply to: None Date:7/3/2004 4:03:10 PM
Post #of 44852

I just talked to an Ameritrade service rep. She told me that my CMKX are in good standing and she shows no halt in trading. I asked here if they ever halt trading while waiting for a share count. She said not to her knowledge.

Source: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3481871

This is really fun - rumor after rumor and none from the company yet.


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quote:
Originally posted by TradingWizard:
By: Axeman
03 Jul 2004, 03:13 PM EDT
Msg. 418462 of 418471
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CHECK IT OUT! Ameritrade NOT TRADING CMKX until OS is confirmed! Just spoke to rep a few minutes ago. Call 1-800-454-9272. They are not allowing CMKX to trade until CMKX OS(valuation) announcement Tuesday Morning!!! AH YA! OS might be PR'd Tuesday morning.

SOURCE: http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB00412&read=418462

And you believe this stupid rumor........
Have you see how many trillions of shares are traded all days ?????
The enormous CMKX O/S will hold pps low....
Its so easy to understand like A + B so please stop your ridiculous posts.


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I also spoke with E-Trade (Renn Buck) at 1-800-387-2331. He states that according to the records of E-Trade there is no halt in trading of CMKX and orders are being accepted for trading on market opening Tuesday. The last PR that they have on record is the change of transfer agent to Pacific and they are showing Pacific as the official TA of CMKX. Guess we have to wait for a "real" PR from CMKX, sound like a lot of folks want to bring Urban and company down.Got in at 0.0001 with 5 mil strong and holding.
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Richnessforeveryone managed to divert a number of brain cells to collect words used to express this pile of garbage:

"Have you see how many trillions of shares are traded all days "

Ummmmm, 'all days'... I mean I know he is foreign and all but come on, you don't make any sense in some posts, then in others.

Can you understand this Euro-trash:

tree hang youself from a you should. almost like Yoda, lol..

Lol The dutch...

-John


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If you go back to the first link on the thread with the post it is to the unofficial CMKX board. The first person who was told this was told by and individual. As you read down the thread there were some good explanations of why this isn't showing up yet. It may be true and as we all know: It isn't official until we hear it from the company. I think if this were halted it would be to give the everyone a chance to digest the news and the share count and what it all means. It could mean new name, merger, buyout, dividend, spinoff, or any assortment of these. Depending on the short situation the company my negotiate one share price for covering. We would be wise to let the company handle a set price. We wouldn't be tripping over ourselves to sell at .0024 if the company states the value and says .10 is the starting price and to hold tight because that is the floor and the elevator is going up. We will see for sure on Tuesday AM if this is true. And keithsan if you are around-how do you get out of jury duty due to a running stock? IMO, Thanks and God Bless America and help her to be great in your eyes. -Debi
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Here is the link and explanation

I am going to post the link to the whole thread of what I posted earlier. It may have some truth to it and we will know for sure if it does Tuesday morning. If anyone has any info to add from calls to their brokers please let us know. IMO-Debi http://cmkx.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=general&num=1088879885&action=display&start=0

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Clearing Restrictions
Scottrade has set restrictions on the following securities due to clearing restrictions:


No Buys/Sells Only / No Buys & No Sells


CMKX / PAYD
.AIUN / DTSNV
.IPLUN / JGMHA
INOV#
TRZA#
MSMC#
IVCO
VXEN
UGMI
SOYOE
GMZC
.AFPUN
GWDL

No Buys/Sells Only - You cannot place buy orders on this security. Only sell orders can be placed.

No Buys & No Sells - You cannot place either buy or sell orders on this security.

**Symbols with the "#" after the symbol cannot be traded online. Please contact your local branch for assistance

this was on my Scottstrade and was posted when the agent changed.

Coach


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Naked shorts and the buying of newly issued are both registered as buys.

You cannot tell the difference. You are back to square one not knowing if it is NS or new issues being bought.


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I found this to be very interesting http://www.thelion.com/bin/forum.cgi?msg=96&sf=cmkx&cmd=read
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Happy birthday U.S.A.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And good late Boxing Day to ya Canadians aye.

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Here is a very good article of a third party's research on valuating mining stocks of junior companies. A very good read from Palo(diamond hunter) on the cmkx unofficial msg. board.
http://www.kaiserbottomfish.com/s/Educational.asp?ReportID=71104

Very nice read,
Happy 4th
Coach
"SemperFi"

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quote:
Originally posted by JBCak47:

Richnessforeveryone managed to divert a number of brain cells to collect words used to express this pile of garbage:

"Have you see how many trillions of shares are traded all days "

Ummmmm, 'all days'... I mean I know he is foreign and all but come on, you don't make any sense in some posts, then in others.

Can you understand this Euro-trash:

tree hang youself from a you should. almost like Yoda, lol..

Lol The dutch...

-John


John......you clearly understand what I mean.......

Happy Independance day to all the US citizens


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Could the restrictions, if they exist, be due
to the fact that we do not have a transfer
agent as of 2:15PM this past Friday?

Pacific Transfer is no longer working for
CMKM.

I use Ameritrade... tried giving them a call
but they are closed for the holiday.


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quote:
Originally posted by COACHPHILM63:
Clearing Restrictions
Scottrade has set restrictions on the following securities due to clearing restrictions:


No Buys/Sells Only / No Buys & No Sells


CMKX / PAYD
.AIUN / DTSNV
.IPLUN / JGMHA
INOV#
TRZA#
MSMC#
IVCO
VXEN
UGMI
SOYOE
GMZC
.AFPUN
GWDL

No Buys/Sells Only - You cannot place buy orders on this security. Only sell orders can be placed.

No Buys & No Sells - You cannot place either buy or sell orders on this security.

**Symbols with the "#" after the symbol cannot be traded online. Please contact your local branch for assistance

this was on my Scottstrade and was posted when the agent changed.

Coach


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[This message has been edited by COACHPHILM63 (edited July 04, 2004).]


Coach this means nothing because Scottrade has been sell only CMKX for a LONG time... you would have to be with a broker that has been trading CMKX to know for sure if trading was halted.


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